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Charmbracelet - 20 years (101,744) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 6 December 2022; 17:40)
Yes, my Charmbracelet on my playlist is a heavily edited version of the album:

1. Through the Rain (radio edit)
2. The One (without rap)
3. I Know What You Want
4. Yours
5. I Only Wanted
6. Clown
7. My Saving Grace
8. Bringin' on the Heartbreak (AC version)
9. Miss You
10. Sunflowers
11. Through the Rain (remix)

My version is a bit more concise and digestible and removes the bland whisper-heavy tracks. I remember when I first listened to CB on the day of release, it was the only album of hers where I was actually frustrated half way through. By the 16th chorus of Lullaby I was like, just shut up already.

The whole era was a bit of a miss. Lyrically the album is great, I'd put it up there with Butterfly personally, but everything seemed a bit half baked.
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This is a reply to message 101,741 by Nick G from Germany
(Tuesday 6 December 2022; 10:50)
Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,721) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 2 December 2022; 16:55)
We can add exercise bikes to the list now lol.
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This is a reply to message 101,532 by The webmaster from the Netherlands
(Monday 24 October 2022; 16:03)
QOC (101,720) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 2 December 2022; 14:26)
Correct. They are realistic.
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This is a reply to message 101,715 by Lady B from USA
(Thursday 1 December 2022; 10:23)
QOC (101,709) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 30 November 2022; 14:28)
It was about where on earth you got the notion she "graciously stepped aside" on the matter. That's your interpretation based on the fact her legal team didn't respond within the time limit, nowhere has that been stated. Not by Mariah, her representatives, or any publication. As always you make up little embellishments to strengthen your opinion/narrative.

What probably happened, and I am speculating here, is that Mariah's team saw all the backlash from her attempt to trademark a phrase, as virtually every publication that wrote about it saw it for the money grab it was, and realised it would be more damaging to her brand than beneficial if she were to pursue it.
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This is a reply to message 101,706 by Nikki from usa
(Wednesday 30 November 2022; 07:39)
Macy's performance (101,677) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 November 2022; 20:15)
I know, I am truly so grateful I saw her during her indisputable best. It was one of the best nights of my life. Mariah was at her peak, as were her vocals, her music, her looks, her confidence, and my love for her.
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This is a reply to message 101,676 by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Friday 25 November 2022; 19:03)
Macy's performance (101,673) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 November 2022; 15:19)
Who'd have thought MC would lip sync. Colour me stunned. You're looking at $150-200 for one ticket to the Christmas concert. Plus travel and hotel if you're not based in New York. If you want to pay that much to watch her lip sync, get her hair and make up fixed on stage, bemoan the lighting, stick a finger in her ear, ramble on about her ensemble, drink champagne, and bark out an off key "EH" every so often, that's your prerogative.

Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer.
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This is a reply to message 101,669 by Randy from USA
(Friday 25 November 2022; 04:21)
QOC (101,666) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 November 2022; 14:36)
As always, state your sources.
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This is a reply to message 101,664 by Nikki from usa
(Thursday 24 November 2022; 05:27)
QOC (101,651) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 19 November 2022; 16:18)
It's actually more a super villain move than anything.
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This is a reply to message 101,646 by Edward from USA
(Thursday 17 November 2022; 14:18)
QOC (101,640) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 16 November 2022; 16:21)
I disagree. It was ridiculous and nothing but a money grab. She can be called it (and will be) but she has no business owning the rights to it. Absolutely abhorrent.
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This is a reply to message 101,639 by Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Wednesday 16 November 2022; 05:23)
Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,545) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 25 October 2022; 19:43)
Quite. She is the Olympian who can no longer compete. She's spent the best part of 30 years telling anyone who'd listen that she's a songwriter first and prefers songwriting to singing. Well, she may have squandered her vocal gift God gave her, but she still has her songwriting talent. Just hang up the malfunctioning ear piece once and for all and retire with some dignity.

You all have no idea how much it pains me to write this. But I think this may be the last straw for me. I will love her forever, but I cannot enable this anymore.
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This is a reply to message 101,544 by "MariahHater" from Hell
(Tuesday 25 October 2022; 17:38)
Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,528) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 24 October 2022; 13:24)
Quite. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I could have sang better than Mariah did. Honestly. That is what is really worrying. Someone whose voice was completely untouchable, and as Tommy said when he discovered her, "she is the best singer I have ever heard", to actually being one of the worst singers still performing, is almost incredible. It's so sad to witness. She can live off AIWFCIY's annual royalties, so why does she need the "money grab"? Retire from singing and write songs for others and focus on your other projects. The dolls have stopped dancing now.
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This is a reply to message 101,527 by ADAM from USA
(Monday 24 October 2022; 10:27)
Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,523) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 24 October 2022; 00:20)
I've seen most of the clips. My All was particularly bad as she lipped the chorus and, of course, carried on miming when they playback stopped and had to awkwardly start singing. It was an embarrassment, and a disaster. None of Mariah's peers or anyone of her status would have done such a performance. Frankly I don't really know why she bothers. She has her money, she has her legacy, she has her records. Why put herself, and us, through these dreadful performances time and time again.
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This is a reply to message 101,518 by Randy from USA
(Sunday 23 October 2022; 14:05)
Soundtracks (101,495) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13)
I thought I was wrong once but turns out I was mistaken.
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This is a reply to message 101,491 by jaker20 from US
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 00:41)
Soundtracks (101,494) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13)
I think I prefer Rainbow because I think it's stronger melodically. So Heartbreaker and the remix are great, and I sort of directly compare them against Loverboy and the remix. I also think CTTA, Bliss, After Tonight, Petals and the Interlude are beautiful ballads. With Glitter I love Lead the Way but don't think Reflections and Twister are as strong as the Rainbow ballads. I agree Glitter is more cohesive, and as much as I adore If We and Don't Stop, I feel Mariah needed to be on those songs more than just singing the hook.

I also have to state that in respect of her albums, my top albums of all time are all hers, then the list goes into other artists. This is why she's my favourite.
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This is a reply to message 101,490 by Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 23:26)
Soundtracks (101,489) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 22:23)
You still don't get it, but that's cool.
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This is a reply to message 101,488 by jaker20 from US
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 17:25)
Soundtracks (101,487) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 08:53)
Okay so you still don't get the point. My personal opinion of what material is good doesn't mean it translates to success or is the right move. For example I always thought I'll Be Loving You Long Time was the best song on E=MC2, but it bombed when it was released. I stand by what I said, sorry you didn't understand. To make it a bit clearer, Glitter's a great album as I said, but the debut, Emotions, Unplugged, Music Box, Merry Christmas, Daydream, Butterfly, Rainbow, Emancipation and Caution are all better. Right to Dream is heartfelt, but Vanishing, Love Takes Time, Till the End of Time, The Wind, I'll Be There, Never Forget You, I Am Free, Looking In, Butterfly, My All, Whenever You Call, Outside, I Still Believe, Can't Take That Away, After Tonight, Petals, My Saving Grace, Sunflowers, Mine Again, We Belong Together, Circles, For the Record, Bye Bye, I Stay In Love, Cry, I Want to Know What Love Is and Portrait are moreso. When You Believe is a fine duet but I'll Be There, Endless Love and One Sweet Day are miles better.

I've always been open minded about Mariah doing something new and different. Soundtracks have been done with not much success, either chart wise or with the fan base. If you think Mariah's remaining years are best spent on songs like Infamous and Almost Home, which connected with nobody and did nothing for their associated projects, then great. I've long advocated for her to do a jazz or gospel album as that is unexplored territory, something fresh and different, and something that may suit her current voice (jazz).

Remember, not everybody who disagrees with you is out to get you. It's just an opinion.
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This is a reply to message 101,484 by jaker20 from US
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 18:42)
Soundtracks (101,482) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 14:45)
I don't care whether Mariah's music charts or not, so long as it's good. In the UK she only has had three number ones, two of them covers. I'm not used to her dominating the charts like in the US.

My point, which you missed, was that soundtracks aren't her speciality nor her strong point. Let me (gasp) compare her efforts to Celine Dion's. Beauty and the Beast, When I Fall In Love (Sleepless In Seattle), Because You Loved Me (Up Close and Personal), and My Heart Will Go On (Titanic) were all huge internationally successful songs. If you have Celine on your soundtrack it is likely to do well, Mariah, maybe not.

Mariah's strengths lie elsewhere was the point. Sometimes it seems like you look for things that aren't even there just to cause friction.
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This is a reply to message 101,480 by jaker20 from US
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 04:22)
Soundtracks (101,479) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 01:44)
Let's look at Mariah's track record with soundtracks to bring this back down to earth:

1. When You Believe with Whitney. Two biggest voices on the planet came together yet didn't make the top 20 of the US charts. A moderate hit elsewhere, but not the tour de force people may have expected.

2. Glitter. I probably don't need to elaborate on this. A great album, a great concept, but the execution was a disaster.

3. Tennessee. Sorry Randy but Right to Dream didn't go anywhere sadly, despite it being quite a heartfelt and unique offering in Mariah's catalogue.

4. Almost Home. Mariah didn't even write this one from memory. It didn't feature in the film and was stuck on the very end of the closing credits.

5. Infamous. Just no, I've played that song 2 and a half times and I never want to hear it again.
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This is a reply to message 101,478 by jaker20 from US
(Monday 17 October 2022; 21:52)
Mariah Carey appreciation (101,470) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 17 October 2022; 12:40)
I agree the Butterfly 25 celebrations have been good. The bonus material could have been better but was good to see The Roof with Brandy have a home and the new remixes. Also the vinyl edition of the album looks superb.

What I don't agree with though is the comparison against Michael Jordan. Michael doesn't pretend that he can still play his sport like he used to, and retired gracefully with a string of accomplishments behind him. Mariah continues on the facade with pre-records, lip syncing, background singers masking and then the excuses when these performances inevitably collapse around her. That's what annoys some of the fan base and why we are imploring her to head in a direction that suits her current voice, or at least retire from performing and become a studio artist.

I ask myself, years from now, will people remember Vision of Love on GMA, America the Beautiful at the NBA finals, If It's Over at SNL, or will it be the mix feed of AIWFCIY and the NYE disaster?

Time will tell.
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This is a reply to message 101,469 by Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 17 October 2022; 09:41)
Re: Full of grace (101,454) (101,459) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 15 October 2022; 20:27)
For me, it's the imperfections you mention that make the performance that much more endearing. I think it's one of her best.
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This is a reply to message 101,454 by Geronimo from USA
(Saturday 15 October 2022; 03:09)
Re: What MC albums have you never bought? (101,438) (101,444) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 12 October 2022; 21:07)
The only album I've never purchased is the Magical Christmas soundtrack. I have everything else, including compilations. If it was released in the UK (any format), I have it.
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This is a reply to message 101,438 by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 12 October 2022; 01:53)
Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,409) (101,410) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 5 October 2022; 23:49)
The best way to address would be an album, sung in a voice without any studio trickery, lamenting the loss of her voice. It would be incredibly powerful and poignant and could either be her curtain call or the beginning of a new era. You don't have to have more octaves than a grand piano and embellish every line to be a great singer. Look at Karen Carpenter. The beautiful thing about her voice was its simplicity.
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Re: Just another Side Effects (101,395) (101,396) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 16:44)
It's funny you say that, Joni Mitchell had a greatest hits album called Hits, but she insisted it could only be issued if a sister album, Misses, was also released at the same time. Misses contained all her flops haha.
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Re: Just another Side Effects (101,391) (101,394) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 12:38)
Mariah fans: Wow, Crapfinity was really terrible. I think this is the most awful thing Mariah's ever done, she can't possibly come up with anything worse.

Why You Mad has entered the chat.
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Re: Variety article - L.A Reid (101,337) (101,351) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 27 September 2022; 19:41)
I've never understood why everybody seems to fall at LA Reid's feet and act like he's the second coming of Christ. He treated Toni Braxton appallingly and had one decent record with Mariah (Emancipation). Mariah has managed many hit albums without his input or management.

With Emancipation, Mariah herself was hungry to be back at the top of the charts, and without her drive and passion for the project, it would not have been the success it was. Also, the public I think wanted to see her return to where she belonged, as she was due it after the unfair treatment she got for her mental well-being and the lackluster response to CB.

E=MC2 was Emancipation's second verse. Cruise Control indeed. "The Voice" that was all over the previous album was scaled back in exchange for rapid staccato singing and party songs, and Mariah herself lost interest after Touch My Body following her marriage to Nick.

As for Memoirs, handing the production of the entire album to The Dream was an error as the album sounded like one, long, continuous song. By track 11 it's like, enough with the finger snaps already.

I'd rather Mariah work with somebody totally new and different and interesting. But what do I know? As always, I wish her every success and happiness with her new projects and if LA Reid pulls it out the bag, then great.

So funny though. Everyone was baying for his blood when he started working with J.Lo. How quickly the tide turns.
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