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About Joe from United Kingdom: From the uk and been a Lamb ever since I can remember.

Re. James (Twiggy) (40,626) by Joe from United Kingdom I get exactly what you mean. In my life I've only come across probably two people who said they were fans. People used to tell me I was a big fan of Mariah before I even knew I was myself. Then as I got older I kinda just embraced it and now I consider myself a hardcore lamb. When I tell people I like her it's usually met with eye roll's or a negative response. It might be her media image over here, I don't know. I think this is a good place though to talk and socialize with fellow lambs from the UK and across the globe. I hope you enjoy it here. (Saturday 18 January 2014; 4:08)

All the dramatics (40,603) by Joe from United Kingdom No offence to anybody, but I only started posting messages here like half a year ago, but I've been visiting the message board abit longer. It seems things have changed alot in the last few months. There have always been heavy/heated debates, but now it's just like catty remarks towards eachother back and forth for no reason. I'm not some hippy looking for peace, but we are all Mariah fans. If we were not, would we be here making a statement of our own opinions? Some people make criticism, some people don't. It's really not a big deal. (Thursday 16 January 2014; 23:54)

Re Lee / performances (40,121) by Joe from United Kingdom I have to agree with you on most of what you said, especially the part about later added in whistles or high note back tracks. I'll always support Mariah, but there are times in her live performances where these super high whistles will just make an appearance out of nowhere in a performance and I honestly just think so I wonder when you recorded that one because I have a hard time believing it's live. Whistles alone are not going to save a performance, especially if you're not actually doing them. I am not trying to be really critical, it's just I know Mariah still has a great voice left in her and every [...] she does shows that, but I wish she played to her strengths more when performing live. Leave all the back tracks, 3 takes put together peformances behind. Just you and a piano and arrange how you're going to sing the song in a live setting. She can put a different spin on any of her songs yet still sound great. Just a more relaxed setting rather then be at the mic stand trying or pretending to hit every note. In recent times she's shown she still got it, although it has changed quite abit it's still there. Just my thought. (Sunday 8 December 2013; 21:16)

If I'm being honest (40,102) by Joe from United Kingdom I actually prefered her Rockefeller Christmas performances from last year. Dubbed or not, her voice sounded alot fuller IMO. Now onto the tree lighting ceremony. I read the comments here first, thinking well it can't be that bad, untill I actually watched it. I know she has bad vocal moments, but this was something else. When she went to sing the high note, you and I just felt sad for her. I don't really need to go on explaining what might have been or is wrong with her voice now or in this performance, but I hope better performances are going to come. Mariah's voice is unpredictable when it comes to vocals. Very up and down. I think the only way is up from here to be honest. Hopefully. (Sunday 8 December 2013; 1:41)

TAOLG, Jimmy Fallon suprise (39,878) by Joe from United Kingdom I have to admit when i first heard TAOLG, I was quite dissapointed, maybe because I was expecting something else. I felt that something was missing, like more of a beat in the verses just to pick up the tempo, because by the time the song picked up towards the end, it was pretty much over. I also felt like the lyrics could of been better, but I thought I'd give it a week and wait to see if it grew on me and it actually has the more I've listened to it. I really like it now, it's not a song that I'll have on repeat, but I still like it. Now onto something that I have repeated to many times to mention. I enjoyed the Jimmy Fallon suprise and then to top it off with that impromptu performance, all I can say is wow, even I was suprised but how good she sounded. It's not like I doubted her because weirdly in recent times I've actually started to prefer her improvisational moments like in Australia, but this just took it to another level for me. Even the haters are finding it real hard to dig deep to find something negative to say. It's about time. (Sunday 17 November 2013; 18:49)

Just saying (39,543) by Joe from United Kingdom I just wanted to say in one of my previous post I was actually in agreement with what Joyce said. I sometimes think things can come across differently from how they're meant to. I'll look back at something I posted and be like hold up, wait a minute that's not what I meant. Lol. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 21:52)

11/11 The Art Of Letting Go (39,540) by Joe from United Kingdom In other news, I'm really looking forward to hearing the new song. I'm curious as to wether it's a ballad or not. It seems like it would be considering how Mariah described it, but you'll never know. The wait is not much longer now. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 14:49)

Re Stacey (39,539) by Joe from United Kingdom Oh, I didn't realise it was you who said it lol. I completely agree with what you said and what you're saying. I just find it over the top when people (not you) have to become so defensive when you know the truth and you're just stating it, that's all. It's not a big deal anyway. Peace. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 14:13)

Live vs lipped (39,535) by Joe from United Kingdom Nobody shoot me, but the one thing Joyce said about people (even lambs) always debating wether her this or that is completely lipped or completely live baffles me aswell. As a lamb once you've seen literally every performance you should find it easy to tell. She rarely does lip sync a whole performance, BET Awards not included. It's usually a mix of both live and lipped, like her live/dubbed/lipped showing at American Idol. I hate to sound like I'm bashing her or bringing up the voice debate again, because I'm not. I'm just being realistic, but I can remember someone on here before metioned that a certain Grammy's performance wasn't fully live and everybody jumped to say "How could you? What are you talking about? You're not a real lamb.".Obviously that's an exaggeration, but it's abit annoying when people get so defensive and all you're doing is being realistic. If you want to believe in make believe, that is up to you. I apologise if you're offended by what is called reality. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 23:21)

Carried away (39,451) by Joe from United Kingdom As I've said before, some fans can get abit carried away. There's kind of a line between fan and talking like you are related to or work for Mariah. It's not even really the talk of the injury that baffles me, it's the fact that it's said like you are part of her work team. I understand saying you think something, but it's written like you know exactly what her every next move is. This is not the first time and it won't be the last. (Saturday 12 October 2013; 22:45)

New faces (39,429) by Joe from United Kingdom I've noticed a lot of new faces on the message board of late. It wasn't that long ago that I was new here myself. I just wanted to say hi, welcome to the message board, feel free to air your thoughts and opinions whenever. (Thursday 10 October 2013; 13:13)

"Hero" and "All I want for Christmas" (39,405) by Joe from United Kingdom Those were the two signature songs I was refering to in my previous post. Why that was dotted out is beyond me. (Saturday 5 October 2013; 12:23)

Signature song and influence (39,403) by Joe from United Kingdom I kinda have to agree that [...] is [...] signature song. I mean, seriously all people have to hear is the first couple notes from the piano in the beginning and people know what song it's gonna be before she even sings one lyric. I do think the same could be said for [...] aswell though because that song will live for every Christmas that comes by so it's definitely out of those two for sure. I think it's amazing that songs she wrote nearly 20 years ago can still stand the test of time thats what sets her apart from the other diva's in my opinion because she has actually written or co-written nearly all her classics. I notice alot of the public (non-fans) tend to look down upon her or act as if she is not relevant at all when in fact most who have came after her were in some way influenced by her. I mean, there are young female singers out now who have basically tried to replicate her whole vocal style. No names shall be mentioned. Lol. (Saturday 5 October 2013; 1:48)

JD as new manager (39,394) by Joe from United Kingdom I hope this news of JD managing Mariah is not true. When Randy was her manager, I felt the same way. I just didn't get it. I'm slowly losing faith in this era in terms of it actually being a success. I'm trying not to, but I feel like #Beautiful was her moment and she should of grabbed it. I'll always look forward to and await new music, wether it be a success or not, but unless she can find a producer who can create something fresh sounding but still appealing to her older long term fans, I don't really see a huge success happening. Sorry. I may be proven wrong though hopefully. I just don't see the same type of hip hop collaborations or "We belong together part 13" really doing it. It's been done already, people want a suprise, she doesn't have to start following trends, but just for her to reach out of her comfort zone abit that's all. (Thursday 3 October 2013; 20:57)

Momentum/Promotion (39,378) by Joe from United Kingdom I am definitely looking forward to Mariah's new album, wether it be hip hop infused tracks or not, just not way to much and she does'nt end up being a feature on her own songs. One thing that has been on my mind though is the fact that I can't help but feel like this album/era has lost quite a lot of momentum. How many times have we heard the new era begins on so and so then it gets off to a start and then stops again? I could understand with Triumphant since that single wasn't received so well, but in the case of #Beautiful it was one of her most successful singles in a long while. Maybe that was her window of opportunity if she promoted the song it could of gone top 10 and then led into a number 1 album. It is better for her to take her time rather then rush the album and it not be her best. I'd rather have a non successful album that is of amazing quality then well you know. I think she still wants success so since were gonna get a Christmas era before anything else, she should really use that time to remind people about the album. I feel she really needs to go all out, full force with the promo of this upcoming album. (Wednesday 2 October 2013; 22:46)

Same old, same old (39,299) by Joe from United Kingdom Thank God that we actually have some people here who like me are abit bored/tired with the what happened to Mariah's voice topic. No offence to those who like to talk about it and I understand that we may be running out of things to talk about since there's no new Mariah music in sight. But it's abit stale now asking the same question all the time is only gonna get you the exact same answer which ever way it's worded her voice changed she doesn't sound the same that's it. (Saturday 21 September 2013; 22:56)

Re. Bill from the UK (38,828) by Joe from United Kingdom At first I thought it was just me, but trust me you're not the only one who thinks Ariana's diction is pretty off. Alot of people make the exact same point. (Sunday 28 July 2013; 6:38)

The next Mariah, Daydream (38,827) by Joe from United Kingdom I completely agree with you guys about when people compare new female singers to Mariah. A new female comes out sings well, hits a couple high notes and there suddenly is the next Mariah. I then go listen to them and just feel slightly dissapointed because it's like I'm clearly not hearing what they are. It's cool to see how much you guys love Daydream. Out of her 90's albums, this is the one I seem to listen to the most. It's rare that you can listen to the album practically all the way through, but with this album that is definitely the case. I never really think about what my favourite albums are, but I think Daydream is probably one of her best to me. (Sunday 28 July 2013; 6:28)

Lets move on please, Deedre's topic (38,756) by Joe from United Kingdom Ok so PJW made his point while some (me) did'nt agree with everything said and some did he made some valid points. While he may have been abit blunt in his delivery (it's a UK thing) and didn't sugar coat everything, people are allowed to give opinions good or bad, let it be. Onto a lighter topic which Deedre started. What is your favourite funny Mariah moment? There are so many, but one that did make me laugh was when she was on a Korean show called "Yoo hoo yeol's sketchbook". A girl in the audience spoke to Mariah and quoted her songs: "Mariah you are my all, my honey" and then she started to serenade her with Minnie Riperton's "Loving you". Although Mariah didn't say much, it was funny to see her reaction or lack of reaction I should say. (Friday 19 July 2013; 17:37)

Difference in opinions (38,728) by Joe from United Kingdom It's good to see that I wasn't the only one who thinks that Mariah doesn't really owe anybody an explanation about her voice. I actually for a minute thought I was the only one, but at the same time it's good to see there are people who think otherwise. I enjoy this message board because some of us actually have constructive criticisms and different things to say. If we all acted like everything was rainbows and sunshine, it would become stale very fast. I don't think it's a case of people bashing Mariah, some people are just curious about certain things or are just stating an opinion, good or bad. As much as I might put up a post and someone may respond in dissagreement, at the same time they do also make valid points that I can actually agree with it, works both ways. I don't feel the need to tell people, well if you don't like it don't come here or don't read it. It's not that serious, it's just a different opinion, everybody has one. Just saying. (Wednesday 17 July 2013; 21:31)

PJW, Mariah's voice (38,714) by Joe from United Kingdom I actually understand and agree with some of the points you're making. I'm not a fan myself of her faking/lipping notes that she may not be able to always actually hit anymore, but for me I don't feel at this late in her career she really has to start talking about the change or decline in her voice. I'd like her to just acknowledge it in terms of her performing, like for example if she can't hit every high note then instead of lip sync to a lowered version of the studio track, just go for a different note or something, because atleast that's real. In terms of her explaining/talking about what has happened to her voice, I feel it's not going to make a difference really because it's been a long time. We as lambs would be sympathetic, but other people who are non fans or simply don't like her will just laugh and sarcastically say, "Well obviously." I don't feel that she should even give them the satisfaction. Also when people say she goes from album to album like nothing has changed at all, I don't think that is really true, because you can hear a difference in voice, just compare Daydream to TEOM. It's not exactly the same. If she recorded an album with less vocal highs and acrobatics, people would still complain because we're used to hearing that from her. No matter what, people will always have there opinion and they may stick with it or change their mind, that's just how it is. (Tuesday 16 July 2013; 22:53)

PJW and some other fans (38,706) by Joe from United Kingdom I feel like as fans some people get abit carried away. It's abit ridiculous. Now I'm one of the first people to be critical of certain performances or choices she makes (lip syncing). Yes, her voice is clearly not exactly the same as it once was and I enjoy more when she sings fully live according to what her current vocal state is, but if she doesn't want to, that is her choice, not mine, not the media's and not any of the lambs' either. I understand everyone here is entitled to an opinion and I enjoy the difference in opinion, good or bad. Mariah's voice has always been up and down, she has her good and bad days, even in the 90's there were rare times when her voice wouldn't do what she wanted it to. It's not anything new. The thing I don't understand is why people feel like she has to answer/admit to certain things like plastic surgery, her voice, alcohol, why did she get married to Nick, why did she name her child Morrocan. I'll tell you why, because it's her choice. It's not your body, husband or child. Get over it. We are fans, that is all, we are not related to her. What she does is completely up to her. I'm just being honest. Peace. (Tuesday 16 July 2013; 15:01)

Looking In, Hero and the bling sling (38,680) by Joe from United Kingdom Looking In was a great suprise and fully live definitely my favourite performance out of the bunch, followed by Hero. I laughed when I saw her three different slings, it was typical Mariah (In a good way). By the way, the best quality, more close up footage I've seen of the Looking In performance is named " Looking In rare first and only live performance". Check it out on YouTube for those of you who were asking. I hope that helps. (Monday 15 July 2013; 3:13)

Mariah Carey Unplugged re. Stephen from London (38,528) by Joe from United Kingdom It's ok, looking back I can see how my previous post could of been taken in that way, no worries. To everyone saying that she should do some type of unplugged show case, I couldn't agree more. IMO Mariah sings and sounds so much better in stripped back performances, wether that means acoustic or acapella, it just allows her voice to shine a lot more instead of lipping notes or really heavy production. I also think she should concentrate less on what she looks like, because when she used to lip sync tough notes, it was seamless that a non-fan wouldn't notice. Recently it's painfully obvious, because she tries to look cute while doing it and she's late on her cues a lot now aswell or the play-back volume is just way to low compared to the real mic voice volume. Just my observation. (Tuesday 2 July 2013; 15:09)

BET Awards performance re. Stephen from london (38,507) by Joe from United Kingdom Stephen, when I said I can predict the comments, I did'nt mean it in a way of being negative towards people. I completely agree with you. I just knew what was coming, that is all. I meant like here we go again with the lip syncing, like I was just real dissapointed and thought it was lazy of her to lip the entire thing. It's odd to me, at concerts she shows she's still capable of decent vocals, but she fails to deliver where it counts. Big televised performances since those are the performances that everyone will see. It just makes her look abit ridiculous. Glad I cleared that up. (Monday 1 July 2013; 14:04)

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