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Rockin' Around #1 (104,404)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Monday 4 December 2023; 23:04) | | |
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This is a reply to message 104,401 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:20) | | |
| Let's be happy for Brenda. Mariah will be number one again eventually. Other songs have been gaining popularity too. |
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Rockin' Around #1 (104,403)
by jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:29) | | |
| I need Wham's Last Christmas to go no.1 at some point too. Michael deserves it. |
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This is a reply to message 104,401 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:20) | | |
| Let's be happy for Brenda. Mariah will be number one again eventually. Other songs have been gaining popularity too. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,402)
by jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:24) | | |
"Brenda didn't write RATCT, she basically doesn't profit much from it."
"Who has been boycotting that frail old lady Brenda for four years now?"
Then its entire possible that she's over this and these aren't fully her doing. Business people are profiting off of her. Aka labels and industry people. |
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This is a reply to message 104,399 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:23) | | |
| Labels don't have that much control, period. They have been trying to make artists, songs and albums happen for the longest that never went anywhere. Streaming changed the game, stars and hits have come out straight out of YouTube, streamers gave them that. Promoting helps a lot to bring attention to projects, but people ultimately decide. AIWFCIY has been hitting the top spot for four years in an row, give me a fat effing non-delusional break. Mariah and her team haven't sat their asses down, they have been pushing AIWFCIY way more aggressively than Brenda and her team. Brenda didn't write RATCT, she basically doesn't profit much from it. Stop with the paranoia and conspiracy theories. Wait, I think you're right, the illuminati and Brenda are working together. Who is Brenda sacrificing for the top spot? A lamb, maybe. Who has been boycotting that frail old lady Brenda for four years now? |
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Rockin' Around #1 (104,401)
by Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:20) | | |
| Let's be happy for Brenda. Mariah will be number one again eventually. Other songs have been gaining popularity too. |
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This is a reply to message 104,398 by
enwar00 from usa
(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:04) | | |
| It's officially #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. Congrats to Brenda Lee. I imagine Mariah is gracious and happy for her. Maybe this can further help against ageism and Mimi can get to #1 in decades to come still. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,400)
by jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:07) | | |
| I think you need to calm down. Now you're backpedaling again lol. You said the music industry don't have a say, then you say they kind of do. lol. Come out and be real now. |
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This is a reply to message 104,399 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:23) | | |
| Labels don't have that much control, period. They have been trying to make artists, songs and albums happen for the longest that never went anywhere. Streaming changed the game, stars and hits have come out straight out of YouTube, streamers gave them that. Promoting helps a lot to bring attention to projects, but people ultimately decide. AIWFCIY has been hitting the top spot for four years in an row, give me a fat effing non-delusional break. Mariah and her team haven't sat their asses down, they have been pushing AIWFCIY way more aggressively than Brenda and her team. Brenda didn't write RATCT, she basically doesn't profit much from it. Stop with the paranoia and conspiracy theories. Wait, I think you're right, the illuminati and Brenda are working together. Who is Brenda sacrificing for the top spot? A lamb, maybe. Who has been boycotting that frail old lady Brenda for four years now? |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,399)
by Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:23) | | |
| Labels don't have that much control, period. They have been trying to make artists, songs and albums happen for the longest that never went anywhere. Streaming changed the game, stars and hits have come out straight out of YouTube, streamers gave them that. Promoting helps a lot to bring attention to projects, but people ultimately decide. AIWFCIY has been hitting the top spot for four years in an row, give me a fat effing non-delusional break. Mariah and her team haven't sat their asses down, they have been pushing AIWFCIY way more aggressively than Brenda and her team. Brenda didn't write RATCT, she basically doesn't profit much from it. Stop with the paranoia and conspiracy theories. Wait, I think you're right, the illuminati and Brenda are working together. Who is Brenda sacrificing for the top spot? A lamb, maybe. Who has been boycotting that frail old lady Brenda for four years now? |
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This is a reply to message 104,395 by
jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 19:02) | | |
Pedro's post isn't paranoia, is it actually true. I'm not sure you fulling understand how it works. A few days ago, you said labels have no control, and I explained to you how that is not true.
Labels can influence placement on playlists through Discovery Mode. It is a feature for artists which is some kind of digital payola, where labels received reduced royalty in exchange for prioritized placement. It is not pay by play, but if you understand algorithms, it is very effective.
The placement of a song in a playlist with millions of users is very consequential. Im not sure why you're comparing it to you playlist lol. They are not the same. Regular users normally plays a playlist pushed to them by the app, and then stop at a certain point. So makes a massive difference.
So the past few weeks, Mariah has not been added on some of the biggest curated playlists, until recently. Brenda's song has been on playlists mentioned below that often doesn't even have to do with Christmas. And that already works against Mariah in terms of boost from algorithms. It has a slower headstart.
Like I said, Brenda's team has been aggressive this year and we give them that credit. Mariah's hasn't, probably they felt they didn't need it which I think is a mistake. |
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Rockin' Around #1 (104,398)
by enwar00 from usa
(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:04) | | |
| It's officially #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. Congrats to Brenda Lee. I imagine Mariah is gracious and happy for her. Maybe this can further help against ageism and Mimi can get to #1 in decades to come still. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,397)
by Lee from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 20:22) | | |
| She gets treated vastly differently than her peers. She is vilified for her successes and mocked for failure. It's hard to convince people otherwise when it happens often. |
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This is a reply to message 104,392 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:55) | | |
| That's not boycott or illegal. You don't have to listen to those playlists. Most people have their own playlists anyway, and Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Brenda wasn't at the top of some of those playlists before. Was she being boycotted since AIWFCIY hit number one? I thought we had moved on from the paranoia lambs tend to have about some mega powerful entity coming for Mariah. AIWFIY and RATCT are the Christmas hits they are because millions of people love them and got them there. You can discount, you can gift, you can pray, you can throw a lambtrum, but all that won't make a song popular or hit if people don't like it. |
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Miss You Most (At Christmas) (104,396)
by jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 19:51) | | |
I'm thinking Mariah walking on the streets of Paris like that Say Somethin' video but less sexy. But Mariah's Christmas image is festive so I don't know if she'll be up for it. But look at Last Christmas, which is a sad song.  |
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This is a reply to message 104,387 by
jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 06:02) | | |
| It gives me the feels the classic feels. I think this song deserves a proper video. One that has a story, similar to Wham's Last Christmas. Same with "When Christmas Comes". Both are original MC Christmas songs too. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,395)
by jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 19:02) | | |
Pedro's post isn't paranoia, is it actually true. I'm not sure you fulling understand how it works. A few days ago, you said labels have no control, and I explained to you how that is not true.
Labels can influence placement on playlists through Discovery Mode. It is a feature for artists which is some kind of digital payola, where labels received reduced royalty in exchange for prioritized placement. It is not pay by play, but if you understand algorithms, it is very effective.
The placement of a song in a playlist with millions of users is very consequential. Im not sure why you're comparing it to you playlist lol. They are not the same. Regular users normally plays a playlist pushed to them by the app, and then stop at a certain point. So makes a massive difference.
So the past few weeks, Mariah has not been added on some of the biggest curated playlists, until recently. Brenda's song has been on playlists mentioned below that often doesn't even have to do with Christmas. And that already works against Mariah in terms of boost from algorithms. It has a slower headstart.
Like I said, Brenda's team has been aggressive this year and we give them that credit. Mariah's hasn't, probably they felt they didn't need it which I think is a mistake. |
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This is a reply to message 104,392 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:55) | | |
| That's not boycott or illegal. You don't have to listen to those playlists. Most people have their own playlists anyway, and Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Brenda wasn't at the top of some of those playlists before. Was she being boycotted since AIWFCIY hit number one? I thought we had moved on from the paranoia lambs tend to have about some mega powerful entity coming for Mariah. AIWFIY and RATCT are the Christmas hits they are because millions of people love them and got them there. You can discount, you can gift, you can pray, you can throw a lambtrum, but all that won't make a song popular or hit if people don't like it. |
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Oh Santa original vs JHud/Ariana version (104,394)
by Libra Lamb from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 17:58) | | |
| I personally like the solo version better, but that goes for all of her songs. I prefer her singing solo, with the exception of I'll Be There and a few of her other songs, I don't know if it's because it's always been her and Trey Lorenz on that song. Just my two cents, I'm not trying to disrespect anyone she has had the pleasure of working with. |
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This is a reply to message 104,366 by
jaker20 from US
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 15:46) | | |
| What's everyone's opinion on this? It's interesting that the JHud/Ariana collab didn't do much to the song. I personally thought their voices didn't blend so well, and there's no chemistry between them on the video. It wasn't cute or engaging. But we said the same with the AIWFCIY collab with Bieber. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,393)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:58) | | |
| Lambtrum. That one's a keeper. |
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This is a reply to message 104,392 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:55) | | |
| That's not boycott or illegal. You don't have to listen to those playlists. Most people have their own playlists anyway, and Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Brenda wasn't at the top of some of those playlists before. Was she being boycotted since AIWFCIY hit number one? I thought we had moved on from the paranoia lambs tend to have about some mega powerful entity coming for Mariah. AIWFIY and RATCT are the Christmas hits they are because millions of people love them and got them there. You can discount, you can gift, you can pray, you can throw a lambtrum, but all that won't make a song popular or hit if people don't like it. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,392)
by Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:55) | | |
| That's not boycott or illegal. You don't have to listen to those playlists. Most people have their own playlists anyway, and Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Brenda wasn't at the top of some of those playlists before. Was she being boycotted since AIWFCIY hit number one? I thought we had moved on from the paranoia lambs tend to have about some mega powerful entity coming for Mariah. AIWFIY and RATCT are the Christmas hits they are because millions of people love them and got them there. You can discount, you can gift, you can pray, you can throw a lambtrum, but all that won't make a song popular or hit if people don't like it. |
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This is a reply to message 104,389 by
Pedro from Brazil
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27) | | |
| AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,391)
by Terna from Nigeria
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:45) | | |
| Speaking of Spotify, many users cannot login for a few weeks now, and some have been complaining of automatic subscriptions to premium even though they did not initiate the request, their Facebook customer support is overrun with many complaints. Weird. |
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This is a reply to message 104,389 by
Pedro from Brazil
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27) | | |
| AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played. |
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Number one (104,390)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:37) | | |
| I'm happy for Brenda too. What a cool lady. The new video is cute. |
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This is a reply to message 104,386 by
Tameka walker from United states
(Monday 4 December 2023; 02:44) | | |
| If Mariah doesn't make it to number one this week I am sure that it will be number one before Christmas. I love Mariah and I love her Christmas song and I hope it hits number one before Christmas. Brenda's song is nice too. If they can share for instance one be number one one week and then the other the next it doesn't take anything away from Mariah. She can't be number one forever. And I realize that. Here's to Mariah and Brenda. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,389)
by Pedro from Brazil
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27) | | |
| AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played. |
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This is a reply to message 104,375 by
Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49) | | |
| To be honest, I don't even know how RATCT is even competing with AIWFCIY. The latter is way more festive, the former would be like something to play on Christmas Eve. Maybe Mariah and Brenda agree to defrost together next Christmas seaon. |
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Rockin' Around (104,388)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27) | | |
I have seen so many versions of "If it's over", maybe I have it on my laptop. But I'm too lazy to check it. The background of the performance and the video somehow seemed "new" to me, so it's okay if you're all shocked.  But I remember East 17 with "Stay another day" and "It's alright" they were huge in the good old Bundesrepublik Deutschland too. The good 90ies, I miss them. They were so much better compared to today not only chartwise. And we could go carefree to Christmas markets, I'm depressed because what's going on here since 2015. I'll stop it here and say something nice. It's snowing right now. It looks like a winter wonderland. I saw the new video with Brenda in a morning show. It was nice. Mariah and Brenda could do a Rockabilly Christmas song together.  Would be fun. We have a Justin Bieber version, why not something with Brenda Lee? |
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This is a reply to message 104,381 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:45) | | |
Yuh-huh. "Rockin Around the Christmes Tree" I might call a "cute little ditty". I know it from Home Alone and wasn't exactly enthralled by it then. It's no "I Love Sausage Rolls". Doesn't even come close to that masterpiece.
Thought it might be fun for non-Brits to watch the video for "Stay Another Day" by East 17: this is the song that, 29 years ago, kept Mariah from being the UK Christmas No.1 (I cried). Check out the masterpiece music video. Considering it's a song about suicide, again "I Love Sausage Rolls" it isn't. Which ought to feature a warning that it might make you want to commit suicide.
MusicFanJ is given a free pass for the (shocking) oversight of never having seen Mariah sing "If It's Over" at the Grammys, for, I believe, "All I Want For Christmas Is You" also reached Number 2 at Christmas in 1994 in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Y'know, back when charts were quite simple and meant something and not full of ridiculous calculations that you'd need a doctorate to understand win an entire album of tracks from one artist comprising an entire top 10.
I'd feel old saying that. But I still look young and beautiful. |
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Miss You Most (At Christmas) (104,387)
by jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 06:02) | | |
| It gives me the feels the classic feels. I think this song deserves a proper video. One that has a story, similar to Wham's Last Christmas. Same with "When Christmas Comes". Both are original MC Christmas songs too. |
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Number one (104,386)
by Tameka walker from United states
(Monday 4 December 2023; 02:44) | | |
| If Mariah doesn't make it to number one this week I am sure that it will be number one before Christmas. I love Mariah and I love her Christmas song and I hope it hits number one before Christmas. Brenda's song is nice too. If they can share for instance one be number one one week and then the other the next it doesn't take anything away from Mariah. She can't be number one forever. And I realize that. Here's to Mariah and Brenda. |
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Emotions formula (104,385)
by Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 22:43) | | |
| You're not about to school me on Aretha Franklin. First of all not every song or performance she had was Gospel influenced (most weren't) just because her roots were in gospel and she started in church that's implying singers such as she was (Whitney too comes to mind) are kinda a one trick pony, just because their roots are in Gospel. That woman was one of the most versatile singers that would ever walk the face of this Earth - case in point, "Nessum Dorma" 1998, the Grammy Awards. We have streaming services in this day and age for you to do your research and don't come here making a fool of yourself. |
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This is a reply to message 104,364 by
BFF from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 15:07) | | |
Everything Aretha performed was gospel-influenced because she grew up ensconced in the African-American gospel tradition. She was, I will remind you, the daughter of a prominent minister. "Soul" music would not exist without gospel, blues, rock and jazz. It is a hybrid genre like pop.
You posted tons of strong opinions about "Emotions" as an album. Now others are responding. If you can't handle it, don't post lol. |
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Emotions formula (104,384)
by Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 22:31) | | |
| Weak. I am entitled to my opinions, same as every other person. If you don't agree, move along. [#17 |
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This is a reply to message 104,358 by
Jamie from UK
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:59) | | |
| Seems you only like things your way. [You're] usually wrong as seen over and over on this forum. I can't help but think "if it's over" for your opinions. |
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A look back at 2023 (104,383)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 22:08) | | |
| No, dear. Age before beauty. You go right ahead |
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This is a reply to message 104,382 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 21:20) | | |
| Dahling, don't take me so seriously on here. I am just having a little bit of fun. It was Heather Locklear's billing status on Melrose Place that I am referencing. There is room for you before me anytime. Lol. |
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A look back at 2023 (104,382)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 21:20) | | |
| Dahling, don't take me so seriously on here. I am just having a little bit of fun. It was Heather Locklear's billing status on Melrose Place that I am referencing. There is room for you before me anytime. Lol. |
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This is a reply to message 104,379 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:24) | | |
What is "special guest star status" (I ask with a due sense of exhaustion and dread)? I've posted on this board hundreds, if not thousands, of times.
Chill out. You get a tad cringe, now and then. But mostly now. And always then. |
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Rockin' Around (104,381)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:45) | | |
Yuh-huh. "Rockin Around the Christmes Tree" I might call a "cute little ditty". I know it from Home Alone and wasn't exactly enthralled by it then. It's no "I Love Sausage Rolls". Doesn't even come close to that masterpiece.
Thought it might be fun for non-Brits to watch the video for "Stay Another Day" by East 17: this is the song that, 29 years ago, kept Mariah from being the UK Christmas No.1 (I cried). Check out the masterpiece music video. Considering it's a song about suicide, again "I Love Sausage Rolls" it isn't. Which ought to feature a warning that it might make you want to commit suicide.
MusicFanJ is given a free pass for the (shocking) oversight of never having seen Mariah sing "If It's Over" at the Grammys, for, I believe, "All I Want For Christmas Is You" also reached Number 2 at Christmas in 1994 in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Y'know, back when charts were quite simple and meant something and not full of ridiculous calculations that you'd need a doctorate to understand win an entire album of tracks from one artist comprising an entire top 10.
I'd feel old saying that. But I still look young and beautiful. |
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This is a reply to message 104,375 by
Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49) | | |
| To be honest, I don't even know how RATCT is even competing with AIWFCIY. The latter is way more festive, the former would be like something to play on Christmas Eve. Maybe Mariah and Brenda agree to defrost together next Christmas seaon. |
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Emotions formula (104,380)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 20:28) | | |
| No, certainly not. Lol I know almost all her live gigs, but not all. I'm happy that I missed some, so I can enjoy it now. I'm sure I know some gigs and interviews she did in Germany, France, Italy and UK which you don't know as well. |
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This is a reply to message 104,376 by
Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:56) | | |
| Have you been living under a rock? As an old time fan you should know about this performance. I'm hereby stripping you from your lamb status. Now you're just a regular fan. You'll regain you lamb status when you start purchasing and streaming AIWFCIY until it reaches number one again. |
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