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If Mariah likes it, then I like it (104,357)
by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:55) | | |
She has always praised Stevie Wonder. I have a huge Stevie Wonder collection. Everytime that I hear That Girl, I think of MC.  |
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This is a reply to message 104,352 by
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What are some things that some of you have done because you saw Mariah did or liked? I have a few so I'll go first. When Mariah listed Four Christmases as one of her favorite Holiday movies I had to watch it even though I don't care much for Reese Witherspoon or Vince Vaughn. It was an okay movie. Also I bought her AIWFCIY plushie after I saw hers on her mantle or something like that on one of her social media posts. It was so fetch.  |
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by Jamie from UK
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 12:55) | | |
Exactly Andrew, such a weak song, no emotion, no soul, no body.  |
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This is a reply to message 104,346 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:17) | | |
| Let's remind ourselves what weak certainly does not look like. |
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We lost the #1 (104,355)
by Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 10:59) | | |
| She'll be #1 next week, Brenda can settle for number 3. |
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This is a reply to message 104,351 by
Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 04:11) | | |
| Billboard will publish the new chart on Monday, but tomorrow we'll know for sure. Brenda is ahead on Spotify but Apple Music is bigger on this side of the pond, and Mariah is ahead on that one. Mariah is also bigger in sales. It's kind of weird, when Mariah re-entered the chart at 17, Brenda was just bubbling under the Hot 100, then she re-entered at 8 and Mariah jumped to number 4. Judging by the pattern, Brenda is gathering steam way faster. I guess we lost this one. Congrats to Brenda. |
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Christmas songs (early bird special) (104,354)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 10:29) | | |
Hi Tevin, thanks for your suggested songs by Taylor. I liked them all but "Dear John" is my favourite. I always say I want a jazz album by Mariah which I still do. I think Mariah could also do some country, gospel and retro-soul. She can sing every genre like she never did something else. That's rare.  |
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This is a reply to message 104,161 by
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(Wednesday 22 November 2023; 03:51) | | |
| Dear John, Back to December and Enchanted are three beautiful songs from Taylor's album Speak Now. Give them a listen. It's no Butterfly album but she does have a decent pen game, even if it slightly sub par to Mariah's. Anyway let me know how you like those three songs, they are what made me a Taylor fan. |
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by Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 10:12) | | |
Well we agree to disagree now don't we ? No need to be aggressive about it and come with the name calling, getting all ruffled about a simple opinion. And "Chain of Fools" and "Think" Gospel inflected? Now that's a first, confusing Soul with Gospel. Get Your genres right Mr.  |
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This is a reply to message 104,348 by
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(Sunday 3 December 2023; 01:09) | | |
| You lost me at "If It's Over" as filler. This is one of the best songs in her catalogue. Aretha did plenty of dark gospel-style breakup songs, see "Chain of Fools", "Think", etc. What a silly criticism of an excellent song. |
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If Mariah likes it, then I like it (104,352)
by Libra Lamb from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 10:07) | | |
| What are some things that some of you have done because you saw Mariah did or liked? I have a few so I'll go first. When Mariah listed Four Christmases as one of her favorite Holiday movies I had to watch it even though I don't care much for Reese Witherspoon or Vince Vaughn. It was an okay movie. Also I bought her AIWFCIY plushie after I saw hers on her mantle or something like that on one of her social media posts. It was so fetch. |
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We lost the #1 (104,351)
by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 04:11) | | |
| Billboard will publish the new chart on Monday, but tomorrow we'll know for sure. Brenda is ahead on Spotify but Apple Music is bigger on this side of the pond, and Mariah is ahead on that one. Mariah is also bigger in sales. It's kind of weird, when Mariah re-entered the chart at 17, Brenda was just bubbling under the Hot 100, then she re-entered at 8 and Mariah jumped to number 4. Judging by the pattern, Brenda is gathering steam way faster. I guess we lost this one. Congrats to Brenda. |
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This is a reply to message 104,350 by
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(Sunday 3 December 2023; 03:45) | | |
Wow. We certainly did she this happening two weeks ago. If MC had done some special with AIWFCIY this year like a duet with Kelly Clarkson, she would have had nothing to worry about. I wish she would collaborate with other artists like she used to do. The next four weeks are going to be an intense battle for the top spot. And Tyla, water girl just dropped her new song On and On. She could take the streams away too from both songs by New Year's Eve.  |
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by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 03:45) | | |
| Wow. We certainly did she this happening two weeks ago. If MC had done some special with AIWFCIY this year like a duet with Kelly Clarkson, she would have had nothing to worry about. I wish she would collaborate with other artists like she used to do. The next four weeks are going to be an intense battle for the top spot. And Tyla, water girl just dropped her new song On and On. She could take the streams away too from both songs by New Year's Eve. |
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This is a reply to message 104,349 by
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(Sunday 3 December 2023; 03:26) | | |
| If that's the case, I'm happy for her. Let's not forget it's a prediction, even though they're usually right. We still have Saturday to count. |
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by Edward from USA
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 03:26) | | |
| If that's the case, I'm happy for her. Let's not forget it's a prediction, even though they're usually right. We still have Saturday to count. |
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This is a reply to message 104,347 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:52) | | |
| According to Talk of the Charts, Brenda will be #1. |
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Emotions formula (104,348)
by BFF from United States
(Sunday 3 December 2023; 01:09) | | |
| You lost me at "If It's Over" as filler. This is one of the best songs in her catalogue. Aretha did plenty of dark gospel-style breakup songs, see "Chain of Fools", "Think", etc. What a silly criticism of an excellent song. |
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:06) | | |
Let's count the fillers on "Emotions" shall we?
1. "And you don't Remember" - I rarely play this song, it just isn't strong enough and is indeed one of her weaker ballads with a high note thrown in just because.
2. "So Blessed" - I personally love this song, but I also recognize it ain't no classic and quite forgettable. Even Mariah herself was like "oh please which so blessed" when the lambs made her pick an absolute favorite in a versus format a few years back.
3. "You're So Cold" - Oh my, what a waste of space a better song would've occupied and it was 5 whole minutes long, hideous. Skipped every single time.
4. "If it's Over" - Another weak ballad with a high note thrown in. This song actually is sort of disjointed, as its feel doesn't match the lyrics. It is a breakup song that sounds Gospel. With the gospel sound, one expects to hear an uplifting lyric or inspiring one, but this is dark. She got it right with "I am free" and "Anytime you need a friend".
This record was also kinda what turned the general public off her high notes because the placements came across as "just because", and with such a display on the title track, the rest should've had it toned way down in the background like on "Can't Let Go". The saving grace for this album are her vocals which are top notch capturing just how powerful her instrument is. |
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by Pedro from Brazil
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:52) | | |
| According to Talk of the Charts, Brenda will be #1. |
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Emotions formula (104,346)
by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:17) | | |
| Let's remind ourselves what weak certainly does not look like. |
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This is a reply to message 104,340 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:49) | | |
| [If it's over] weak. I think not. |
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by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 22:08) | | |
| Sure, I'll sit down. Put a cushion under your head though so you're comfortable. |
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This is a reply to message 104,334 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 19:25) | | |
"E=MC2 is definitely a better record than The Emancipation of Mimi." I didn't bother reading the rest.  Sit down Andrew. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,344)
by jaker20 from US
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 21:51) | | |
I'm responding to your post about you saying "the music industry does not have much control over anything anymore" which is incorrect. And everything you explained contradicted yourself. 
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This is a reply to message 104,341 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:51) | | |
| Being triggered is one thing, but basically sabotaging an artist so they won't be number one is a different monster. Brenda's team's making sure she is promoting, she has a new video, she's giving interviews, she's on Tik Tok, she has an EP with different versions of the song. They are just making sure the song has the best chance at hitting the top spot, it's business. Just like Mariah has been doing it for years. |
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by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 21:25) | | |
| I think Mariah reaches the top next week for such a small margine. Airplay, streaming and sales are all going to blow up from next week forward, it's a tight race, but Mariah is still ahead. |
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This is a reply to message 104,339 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:47) | | |
| I understand now. Oh well, it's going to be a victory or a sad day Tuesday. |
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by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 21:20) | | |
| MC was going for a more polished than over-produced second album. I think that she accomplished that. Tommy probably was not too happy with the end result and album sales. I am sure he told MC after MTV Unplugged that she needs a huge pop album for her third album. Hence, Music Box was created and fulfilled Tommy's desires. Her creativity just got better and better after MB. She better bring it with MC16. |
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:49) | | |
| [If it's over] weak. I think not. |
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Mariah vs Brenda (104,341)
by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:51) | | |
| Being triggered is one thing, but basically sabotaging an artist so they won't be number one is a different monster. Brenda's team's making sure she is promoting, she has a new video, she's giving interviews, she's on Tik Tok, she has an EP with different versions of the song. They are just making sure the song has the best chance at hitting the top spot, it's business. Just like Mariah has been doing it for years. |
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This is a reply to message 104,337 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:17) | | |
Everyone's jealous. That's all it is. Yes, Mariah's resurgent success has triggered a lot of people, even fans of more current pop girls. Labels, music media, execs, artists, industry people. They are seething. That's how you know that she’s doing something right.
Mariah [has] the best career. Having dominated an era. And then after her peak, comes a classic that will outlast everyone. No one has that combo, not Elvis, not The Beatles, not anyone. That's triggered a lot of people, the media, labels, execs, artists, industry people. Because that pushes her career above and beyond.
I think with her 18th no.1 15 years ago, she got a bit scared about actually beating [The Beatles]. Everyone's coming after her. I think she was unsure if she wanted it. But after AIWFCIY, she actually realized it's very achievable, and if she does the world won't implode. And if she doesn't, someone else will. I think Taylor will attempt it.
But I don't think Mimi cares about her critics anymore. She seems like she's just enjoying all of the icings on the cake.
As for Darlene, I was hoping that they would collab for Christmas BPCH. I was so sure it would be a classic. |
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by Jamie from UK
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:49) | | |
| [If it's over] weak. I think not. |
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This is a reply to message 104,335 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:06) | | |
Let's count the fillers on "Emotions" shall we?
1. "And you don't Remember" - I rarely play this song, it just isn't strong enough and is indeed one of her weaker ballads with a high note thrown in just because.
2. "So Blessed" - I personally love this song, but I also recognize it ain't no classic and quite forgettable. Even Mariah herself was like "oh please which so blessed" when the lambs made her pick an absolute favorite in a versus format a few years back.
3. "You're So Cold" - Oh my, what a waste of space a better song would've occupied and it was 5 whole minutes long, hideous. Skipped every single time.
4. "If it's Over" - Another weak ballad with a high note thrown in. This song actually is sort of disjointed, as its feel doesn't match the lyrics. It is a breakup song that sounds Gospel. With the gospel sound, one expects to hear an uplifting lyric or inspiring one, but this is dark. She got it right with "I am free" and "Anytime you need a friend".
This record was also kinda what turned the general public off her high notes because the placements came across as "just because", and with such a display on the title track, the rest should've had it toned way down in the background like on "Can't Let Go". The saving grace for this album are her vocals which are top notch capturing just how powerful her instrument is. |
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by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:47) | | |
| I understand now. Oh well, it's going to be a victory or a sad day Tuesday. |
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This is a reply to message 104,333 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 17:48) | | |
| Robert-Anthony, the music industry doesn't have much control over anything anymore. The music industry as we knew it, it's forever gone. They can't influence streaming platforms to block users from playing the music they like, radio just goes along with what's trending or they stay out of the game. Fans have more control, instead of calling like crazy to request, we just go and stream, everything is way different. As I have stated, these two songs have legs of their own, the one that makes it to number one will be based on its own merit and promotional push on big events. AIWFCIY is a pure number 1, people keep buying it after all these years, they keep playing it and streaming it, no gimmicks. If Mariah really wanted, she could break The Beatles' record, just three great collabs with Drake, Ariana and Taylor Swift should take her there. I don't really care for that record though, the way things are, Taylor will eventually top them both. |
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by Jamie from UK
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:44) | | |
| Emotions is one of her best albums. Full of soul and maturity. I'd chose this album over the debut any day. |
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This is a reply to message 104,316 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00) | | |
I'll just say this, between those two records, one is on the cusp of being certified Diamond - her third if I might add, while the other still has a long way to go (the numbers never lie). There's a reason why "Vision of Love" and "Love Takes Time" were the songs chosen for the tribute - they are instantly recognizable classics (even in that time), that have stood the test of time, the kind of songs seasoned songwriters would kill to have to their credit, written by a then 19 year old  a testament in itself and can only be found on the most stellar debut ever by an artist - Mariah Carey. |
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by jaker20 from US
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:17) | | |
Everyone's jealous. That's all it is. Yes, Mariah's resurgent success has triggered a lot of people, even fans of more current pop girls. Labels, music media, execs, artists, industry people. They are seething. That's how you know that she’s doing something right.
Mariah [has] the best career. Having dominated an era. And then after her peak, comes a classic that will outlast everyone. No one has that combo, not Elvis, not The Beatles, not anyone. That's triggered a lot of people, the media, labels, execs, artists, industry people. Because that pushes her career above and beyond.
I think with her 18th no.1 15 years ago, she got a bit scared about actually beating [The Beatles]. Everyone's coming after her. I think she was unsure if she wanted it. But after AIWFCIY, she actually realized it's very achievable, and if she does the world won't implode. And if she doesn't, someone else will. I think Taylor will attempt it.
But I don't think Mimi cares about her critics anymore. She seems like she's just enjoying all of the icings on the cake.
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This is a reply to message 104,329 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 14:05) | | |
| The music business isn't a sweet easy going industry. Every artist will tell you that including sweet Dolly Parton. Record executives aren't playing nice when they are promoting a song to get it to number #1. There are some underhanded strategies being done behind the scenes to make it happen at the UMG executive offices. If RATCT goes to number #1, a huge television media frenzy will be made about it that week. Just my two cents from Texas. |
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by jaker20 from US
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:15) | | |
| Um Spotify has its own version of digital payola, with reduced royalties for some kind algorithmic boost via playlists. And Brenda's team have been very aggressive this year, having multiple versions included in playlists and having it strangest playlists like pop and teen playlists. These are Spotify curated playlists. |
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This is a reply to message 104,333 by
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(Saturday 2 December 2023; 17:48) | | |
| Robert-Anthony, the music industry doesn't have much control over anything anymore. The music industry as we knew it, it's forever gone. They can't influence streaming platforms to block users from playing the music they like, radio just goes along with what's trending or they stay out of the game. Fans have more control, instead of calling like crazy to request, we just go and stream, everything is way different. As I have stated, these two songs have legs of their own, the one that makes it to number one will be based on its own merit and promotional push on big events. AIWFCIY is a pure number 1, people keep buying it after all these years, they keep playing it and streaming it, no gimmicks. If Mariah really wanted, she could break The Beatles' record, just three great collabs with Drake, Ariana and Taylor Swift should take her there. I don't really care for that record though, the way things are, Taylor will eventually top them both. |
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by Terna from Nigeria
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 20:06) | | |
Let's count the fillers on "Emotions" shall we?
1. "And you don't Remember" - I rarely play this song, it just isn't strong enough and is indeed one of her weaker ballads with a high note thrown in just because.
2. "So Blessed" - I personally love this song, but I also recognize it ain't no classic and quite forgettable. Even Mariah herself was like "oh please which so blessed" when the lambs made her pick an absolute favorite in a versus format a few years back.
3. "You're So Cold" - Oh my, what a waste of space a better song would've occupied and it was 5 whole minutes long, hideous. Skipped every single time.
4. "If it's Over" - Another weak ballad with a high note thrown in. This song actually is sort of disjointed, as its feel doesn't match the lyrics. It is a breakup song that sounds Gospel. With the gospel sound, one expects to hear an uplifting lyric or inspiring one, but this is dark. She got it right with "I am free" and "Anytime you need a friend".
This record was also kinda what turned the general public off her high notes because the placements came across as "just because", and with such a display on the title track, the rest should've had it toned way down in the background like on "Can't Let Go". The saving grace for this album are her vocals which are top notch capturing just how powerful her instrument is. |
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This is a reply to message 104,317 by
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(Friday 1 December 2023; 23:23) | | |
| I would 1000% agree with all saying that Emotions is the superior album, far and away. The debut sounds so dated in 2023, where as Emotions has a pure timelessness to it, plus one of Mariah's more unique album art (meaning not just a close up of her face, or in a power stance). |
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by Terna from Nigeria
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 19:25) | | |
| "E=MC2 is definitely a better record than The Emancipation of Mimi." I didn't bother reading the rest. Sit down Andrew. |
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This is a reply to message 104,323 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 11:29) | | |
"The numbers never lie"? Do you mean sales equate quality? That's a dangerous path to walk when talking Mariah Carey albums. Is every album that sold more than Butterfly better than it? Many will agree, but a great many will disagree. I will say this, an as example: E=MC2 is definitely a better record than The Emancipation of Mimi, despite selling far less.
What, then, if you had to select three post-1997 ballads to be sung to Mariah in tribute at an awards show would you and others select? They need to be well-known and within the capability of the artists selected to sing them. |
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by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 17:48) | | |
| Robert-Anthony, the music industry doesn't have much control over anything anymore. The music industry as we knew it, it's forever gone. They can't influence streaming platforms to block users from playing the music they like, radio just goes along with what's trending or they stay out of the game. Fans have more control, instead of calling like crazy to request, we just go and stream, everything is way different. As I have stated, these two songs have legs of their own, the one that makes it to number one will be based on its own merit and promotional push on big events. AIWFCIY is a pure number 1, people keep buying it after all these years, they keep playing it and streaming it, no gimmicks. If Mariah really wanted, she could break The Beatles' record, just three great collabs with Drake, Ariana and Taylor Swift should take her there. I don't really care for that record though, the way things are, Taylor will eventually top them both. |
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Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 14:05) | | |
| The music business isn't a sweet easy going industry. Every artist will tell you that including sweet Dolly Parton. Record executives aren't playing nice when they are promoting a song to get it to number #1. There are some underhanded strategies being done behind the scenes to make it happen at the UMG executive offices. If RATCT goes to number #1, a huge television media frenzy will be made about it that week. Just my two cents from Texas. |
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