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Priceless (50,512)
by Jon from Netherlands
I'm glad you enjoyed it. "Cos if you run your mother break a bottle sicker run day boo" is poetic work. In the immortal words of Gob from Arrested Development: "It's good to laugh again." (Saturday 28 February 2015; 1:17)
Gold mine (50,508)
by Jon from Netherlands
While rediscovering "Tuts my Barreh" (I guess it's from the 2008 album "Pii inside a c square") I found other lost classics like "Cousin always beat my baby" (aka "You'll always beat a pear on me"), "We'll be long together" (aka "Is it so hard to Billy? Come back, pay me please"), "When you peel it" and many others. There is also one for "Hero". That is sacred ground to me though so I won't go there haha. (Saturday 28 February 2015; 0:12)
Tuts my Barreh (50,506)
by Jon from Netherlands
Andrew it's my pleasure to introduce you to "Tuts my Barreh" (aka "If there is a camel up a hill" aka so many other names but I don't want to ruin it for you). (Friday 27 February 2015; 23:29)
Ken Lee (50,502)
by Jon from Netherlands
Randy posted the international hit single "Ken Lee" by the world renowned Valentina. Can I give a shout out to the "If there is a camel up a hill" hit song? Such a classic. Only Mariah to leave a trailer blaze of (very creative) imitators. Suddenly I had the urge to check the original "Ken Lee" by Mariah and stumbled upon a compilation of performances worth checking. PS: Adam and Mimi L. I also enjoy your posts; and I also enjoy "Did I Do That?" but not as a single. (Friday 27 February 2015; 19:10)
Negativity vs positivity (50,478)
by Jon from Netherlands
I think this forum is great. It's really elevated, especially compared to the rest of the internet. Some people get pissed off at how negative Andrew is but he never sinks to a "garbage" level. Nor does Baby against those that critcize Mariah. That is why I keep coming here. The question is: if you are pissed off at Mariah like I am why post? I guess some of us are struggling with our feelings towards her. It means the bond that was created wasn't weak and we just don't turn around and walk. A lot of people have done that. I remember a comment on YT on the lines of "I can't believe I used to be a huge fan of this stuck up b****." That person, like so many others, have left a long time ago and only bother to comment on her every 5 years and couldn't care less what she is up to. Some of the negative people that post here are still willing to pay to see her and are key to her future. If all the negative people "leave" her Mariah has a big problem in her hands. It will be a turning point in her career. She can't count only on those that love her unconditionally. Nor should she. She has a good mix of criticism and love here and she should feel happy about it. I wish I had people criticizing my life choices and giving me some though love sometimes. If she can have great Vegas shows I'll be happy for it and I'll even try to go on a later date. I think they will be better production wise but not Mariah wise. If they are I'll eat my words gladly. Concerning the bond between fan/artist: it's different but also similar to the bond with a family member. It's hard to see the person waste their talent but you're not gonna turn away the same way you wouldn't do it to a family member. You stay and try to confront the person. If we see Mariah being more and more out of touch with reality we don't say anything? If we see someone with great musical talent waste it on the same things over and over again we don't say anything? Maybe Mariah would appreciate it if someone told her "Listen, you don't have to sing Hero in every single concert." That could actually be a relieve for her. Radiohead don't play Creep. They refuse to. They still put on a great show and you come out of it mesmerised. Even if you don't know the songs. If Mariah can't put together a good show it will be harder for her to keep a certain lifestyle. Someone said it and might be true: the Vegas shows will be a crucial moment in her career. She can always come back with great music but that's not where you get the bling bling these days. She needs to be confronted with these things. (Friday 27 February 2015; 12:52)
Baby (50,452)
by Jon from Netherlands
"Eternal" was a terrible choice. Can you imagine the lead single of Rainbow being "Did I do that?" (Friday 27 February 2015; 1:00)
Cashing in (50,451)
by Jon from Netherlands
It truly looks like she is only doing it for the money these days. And yes: how can she sing VOL for the milionth time? This Vegas idea is terrible. It's just more of the same. The songs she normally doesn't do will probably be thrown together in a medley and she'll stick to the ones she normally does. I love Honey and TMB but would never care to watch her perform it live. She is cashing in from her name big time and it won't last. A good career move would be to stop singing certain songs. Most of the 90's catalogue should go out the window. If you start from that point you can struggle to reinvent yourself and put on a good show. She needs that struggle. And where the hell are the new arrangements everybody keeps asking for? Is it so difficult to reinvent the songs or is it too much work? The other day I was imagining a jazz version of FLAB. I think it could be great. What about Mine Again? Has she ever sung "100%" live? It's a beautiful song that fits her current voice. The shows she puts on are rehashed and a waste of her catalogue. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:57)
Jaker20 (50,450)
by Jon from Netherlands
Mariah has definitely not grown. Can you imagine how big her fanbase would be if she had evolved as a person? All the fans from the 90's would still be there for her. Mariah was and still is a huge influence in my life and I looked up to her more than to anyone else. I related to so many things: the fact she was a prisioner in her own house (during her first marriage), the need to break free, the will to fight and believe in yourself (CTTA, TTR, etc.). So many of her quotes were stuck in my head. I always remember from the Butterly era: "In life you make your own choices, nobody holds a gun to your head." Now, I wanted to grow with her. But she is stuck. Me with my 29 years am way more mature than her. At this point she doesn't connect with teenagers nor with more mature people like the ones in this forum. She doesn't have conflicts that make her grow as a human being. Nor do most celebrities. For example, if you can afford plastic surgery you never confront the fact that you are ageing and never truly feel comfortable in your own skin. It's all sad and life lessons like that are lost. Mariah is an extreme case though. I think a lot of us are coming out of a "delusional state". I find that great and really mature. It's not ok to idolize someone no matter what. "Cult of personality" has no place in a healthy society. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:45)
ADAM (50,426)
by Jon from Netherlands
I'm right there with you. Was it lost with TEOM? Maybe she felt so validated after what is probably the biggest "comeback" ever she felt she didn't need to work hard anymore. On the Breakfast Club interview she completely dismissed JD and his influence on her career. It was subtle but one can tell she feels she doesn't need anyone. The truth is that she has been immensely successful with different collaborators and might feel that she will always come around. She is definetly not "thirsty" anymore. There is nothing wrong with that. In that case just do it for the love of it and put a good product out. When you show up deliver to those that love you. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 16:45)
Mimi (50,422)
by Jon from Netherlands
Mariah doesn't care about her public image at all. I think she has completely decided that she is above it. The Breakfast Club interview is proof of that. She will keep being a "diva" as you say because if you take that away from her you take everything from her. If she can't play dress up than there is no point for her to show up in public. It really is all about the clothes and make up at this point. In the past I felt like this image thing was all just for fun and the music was still the most important thing. She looked great and why not combine talent, voice and beauty? Even when she was "too" sexy it didn't bother me. Same people gave her some "nice names" because of it but it felt to me that is this sexist view that people have that a woman can't be sexy or if she is than she is "asking for it". With recent interviews you can really tell that things have changed. The insecurities are taking completely over and it is now too much. It's getting sad. She has two options: be herself and continue to alienate people or hire someone to manage her career and behaviour in public. I think the second option is disgusting for anyone especially a 45 year old woman. But if she wants her sucess back... (There could be a third option of some therapy to help her overcome her insecurities, after all at this point they are undermining her talent.) (Thursday 26 February 2015; 15:02)
Adam (49,911)
by Jon from Netherlands
I guess Mariah is a complex person and contradictory feelings are bound to arise. From your comments and other people's comments it seems to me that there is such a thing as unconditional love, but it's very far from blind love (which by itself is pretty useless). I'm actually learning something with the board. Cheers right back at you. (Sunday 8 February 2015; 1:59)
Adam and Andrew (49,883)
by Jon from Netherlands
I think there is a difference between attacking the performer and the human being. She is at the lowest point of her life. You're kicking her when she is down and then you turn and say "Btw I haven't liked you for almost 20 years." That's not ok. Mariah post 97/98 is the real Mariah. That's the one I would like to hang out with. Not some fabricated star that looks one dimensional. And you know what? That same Mariah wrote Petals and I wish you well (better than anything she wrote before), gave amazing live performances and gave us great albums that we could party and have fun with but could also listen to in times of need. If you haven't liked Mariah since 97/98 you don't like Mariah. You like the black dresses singing without Mariah. I only think there is something truly wrong since last year. If your husband is having affairs with younger women how are you not gonna be insecure? (At least that's what it seems that happened.) (Saturday 7 February 2015; 14:33)
Adam (49,857)
by Jon from Netherlands
I think it's unfair to bring up relationships. Nick stayed with her for 6 years and was madly in love. She must have qualities no? I don't know who terminated the relationship, her or Luis Miguel and Eminem was never anything serious. A lot of men have been infatuated with her through the years. If some leave that doesn't mean anything. Relationships end all the time. We all have things that are annoying. Her and Nick lasted for 6 years. For celebrities that's a lot. There are moments when she is a bit too "random" but I think it comes as a result of her unhappiness/insecurity. She wouldn't get lost in her thoughts if she was more secure and firm in her personality. Might come from partially losing her special ticket in life (the voice) or maybe it's the age and feeling the world won't be there for her anymore. I've watched again the interview Whitney gave to Oprah and at some point she says she had done everything she had to. There was nothing else to achieve. Mariah should be able to feel the same in order to recover her happiness. Put the pressure aside and just enjoy her life and what it offers her at each given moment. (Saturday 7 February 2015; 2:27)
Take to the sky (49,852)
by Jon from Netherlands
I love Loverboy and never thought the Glitter era had any major issue. It was just Mariah being corky and funny and at some point exhausted and troubled by the pressure. The voice message she left was actually very sane. Have you seen the interview she gave to Larry King in 2002? Very mature. Mariah was always capable of depth and maturity but she also has an over the top personality but that doesn't really hurt anyone. People that work with her have nothing but good things to say about her. There have been some not so good moments throught the years but maybe because she feels isolated or pressure or whatever in the midst of all the fame and sucess. Who knows? Things are different now for the reasons we all know. After all who can deny that her and Nick were perfect for each other? It looked like it to me. Where I think Mariah might have a problem is in her tendency to get stuck in situations. She is still stuck in trying to prove she is sexy (because she didn't feel that way growing up). Move on to other things. I agree that serious consideration should be giving to canceling the Vegas show. What about acting? Wouldn't now be the perfect time? Exorcise demons through some movie roles or theater plays. With all this I forgot that Mariah has other talents. She just needs at this point to use the right ones. (Saturday 7 February 2015; 1:38)
Glitter (49,828)
by Jon from Netherlands
She recognised she regreted it for the longest time on the Breakfast Club last year. I always loved it. (Friday 6 February 2015; 17:16)
Michael (49,805)
by Jon from Netherlands
"Shame since she is absolutely beautiful in and out and exceptionally talented." That sentence really got to me. It is incredible how one can have so much and still feel so small. Hopefully she can work that out with help from someone, not a husband that can leave at any moment, but a professional that can show her that that woman-child belongs to the past and she has no reason to feel insecure. She has achieved more than ever imaginable. Maybe this divorce is bringing all sorts of feelings of abandonment from her childhood but she has million reasons to feel comfortable with what she made of herself. So many people love her beyond her voice. I've been harsh on her on the business side of things but that doesn't mean I don't understand the emotional side. (Friday 6 February 2015; 1:33)
Diva privileges (49,784)
by Jon from Netherlands
She lost all her diva privileges. She better make smart choices if she wants them back. I agree with everything Adam has been saying and I think he mentioned being late. Well that was a privilege for the old Mariah. This one can't even show up 5 minutes late. The princess days are gone. You better work very hard if you want the GP to see you in a neutral way (much harder to start being respected again). The most frustrating thing is that the voice actually still exists and sounds great at some points. More infuriating is the lack of respect for the fans. There is no apology, no explanation, but then she tweets about other stuff? Either stay silent or talk about the important things. 10,000 fans retweeted something? How many people retweeted jokes about her? The divorce and personal pain is not an excuse. Stay home. We can all relate to the pain you're going through but stay home. No one is gonna tell a surgeon that couldn't deliver on his job because of depression to keep going. Take a couple of months off. Retirement might be too much but she definetly needs stay away for a while. Maybe in 10 years she'll be forced to stay home because nobody shows up and has a lot of people are saying: stop being delusional and get new arrangements for the songs. Everything changes in life, change with it. (Thursday 5 February 2015; 8:27)
Drinking (49,783)
by Jon from Netherlands
I said this really nicely a couple of months ago but now I'm gonna say it a little more direct: If Mariah wants to be "Mariah Carey" she can't drink. At all. I don't know how much she drinks and I don't care what she does with her personal life but I suspect very strongly that the reason why her voice is so volatile these days is because of the way she takes care of it and that most of the problem comes from drinking (which I believe to be "recreational" only). People pay to see her and if she wants to get (as people keep saying) their hard earned money she better deliver. It's not just about those 2 hours of show. I don't care for Madonna but she puts a lot of effort daily to stay in shape for her tours so when the moment comes she can deliver. Mariah chose this life and there are sacrifices to be made if she still wants to keep it. She's been indulging herself for too long. If you can't make the sacrifices you deserve to walk into an empty theater. Otherwise you have become a tenth of what you were because the adoring fans show up regardless of what you do. (Thursday 5 February 2015; 8:16)
In the memories there is solace (49,781)
by Jon from Netherlands
People are quoting Mariah's lyrics as if they apply to this moment in time (like CTTA). I guess other lyrics also apply. (Thursday 5 February 2015; 3:05)
Shelly (49,779)
by Jon from Netherlands
You're just a sweet person, keep posting. I don't agree with you at this point but I like your attitude. You're not delusional and you're reasonable. I don't have much hope in Mariah for the immediate future but I still like to read your posts cause they come from a good place. I do have a problem with the 1% that is delusional. It surprises me that people can defend what she is doing (to herself) right now. (Thursday 5 February 2015; 2:02)
YouTube (49,739)
by Jon from Netherlands
If you write Mariah Carey on YouTube the second search result is now "Mariah Carey lip sync fail". To the people that are being "positive": you are helping to destroy one of the best things to ever happen to music. It's not about the best moments of a show. It's about the worst moments of a show. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 11:58)
Honesty (49,729)
by Jon from Netherlands
About the night in Tokyo when she appeared to not know the lyrics to WBT is it so bad to stop the show and be honest and say: I'm going through a really hard time and I can't do this song? Everybody would understand and relate. Like this it feels like she's having mental issues. Be honest. Cry your heart out if you want on stage. Don't go on without acknowledging the problem, that is just awful. The headline would be: Mariah carey is heart broken and can't finish song. That is actually completely acceptable. Take 5, come back, talk with the audience and do other song. Something different btw. At this point one of Mariah's biggest problems is her inflexibility. She goes to a jazz festival and does the same old songs. And no it's no ok to accept dirty money and no she's no having a pre-breakdown. It's a full blown meltdown. It's just very hidden because she doesn't show up in public but these glimpses we have are enough to let us now something is extremely wrong. There is nothing wrong with showing love for her but please guys don't be enablers: tell her to stay home. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:15)
Retirement (49,726)
by Jon from Netherlands
Yes, please. Reason? The "Jazz organizer mum on Mariah" article. A lot of us here are blind. I'm not. Not anymore. There is no chance of going out with a bang. It's dead. Just leave the stage. We all love her too much and I sincerely don't want to see her go on like this. Edith Piaf ended like this but at least she had health issues. What people here don't get is that this can get much much worse. Maybe Mariah is not as strong as she used to be. Losing the love of your life must be extremely painful and maybe she can't come back from that (at least not anytime soon). Do we really want her to continue going down? We're watching a runner trip, fall, have everyone step on him and we are going to cheer him to go on? Stop immediatly and get the help you need. I really wish I could do something to help her but I can't. Reminds me of the Whitney interview when she said she went to a therapist for celebreties and people that go through that type of pressure. Mariah needs the same. And like Whitney just stay home in your pijamas, wait for the kids to come back from school and live a easy live. Maybe in 5 years we'll se you again. We'll miss you but it will be better than this. To those who still believe: what else does it take? Doesn't it break your heart? Telling her to continue it's not being nice, it's kind of sadistic. She's getting to the point that even her haters are gonna start feeling sorry for her. When that point comes she will have reduced herself to a joke. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:00)
Unaceptable (49,696)
by Jon from Netherlands
I can no longer be a fan. Not of this Mariah. She is destroying something I really liked, admired and was inspired by. There is no excuse or sugar coating this. Mariah was (unlike what people say) a great performer. Performing CTTA at Divas Live or FLAB at Grammys are great examples of hypnotic, irresistible performances (even if they had a bit of lip sync). That Mariah doesn't exist anymore. What exists now is some messy person that appears to be under the influence of something to the point of disrespecting her legacy, her fans and herself. How disrespectful towards yourself can you be to the point of not stopping Fantasy and doing it correctly from the begining? You are making a fool of yourself and you go on? It's insulting to the fans, to the audience and to what she worked so hard to be. Her voice was actually very good but that very weird stage presence makes it painful to watch any more of this mess. If she is having problems stay home. I'm not turning my back to someone that is going through a hard time. I'm turning my back to someone that I've stood by through too many situations and still refuses to get her act together. It's now painful to see her make a mess of herself. It's actually very irritating because she is taking something away from me that was very important. One of these days she is going to suffer the humiliation of being fired from the Las Vegas shows. (Tuesday 3 February 2015; 14:59)
Baby and Shelly (49,420)
by Jon from Netherlands
Everybody talks about how great Mariah was during TEOM but I disagree. Image wise she never looked better than E=MC2 and I loved that album (only Mariah to have TMB and IWYW on the same album). It had great potential. When did it start going bad? Exacly. So I agree with you Baby, 6 (kind of) lost years. She had the momentum of TEOM and of TMB and though BB didn't do as expected she could have still done great with that album but her mind started losing focus. From then on we went from a Mariah that released an album every two years (average of the 2000's) to Mariah doing almost nothing. It's true there were the twins and other situations but I feel like without him her career would be better. She was very happy while they were together and so maybe it was worth it. Shelly I don't know if Mariah has been single that many times. I think not. Before Nick she was, as far as I know, in a very private relationship for at least 4 years. I think it's not so much the relationship that makes her lose focus but Nick in particular. Btw, to clarify my YDWWTD post: I love the song Beautiful (second most played song on my iPod). I love the duet and Miguel is great. (Tuesday 27 January 2015; 1:28)
Cheers right back at you. 
