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Emotions formula (104,332) by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 15:17)
So true. My my mother has the "original" debut vinyl from 90, she bought it right after hearing the phenomenal "Vision of love". I didn't know she had her debut. But when I became a fan with Daydream, she told me she loved "Vision of love". She also loves Sade, I have my musical taste from her.
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This is a reply to message 104,322 by Stacey from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 06:56)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,331) by BFF from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 15:11)
Brits sent the song "Sausage Rolls for Everyone" to #1 at Christmas time, so y'all don't have a leg to stand on in this regard.

I'm not worried about Brenda Lee. I like the song, but Mariah's song is superior. They're different styles of song by different types of singers, so there's really no comparison here.
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This is a reply to message 104,324 by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 11:33)
Emotions formula (104,330) by BFF from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 15:00)
I agree. "Emotions" is far and away a better album than the debut. The debut album is over-produced and lacks the personality and Mariah-ness that MC brought to subsequent albums.

Early on, Mariah correctly lamented that the record label watered down her sound for the album. I like the four singles and "Vanishing" from the album, but that's about it. I don't think I've ever listened to it all the way through.

The label really should have tried harder to support the "Emotions" album. It felt like they purposely held back on promotional push in order to "reign Mariah in" from taking more creative control and going in a more R&B/soul-based direction.
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This is a reply to message 104,314 by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Friday 1 December 2023; 17:17)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,329) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 14:05)
The music business isn't a sweet easy going industry. Every artist will tell you that including sweet Dolly Parton. Record executives aren't playing nice when they are promoting a song to get it to number #1. There are some underhanded strategies being done behind the scenes to make it happen at the UMG executive offices. If RATCT goes to number #1, a huge television media frenzy will be made about it that week. Just my two cents from Texas.
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This is a reply to message 104,327 by The Real Deal from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:40)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,328) by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:51)
I agree it's not a conspiracy. The wig post was a simple joke, chill. Now if she had shown a Christmas decorated nipple, that wouldn't be marketing.
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This is a reply to message 104,327 by The Real Deal from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:40)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,327) by The Real Deal from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:40)
What in the actual [censored]? It's not a conspiracy. It's called marketing a song that's already popular and trying to get it to #1. The same way Mariah markets AIWFCIY every year is no different then Brenda Lee putting out a music video for her song. Um, didn't MC make 4 videos for AIWFCIY? And whoever wrote the message "now that they slapped a blonde wig on Brenda" - are you serious? Stop trying to make a conspiracy out of everything when there is none.
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This is a reply to message 104,318 by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,326) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 13:33)
It's the tad sprinkle of the wall of sound and rockabilly country influences combined that made it a popular Christmas song.
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This is a reply to message 104,325 by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 12:54)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,325) by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 12:54)
I have no idea when or why it happened. There are many other great Christmas songs way better than it. The first time I listened to it was last year because she made it to the second spot. For me it is just a very basic song, that's all. I don't hate it, just don't care for it.
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This is a reply to message 104,324 by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 11:33)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,324) by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 11:33)
Rockin Around The Christmas Tree is bloody awful. Why it is so popular in the United States is beyond comprehension. But, then, we are talking about a country that sprays cheese out of a can. I'll add it to the list of American Unforgivables.
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This is a reply to message 104,315 by Edward from USA
(Friday 1 December 2023; 18:28)
Emotions formula (104,323) by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 11:29)
"The numbers never lie"? Do you mean sales equate quality? That's a dangerous path to walk when talking Mariah Carey albums. Is every album that sold more than Butterfly better than it? Many will agree, but a great many will disagree. I will say this, an as example: E=MC2 is definitely a better record than The Emancipation of Mimi, despite selling far less.

What, then, if you had to select three post-1997 ballads to be sung to Mariah in tribute at an awards show would you and others select? They need to be well-known and within the capability of the artists selected to sing them.
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This is a reply to message 104,316 by Terna from Nigeria
(Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00)
Emotions formula (104,322) by Stacey from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 06:56)
I think MC could have recorded the phone book for her debut album and been successful. Her voice was so amazing and so unheard of at the time. She truly is a once in a generation artist.
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This is a reply to message 104,316 by Terna from Nigeria
(Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,321) by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 02:34)
So who is the victim of who now?
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This is a reply to message 104,318 by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,320) by Edward from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 01:23)
Brenda's label just wants to capitalize on the success of the song, Mariah has been doing it since it 2017. While Mariah angered some of these ladies, I don't think there's a conspiracy to block her from reaching the top. Promotion makes a difference but these two songs have legs of their own. I think Brenda will snatch at least one week this Christmas season. She was reading comments from fans, and they were very sweet to her. There was a lamb who stated they would love for her to be number one. Brenda is a sweet lady.
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This is a reply to message 104,318 by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,319) by Lee from USA
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 01:02)
The weird thing about this is that these folks don't care about Darlene in the first place. The woman worked with Cher this year, and still no difference in Billboard chart position. Love threw a tantrum and still got smoked in the charts. Brenda's song came out 36 years before AIWFCIY and has been around for 5-6 decades, and the label finally cares about it.
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This is a reply to message 104,318 by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,318) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 2 December 2023; 00:13)
Thanks for the update, Edward. Seems like there is a considerable effort this year to keep MC from getting to number one or staying number one for multiple weeks this year. UMG is Brenda Lee's record label. They are really going all out this year with this huge promotional push to celebrate RATCT's 65th anniversary. But why now after 4 years of AIWFCIY being the number one Christmas song?

Well I think I know why. Some people in the music and television industry are tired of hearing MC being called the queen of Christmas. It started when MC wanted to trademark the Queen Of Christmas last year. She angered Darlene Love and Elizabeth Chan. Many in the music and television industry were angered by MC's trademark move as well. So, I feel this is their payback for MC attempting to take the queen of Christmas all for herself and from sweet Darlene Love. Everyone already feels sorrow for her how Phil Spector used her voice and she never was publicly credited on a lot the songs she did for him. Phil Spector controlled her early career and was content to leave her uncredited on the songs he did for him.

Do you think that I have hit on something?
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This is a reply to message 104,315 by Edward from USA
(Friday 1 December 2023; 18:28)
Emotions formula (104,317) by Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Friday 1 December 2023; 23:23)
I would 1000% agree with all saying that Emotions is the superior album, far and away. The debut sounds so dated in 2023, where as Emotions has a pure timelessness to it, plus one of Mariah's more unique album art (meaning not just a close up of her face, or in a power stance).
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This is a reply to message 104,316 by Terna from Nigeria
(Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00)
Emotions formula (104,316) by Terna from Nigeria
(Friday 1 December 2023; 21:00)
I'll just say this, between those two records, one is on the cusp of being certified Diamond - her third if I might add, while the other still has a long way to go (the numbers never lie). There's a reason why "Vision of Love" and "Love Takes Time" were the songs chosen for the tribute - they are instantly recognizable classics (even in that time), that have stood the test of time, the kind of songs seasoned songwriters would kill to have to their credit, written by a then 19 year old a testament in itself and can only be found on the most stellar debut ever by an artist - Mariah Carey.
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This is a reply to message 104,314 by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Friday 1 December 2023; 17:17)
Mariah vs Brenda (104,315) by Edward from USA
(Friday 1 December 2023; 18:28)
According to Talk of the Charts predictions, AIWFCIY will be number one next week, but judging by the numbers, RATCT might top it the week after. As I said, it's going to be an interesting journey for both songs. Maybe they'll alternate at the top, but Brenda would set a record almost impossible to break. Should she hit numbe one, RATCT would be the song with the longest time to get to the top spot, 65. She can have it though. Other than that, Brenda didn't write her song, so she doesn't make money from it really. We definitely need Mariah to dethrone Lil Nas.
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Emotions formula (104,314) by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Friday 1 December 2023; 17:17)
""Emotions" was also a near sophomore slump that just wasn't as strong as the first record, neither were the tunes even as memorable like the debut."

I must differ, also. But go with me here, you may be surprised how this ends. "Emotions", the album, is superior to "Mariah Carey", its predecessor. The former has 80's-hangover style production, far less sophisticated lyrics, and basic tunes on half the record. The latter has the title track, Can't Let Go, Make It Happen, So Blessed and the majestic Till The End of Time - it is, in every aspect, superior. "Mariah Carey" had to have a great ballad shoe-horned onto the end of it to make it better. It is thus far the only MC album I have never owned.

However, everything else in your post is *cough* spot on. The singing style, too-clever melodies and over-production is old hat. It makes it very difficult for songs to be sung in karaoke or in tribute.

It is slightly frustrating that in tribute to Mariah she - and we - had to listen to Vision of Love and Love Takes Time. She has written over one hundred songs since then. But what successful ones can be reproduced? I think we all need and want to move past the pre-No.1's catalogue, right?

Chest voice not head voice. Semi-tone keychange not octave keychange. Simple structure chord progression not complicated altered second verse with no middle eight chord progression. Meaningful Universal lyrics not Fritos kitchen window lyrics. On trend producers not, well, Jermaine Dupri.
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This is a reply to message 104,297 by Terna from Nigeria
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 11:11)
Would you rather (104,313) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 1 December 2023; 15:50)
Maybe MC had him to sing in his chest voice to match her chest vocals on Yours.
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This is a reply to message 104,312 by Zachariah from Croatia
(Friday 1 December 2023; 13:18)
Would you rather (104,312) by Zachariah from Croatia
(Friday 1 December 2023; 13:18)
I might get hate for this but to me, Yours is not that good of a song that should be receiving so much attention. I mean, I really don't want to hear Justin's squeaky falsetto voice there as well.
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This is a reply to message 104,311 by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Friday 1 December 2023; 10:43)
Would you rather (104,311) by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Friday 1 December 2023; 10:43)
Yes, it may be only business. But I still believe he isn't the nice guy everyone thinks he is. I always liked the other Nysnc [sic] members more. Lol. One thing is sure Justin was always very clever in his entertainment business. I have a feeling that "Yours" won't be released soon. We'll see if Mariah surprises us.
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This is a reply to message 104,304 by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 17:24)
Would you rather (104,310) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 1 December 2023; 00:53)
We are going to hear Yours one day when a young new Universal Music Group executive is searching through MC's vault curious about her Island Def Jam years. I wonder if we could start a Yours campaign to get heard sooner. My Rarities II X campaign has gotten me 107 extra followers since August.
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This is a reply to message 104,300 by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 14:16)
Stream (104,309) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 21:59)
Rockin Around The Christmas Tree and Last Christmas just got a bunch new streams since NBC's Rockefeller Christmas special last night. These two songs will be #2 and #3 next week with MC. Stream heavy this weekend because they may overtake MC's top spot before January. I love the streaming battle that is happening this year just for the fun of it. Can someone post a Talk of the Charts update today or tomorrow?
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This is a reply to message 104,293 by Tameka walker from United states
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 02:09)
Would you rather (104,308) by Edward from USA
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 21:57)
I haven't ever heard "Fairy Tale of New York'" on the radio or seen it on the charts here. It is definitely not a threat to AIWFCIY. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree is definitely a threat now that they threw a red blanket and a blonde wig on Brenda Lee and made a video for RATCT. I would love to see "Last Christmas" become a number one once Mariah has taken back her record for the longest running number one song.
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This is a reply to message 104,306 by Andrew from United Kingdom
(Thursday 30 November 2023; 18:47)
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