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Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,384) (101,386) by BFF from United States
(Sunday 2 October 2022; 21:44)
It's not bitterness as much as it is skepticism. Pitchfork didn't even bother to review a Mariah Carey album until 2014 when "Me I Am Mariah" was released. The publication didn't pay much attention to any genre other than indie rock during the 1990s and 2000s and has always had an elitist Brooklyn hipster vibe. So my question is "Why now?" after years of ignoring Mariah and other artists deemed "not cool enough".
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Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,381) (101,385) by Lee from USA
(Sunday 2 October 2022; 15:56)
I agree with you. It seems like clout-chasing to me. It's pointless to talk about an artist's greatness after years of denying or downplaying it.
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Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,381) (101,384) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 23:13)
Fantasy is my [favourite] MC song of all time. It deserves all the flowers. My family knows to play it at my funeral lol (seriously). [People] complain when Mariah doesn't gets her flowers, [people] complain when she does get her flowers. Also, Puja Patel (the author of the Mariah selection) is 33 years old. Most Mariah fans are Millennials (born between 1981 and 1996). Also, Pitchfork has been in publication since 1996, it's not a new publication. So not sure where the bitterness is coming from. Of all 250 songs sifted through, of which competition is very stiff, Mariah came out on top. "It's time to have a [party], open [off] the Bacardi."
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Re: Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) (101,383) by RJJ12 from USA
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 18:46)
I love the mash up too Stacy. It's brilliant. I also like how she incorporated Big Energy. Her set list is more youthful and upbeat. I like the new WBT version. I'm also not caring about pre records and shaky vocals. I will say I like the new ones in her current voice. I will say that her current live midrange sounded very Rainbowish in her tone. She sounds better live than in some of her recent recordings where she sounds like a chipmunk on the high parts. Bring on the projects.
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Re: Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) (101,382) by MhieMhie from Philippines
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 18:18)
Honey and HB are on the same rein even as lead singles from their parent albums. Very Mariah formula.

Its Like That to Migrate
Cruise Control to Shake it Off
Petals to Outside

That is why Caution is highly rated as it sounded something she hasn't done before excluding Portrait ala Petals. Mariah is in newer form. FILAC, The Roof 2022 have creative depth.
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The Pitchfork lists (101,381) by BFF from United States
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 15:09)
I'm glad to see Mariah getting some love, but, to me, it feels a little forced at this point. I mean, how many years did most of us on here spend loving Mariah when it wasn't cool? How many of us went out on 9/11 to buy the "Glitter" album because we knew there would be some gems on there? And do we really need Johnny come lately hipsters to tell us how great of an album "Butterfly" is?

And as much as I love "Fantasy" with ODB and "Always Be My Baby", Mariah has far better songs in her catalogue. I honestly think the ODB collaboration is a bit overrated and that songs like "Breakdown", "Crybaby", and the "My All" So So Def Remix are better examples of Mariah's genius integration of hip-hop into her style.
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Re: Is it too early? (101,377) (101,380) by Randy from USA
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 14:43)
You know what's funny? My birthday is December 19 so when this time of year comes it's like the dreaded anticipatory wait. But I'm with MC. The day after Halloween, open the floodgates. Before then, I don't take nothing out of the closet, buy anything or listen to any Christmas music.
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Re: Is it too early? (101,377) (101,379) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 13:35)
I am the same way Stacey. I love browsing through new Christmas items especially at Walgreens before they are gone. By the way, Backstreet Boys "A Very Backstreet Christmas" comes out on 10/14.
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Honey/Heartbreaker mashup (101,378) by Stacey from USA
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 05:38)
That was genius. I reconciled myself with all the "live vocal trickery" a long time ago. To sing a verse of one song to the music of another song is so cool.
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Re: Is it too early? (101,375) (101,377) by Stacey from USA
(Saturday 1 October 2022; 04:02)
Haha, I'm glad someone got the "not yet" comment. I don't understand why some get so hot and bothered by others playing Christmas music or seeing Christmas decor pop up in the stores in September and October. It doesn't bother me at all. Frankly I like browsing the Christmas decor before it gets all picked over. I love Fall and Halloween and enjoy it to the fullest.
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If We and WISY (101,376) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 30 September 2022; 18:00)
If We and When I Saw You are two of my favorite songs that never got enough love. Both should have been singles.
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Re: Is it too early? (101,374) (101,375) by Libra Lamb from USA
(Friday 30 September 2022; 13:53)
Not yet, lol. Mariah will officially kick of the Christmas season on 11/01. I say play whatever music you want in the privacy of your home. I was singing Christmas carols yesterday and my spouse reminded me that it's too early. Bah, humbug. We love everyone.
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Re: Is it too early? (101,367) (101,374) by Stacey from USA
(Friday 30 September 2022; 03:02)
Not yet.
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Re: Toni Braxton (101,371) (101,373) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 30 September 2022; 02:37)
Tuesday was the 17th anniversary of my second favorite Toni Braxton album of all time - Libra. I just purchased the rare bonus tracks edition.
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Re: Frances O'Connor (101,352) (101,372) by ksquarred from paris
(Friday 30 September 2022; 01:06)
I owned the vhs of that movie as a child and always thought she was Mariah’s sister.
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Re: Toni Braxton (101,369) (101,371) by Edward from USA
(Friday 30 September 2022; 01:03)
I also love me some Toni. I haven't listen to any of her albums from start to finish, but her first two albums, "Toni Braxton" and "Secrets". I just got "The Heat" album, I'll listen to it closely.
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Re: The Roof (101,368) (101,370) by Edward from USA
(Friday 30 September 2022; 01:00)
You're not alone, me too. Surprisingly, the new version has some elements that hit harder.
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Re: Toni Braxton (101,146) (101,369) by Libra Lamb from USA
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 23:38)
Are you kidding me? The Heat is one of my all time favorite albums. I know I've said this here before but that's an album I can listen to now and still sounds just as fresh as it did then and there are no skips. Fairytale being the best song on there. I love me some Toni Braxton, love her voice, her tone, her everything. I still want an MC collaboration with her. Long as I Live was soooo good, I get emotional with this one. Sex and Cigarettes was good too.
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The Roof (101,368) by Mò from South Africa
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 22:14)
I never thought a day would come when I would "betray" the original version of The Roof. I find myself now enjoying the latest retake with Brandy more and more. MC knew exactly what she was doing, there is maturity, rawness, delicacy to it. Wow.
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Is it too early? (101,367) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 19:20)
I am already looking forward to listening to my Christmas vinyl this year. I have some rare R&B Christmas vinyl. Maybe I will start listening to them in two weeks. I am definitely going to listen to my 98 Degrees, Megan Trainor, and Teddy Swims this year.
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Saturday Night Live performances (101,366) by MC1989 from Spain
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 11:56)
I think that there might be some problems with the copyright of Mariah's performances in SNL. Since she started celebrating her 30 years in the music industry and the whole MC30 surprises where she finally opened the vault and gave us The Rarities, restored videos and TV performances, she didn't upload any of her SNL performances. Now, with Butterfly 25 it's happening the same. It's a pity because all her SNL performances are amazing, some of the best live interpretations she did. Vision of Love in SNL in 1990, If It's Over and Can't Let Go in 1992, My All and Butterfly in SNL in 1997 etc. Instead they uploaded some of the TOTP performances, some of them are great but instead some are lipped, like My All, and that's the one she will put in her YouTube Channel as I see in the Butterfly 25 clip.
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Re: The numbers are so confusing (101,363) (101,365) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 09:45)
It's 70 million in the US alone, the certifications are from RIAA. Mariah has sold 200 million worldwide.
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Re: Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,346) (101,364) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 01:20)
I ordered mine today. You are right, Bill. Beige does look better than the honey. I don't understand why Brandy's duet is not on this collection.
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The numbers are so confusing (101,363) by Randy from USA
(Thursday 29 September 2022; 00:50)
So now it's 70 million sold. And she's the top selling female artist. But MC often runs around saying 200 million sold. Madonna just said on Jimmy Fallon she's sold 400 million. I wish there was a definitive number and place to know. Are we talking worldwide? Or just US? Singles or albums? Soundscan or pre-Soundscan? It's infuriating. I have seen Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Madonna, MC and Barbra Streisand all state they were the biggest selling female artist of all time.
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Re: Mariah's certifications (101,354) (101,362) by jaker20 from US
(Wednesday 28 September 2022; 20:28)
I thought she had a great year, or at least better than last year. BER was a global hit, even though it didn't chart in the US. It brought lots of new attention to Fantasy.
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