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Rockin' Around #1 (104,401)
by Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 22:20) | | |
| Let's be happy for Brenda. Mariah will be number one again eventually. Other songs have been gaining popularity too. |
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This is a reply to message 104,398 by
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(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:04) | | |
It's officially #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. Congrats to Brenda Lee. I imagine Mariah is gracious and happy for her. Maybe this can further help against ageism and Mimi can get to #1 in decades to come still.  |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,399)
by Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 21:23) | | |
| Labels don't have that much control, period. They have been trying to make artists, songs and albums happen for the longest that never went anywhere. Streaming changed the game, stars and hits have come out straight out of YouTube, streamers gave them that. Promoting helps a lot to bring attention to projects, but people ultimately decide. AIWFCIY has been hitting the top spot for four years in an row, give me a fat effing non-delusional break. Mariah and her team haven't sat their asses down, they have been pushing AIWFCIY way more aggressively than Brenda and her team. Brenda didn't write RATCT, she basically doesn't profit much from it. Stop with the paranoia and conspiracy theories. Wait, I think you're right, the illuminati and Brenda are working together. Who is Brenda sacrificing for the top spot? A lamb, maybe. Who has been boycotting that frail old lady Brenda for four years now? |
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This is a reply to message 104,395 by
jaker20 from US
(Monday 4 December 2023; 19:02) | | |
Pedro's post isn't paranoia, is it actually true. I'm not sure you fulling understand how it works. A few days ago, you said labels have no control, and I explained to you how that is not true.
Labels can influence placement on playlists through Discovery Mode. It is a feature for artists which is some kind of digital payola, where labels received reduced royalty in exchange for prioritized placement. It is not pay by play, but if you understand algorithms, it is very effective.
The placement of a song in a playlist with millions of users is very consequential. Im not sure why you're comparing it to you playlist lol. They are not the same. Regular users normally plays a playlist pushed to them by the app, and then stop at a certain point. So makes a massive difference.
So the past few weeks, Mariah has not been added on some of the biggest curated playlists, until recently. Brenda's song has been on playlists mentioned below that often doesn't even have to do with Christmas. And that already works against Mariah in terms of boost from algorithms. It has a slower headstart.
Like I said, Brenda's team has been aggressive this year and we give them that credit. Mariah's hasn't, probably they felt they didn't need it which I think is a mistake. |
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Rockin' Around (Spotify position) (104,392)
by Edward from USA
(Monday 4 December 2023; 15:55) | | |
| That's not boycott or illegal. You don't have to listen to those playlists. Most people have their own playlists anyway, and Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Brenda wasn't at the top of some of those playlists before. Was she being boycotted since AIWFCIY hit number one? I thought we had moved on from the paranoia lambs tend to have about some mega powerful entity coming for Mariah. AIWFIY and RATCT are the Christmas hits they are because millions of people love them and got them there. You can discount, you can gift, you can pray, you can throw a lambtrum, but all that won't make a song popular or hit if people don't like it. |
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This is a reply to message 104,389 by
Pedro from Brazil
(Monday 4 December 2023; 14:27) | | |
| AIWFCIY was demoted on several Christmas playlists on Spotify, where it used to be in the top positions (some fans noticed that some playlists even removed the song). Boycott? RATCT was elevated on Spotify playlists, perhaps with help from the record label, which is why it's getting more plays than AIWFCIY. It's a question of position in the playlist. The higher it is, the more it will be played. |
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Emotions formula (104,376)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:56) | | |
| Have you been living under a rock? As an old time fan you should know about this performance. I'm hereby stripping you from your lamb status. Now you're just a regular fan. You'll regain you lamb status when you start purchasing and streaming AIWFCIY until it reaches number one again. |
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This is a reply to message 104,373 by
MusicfanJ from Germany
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:41) | | |
I love "If it's over". One of her best ballads and we know she has so many.  But I didn't know this live performance. Wow just wow. Mariah at her best. That's the reason why she's the one and only Mariah Carey. |
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Rockin' Around (104,375)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 19:49) | | |
| To be honest, I don't even know how RATCT is even competing with AIWFCIY. The latter is way more festive, the former would be like something to play on Christmas Eve. Maybe Mariah and Brenda agree to defrost together next Christmas seaon. |
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We lost the #1 (104,369)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 17:36) | | |
| Apple Music is bigger than Spotify here in America. While I would agree Spotifiy is bigger worldwide, local streaming is what counts towards the Hot 100. Mariah is ahead of Brenda on Apple Music. |
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This is a reply to message 104,365 by
jaker20 from US
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 15:39) | | |
I'm not so sure. Brenda's team have lined up an aggressive campaign this season and in the coming weeks. Spotify is on Brenda's side. Brenda's team is playing bunch of playlist gamifications this year. She's at the top of some of the biggest playlists on Spotify currently. For example, I just saw that they removed Mariah on that large "Christmas Is Coming" playlist with millions of users, and they just added her yesterday lol. That is just one.
Artists can deal with Spotify for higher playlisting and other algo boosts for lower pay royalty. This is perfectly legal by the way. So Mariah can be at the top in all other streaming platforms. But Spotify is where the geming is on. If Mariah does these she would be criticized lol. That's the problem with being at the top. |
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Emotions formula (104,361)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 14:03) | | |
That's what I call a perfectly executed performance. She made it seem so effortless. I used to shove these types of performances in people's faces  . Those were the days. |
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This is a reply to message 104,356 by
Jamie from UK
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:55) | | |
| Exactly Andrew, such a weak song, no emotion, no soul, no body. |
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We lost the #1 (104,351)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 04:11) | | |
| Billboard will publish the new chart on Monday, but tomorrow we'll know for sure. Brenda is ahead on Spotify but Apple Music is bigger on this side of the pond, and Mariah is ahead on that one. Mariah is also bigger in sales. It's kind of weird, when Mariah re-entered the chart at 17, Brenda was just bubbling under the Hot 100, then she re-entered at 8 and Mariah jumped to number 4. Judging by the pattern, Brenda is gathering steam way faster. I guess we lost this one. Congrats to Brenda. |
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This is a reply to message 104,350 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 03:45) | | |
Wow. We certainly did she this happening two weeks ago. If MC had done some special with AIWFCIY this year like a duet with Kelly Clarkson, she would have had nothing to worry about. I wish she would collaborate with other artists like she used to do. The next four weeks are going to be an intense battle for the top spot. And Tyla, water girl just dropped her new song On and On. She could take the streams away too from both songs by New Year's Eve.  |
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We lost the #1 (104,349)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 03:26) | | |
| If that's the case, I'm happy for her. Let's not forget it's a prediction, even though they're usually right. We still have Saturday to count. |
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This is a reply to message 104,347 by
Pedro from Brazil
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:52) | | |
| According to Talk of the Charts, Brenda will be #1. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,343)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 21:25) | | |
| I think Mariah reaches the top next week for such a small margine. Airplay, streaming and sales are all going to blow up from next week forward, it's a tight race, but Mariah is still ahead. |
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This is a reply to message 104,339 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:47) | | |
| I understand now. Oh well, it's going to be a victory or a sad day Tuesday. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,341)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:51) | | |
| Being triggered is one thing, but basically sabotaging an artist so they won't be number one is a different monster. Brenda's team's making sure she is promoting, she has a new video, she's giving interviews, she's on Tik Tok, she has an EP with different versions of the song. They are just making sure the song has the best chance at hitting the top spot, it's business. Just like Mariah has been doing it for years. |
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This is a reply to message 104,337 by
jaker20 from US
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:17) | | |
Everyone's jealous. That's all it is. Yes, Mariah's resurgent success has triggered a lot of people, even fans of more current pop girls. Labels, music media, execs, artists, industry people. They are seething. That's how you know that she’s doing something right.
Mariah [has] the best career. Having dominated an era. And then after her peak, comes a classic that will outlast everyone. No one has that combo, not Elvis, not The Beatles, not anyone. That's triggered a lot of people, the media, labels, execs, artists, industry people. Because that pushes her career above and beyond.
I think with her 18th no.1 15 years ago, she got a bit scared about actually beating [The Beatles]. Everyone's coming after her. I think she was unsure if she wanted it. But after AIWFCIY, she actually realized it's very achievable, and if she does the world won't implode. And if she doesn't, someone else will. I think Taylor will attempt it.
But I don't think Mimi cares about her critics anymore. She seems like she's just enjoying all of the icings on the cake.
As for Darlene, I was hoping that they would collab for Christmas BPCH. I was so sure it would be a classic. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,333)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 17:48) | | |
| Robert-Anthony, the music industry doesn't have much control over anything anymore. The music industry as we knew it, it's forever gone. They can't influence streaming platforms to block users from playing the music they like, radio just goes along with what's trending or they stay out of the game. Fans have more control, instead of calling like crazy to request, we just go and stream, everything is way different. As I have stated, these two songs have legs of their own, the one that makes it to number one will be based on its own merit and promotional push on big events. AIWFCIY is a pure number 1, people keep buying it after all these years, they keep playing it and streaming it, no gimmicks. If Mariah really wanted, she could break The Beatles' record, just three great collabs with Drake, Ariana and Taylor Swift should take her there. I don't really care for that record though, the way things are, Taylor will eventually top them both. |
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This is a reply to message 104,329 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 14:05) | | |
| The music business isn't a sweet easy going industry. Every artist will tell you that including sweet Dolly Parton. Record executives aren't playing nice when they are promoting a song to get it to number #1. There are some underhanded strategies being done behind the scenes to make it happen at the UMG executive offices. If RATCT goes to number #1, a huge television media frenzy will be made about it that week. Just my two cents from Texas. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,328)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:51) | | |
| I agree it's not a conspiracy. The wig post was a simple joke, chill. Now if she had shown a Christmas decorated nipple, that wouldn't be marketing. |
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This is a reply to message 104,327 by
The Real Deal from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:40) | | |
| What in the actual [censored]? It's not a conspiracy. It's called marketing a song that's already popular and trying to get it to #1. The same way Mariah markets AIWFCIY every year is no different then Brenda Lee putting out a music video for her song. Um, didn't MC make 4 videos for AIWFCIY? And whoever wrote the message "now that they slapped a blonde wig on Brenda" - are you serious? Stop trying to make a conspiracy out of everything when there is none. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,325)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 12:54) | | |
| I have no idea when or why it happened. There are many other great Christmas songs way better than it. The first time I listened to it was last year because she made it to the second spot. For me it is just a very basic song, that's all. I don't hate it, just don't care for it. |
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This is a reply to message 104,324 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 11:33) | | |
| Rockin Around The Christmas Tree is bloody awful. Why it is so popular in the United States is beyond comprehension. But, then, we are talking about a country that sprays cheese out of a can. I'll add it to the list of American Unforgivables. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,320)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 01:23) | | |
| Brenda's label just wants to capitalize on the success of the song, Mariah has been doing it since it 2017. While Mariah angered some of these ladies, I don't think there's a conspiracy to block her from reaching the top. Promotion makes a difference but these two songs have legs of their own. I think Brenda will snatch at least one week this Christmas season. She was reading comments from fans, and they were very sweet to her. There was a lamb who stated they would love for her to be number one. Brenda is a sweet lady. |
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This is a reply to message 104,318 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13) | | |
Thanks for the update, Edward. Seems like there is a considerable effort this year to keep MC from getting to number one or staying number one for multiple weeks this year. UMG is Brenda Lee's record label. They are really going all out this year with this huge promotional push to celebrate RATCT's 65th anniversary. But why now after 4 years of AIWFCIY being the number one Christmas song?
Well I think I know why. Some people in the music and television industry are tired of hearing MC being called the queen of Christmas. It started when MC wanted to trademark the Queen Of Christmas last year. She angered Darlene Love and Elizabeth Chan. Many in the music and television industry were angered by MC's trademark move as well. So, I feel this is their payback for MC attempting to take the queen of Christmas all for herself and from sweet Darlene Love. Everyone already feels sorrow for her how Phil Spector used her voice and she never was publicly credited on a lot the songs she did for him. Phil Spector controlled her early career and was content to leave her uncredited on the songs he did for him.
Do you think that I have hit on something? |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,315)
by Edward from USA
(Friday 1 December 2023; 18:28) | | |
| According to Talk of the Charts predictions, AIWFCIY will be number one next week, but judging by the numbers, RATCT might top it the week after. As I said, it's going to be an interesting journey for both songs. Maybe they'll alternate at the top, but Brenda would set a record almost impossible to break. Should she hit numbe one, RATCT would be the song with the longest time to get to the top spot, 65. She can have it though. Other than that, Brenda didn't write her song, so she doesn't make money from it really. We definitely need Mariah to dethrone Lil Nas. |
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Would you rather (104,308)
by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 21:57) | | |
| I haven't ever heard "Fairy Tale of New York'" on the radio or seen it on the charts here. It is definitely not a threat to AIWFCIY. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree is definitely a threat now that they threw a red blanket and a blonde wig on Brenda Lee and made a video for RATCT. I would love to see "Last Christmas" become a number one once Mariah has taken back her record for the longest running number one song. |
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This is a reply to message 104,306 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 18:47) | | |
That's very kind of you. She's doing well. It's not her time. I've told her she will know when her time comes because she will see me standing over her with a pillow. She's driving me bloody crazy.
Perhaps pm the subject matter and to loop back around to Mariah: Shane MacGowan of The Pogues has died. "Fairytale of New York" is a supermassive Christmas (especially Christmas Eve) song in the UK and Ireland. I think it's a given now that this will be the Christmas No.1 here with Mariah at No.2, hopefully.
Is "Fairytale of New York" a popular Christmas song in the United States? Does it pose a threat to Mariah there? It's truly brilliant (despite its use of the word "faggot" which should really be taken in context along with a chill pill or two).
I do hope The Pogues get the UK Christmas No.1. And that Shane MacGowan rests in peace. |
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Would you rather (104,304)
by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:24) | | |
| Why would Justin record a song with Mariah if he wasn't interested in getting it released? It doesn't make any sense. The song was [not] included on Charmbracelet simply because his label didn't want to. I think they were thinking business. |
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This is a reply to message 104,300 by
MusicfanJ from Germany
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 14:16) | | |
| There was a documentary about the nipplegate with Janet Jackson. And Justin didn't go well on the docu. That "Yours" with him as a duet wasn't released because he feared about his "good name" and career says it all. He's the real slim shady. Lol. |
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Would you rather (104,303)
by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:08) | | |
| So sorry to hear that about your Mom, Andrew. I hope she's getting better. |
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This is a reply to message 104,302 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 16:42) | | |
I agree with your sentiments: Immortality is a masterpiece and so dear to me. I left it on my mother's pillow when I left for University. She recently had a stroke and I played it on repeat between receiving the news and reaching her. The melody itself and the words "we don't say goodbye" are comforting in those terrifying moments when you think you might finally have to.
Unfortunately the album Immortality was on had a lot of filler and was way too heavy on the schmaltz. Without "My Heart Will Go On" I don't think it would have sold half as well as it did. |
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Quality non-album tracks (104,298)
by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 12:50) | | |
| It is. Here on this board it's Randy's Theme. |
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This is a reply to message 104,296 by
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(Thursday 30 November 2023; 05:11) | | |
| Isn't Randy's "Right to dream"? |
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Would you rather (104,289)
by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 00:40) | | |
| I think she's talking about Janet's nipple exposure at the Super Bowl and now Britney's revelation about her having an abortion when they were dating. I would like to hear the song though. |
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This is a reply to message 104,286 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Wednesday 29 November 2023; 22:54) | | |
| What's Justin Timberlake done that is "shady"? And only to women? To which women? |
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Would you rather (104,288)
by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 00:35) | | |
| What a coincidence, streamed a couple of documentaries on The Bee Gees last week. I didn't know Celine's Immortality, a very special song to me, had originally been written and sung by them. Andy stated they thought Immortality was the best song they had ever written. Sadly, Mariah lost confidence in her solo pen game a long time ago. |
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This is a reply to message 104,285 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Wednesday 29 November 2023; 22:41) | | |
I recently streamed a documentary on the Bee Gees and Andy Gibb. If you haven't seen it, I do recommended it - it's quite extraordinary.
One notable thing from it was the retelling of Barry Gibb's move into composing for other artists once the group's career had begun to wind down. He has surprisingly written many very well known and recognisable songs for other world famous artists. Mariah ought to have done this a long time ago. She may still yet have time.
In terms of her own releases, a duets album is preferential to a standard studio album that will chart one week only to disappear the next.
I don't know about you, but I am already over All I Want For Christmas Is You.
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by Edward from USA
(Wednesday 29 November 2023; 19:58) | | |
| Randy's Theme, Help Me Make It and Almost Home are three quality singles that should definitely be on The Rarities 2. |
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by Edward from USA
(Tuesday 28 November 2023; 12:52) | | |
| AIWFCIY jumps from 17 to 4. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree reenters at No 8. I thinks it's happening again like last year, AIWFCIY will top the charts next week. |
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Charts (104,226)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 26 November 2023; 04:08) | | |
| It re-entered the Hot 100 at No 17. Only three other Christmas songs re-entered the the chart this week, but AIWFCY is ahead of all of them. We can expect a high jump to the top five next week and the rest would be a fight to death, but I think, at least, it'll snatch a couple of weeks this season. |
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This is a reply to message 104,224 by
Tameka walker from United states
(Sunday 26 November 2023; 03:14) | | |
| Where is [All I want for Christmas is you] on the charts and what is the likelihood that it hits number one? |
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