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Best song intro (102,777)
by Randy from USA
(Saturday 27 May 2023; 18:13) | | |
| Both Vision of Love and Fantasy (the pop version) have this dramatic ominous tone that lets you know some sh*t is about to go down. |
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This is a reply to message 102,774 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 27 May 2023; 04:02) | | |
| The intro to Fantasy is MC's best song intro. |
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Martyn Hett (102,766)
by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 24 May 2023; 22:34) | | |
| Andrew, you and I have had our ups and downs but the fact that you make sure that this board memorializes Martyn yearly, warms my spirit and speaks strongly of your heart. I and this board misses you. And we miss Martyn. I know this board squabbles but we are definitely family and regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender or nationality, we all love MC and deep down we now all love each other. Martyn always showed love to Mariah and all of us. May he rest in paradise. |
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This is a reply to message 102,755 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Monday 22 May 2023; 00:49) | | |
Hi Eric. It is good to see your website still going strong.
Six years have passed since Martyn's light was so sadly extinguished at the Manchester Arena (May 22, 2016). Martyn was effortlessly fair-minded, generous of spirit and had a wonderful sense of humour. His death and the deaths of those other souls who perished in the attack was senseless.
I wonder if you would mark the anniversary of his passing somehow on your site as he was, if anything, one of the all-time greatest Mariah fans and an avid visitor to your messageboard. So much time has now passed that it is not difficult to forget and move on.
But I thought perhaps to remind you to rekindle the memory of him in those that may still post on your board who posted way way back when... that he was here, he was as one of us and (as in his favourite song) he will be loved till the end of time.
I wish you well. Andrew. |
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My issue with Rainbow (102,753)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 21 May 2023; 15:18) | | |
| I think your problem with me is that I speak the truth and always have receipts. And yes I will be a broken record until we find out what happened in 1997. But I said some positive things about Rainbow the album. I waited outside of Sam Goody for 20 minutes until they opened. I had the Rainbow album cover on the back of my bathroom door. I don't hate MC. Never did. I hate MC's deceit. And I still love you Terna. |
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This is a reply to message 102,752 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 21 May 2023; 14:11) | | |
Excuse you? Speak for yourself Robert.  The only thing he leads here is negativity and confusion, trying to bring Mariah down with every chance he gets. As well as being a broken record that plays only two songs. "What happened to her voice since 1997" and "Right to dream".  |
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My issue with Rainbow (102,748)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 21 May 2023; 02:18) | | |
| I swear, I really do not come here to be negative. But that era introduced something insidious. Mariah's first lip sync was on the Oprah show in 1997 when she lipped Butterfly. Afterwards she sang everything for Butterfly and #1s live. When the promotion for Rainbow started that's when she started regularly lipping climaxes. Look at the ten thousand performances of Can't Take That Away. I agree with you the album is amazing from start to finish. But that was around the time Mariah started deceiving us live so I can't wave the Rainbow flag. |
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Good Lord, just enjoy the show (102,715)
by Randy from USA
(Thursday 11 May 2023; 23:29) | | |
| I was taken aback by your original message but hell, I say what I want so you should be able to too. We are a dysfunctional family so it's no need to apologize. I think what's also frustrating to the negatives is that even though Christina Aguilera, Fantasia have lost some range, they still sound like themselves during the verses of their songs and only may struggle or duck the climaxes. MC doesn't even seem to be able to sing her verses. And to add insult to injury, to see Xscape, Chanté Moore and Patti Labelle still burning stages down in the last two years. Yea, I know. I know. MC has nodules, her voice is different, she has nuances in the way she sings, belting is boring as hell, the stage was too hot, the dressing room was too cold, she has the sniffles, a black cat crossed her path etc. You get the drift. |
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This is a reply to message 102,713 by
jaker20 from US
(Thursday 11 May 2023; 17:38) | | |
I'm sorry for causing drama, I knew as soon as I clicked submit, I regretted it immediately. You all have the right to criticize MC, but sometimes the words so extra. The suggestion that she has to get a surgery is a bit much, but I know you have every right to say what you want.
I was just disappointed. I enjoyed the show, and then when I come here, it's all negative. And it is the same all the time. Maybe I am just not getting it. Maybe I am living in another dimension. But some lambs are just happy to see Mariah, and maybe I have low standards lol, and then each time after that, you come here and it's all negative.
I already know that her voice is not the same. So I don't have these high standards, so I just enjoy the music and seeing her out and performing on stage having fun with everyone is all that matters. I'm sorry again, I didn't mean to be harsh.  |
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Randy follow up (102,694)
by Randy from USA
(Tuesday 9 May 2023; 01:23) | | |
| That would be three but what kills me about this whole thing is how the internet keeps giving her writing credits. The only reason I thought she co-wrote All My Life was because if you google it all of the sites say she wrote it with Rick James. I don't know why she didn't collaborate on Almost Home. Isn't that Stargate whom she's worked with before? But yea the internet has me stating the wrong information and you know how much I'm about the truth. |
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This is a reply to message 102,693 by
Bill from the UK
(Monday 8 May 2023; 23:38) | | |
Hi Randy, not that I'm one to spend my life trying to disprove others, but I knew deep down in my soul something was telling me Mariah didn't write "Almost Home" and I finally remembered. It was in her memoir, she wrote this:
"I love to collaborate with people, but in the rare instances when I've done other people's songs, I haven't liked it. There was a Disney song I did five, six years ago called "Almost Home", and I never really liked it. No offence to whoever wrote it, and I did it because Disney wanted me to do it, but it didn't feel like me at all."
So where does this leave us with our tally? |
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Maybe I'm missing something? (102,683)
by Randy from USA
(Monday 8 May 2023; 12:39) | | |
| So I watched the concert and to be honest, this is how MC has sounded since Caution. No better no worse. The strained sustained notes to prove she can sing. The cutting up of long notes and adding stacatto "hey hey". The moments of clarity that we all know are backing tracks. Background singers singing verses that don't have backgrounds on verses on the original. The fidgeting with the ear monitor. The tossing the hair from side to side when she lips a note in case she miscounted how long to keep her mouth open. All of this is normal. So to come here and see you guys say it's a new low or it's bad baffles me. Some of you are acting like the house just caught fire. It burned down a long time ago. |
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All My Life (102,666)
by Randy from USA
(Saturday 6 May 2023; 12:27) | | |
| Bill, I stand corrected. On the innanet (webmaster please leave that spelling for dramatic effect) people have wrongfully given MC a songwriting credit, but I checked my Glitter CD and you are right. Rick James wrote All My Life. Then, me being the nerd I am, looked to see if it is a cover from one of his album cuts or something. It's not. There is a rumor that it's an old song he wrote for the Mary Jane girls but that can't be substantiated. So here's where we unreal fans stand. There are two songs in the Mariah Carey catalogue that she has recorded that are not remakes that she did not have a hand in writing. When You Believe and All My Life. |
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame plus Tony (102,660)
by Randy from USA
(Friday 5 May 2023; 04:48) | | |
| Ummmm Bill dahling, I did some digging and MC is given writing credits on both All My Life and Almost Home so I think my statement stands. When You Believe is the only original song she has recorded with no writing credit on. Webmaster E. That's your rap name. I think the award is for the lyrics and melody. I don't think it was awarded for only the film version or they would've had the actresses sing it at the Oscars and not MC and Whitney. I think no matter what you do to a song musically, the lyric and melody credit always goes to the original songwriter and the producer that adds to or changes it still doesn't get writing credit, just whatever producer credit he's entitled to because he added to it. |
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This is a reply to message 102,657 by
Bill from the UK
(Thursday 4 May 2023; 23:34) | | |
All My Life from Glitter and Almost Home were also original songs that Mariah didn't write.  |
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame plus Tony (102,655)
by Randy from USA
(Thursday 4 May 2023; 22:17) | | |
| The award goes to the songwriter. That I believe is the only original song, she's ever done that she didn't write. |
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This is a reply to message 102,653 by
MusicfanJ from Germany
(Thursday 4 May 2023; 20:10) | | |
I thought she did win an Oscar for "When you believe" with Whitney? I think I misunderstood it. But yes, an Oscar for a movie song should be possible.  |
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame plus Tony (102,650)
by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 3 May 2023; 21:07) | | |
| Edward, I think that original song Oscar could be hers. Eminem and John Legend have won it. Almost Home and Right To Dream are great songs. You know I'm the eternal optimist. |
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This is a reply to message 102,649 by
Edward from USA
(Wednesday 3 May 2023; 20:58) | | |
She'll eventually be inducted, Randy, just be patient. As for an EGOT, well, she could definitely get an EGT. Even if her fairy godmother turned her into a great actress, I doubt she would ever get an Oscar. It's OK though, she doesn't need it.
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Rock & Roll Hall of Fame plus Tony (102,647)
by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 3 May 2023; 17:25) | | |
| So again MC doesn't make it? And every relevant pop diva has (Madonna, Janet and Whitney). I'm disgusted. But yass queens and delusionals will say she doesn't need it, she's broken records and she's a legend in her own right. The Tony award nomination is exciting. Imagine if MC was to eventually earn an EGOT. She should've been nominated for an Oscar for Right To Dream. Oh shut up y'all. |
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Legacy (102,605)
by Randy from USA
(Saturday 22 April 2023; 03:34) | | |
| One of the things that bother me with the newer fans, delusionals and yass queens is the over celebration of AIWFCIY. A few years ago the older Stans were on here arguing what MC's signature song was. We tentatively settled on Hero. But now it's clear what she's going to be known for if this yearly record keeps happening. I think that the noise around that song fades away some of the most amazing singer songwriter compositions ever recorded. Mariah Carey is more than some relic you drag out of the closet and dust off on November 1st. Another damaging thing that the newer fans, delusionals and yass queens celebrate is her whistle register. Yes it is lovely. But that register doesn't make a great singer. I remember in the promotion for Emotions she said she didn't use it more on the track because she didn't want it to become a gimmick. She laid off it quite a bit on Music Box and Daydream but when the voice changed around #1s it was on full display for Rainbow. I think it's a crutch used to prove she can still sing. But if you have lost your belting register, are you gonna whistle your next albums? I just worry that Mariah's career is in a bleak spot and people are shining spotlights on things that narrow her legacy to a whistling Christmas act. Thoughts? |
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Maybe an EP or a Maxi Single? (102,595)
by Randy from USA
(Thursday 20 April 2023; 23:43) | | |
| I do agree that MC is going to lose fans if she doesn't release an album soon, however, I don't know if releasing a studio album is profitable for her anymore. I'm noticing that Cardi B hasn't released her second album. Many other acts wait a long time between albums. We got spoiled by the 90s. Maybe MC could give as an EP or a maxi-single with different versions like I Still Believe or My All/Stay Awhile. It would have to be a killer single though not an Infinity or I Don't. |
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New Mariah titles (one word) (102,552)
by Randy from USA
(Thursday 13 April 2023; 23:36) | | |
| I love Reign but it does sound like a greatest hits title. And the last thing we need is another repackaging of the number ones. I still say Harmony is the best out of all of our titles thus far. You know what else we don't need is another discussion by us or interview with MC discussing her race. That discussion is as tired as a whistle on a 14 minute version of Bliss. |
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This is a reply to message 102,545 by
Norman from USA
(Thursday 13 April 2023; 06:14) | | |
| Reign, dahling. Reign. |
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New Mariah titles (one word) (102,536)
by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 12 April 2023; 01:00) | | |
So Bill, I wasn't feeling your list. So I asked AI for ten titles that were one word in keeping in line with Emotions, Daydream, Butterfly, Rainbow and Glitter. I still didn't like the list lol but I think Harmony is the best no? And she has already touched on a lot of these lol.
Phoenix
Radiance
Serendipity
Euphoria
Enchantment
Harmony
Whimsy
Mirage
Infinity
Nostalgia
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I think an album is coming (102,519)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 9 April 2023; 19:40) | | |
| I think she always goes on vacation before promotion. In addition, it's been awhile since Caution. Furthermore, it's been quiet lately. We all know MC can make an album in three months. And for the record I like Rainbow. Her voice is not in great shape but she is the queen of studio magic. Even if MC is not signed, she can easily announce a signing and an album at the same time. What do y'all think? |
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Music Box (102,502)
by Randy from USA
(Friday 7 April 2023; 16:11) | | |
| I usually agree wit you Edward but to call MIAMTEC depressing is kinda funny. The second half of Music Box is slit your wrist fantastic. Never Forget You, Without You, Just To Hold You Once Again, All I Ever Wanted and if Sony had the balls to add Everything Fades Away it's the saddest thing since Terms of Endearment. All MC albums are sad to me. That's why I connect. I think MIAMTEC is her worst album but not because it's depressing. It's incoherent and her vocals sound like they were produced by AI. |
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This is a reply to message 102,501 by
Edward from USA
(Friday 7 April 2023; 13:24) | | |
| I can assure you we all here supported her by buying the album, but put your feet on the ground and realize that MIAM didn't connect with the general public. The constant pushbacks, the messy rollout, fans are not to blame. Yes, there were some great songs and vocal moments, but the album is depressing and overproduced. I bought one for me and gifted one, I bought the singles and remixes, but I have rarely listened to the album since its release. While Caution didn't have any vocal moments, it's far superior, in my humble opinion. If you don't grow with your fans, you lose them. Her remaining fans can make much difference at this point, don't put that on us. We've been here patiently waiting for five effing years for new music, we've been supporting any hyped-up half-cooked new songs she puts out every now and then. I know she has to breastfeed the little twins, but come on. We need another Caution but with some vocal moments and more tracks. |
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I miss album (102,478)
by Randy from USA
(Thursday 6 April 2023; 00:12) | | |
| Butterfly will always be my favorite experience. Music Box and Daydream stole me from Whitney to Mariah. Oh don't get me wrong. Whitney will always be the better vocalist. Just not the better voice. But even still, what I got from MC was the personal experience. The alienation of Looking In, Close My Eyes and Outside. I feel as though Celine and Whitney never got that personal at the time. Madonna and Janet did but they didn't have the voices. MC was the balance. And when I listen to the lyrics of Butterfly, My All and Breakdown, there will never ever be another album experience like Butterfly. |
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This is a reply to message 102,477 by
Edward from USA
(Wednesday 5 April 2023; 23:06) | | |
| I totally agree with you. Having an album, a theme, the lyrics on a carefully crafted CD insert was simply a pleasant journey. I remember rushing home with the Butterfly CD still unopened in in my hands. The anticipation felt like having butterflies in my stomach, such a surreal moment, at least for me. Since I hadn't listened to anything other than the "Honey Maxi Single", I almost died when "Butterfly" kicked. I miss those days. |
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I miss albums (102,472)
by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 5 April 2023; 16:24) | | |
| Edward, I get your single idea but it breaks my heart. I feel like an album wouldn't benefit her in this current music industry. But how I miss the anticipation. I miss it being a project. Having a theme. I know it's for the nostalgia but remember waiting outside of Sam Goody or Tower Records? Remember struggling to get that plastic tape off the top of the CD? We don't get liner notes and pictures anymore. It's just sad. Imagine if movies weren't a thing and you just got a scene at a time. Imagine if a baseball game was one inning and everyone went home. I feel like an album is like a novel. A page is special but you need the entire story. |
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Observation (102,443)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 12:22) | | |
| I never listed reasons I didn't like MC anymore. I do like MC or else I wouldn't be here. I just wanted to prove a point. MC does what no other singer has ever done in history. Excuse herself relentlessly. And Terna, you were very gracious in your counter to me. A lot more gracious than I would expect. I think I'm developing a crush. At the end of the day, I have a 24x36 of MC in my living room. I am obsessed. Maybe that's why I pick everything apart. Because I actually care too much. Good night y'all. Webmaster thanks for always letting me post. |
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This is a reply to message 102,437 by
Lady B from USA
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 04:35) | | |
You're arguing with yourself. I never called anyone evil, I just said folks hiding behind "actually, we're the real fans because we care enough to speak up" show who they really are by not acknowledging her anniversary, a simple yet non-trivial act if one is a fan of someone. That you list all the reasons you don't like her anymore as "receipts" of some argument you're having with yourself doesn't disprove my point (quite the contrary that you spent so much time putting that together but couldn't wish her a happy anniversary).
I'll hang up and listen whilst you yell at the clouds. Peace. |
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Observation (102,434)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 01:02) | | |
| As tired as you are of us picking Mariah apart, we are tired of being told that we are not fans and we are evil people. Nobody's mad because MC doesn't have the same voice as 1990. Hell, she didn't even have the same voice in 1998. The real issue is the deception and the excuses. How did she go from saying publicly, :I would never lip sync" in the 90s to lip syncing most of her climaxes in 99 and beyond? And then not telling us what happened? I didn't want to do this on this board but a few years ago, I put together all of MCs excuses. In her own words. I don't ever argue without receipts. Oh and I still love MC. You can view the video here. |
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This is a reply to message 102,431 by
Lady B from USA
(Saturday 1 April 2023; 21:38) | | |
| So much so that folks can't bring themselves to wish her Happy Anniversary? Come on now. Also, assuming what you say is true, do Michael Jordan fans constant bemoan him because he cannot jump the same way he did when he was 23? |
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Divas week has officially begun (102,371)
by Randy from USA
(Wednesday 22 March 2023; 11:49) | | |
Break out your sequins, egos and melisma. Divas week has officially begun. Birthdays to celebrate:
3/22 Stephanie Mills
3/23 Chaka Khan
3/25 Aretha Franklin
3/26 Diana Ross
3/27 Mariah Carey
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MTV 90's (102,342)
by Randy from USA
(Sunday 12 March 2023; 13:47) | | |
| Mariah should be given the video vanguard award. My favorite is Heartbreaker but Honey isn't too far behind. I also love the Through The Rain video. You know who else has not gotten the video vanguard award? Paula Abdul. I think it's a shame Nikki got it before MC and Paula. |
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This is a reply to message 102,341 by
Lainsky from Philippines
(Sunday 12 March 2023; 04:15) | | |
| Most people are not watching TV nowadays because of the internet. Well, last night, I missed browsing the channel and stopped at the MTV channel. They were showing the 50 Greatest Heartbreak Songs of the '90s on their MTV '90s Hits program. There's Celine Dion, Whitney, Bryan Adams, All-4-One, and of course, Mariah Carey at No. 2 with "Without You", and Toni Braxton's Unbreak My Heart is at No.1. It brings a lot of memories. I remember I was waiting for any Mariah videos every chance I got. But the most memorable was when Honey was released. My jaw dropped seeing the new Mariah then. That music video remains her best for me. The same goes with the Butterfly album, the other single videos, especially Breakdown and The Roof almost. What a throwback weekend. |
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Remixes (102,325)
by Randy from USA
(Thursday 9 March 2023; 22:51) | | |
| I don't know if I told y'all this but I started replacing the album tracks with the rap or remix version of her songs. I put the Bad Boy Remix of Honey with Mase and the Lox as track one of Butterfly. I also switched out The Roof and Breakdown with the longer rap versions that were on the maxi-singles. I replaced Fantasy with the Bad Boy mix. That's the one with both the pop hook and r&b hook and ODB. I replaced Obsessed with the one with Gucci Mane and replaced Up Out My Face with the one with Nicki's rap. I also replaced Angel's Cry for the duet version with Neyo. On my Club/Hip Hop playlist I have My All/Stay Awhile. On my Dance playlist I absolutely live for the 13 minute Through The Rain Mix Hex Hector did, the 12 minute Fantasy David Morales Mix, the My All Classic Club Mix (even though I'm sick of feel ya body, feel ya body, feel ya body), I also have both the I Still Believe mixes (the kings mix and the club mix). Finally the Don't Forget About Us Ralphi Rosario & Craig J Mix is awesome. |
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This is a reply to message 102,322 by
Edward from USA
(Thursday 9 March 2023; 13:36) | | |
| Mariah is definitely the queen of great remixes, as in her maxi singles were like mini albums. My speakers suffered a stroke since I blasted the Honey and Heartbreaker maxi singles so much, it had to be put on life support. Many of her remixes were far superior than the original. She was definitely a tour de force. |
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