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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do.

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Save the Day (110,377) by Bill from the UK
Never. She should've used Out Here On My Own as the lead single.
(Friday 8 August 2025; 11:28)
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Random thoughts about aging and beauty (110,335) by Bill from the UK
No one knows it because she's never mentioned it in any interviews before, but Mariah is actually a beauty school drop out.
(Tuesday 5 August 2025; 10:30)
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Sugar Sweet (110,216) by Bill from the UK
We all are. The Number 1 that never was.
(Wednesday 30 July 2025; 11:04)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,201) by Bill from the UK
It is hilarious isn't it. I don't think it's on YouTube anymore, but there was a short clip of her saying the "I would never lip sync" line that then cut to her performance of Boy (I Need You) on Top of the Pops, where she completely forgot there was a high note at the end and tried to mask it terribly. Brilliant edit lol.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 18:33)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,187) by Bill from the UK
This might very well be the most racist, ignorant, and offensive message ever posted on this forum.
(Tuesday 29 July 2025; 13:36)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,139) by Bill from the UK
There was a brief window of time, from the debut through to Unplugged, when Mariah was Mariah. This era is what I would deem the authentic Mariah. It was before she became heavily manicured and manufactured, and before her career was as calculated for success as during Music Box and Daydream. It was before she was married where, in Mariah's words, she married him hoping he would "lighten up" but it made him more insecure and controlling than he was beforehand. It was also before the diva persona took up residence and when she was a sincere and capable singer who said to Lorraine Kelly in 1990 "I would never lip sync", right after the Milli Vanilli scandal. Now we're lucky if we get a line sung live.

Of course nobody here wants her to be unhappy, even the OGs. But there was a spark she had in the beginning that dimmed over time. And really, can we honestly say she has been happy post-Tommy? People love to say post-1997 she was free and independent and happy, but that has never been the case. She's had a string of heartbreaks, career setbacks, and an image/creativity crisis in the decades that followed. She seemed momentarily happy and content with Nick and the arrival of the babies, but then that went south pretty quickly.

So, all we can do is love her. That can be supporting everything she does, or taking the hard decision to call out things that she perhaps shouldn't be doing.

When Mariah leaves us (I pray not for a long, long, long time), her career should be remembered for the incredible string of achievements she trail-blazed, the wonderful songs that captured a generation, a Christmas song that will endure forevermore, and being one of the greatest voices we have ever heard. Not as this caricature diva worried about lighting and splashes, being celebrated as the "Queen of shade" (that's not a good thing), wearing lingerie and lip synching to engineered vocals that cannot be replicated live.

But who am I?
(Monday 28 July 2025; 18:01)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,129) by Bill from the UK
Well put Jamie, thank you. Loving your posts lately. It's always difficult when an OG goes up against a Yaas Queen because we seem to be diametrically opposed. Lucky for us though the board allows all opinions to be voiced. Whether you're an OG, Yaas Queen, or a sweet innocent lamb that sits somewhere in between. We love everyone.

But some we love more than others.
(Monday 28 July 2025; 12:53)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,096) by Bill from the UK
Jamie thank you for putting so eloquently my exact thoughts. I think only the OG fans can relate to what you say, because we were there living those great moments live at the time. I don't think people get just how special she was and how she drew so many people to her by being an incredible talent, humble, and her good fortune of being naturally photogenic. Talk about hitting a jackpot. But then to see it descend year by year is so heartbreaking. Not just the voice, but the grace, the elegance, the class, the poise... sigh.

Right now you're gone, you just vanished away. But I'll never leave you behind. No, I'll never forget you.
(Saturday 26 July 2025; 17:33)
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The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,095) by Bill from the UK
Great post Eddie.
(Saturday 26 July 2025; 17:30)
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Jimmy Kimmel (110,065) by Bill from the UK
Had to give up on the interview halfway through. Host and Mariah were both boring.
(Friday 25 July 2025; 20:19)
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Sugar Sweet (110,028) by Bill from the UK
Well I doubt it will be the 20th number one. Astonishing that in 7 years she couldn't come up with anything even remotely different to what she's put in the last 20 years. Thumbs down. The only thing keeping me "here for it all" is the Clarke Sisters number and seeing what McCartney song she covered.
(Friday 25 July 2025; 08:26)
Webmaster request (110,008) by Bill from the UK
As the Reprimandee I feel it's my duty to wade in at this point and, once again, ask that you chill. Easy to remember. Rhymes with Bill.
(Thursday 24 July 2025; 17:07)
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Special guests (109,824) by Bill from the UK
Just on point 1, do we? Were the Super Festive version of AIWFCIY and the cursed Why You Mad actually any good? Bieber is so 2010.
(Saturday 19 July 2025; 15:45)
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Analysis of the MC16 rollout (109,819) by Bill from the UK
I do wonder if MC16 will get shelved now as T-Dang made zero impact on the charts despite the big budget video and, for Mariah at least, some light promotion. If she is genuinely aiming for another number one, sticking to the same formula you've been peddling since 1997 isn't going to cut it. I do genuinely think her "Believe" moment has the potential to happen, but as with Cher, it needs to be something totally left field and unexpected of her. But no, let's instead churn out another formulaic, tired, boring, sample-heavy 3 minute R&B ditty with childish lyrics and throw Busta on the remix. That should do it. Oh wait. It didn't.
(Saturday 19 July 2025; 09:00)
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The problem with Brad and hating ass hoes (109,793) by Bill from the UK
Type: Unhinged.
(Thursday 17 July 2025; 17:57)
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This next chapter is about owning my narrative and creating freely on my own terms (109,773) by Bill from the UK
Mariah's been saying that same tired old sentence with every album she's put out since Butterfly. Okay Tommy directed your first five albums and made you sing pop orientated ballads. We get it. You've made 10 albums since. What would be a good change of pace is her saying "I've collaborated with [name of hot new producer] and have handed the reigns over to them, putting my complete trust in their vision." Then I'd be interested in the output. Something tells me we're getting another album of same RnB with samples, a few rap features, and an introspective ballad thrown in somewhere. Prove me wrong Mariah.
(Wednesday 16 July 2025; 22:37)
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Vision of Love (109,748) by Bill from the UK
It was probably warranted to be fair. And lol as everyone should know by now I am never wrong.
(Tuesday 15 July 2025; 07:27)
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Vision of Love (109,747) by Bill from the UK
Not the Tommy tape. Those song titles were the tracks Mariah and Ben composed together for version 0.1 of the debut. As I said demos are made for every album of every song before it goes into proper production, and that screenshot of the tape with some song titles scribbled on it I’m not convinced is legitimate.
(Tuesday 15 July 2025; 07:22)
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Vision of Love (109,739) by Bill from the UK
So according to the official biography the demo tape (that Tommy snatched and played in his car at the party) had four songs on it. Alone In Love, All In Your Mind, Someday, and Do You Ever Wonder which remains unreleased to this day.

After signing to CBS and working on the album, the pair wrote Vision of Love and a number of other songs that formed the demo for the debut album. With any album, a number of tracks will be recorded in a demo format for the record company to vet, approve, reject, suggest amendments etc. Once the songs from the demo sessions are decided, they will then be taken forward to be worked on for the album and go through mixing, production and mastering to create the final version.

From all I know, Vision of Love was never on the original fateful demo tape presented to Tommy, but came immediately after when the ink was still drying on the contract.
(Monday 14 July 2025; 23:12)
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Unpopular opinions (109,731) by Bill from the UK
Vision of Love was written after she signed to CBS in celebration of that momentous event. It was a thank you to the good Lord above for getting her to that place. So it didn't exist at the point Clive was sniffing around.
(Monday 14 July 2025; 16:24)
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Unpopular opinions (109,718) by Bill from the UK
You're right there was a bidding war to sign her between Warners and, as it was back then, CBS records. When the "demo tape incident" happened at the party Brenda K Starr took her to, MC was already in negotiations with WB. I've no idea what numbers each party threw in, but all Mariah ever said about it was that it was CBS allowing her to write her own songs that sealed it for her. I think they could have even offered less money and she still would have gone with them on that element alone.

Clive Davis actually tried to buy the song Someday for Whitney, it was then that Mariah realised she could indeed write a good pop song and rather than selling it (as tempting as it was for a young girl "without a penny to her name") she retained it for herself and it gave her even more determination to become an artist in her own right.
(Sunday 13 July 2025; 18:33)
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Always Be My Baby (109,699) by Bill from the UK
I was listening to Heart 90s today whilst driving home with the hood down and the hot sun beaming down on my shoulders. The DJ announced "a great song from Mariah Carey after the break" and inwardly rolled my eyes at the thought of Hero coming on the radio. Imagine my surprise when the strumming guitar of Always Be My Baby came on instead. Instantly I was transported back to 1996 when that song last received radio play here in the UK. I don't know what exactly the radio does to make a song sound so much brighter and better, but it sounded so good. I remember loving the cover of the CD single and the remixes too.

What did strike me though was that the lyrics have a new meaning now. Mariah and I were as one for a moment in time. I genuinely did think she'd always be mine. Then she wanted to free, I let her fly, and now she's dripped in Balenci with some hatin' ass hoes. But such is life. She'll always be a part of me.
(Saturday 12 July 2025; 17:54)
Unpopular opinions (109,698) by Bill from the UK
The reason Mariah didn't sign with Warners was because they would not let her write her own material. So she would have been another Whitney or Celine, with songs provided and selected for her, and she merely interpret them as a singer.
(Saturday 12 July 2025; 17:46)
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Unpopular opinions (109,694) by Bill from the UK
The first point is interesting. The rumour once was that the real Mariah was happily married to Tommy, but died in 1996. The "new Mariah" came to take her place, but the separation and divorce was fabricated to present the new image and sound to detract from the fact the new Mariah's vocals were not up to the OG Mariah's. All the songs that were sung well (mainly ballads on Butterfly) were actually half finished left over songs the original Mariah had recorded but not yet released. Since then the voice has been AI and Mariah's been replaced every so often.
(Saturday 12 July 2025; 14:15)
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Unpopular opinions (109,674) by Bill from the UK
1. The Butterfly and Emancipation albums are good, but not great.
2. I Don't should have been on Caution.
3. The Art of Letting Go was the better album title.
4. All I Want for Christmas Is You is lyrically, musically, and compositionally the best thing she has ever done, and the best thing she will ever do. It will never be topped.
5. She needs to stop trying to chart. Those days are gone for her.
6. She looked better and came across better when under Tommy's guidance and management.
(Thursday 10 July 2025; 18:14)
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