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I am confused (106,190) by Zachariah from Croatia
I don't know why such a harsh criticism about her voice - I didn't notice any lipped performances. I am confused - she sounds so good, why would she lip? It is getting tiring to read constant dissertations about her voice here.

Regarding the prices - you guys are very lucky for being able to come to see her. For us in Europe, that is unimaginable.
(Tuesday 16 April 2024; 08:47)
This year (106,189) by Robert-Anthony from United States
This year is really going by really fast. Forty-five days until June 1st. I can't believe summer is almost before us. What are your summer plans? I am going to take a road trip across the Midwest to D.C. with Zayn's new album playing which comes out May 17th. Maybe I will revisit Rainbow during my trip. What MC album or another artist's album will you revisit this summer? I have to do something that is exciting and exudes the summer feeling before Mimi brings Christmas back. Lol.
(Tuesday 16 April 2024; 03:12)
Vocals (106,188) by Tony Lorenzo from UK
Can we all stop complaining about the vocals? She can still sing. These are the issues:
1.) Too-tight clothes
2.) Breath control
And they are tied together. Mariah still had the voice, she had just got to use a vocal coach to figure out the breath control she used to have. She should not be too big to think she could do with a vocal coach. Once she works out how to keep her breath in a new, older body, she will be back on top vocally. She'll have extra rasp but will still sound amazing, if not better.

By the way have ya'll read Why Mariah Carey Matters? That will definitely shut up all the complaining.
(Tuesday 16 April 2024; 03:07)
Las Vegas (106,187) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I agree with this. I've seen nothing but good reviews from people who actually attended including them going on multiple dates. She isn't scamming anyone by saying come to this show to get the best vocal experience of your life. It's her celebrating a milestone. Taylor's situation is vastly different where she is manipulating her fans to buy the same songs in different collectible packaging to manipulate the charts and a cash grab.
(Tuesday 16 April 2024; 02:53)
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Las Vegas (106,186) by Lee from USA
If the fans that paid for the tickets and merchandise aren't complaining then why are you griping about it? It is not your money. She must be doing something right if she sells out venues despite the BS.
(Tuesday 16 April 2024; 00:51)
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Las Vegas (106,185) by Tevin from USA
I agree, especially when some people on this board were recently complaining about how Taylor Swift is screwing her fans over by releasing multiple vinyls with different songs on them. They need to keep up that same energy with Mariah. I rather spend an extra $100 bucks out of pocket for a couple new songs (I agree it's outrageous, I'm just making a point), then spend thousands of dollars (tickets, plus air fair, plus hotels), to see Mariah press play on tape player and lip sync to new vocals.

I know that touring is where money is made, but if she has time to record all of these pre-recorded songs, she has enough time to drop a new album. Especially since her new vocals sound really good and healthy. Or she should do strip down versions of some songs (like the promo clips she posted).

I would not even be mad if half of the songs were live and the other half lipped, but come on, no one (especially in this economy) can say that it is reasonable and appropriate to sing for 2 minutes in a 2 hour long show.

One positive note is that her vocals are sounding good again.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 23:14)
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Las Vegas vocals (106,184) by darrian liu from taiwan
I was pleasantly surprised at first, but was quickly brought down after I realized she lipped the whole thing. Now, we know Mariah lipping is nothing new, but I can't help but theorize about why Mariah has been lipping almost the entirety of her shows nowadays, as well as her wooden stage presence. Is it possible that:

1. Her voice can no longer handle the pressure of a live tour/residency in addition to her ever-growing stage fright. She could choose either to give it her all and let it be the final nail to the coffin for her voice, or save her voice for future recordings - and she chose the latter.

2. Stage presence - is this possibly due to Mariah going through either a depressive episode, or perhaps, a menopause? Either way, it's none of our business of course, but anyways, on to the third point which is:

3. Her stage presence is definitely lacking because she decided to lip the whole thing. Many people noticed her looking at the prompter a lot and directly assumed she forgot her own lyrics, but what I'm thinking is that the prompter has cues for her adlibs. This is why she has been lipping pretty perfectly, and also why she seems very disengaged with the audience.

Either way, I'm sad that Mariah has grown into such a big critic of herself that she no longer allows herself to sing freely on stage. Her voice right now is basically a fragile instrument that acts up to the littlest changes in her surroundings. I hope she finds it in herself to be kinder to herself.

(Side note: I can't believe I've been lurking around this site since I was in middle school. I know I'm not the most active and most of y'all probably don't really know my account, but I figured since it's been almost a decade, why not do a face reveal. Hello fellow lambs. )
(Monday 15 April 2024; 22:38)
Las Vegas (106,183) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I was thinking today that MC pushed her voice really hard from 1990-1995 recording back to back albums in the studio. After those years, she continued to push her voice with more use of the whistle and breathiness tone. I am just wondering if it were those two factors that caused MC to lose her ability to even sing like she did before 2003. I know I am beating a dead horse with her loss of vocal abilities, but it is really sad that she has to sing to pre-recorded tracks at a live show. Monica or Deborah Cox would never do that to their fans.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 22:34)
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Las Vegas (106,182) by LoverboyFirecracker from Canada
I don't post on here a ton, but I always enjoy reading the messages on this board. Mariah is my favourite recording artist of all time. And I have been voting every day for her to get into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame because I truly believe that she deserves it for everything that she has contributed to the music industry.

But I am sorry, as a long time fan (thirty-one years), I am also completely appalled at how much Lip-syncing she did for this Vegas show.

Although I didn't like it, when she lip synced just the hard parts of the song, I accepted it for years because at least there were a lot of parts that she did sing live and we had some really nice a cappella moments, etc. But what she is doing now is what Mariah would call "something different".

It's very apparent now that she really does not care about her fans. If she did, she would not go on stage and do this. She is literally charging people to see her poorly lip syncing 98% of her show, barely moving, and looking out of it. I don't know how anybody can look at this and even think this is remotely OK. This is a woman who goes on and on about how much her "lambily" means to her, which is obviously BS.

If she needs to lip sync to everything to very, very least she could do is move around more and maybe work a little bit more on some choreography, but she doesn't even give a crap enough to do that. Even Britney did that when she was performing under her conservatorship..

I thought when people said she only sang 10% of her Christmas shows last year live that people were exaggerating because she lip synced so much of it. I had no idea that was actually the case as I didn't watch clips from that tour until this weekend.

I get that she needs to make money, but she should really try to do it another way because this is damaging to her legacy and a lot of the stuff that the haters say about her "performances" and voice is true. Being in the industry this long and "not having anything left to prove" is a pathetic excuse.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 22:30)
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Las Vegas (106,181) by Nick G from Germany
Mariah becomes more and more of a parody of herself. Instead of a voice, we are presented her wig collection. And the two minutes where she sings live sounds like she's sitting on the toilet. Sorry I know Mariah is a diva, has an expensive lifestyle and needs money. But it's not right to exempt the fans like that.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 18:28)
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Las Vegas (106,180) by BFF from United States
I agree with you. She's charging way too much money for this show to be so heavily pre-recorded. Wouldn't it be better to just record in the studio and not tour?

She really needs to follow Linda Ronstadt's lead and stop doing live shows if she's only capable of a few minutes of live vocals. You can look at Mariah and tell that her heart isn't in it - there's no perspiration coming off of her, she's hardly moving, doesn't look winded at all. Whitney sounded awful during her last major tour (and really should not have done the tour) but at least Whitney sang mostly live.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 16:35)
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Las Vegas (106,179) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain
Sorry. I didn't mean for you to go that far. Anyway, it is what it is and that's it (vocally speaking). In fact, after the Circles rehearsal video, I had thought she was preparing for more live vocals. But this is just the next step after the Christmas shows, that is, everything is lipped. However and as I said before, at least there are new pre-recorded renditions of almost everything. It's better than nothing.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 16:11)
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Stage confidence? (106,178) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I don't think we're talking enough about her improved stage confidence. Now don't get me wrong, she still has room left. But in all the clips I've seen she's walking around, holding her own dress train, moving all without 2 men guiding her. While this may seem bare minimum, I can hardly remember the last time Mariah was walking around by herself. Now all we need is her to stop relying on her teleprompter and just let go and enjoy herself. It's nice to see mostly great reviews on social media. I think us fans dissect her every move too much.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 14:48)
Uhmmm Mimi's deep cuts are MIA (106,177) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I love this and this is what I was hoping for. Shedding light and bringing attention to her newer material. She relies too heavily on her old music and while I get that some people are there for the more known songs, why not incorporate some new ones too so that people can discover those records?
(Monday 15 April 2024; 14:42)
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Las Vegas (106,176) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
Lol at least Mariah is singing on her own backing track. JLo doesn't even sing on her own songs. Haha jokes aside I understand what you're saying. I wish she'd be more comfortable using her current voice but I think she's scared people will dissect it to no end.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 13:53)
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Las Vegas (106,175) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
I wouldn't say her popularity declined during MIAM. In fact #Beautiful could easily have been her next top 10 hit but after the accident she dropped all promo. Same with the rest of the roll out. Her delaying it due to the title being leaked, then releasing random singles with no proper treatments and no promo. People were still interested in her during this era, she just vanished.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 13:39)
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The new show (106,174) by Carlos from Brazil
I think If I was in Mariah's situation as a singer/legend with the most difficult songs ever done to sing live I would also use my pre recorded vocals just as she seems to be doing. Looks and sounds like she is using vocals from this year maybe recorded in a studio to be used on tour. As WW used to say. It's still her voice, you know she can sing.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 13:36)
Las Vegas (106,173) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I was scratching my head after watching Xavier's video. The facade of a total package artist is front and center now. Maybe we will never see MC16 released. This is what MC used to be through the eras 1-7

1. Debut - mesmerising
2. Emotions - insane vocals
3. Music Box - mature artist
4. Daydream - confident artist
5. Butterfly - transformation
6. Rainbow - versatile artist
7. Glitter - trendsetter
8. Charmbracelet - lackluster album, vocally on point world tour
9. TEOM - the return of the voice
10. E=MC2 - still on top
11. Memoirs - sales decline
12. MIAM - popularity decline on the charts
13. Caution - critically exclaimed album and tour, high Spotify numbers, vocal decline
14. 2019-2024 - queen of Christmas, MC16 delayed constantly
(Monday 15 April 2024; 10:41)
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Las Vegas (106,172) by Bill from the UK
I'll always love Mariah, but a grand total of 2 minutes of actual live vocals from a 2 hour show is appalling. Mariah fans love to mock J. Lo, but Mariah herself is no better. I think I'm finally done with her now. There's nothing more to say. Good luck y'all.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 09:03)
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Las Vegas (106,171) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain
This is all she sang live on the first night. The new renditions sound really good though.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 01:02)
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Uhmmm Mimi's deep cuts are MIA (106,170) by Robert-Anthony from United States
I get it now. I guess she has to keep a few surprises until the start of the shows.
(Monday 15 April 2024; 00:05)
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Uhmmm Mimi's deep cuts are MIA (106,169) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
Thanks for sharing. I think I read she plays music to I Didn't mean to turn you on and Boy when she's changing. Set list looks good. I would like her to add GYN on some dates. She looks great and I know she will get more comfortable with more dates.
(Sunday 14 April 2024; 22:38)
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Uhmmm Mimi's deep cuts are MIA (106,168) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
I get the intention being how she got from the debut to TEOM, that makes sense. I personally would have preferred a setlist that starts with It's Like That, and then shows how TEOM influenced all her albums post TEOM. Really focusing on her recent catalog, she doesn't incorporate her new music nearly enough. This would be my dream set list for this residency:
ILT
SIO
Say Somethin'
Mine again
One and Only/So Lonely
I Wish you Knew
Get Your Number
DFAU
I'm That Chick
Touch my Body
Stay in Love Dance Remix
Side Effects
Love U long time
Obsessed
Candy Bling
H.A.T.E.U
#Beautiful
Dedicated
You're Mine (Eternal)
You Don't Know what to Do
Caution
GTFO (edited version)
The Distance
A No No
WBT
FLAB as the closer
(Sunday 14 April 2024; 22:11)
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Uhmmm Mimi's deep cuts are MIA (106,167) by Will from England
The theme of the show is how she got to TEOM, from her debut and through he career to show why TEOM was and is an important album. From what I've seen there are spoken parts that are played between songs, almost like the audio book. Speaking of the show, I've been highly impressed by the presentation of the set, and how it's all put together. Her voice is supremely better than when we all saw that clip of VOL from a while back. The discussion of what is pre-recorded or lipped is tired and old - she is singing live what she can throughout the show and it sounds great. We just have to adjust to the new singing style that she is adopting and it's working from what I can see and hear. As for deep cuts, plenty of deep cuts from what I've seen. Set list is roughly and order may not be correct:
VOL
Emotions
Make it happen
Can't let go
I'll be there
Dreamlover/remix
Hero
Without you
Fantasy
Butterfly
Babydoll
The toof
My all
Breakdown
Close my eyes
Looking in
(there have been some reports of a Glitter/Charmbracelet medley but I suspect that's when she is off stage)
I wish you knew
It's like that
Shake it off
Your girl
Circles
Say something
We belong together
Fly like a bird
That's quite a good set list, I can only dream she decides to take this internationally.
(Sunday 14 April 2024; 19:11)
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Uhmmm Mimi's deep cuts are MIA (106,166) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
Ya I was like wow that's so random that she stops at TEOM but what you said makes sense although I think this would have been a good opportunity for her to promote some of her relatively newer albums like singing The Distance, #Beautiful, A No No etc.
(Sunday 14 April 2024; 19:07)
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