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MB30 - reflections (103,520)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:50) | | |
| Could you be specific? What was recorded - when, for what and used when? |
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This is a reply to message 103,518 by
Bill from the UK
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:22) | | |
| The pre-records for Without You actually began in 1994 for the Christmas TOTP performance. Then again at MSG in 1895, the Tokyo Dome dates of the Daydream tour in 1996, and then from Butterfly tour onwards. |
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Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,519)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:48) | | |
| Do not pity yourself: pity the blind and stupid for not noticing your greatest. You are as a part of space and time as any atom at any point in the stretch of the knowable Universe. Nothing - and nobody - takes precedence over you in any objective moral reasoning. No atoms are more or less entitled to existence than the billions of which you are made. You are the perfect version of you surrounded, merely, by imperfect interpretations of you. We are all made of stars. And we all shit. Dry your eyes, Bobby-A. Or I don't even know you. |
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This is a reply to message 103,515 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:06) | | |
| Randy, your post about Butterfly brought tears to my eyes. Your comments are spot on. I remember Butterfly and how every song that year in 1997 was my life. It was the joy of Honey to the alienation in Outside that spoke about how my mother was treating me because she had a gay son. I must stop typing now to the wipe the tears from eyes. Butterfly is the real magnum opus. |
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MB30 - reflections (103,518)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 02:22) | | |
| The pre-records for Without You actually began in 1994 for the Christmas TOTP performance. Then again at MSG in 1895, the Tokyo Dome dates of the Daydream tour in 1996, and then from Butterfly tour onwards. |
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This is a reply to message 103,513 by
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(Saturday 16 September 2023; 16:30) | | |
I wonder why there wasn't a single live performance of "Never Forget You". It was technically a double A-side single release with "Without You" in the United States and got some airplay on R&B radio. I think it's a wonderful song and makes me wish Mariah had attempted more sessions with Babyface.
I have also always wondered why "Anytime You Need a Friend" disappeared from her set lists between 1996 and 2019. It's easily one of her best "single" releases and every bit as good as "Make It Happen", "Vision of Love", and her other gospel-style compositions. Maybe it was too demanding/hard to sing with the decline in her voice? "Without You" is pretty demanding as well, but she kept it in the setlist and didn't start using pre-recorded tracks for it until the "Charmbracelet" tour. |
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Butterfly (103,517)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:36) | | |
| Magnus Opus just means "Big Work", right? I think sometimes we confusingly think of it as the greatest? Perhaps I am splitting hairs. I offer that the greatest work must be Music Box for sheer popularity. The Seminal Work - that is to say, the work that affected all works after it - must surely be Daydream. I offer Butterfly up as the emminent work. |
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Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,516)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:24) | | |
Randy, I too celebrate turning 26 today but was not unwrapped in my father's basement until much later and unfortunately the evidence did not stand.
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This is a reply to message 103,514 by
Randy from USA
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 00:50) | | |
| While everyone is celebrating Music Box and incorrectly calling Daydream MC's artistic zenith, I'd like to interject and celebrate the real magnum opus, Butterfly, which turns 26 today. On this day, 26 years ago I unwrapped the cellophane off of this CD in my fathers basement and popped it in the disc changer. I never before heard an album where every song is a single. Every verse reads like poetry. And every vocal is astounding. Rasp, falsetto, belting and whistles are all used here. My biggest issue with R&B music is artists always sing about romantic love or break ups. This Pop/R&B album includes songs about childhood pain and alienation. It is in one word stunning. Happy anniversary to Mariah's favorite. And the best album of all time. From any artist. |
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Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,515)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 01:06) | | |
| Randy, your post about Butterfly brought tears to my eyes. Your comments are spot on. I remember Butterfly and how every song that year in 1997 was my life. It was the joy of Honey to the alienation in Outside that spoke about how my mother was treating me because she had a gay son. I must stop typing now to the wipe the tears from eyes. Butterfly is the real magnum opus. |
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This is a reply to message 103,514 by
Randy from USA
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 00:50) | | |
| While everyone is celebrating Music Box and incorrectly calling Daydream MC's artistic zenith, I'd like to interject and celebrate the real magnum opus, Butterfly, which turns 26 today. On this day, 26 years ago I unwrapped the cellophane off of this CD in my fathers basement and popped it in the disc changer. I never before heard an album where every song is a single. Every verse reads like poetry. And every vocal is astounding. Rasp, falsetto, belting and whistles are all used here. My biggest issue with R&B music is artists always sing about romantic love or break ups. This Pop/R&B album includes songs about childhood pain and alienation. It is in one word stunning. Happy anniversary to Mariah's favorite. And the best album of all time. From any artist. |
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Happy 26th to the real magnum opus (103,514)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 17 September 2023; 00:50) | | |
| While everyone is celebrating Music Box and incorrectly calling Daydream MC's artistic zenith, I'd like to interject and celebrate the real magnum opus, Butterfly, which turns 26 today. On this day, 26 years ago I unwrapped the cellophane off of this CD in my fathers basement and popped it in the disc changer. I never before heard an album where every song is a single. Every verse reads like poetry. And every vocal is astounding. Rasp, falsetto, belting and whistles are all used here. My biggest issue with R&B music is artists always sing about romantic love or break ups. This Pop/R&B album includes songs about childhood pain and alienation. It is in one word stunning. Happy anniversary to Mariah's favorite. And the best album of all time. From any artist. |
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MB30 - reflections (103,513)
by BFF from United States
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 16:30) | | |
I wonder why there wasn't a single live performance of "Never Forget You". It was technically a double A-side single release with "Without You" in the United States and got some airplay on R&B radio. I think it's a wonderful song and makes me wish Mariah had attempted more sessions with Babyface.
I have also always wondered why "Anytime You Need a Friend" disappeared from her set lists between 1996 and 2019. It's easily one of her best "single" releases and every bit as good as "Make It Happen", "Vision of Love", and her other gospel-style compositions. Maybe it was too demanding/hard to sing with the decline in her voice? "Without You" is pretty demanding as well, but she kept it in the setlist and didn't start using pre-recorded tracks for it until the "Charmbracelet" tour. |
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This is a reply to message 103,478 by
Bill from the UK
(Thursday 14 September 2023; 10:08) | | |
Now some time has passed, here are my thoughts.
Disc 1:
I've always loved the album, and never understood the group of fans that dismissed it. It's beautifully sung, expertly recorded, it showed more nuances to her voice than before, and her "pen game" as you kids call it these days for some reason, was superb. A 23 year-old writing Anytime You Need a Friend, Never Forget You, Hero, Dreamlover, Everything Fades Away? Wow. Speaking of Everything Fades Away, it was pleasing Mariah included this on the 'original' album. I know over the years each side of the pond has stated their case for the better finish to the album. Perhaps we can agree that All I've Ever Wanted is a gorgeous finale and send off, whereas Everything Fades Away is the hauntingly beautiful epilogue? Looking at this site's discography, more versions of the album included it than didn't, and it seems like Mariah herself views it as the true ending to the album.
Disc 2:
Okay wow. It's strange how on The Rarities, All I Live For was just, there. It was a pleasant little bop, but I was like "yeah, I get why it was left off." How is the extended version like a thousand times better? Honestly it elevates the song to a whole new level, and her vocals are astonishing. Great to see Luther added, as I always viewed Endless Love as part of the Music Box era, and was surprised the album never got re-issued to include it after it did so well. Workin' Hard and My Prayer I can't keep away from. I adore them. I am so sad they were locked up in the vault for 30 years, but look at them now having their day in the sun. The TOTP performances and remixes I am happy with, especially as the two full-length 10-minute epic and iconic club mixes were included. The only small hang up I have is with Hero (2009 Version). Firstly, it was recorded in 2008, so let's get that out the way. Second, I think I would have preferred the Spanish version to be included as it was 'of the time', whereas this was a good stretch afterwards, so it feels somewhat out of place. Everything else is from the period (save the two new mixes). I detested the re-recording when it came out to promote The Ballads, but as I have mellowed I see it was what it was. It's fine now, I'm at peace with it, but yeh. It's the only point where I pause briefly.
Disc 3:
We all love Proctor's Theatre don't we. What a concert. For many of us, the first one we saw. I also had two worn out VHS in my time, and then switched to the DVD when that was issued. It is my go-to 'comfort' concert. Whenever I've had a bad day and I need lifting up, or I'm perturbed by the world and all what's going on, I watch it. It takes me back to childhood, the wonder that was early Mariah, the nostalgia I wallow in, the happy memories it invokes. Like a few of you, every move, hand gesture, giggle, is committed to memory. Having it on audio is so, so good.
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Again, I never had an issue with the original cover. It was a bit botched on the cassette version as she was half a head, but the CD always looked beautiful. It gave a Marilyn Monroe vibe, and had a certain simplicity to it. The uncropped version is equally as nice though. If anyone's gone into panic mode over the physical release having a big border around the original cover, this is a slip case that will reveal the uncropped cover beneath it.
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,512)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 15:04) | | |
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This is a reply to message 103,509 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 05:08) | | |
| Andrew is just messing you. I had to toughen up during MIAM era because he criticized my every post. Then I realized he just wanted my special guest star status. Lol. I am glad that Andrew is back because I am stronger and wiser now. Since he has been back, I grown to like him even more. So what I am saying is just smile and laugh about his posts on the board. He is really just a harmless sweet tiger. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,511)
by Norman from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 07:57) | | |
| No offense, but are you new here? Andrew isn't a blind follower - quite the opposite. If anything, he's probably taking the piss. |
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This is a reply to message 103,506 by
Brandon from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 02:53) | | |
| My comment was out of concern for Mariah and nothing else. As a dedicated lamb from the beginning, I can be concerned and question things as I see them. You choose to follow blindly and that's ok for you. I want the best for MC and if something doesn't look right, I will speak on it. With that being said, I hope everything is ok and that we get to see more of her healthy soon. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,510)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 05:49) | | |
| Andrew is so spot-on here. Follow blindly, is the irony missing on you? |
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This is a reply to message 103,506 by
Brandon from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 02:53) | | |
| My comment was out of concern for Mariah and nothing else. As a dedicated lamb from the beginning, I can be concerned and question things as I see them. You choose to follow blindly and that's ok for you. I want the best for MC and if something doesn't look right, I will speak on it. With that being said, I hope everything is ok and that we get to see more of her healthy soon. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,509)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 05:08) | | |
| Andrew is just messing you. I had to toughen up during MIAM era because he criticized my every post. Then I realized he just wanted my special guest star status. Lol. I am glad that Andrew is back because I am stronger and wiser now. Since he has been back, I grown to like him even more. So what I am saying is just smile and laugh about his posts on the board. He is really just a harmless sweet tiger. |
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This is a reply to message 103,506 by
Brandon from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 02:53) | | |
| My comment was out of concern for Mariah and nothing else. As a dedicated lamb from the beginning, I can be concerned and question things as I see them. You choose to follow blindly and that's ok for you. I want the best for MC and if something doesn't look right, I will speak on it. With that being said, I hope everything is ok and that we get to see more of her healthy soon. |
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90s R&B Mariah covers (103,508)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 04:53) | | |
I would be so elated if Mariah coverd my two favorite 90s R&B songs.
1. Soon As I Get Home
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,507)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 03:37) | | |
| It was only that I didn't want to ruin our MB 30 celebration and MC mania about new music since FILAC (a Christmas song). Also, I learned growing up in a small Baptist church is that you don't comment on someone's sudden weight loss. What I saw or heard at church stayed right on the pew or in the Sunday School classroom. |
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This is a reply to message 103,505 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:58) | | |
| "Yes I do concur. I have thusly not kept silence on anything at all anywhere on any subject any time. But I have also thought for 14 days that Mariah was demonstrating said unspecified behaviour deviating from her normal abnormal self to the point of abnormality in that it was not normal. But I just decided to not mention this one thing ever. In all the things I say about Mariah - most of which, too, are completely without substantiation and me just guessing and throwing out random baseless opinions. But *this* I kept to myself." |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,506)
by Brandon from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 02:53) | | |
| My comment was out of concern for Mariah and nothing else. As a dedicated lamb from the beginning, I can be concerned and question things as I see them. You choose to follow blindly and that's ok for you. I want the best for MC and if something doesn't look right, I will speak on it. With that being said, I hope everything is ok and that we get to see more of her healthy soon. |
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This is a reply to message 103,502 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:44) | | |
| So, if I may rephrase: "I am inferring that Mariah, in unspecified videos, was under the inflluence of drugs which I cannot see or name, leading to indeterminate behaviour, for which I have no evidence to present." Slow down there, Columbo. Don't crack the case too early, you won't make the end of the show. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,505)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:58) | | |
| "Yes I do concur. I have thusly not kept silence on anything at all anywhere on any subject any time. But I have also thought for 14 days that Mariah was demonstrating said unspecified behaviour deviating from her normal abnormal self to the point of abnormality in that it was not normal. But I just decided to not mention this one thing ever. In all the things I say about Mariah - most of which, too, are completely without substantiation and me just guessing and throwing out random baseless opinions. But *this* I kept to myself." |
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This is a reply to message 103,501 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 15 September 2023; 23:05) | | |
| I noticed that two weeks ago, but didn't want to say anything. The weight loss was so sudden. I pray all is well. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,504)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:53) | | |
| "And is there anyone else who can vouch for this? Step forward and ye shall be heard?" "Yes, m'Lord. I can definitely say that Mariah was in and indeterminately determined mood so as to appear delayed. Usually she is perfectly perfect and never demonstrates a demonstration of demonstrable delay. But she definitely had delay. Of what type and in what way I could not say. If it has been determined, I could not demonstrate how. And would remonstrate if you were to ask." |
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This is a reply to message 103,500 by
Myles from CT, USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 21:43) | | |
| I have been thinking the same exact thing. She seems heavily medicated and delayed. She looks stunning though. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,503)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:49) | | |
| To add to the very detailed indictment, steps forward a witness: "Yes, I didst see Mariah at the scene of the crime. She was definitely in some unspecified videos of an indeterminate nature and under the influence of some drugs that I could neither see nor name." - "Would you characterise her behaviour as normal?" - "No. She's normally perfectly normal. But this time, she was abnormal and not the normal normal she normally is." |
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This is a reply to message 103,499 by
Edward from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 20:12) | | |
| I also noticed that. She sounds and looks a little odd, but it is what it is, probably she was medicated. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,502)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 01:44) | | |
| So, if I may rephrase: "I am inferring that Mariah, in unspecified videos, was under the inflluence of drugs which I cannot see or name, leading to indeterminate behaviour, for which I have no evidence to present." Slow down there, Columbo. Don't crack the case too early, you won't make the end of the show. |
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This is a reply to message 103,498 by
Brandon from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 17:52) | | |
| While I'm enjoying this moment of MB30, I hate to be a negative Nancy, but did MC seem a bit "medicated" in those videos? She looked beautiful but something seemed a little bit off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I'm a very long time fan and can notice when she's a little different and there was something interesting going on here. Plus she's pretty much been MIA for a while. Maybe it's just me. Let me know what you guys think. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,501)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 15 September 2023; 23:05) | | |
| I noticed that two weeks ago, but didn't want to say anything. The weight loss was so sudden. I pray all is well. |
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This is a reply to message 103,498 by
Brandon from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 17:52) | | |
| While I'm enjoying this moment of MB30, I hate to be a negative Nancy, but did MC seem a bit "medicated" in those videos? She looked beautiful but something seemed a little bit off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I'm a very long time fan and can notice when she's a little different and there was something interesting going on here. Plus she's pretty much been MIA for a while. Maybe it's just me. Let me know what you guys think. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,500)
by Myles from CT, USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 21:43) | | |
| I have been thinking the same exact thing. She seems heavily medicated and delayed. She looks stunning though. |
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This is a reply to message 103,498 by
Brandon from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 17:52) | | |
| While I'm enjoying this moment of MB30, I hate to be a negative Nancy, but did MC seem a bit "medicated" in those videos? She looked beautiful but something seemed a little bit off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I'm a very long time fan and can notice when she's a little different and there was something interesting going on here. Plus she's pretty much been MIA for a while. Maybe it's just me. Let me know what you guys think. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,499)
by Edward from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 20:12) | | |
| I also noticed that. She sounds and looks a little odd, but it is what it is, probably she was medicated. |
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This is a reply to message 103,498 by
Brandon from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 17:52) | | |
| While I'm enjoying this moment of MB30, I hate to be a negative Nancy, but did MC seem a bit "medicated" in those videos? She looked beautiful but something seemed a little bit off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I'm a very long time fan and can notice when she's a little different and there was something interesting going on here. Plus she's pretty much been MIA for a while. Maybe it's just me. Let me know what you guys think. |
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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,498)
by Brandon from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 17:52) | | |
| While I'm enjoying this moment of MB30, I hate to be a negative Nancy, but did MC seem a bit "medicated" in those videos? She looked beautiful but something seemed a little bit off to me. I can't put my finger on it. I'm a very long time fan and can notice when she's a little different and there was something interesting going on here. Plus she's pretty much been MIA for a while. Maybe it's just me. Let me know what you guys think. |
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All I Live For differences Rarities/Extended (103,497)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Friday 15 September 2023; 12:55) | | |
| This video is perfect, thank you. |
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This is a reply to message 103,494 by
RJJ12 from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 02:01) | | |
| Here is a video that points out the differences between the two versions. My theory is she found the Rarities version first and put that on Rarities. She found the extended version later and put that on MB30. A second theory is she found both but put the simpler version on Rarities and saved the extended for MB30 so she she had more to give us and help make the repurchase of an old album worth it. Not sure why some fans are complaining on why we got both and should have just got the extended. Honey was said to have 100 different vocal takes Puffy had to chose from. I wouldn't mind getting different Honey vocal takes on B30. I like both versions for different reasons. I prefer the verses from Rarities as she sings them much simpler and sticks to the melody more but I like the climax on the extended better. My version would be a blend of both. Th Rarities verses and the ending vocal climax of the extended. |
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Why is Mariah's not releasing more albums? (103,496)
by Lady B from USA
(Friday 15 September 2023; 04:44) | | |
| Lol those artists are combined 40+ years older than her. She's got time. |
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This is a reply to message 103,488 by
jaker20 from US
(Thursday 14 September 2023; 20:21) | | |
Mariah's albums: 15 studio albums, 2 soundtrack albums, 8 compilation albums, 4 extended plays, and 1 remix album. Total 30 albums.
Madonna's albums: 15 studio albums, 3 soundtrack albums, 6 live albums, 7 compilation albums, and 39 other limited releases. Total 70 albums.
Barbra Streisand albums: 36 studio albums, 11 compilations, 11 live albums, and 15 soundtracks. Total 73 albums.
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