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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,864) by Lighty from China
What same label? Arista/BMG had nothing to do with Sony back in 1992 just as James Horner and Will Jennings had nothing to do with The Power of the Dream. Point is, I mostly agree with you on Mariah's bitterness towards Celine. It's just that facts are facts, I can't help but point out some of the false information here.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:40)
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Nah (112,863) by Dave from USA
I highly doubt Celine was even a factor specifically for Mariah at that time. She was too busy being free and/or worrying about the moves Tommy was obviously making behind the scenes. MC was the 90's. They all were successful, but that was Mariah's peak. I highly doubt MC was pressed to that degree at all to the point of any bitterness on that scale. Besides, her artistic shift changed from the total pop sound.

Having been one of the OG fans that saw DL in real time for that performance decades ago, I thought the same thing that MC stated in her book, that being "Why is Celine taking over like that over all of them, especially Aretha?" I just figured later that that was how she performed, but it stood out when it happened back then and all the way until MC mentions it in her book. I felt people were being overdramatic about Mariah's comments about Celine in her book to make it seem way bigger than it was.

Obviously, Celine didn't care either way.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:31)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,862) by Lighty from China
Simply because your information is incorrect. James Horner and Will Jennings have nothing to do with The Power of the Dream.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:28)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,861) by Lambi from USA
I used a reconstructed list based on Sony-family artists. 1992 is a crossover year. Whitney can be argued due to The Bodyguard’s late-year impact. Different metrics, same label. And even if I wrote Mariah for 92, that only makes my point stronger about the frustration of her post-95 decline. So what exactly are these none-debunkings supposed to do?
(Friday 2 January 2026; 02:12)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,860) by Lambi from USA
You're mixing up songwriting credits with production credits and versions. The Power of the Dream was originally written by James Horner and Will Jennings for the 96 Atlanta Olympics, that's the composition Céline performed and the collaboration people refer to.

David Foster, Linda Thompson, and Babyface were involved later on the commercial recording/album version, mainly in production and adaptation, which is why their names appear in liner notes.

So yes, they contributed, but that doesn't erase Horner and Jennings as the original writers, or the fact that Horner and Céline had already worked together before Titanic. And how that was such a determining factor as to why Céline was the first and only choice for MHWGO.

I'm really sorry but you are objectively being annoying now, Lighty. Please refrain from the tiniest most insignificant and debunkable technicalities. Is that honestly all you have to add?
(Friday 2 January 2026; 01:54)
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Happy new year (112,859) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain
Happy new year, lambily. So proud of being part of this. Kiss and hugs.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 21:25)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,858) by Lambi from USA
Yeah, plenty of people have said that to me as well. I used to think it made sense at first glance, mainly because Mariah did have a career image change. But that argument start to fall apart when you look at the timeline. She quite literally did When You Believe the year after MHWGO's release. Mariah was definitively still doing ballads and was very much still in the Adult Contemporary arena. She even released Butterfly the song that same year, which is unmistakably Adult Contemporary.

Realistically, if she had been offered MHWGO, she likely would have tried to protect her integrity by asking about the movie and proposing a new song. Probably something less schmaltzy. She offers an alternative, it gets rejected because James Cameron is fully locked into his vision. At that point, Mariah understands that the film world operates differently and decides this is the most expensive movie ever made, so she just does what they asked of her, to just sing and that's the end of it.

And no, by 97 she may have started with Lead The Way, but the songs she was writing at that time were fully intended for the Butterfly album. Mariah herself has revealed that the songs that ended up on Rainbow were initially meant for Glitter. Because she was eager to get out and complete the number of albums she still owed Sony, she went ahead and released another album anyway. That is exactly why Rainbow was done in three months.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 18:59)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,857) by TJ from Norway
You say: "In my honest opinion, Mariah was simply bitter about Celine being positioned to carry on her torch as the best Sony selling artist. So she chose to make fun of how corny the MHWGO music video was by responding with a much stronger, more refined aesthetic built around the same theme. It was a silent clap back."

I really can't remember Mariah being bitter about that song (or Celine), or making fun of it back in the 90's. But I might have forgotten it. Do you think the video for My All is less corny than MHWGO? I'm not sure.

Another thing is that Whitney was not a part of Sony Music back in 1993 and therefore wasn't their biggest selling female artist that year.

About the Divas Live concert. I have always been thinking that Mariah said what she said about respecting the queen of soul and not trying to outshine her as a result of the fact that her voice was in a bad shape on that concert. She wasn't able to try to go where Celine did that day.

The voice you hear on the CD/DVD is dubbed in some parts and not what they aired on VH1. It was very notable on the duet with Aretha.

On the other hand I don't think Celine did anything wrong that night. Why on earth isn't it OK to show the world what you are made of?
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 16:57)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,856) by Jamie from UK
I'd say it was more because Céline stuck to her trade. Mariah post 96 lost a lot of support with the direction she took. I'm not personally saying it was a bad thing, as I like both directions she had. But she lost a lot of fans who didn't like the change.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 16:13)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,855) by Lighty from China
Whitney was on Arista/BMG in 1992, and the merge between Sony and BMG didn't start until 2004. Sorry for getting technical again.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 15:32)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,854) by Lighty from China
If we still get technical, The Power of the Dream was written and produced by David Foster, Linda Thompson and Babyface. None of them had anything to do with MHWGO. But I get your point, Celine had sung too many theme songs by that point of her career.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 15:25)
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Article: Mariah thrills at Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve 2026 (112,853) by Zachariah from Croatia
She slayed.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 15:06)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,852) by Lambi from USA
Well no, Mariah never intended My All to ever be a theme song. Her being involved in movies was a clear no no. If you read her book, the song was organically inspired by Derek Jeter, not by any film concept or soundtrack opportunity. Sony would have never pitched any of her songs to be theme songs to begin with. If she were ever involved in that space, it would mean exposure to movie theme song scorers, movie directors, and writers. Mariah would have connections. Soundtracks are often used as stepping stones into acting, which is a very common path, and that would naturally lead to deeper film involvement. That kind of access and independence is exactly what Tommy heavily avoided for her at the time.

In my honest opinion, Mariah was simply bitter about Celine being positioned to carry on her torch as the best Sony selling artist. So she chose to make fun of how corny the MHWGO music video was by responding with a much stronger, more refined aesthetic built around the same theme. It was a silent clap back.

Here's the list of Sony's best selling artist in the 90s, just so you can see the picture clearer and understand how tight the competition truly was:

1990: Mariah
1991: Mariah
1992: Whitney
1993: Mariah
1994: Mariah
1995: Mariah
1996: Celine
1997: Celine
1998: Celine
1999: Celine

Post 95, Celine absolutely dominated Mariah. It's easy to see why Mariah felt some type of way. It hit even harder because she worked twice, if not three times, as hard, writing basically every song on her records while carrying the pressure of being Sony's standard-bearer. Her competitor only sang, and the contrast was impossible to ignore. This is exactly what I mean when I say Mariah inevitably developed a misplaced disdain towards Céline. Sony backed her rival with songwriters and resources, creating a level of support that was clearly imbalanced and frustrating for anyone in her position, who wrote every freaking song. By Divas Live, her frustration towards Céline was on full display. None of the other girls said a word about Celine's brief battle with Aretha, it was only Mariah who let it show. And it most likely stemmed from a deep-rooted issue of feeling heavily undervalued by Sony, for years.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 13:58)
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Happy New Year everyone (112,851) by Bobby A from United States
Happy New Year everyone. I wish everyone a blessed and properous new year. Thank you Eric for keeping the board going for 28 years.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 13:57)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,850) by MusicfanJ from Germany
Okay. Hmm I just never compared it with Titanic. More like an art video. I'll have to think about it. For me it's just a beautiful black and white video. But I still can't imagine Mariah staying on the Titanic like Céline and singing MHWGO.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 13:56)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,849) by MusicfanJ from Germany
Haha that's too funny. Happy new year everyone.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 13:08)
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Happy New Year everyone (112,848) by Dove from United States
I'm wishing you all a peaceful and happy 2026.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 08:22)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,847) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
If Sony and Mariah didn't have friction, then Sony must have proposed for My All to be the theme song. Even the video having Mariah lying down in an upside down wooden boat in the middle of the ocean (studio set of course). The lyrics even said "and I won't pull through without you by my side" that is 100% interpretation of what Rose said "I won't let go" to Jack in the climax scene of them lying on the wreckage.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 07:16)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,846) by Lambi from USA
If you want to get technical. Celine had just worked with MHWGO songwriter a year before, for the theme song of the Olympics, Power of the Dream. They all boil down to the same point: she was sick of theme songs.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 04:12)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,845) by Lighty from China
Beauty and the Beast was released in 1991 so Celine hadn't "just done" that song. The one before MHWGO was Because You Loved Me (for Up Close & Personal, 1996), the first single of her massive Falling Into You album.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 03:17)
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Top posters 2025 (112,844) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands
The year 2025 has come to an end, so it's time for lists.

Top posters in 2025
1. Bobby A from United States: 641 messages
2. Edward from USA: 406 messages
3. Lambi from USA: 337 messages
4. Dove from United States: 250 messages
5. MusicfanJ from Germany: 245 messages
6. Jamie from UK: 228 messages
7. Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter: 198 messages
8. Zachariah from Croatia: 187 messages
9. TJ from Norway: 183 messages
10. Stacey from USA: 178 messages
11. Giovanni from USA: 175 messages
12. BFF from United States: 163 messages
13. Bill from the UK: 153 messages
14. jaker20 from US: 132 messages
15. T from USA : 119 messages
16. Shezz from Pk: 104 messages
17. Tevin from USA: 101 messages
18. Lighty from China: 88 messages
19. Anonymous from USA: 74 messages
20. Randy from USA: 71 messages
21. Haiji from United States : 59 messages
22. Xavier mariohmix from Spain: 59 messages
23. Terna from Nigeria: 59 messages
24. Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End: 50 messages
25. Lara from Middle East: 40 messages

Top posters all time
1. Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter: 4134 messages
2. B from USA: 3595 messages
3. Bobby A from United States: 3142 messages
4. RibbonB from USA: 2794 messages
5. Bill from the UK: 2570 messages
6. Edward from USA: 2481 messages
7. Licia from USA: 2267 messages
8. MusicfanJ from Germany: 1857 messages
9. Andrew from UK: 1384 messages
10. Stacey from USA: 1275 messages
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12. 123 from USA: 1055 messages
13. Terna from Nigeria: 935 messages
14. Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada: 798 messages
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17. Jamie from UK: 758 messages
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24. Andrew from the United Kingdom: 640 messages
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(Thursday 1 January 2026; 01:32)
Article: Mariah Carey's twins tower over her (112,843) by Dove from United States
We rarely see Mariah's kids. It feels like a snap here and there on her social media and maybe a few moments in her concert videos. Most people don't follow Mariah like we do.

I like how Beyoncé had her daughter dancing on tour with her. I saw a short of her when she first started, vs at the end of the tour, and she improved so much in just that time. I like that because she can get a taste for what it's like onstage without the pressure of being the main star. Then she can decide if it's something she wants to do or not. I'm not sure that's why they're doing it but if it is I think it's a good plan. That would have been my dream when I was young.

I wonder if Mariah's kids can sing.
(Wednesday 31 December 2025; 23:16)
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Cowboy Carey (112,842) by Giovanni from USA
Mariah was serving looks in Aspen in her cowboy hats and outfits. She looked so good and glamorous and it made me think of "Help me make it through the night". A very nice song that showcases Mariah's talent and diversity as an artist and singer that she really can sing anything. What are your thoughts Mimi L?
(Wednesday 31 December 2025; 20:50)
Daydream concert (112,841) by MusicfanJ from Germany
I'm just watching the Daydream concert on TV on 3sat. I will never get enough of it. A good way to start in the silvester evening.
(Wednesday 31 December 2025; 19:50)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,840) by Lambi from USA
Titanic-themed doesn't mean a shot-for-shot remake. The overturned boat in the middle of the vast ocean, that she's singing on, is the clearest Titanic reference, it's the aftermath of the sinking. Funny you said all that but completely missed the most obvious visual cue.
(Wednesday 31 December 2025; 19:39)
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