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Einstein re-release in 2009 instead (103,715) by Will from England It's not just the lyrics, but the whole vibe of the songs on MOAIA simply don't match the mood she was inspired by for E. Does the album flow with those MOAIA songs added on if you looked at them lyrically? Still probably not. I guess you could see it by lining them up to play next in Itunes or Spotify etc. MOAIA was just a whole different vibe. Think about Cool On You, you can clearly tell that it was a 2008 cut without hesitation vs Obsessed. (Wednesday 11 October 2023; 17:04) this is a reply to message 103,711

Einstein re-release in 2009 instead (103,711) by T from USA I guess you do make a point. But I actually think Obsessed, It's a Wrap do match the other juvenile lyrics of other songs on the album, maybe they could be joined by Up Out My Face and Standing O and that would've rounded out Einstein nicely. (UOMF actually references Harvard, it basically writes itself.) The autotune on those songs also would lend some continuity. I just think having TMB, Obsessed and IAW all on one album would make E=MC2 a streaming monster like Daydream. (Wednesday 11 October 2023; 01:53)

Einstein re-release in 2009 instead (103,708) by Will from England I don't know, Obsessed was a last minute addition to MOAIA after Bagpipes was released and she wrote it in response specifically. I don't think that sonically, it makes sense for those 4 songs to be on E=MC2 because her voice had changed again by that point (it sounded fuller vs the songs on E), and they just don't flow well with the party atmosphere she had with that album. DFAU etc. worked well for TEOM because there was still a sonic theme going that she was after and they fit well with the rest of the album. Those four just don't go on E. (Tuesday 10 October 2023; 22:43) this is a reply to message 103,699

Einstein re-release in 2009 instead (103,699) by T from USA We all know the tragic story of E=MC2's trajectory after the first single, the disappearance of Mimi and then the re-emergence in depression. In hindsight, with the lack of commercial success she's had since (except Christmas), one really can look back at the mistakes made like not releasing Migrate as the second single and think it was her last big change at commercial dominance. Would've a re-release like she did with TEOM made a big difference? Would it have sparked new life for the album? Imagine Obsessed was the fourth single from a repackaged album. I think I would've taken that over MOAIA. 1. Migrate (ft. T-Pain) 2. Touch My Body 3. Cruise Control (ft. Damian Marley) 4. I Stay In Love 5. Side Effects (ft. Young Jeezy) 6. I'm That Chick 7. Love Story 8. I'll Be Lovin You Long Time 9. Last Kiss 10. Thanks For Nothing 11. OOC 12. For The Record 13. Bye Bye 14. I Wish You Well 15. Obsessed 16. Betcha Gon' Know 17. H.A.T.E.U. 18. It's a Wrap (Tuesday 10 October 2023; 01:34)

She's checking her list - she's checking it twice? (103,683) by Will from England I noticed that her energy was low, almost akin to late 2008 when she was doing the ISIL promo. I think part of the reasoning is because the last time she performend in public, I think we can all agree she was a bit all over in terms of her presentation whilst on stage, and her voice was being carefully scrutinised so now she's playing it more reserved. She's recorded new live vocals for her harder songs (I love the new Fantasy one), and she's taking them out for their first tryout in public. It is odd though how she doesn't seem to remember which version she is going to perform or where the higher belts are for her to sell the performance. Having said all that, she does look great now she isn't tied into a bone corset and the moments she did sing live were better than what her Christmas shows last year were, though there is still a noticeably reduced range. It's odd as well, she was more happy to change up the melody and sing lower notes earlier on in her career (Butterfly SNL comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others), but now she seems determined to still prove she has the higher register available to her, though we know that this is more unstable and less likely to be hit live. (Sunday 8 October 2023; 11:57) this is a reply to message 103,682

She's checking her list - she's checking it twice? (103,682) by Brandon from USA Andrew, I am in total agreement with everything that you said. I think she hasn't progressed as a live performer because she's always in her head trying to remember when the recorded vocals are gonna kick in. She's constantly looking down to the teleprompter as though she is singing karaoke to her own songs because she needs reminders for the backing track. It's so annoying. She needs to lower the keys even more already so that she can actually sing her own songs start to finish. Whitney, Patti, Mary J, Barbra Streisand, Chaka, Gladys, etc would never even on their worst days vocally. Also, why does she keep giving these low energy performances like she did in Quatar? What is going on? (Sunday 8 October 2023; 05:48)

Well, I guess I'll shut up then (103,638) by Will from England I wouldn't take it so seriously. She's in on the joke, and fully aware of the videos that have been going around for the past couple of months, like she was with the McDonald's ad of her standing in the ocean. We've already had this discussion of her slowing down and taking more time for herself and her family, and if she is lucky enough to only have to work 2 months of a year, make that money during a period of time that she loves to celebrate, then let her. Lord knows I would love to. Whether you like it or not, Mariah is now synonymous with Christmas, and not evey artist can do that (associate themselves specifically with a popular holiday period), I think the only other one could be MJ with Thriller but that's the one song. Brands would kill to own a verb (googling, tweeting etc.); Mariah Carey owns an entire holiday period. (Monday 2 October 2023; 22:23) this is a reply to message 103,636

Well, I guess I'll shut up then (103,636) by Randy from USA She said it herself on her Facebook concert promo. "Yes, the actual defrosting has begun." If she's fine with being frozen from January 2 - October 31 each year, why am I arguing for her legacy. I'll join the lambs. Yaaassss Mariah. Hit number one again. AIWFCIY is the best thing you've ever done. It's your signature song. It's the only part of your catalogue that matters. My queens slays 9 weeks every year. AIWFCIY has won 28 Grammys, gotten you into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and won you a video vanguard. Your legacy just like your voice is completely intact. How did I do? (Monday 2 October 2023; 20:20)

Disc two (103,338) by Will from England She could well be waiting for the 30th anniversary to go all out, if there is anything to release. I think her friend on Twitter Liron mentioned that there weren't many/any unreleased or unfinished songs from Butterfly which is why there weren't any songs on Rarities from that era (though I personally doubt it). (Thursday 7 September 2023; 13:20) this is a reply to message 103,332

Disc two (103,332) by Stacey from USA I'd argue MB 30th is better than what she did for Butterfly 25th release. I thought Butterfly was her most personal release and what we got wasn't a whole lot. Yes, we got digital EPs of all her remixes from that era. But most of us had already heard of them. I'm talking new, unreleased stuff. Thoughts? (Thursday 7 September 2023; 03:03)

Music Box 30th anniversary revealed (103,325) by Will from England I would've thought it's because she's released all that she wants to release from those eras for Rarities and the MC30, and maybe saving some for Rarities Part 2 that she talked about? One can hope. (Thursday 7 September 2023; 00:22) this is a reply to message 103,307

Music Box 30th anniversary revealed (103,307) by Bobby A from United States I am wondering the same too. She didn't do a 30th anniversary for Mariah Carey or Emotions. Music Box must be really dear to MC. Daydream's 30th anniversary will probably be huge with the release of her version of Somebody's Ugly Daughter. (Tuesday 5 September 2023; 00:00)

Music Box 30th Anniversary (103,324) by Will from England I think it will be the same as the rarities and Tokyo Dome, it will be both on physical CD and streaming. (Thursday 7 September 2023; 00:20) this is a reply to message 103,318

Music Box 30th Anniversary (103,318) by Andrew from the UK I must admit I don't really understand what is being released and how? Is Proctor's Theatre being released as an audio? If so, is it going on Spotify or do you have to actually purchase a hard copy? It's all pretty confusing. (Wednesday 6 September 2023; 23:22)

New era? (103,249) by Will from England I think it's to be expected that she slows down now. She's done literally everything there is to accomplish in music that she wants to do and has broken and made so many musical history records; she's done all the dog and pony shows for each album; she's performed in nearly every country; she's had to her rise, fall and return to grace. Her arc is complete, and there is nothing more for her to do expect enjoy the life she has built for her family. Her children are nearly teenagers, and for now, she is enjoying being a mom to them, occasionally recording and writing stuff, but without the pressures for commitment to a record label to deliver a full album and do a promotional tour. Look at the other legacy acts around, there isn't anyone in her category making music or having hits (with the odd exception here or there like Kylie), it's all the younger upcoming artists and I'd like to think that she has made peace with that. Her final large promotional push she had to do, that I feel she wanted to achieve and was easily attainable at that point, was to get AIWFCIY to number 1, and that's done, and that song will now continue to increase in weeks at number 1 every year, before finally becoming the longest running number 1 song ever on the chart ad infinitum. However, that's not to say she will never release another musical project, I don't think that she can ever let that happen considering her views on Caution, but something to really sum up over 30 years in a cut-throat business and something she can be proud of being the final major project, and finish it with her sweet 16th album. (Saturday 26 August 2023; 23:50) this is a reply to message 103,247

New era? (103,247) by Bobby A from United States Is this the new era that no one expected? An era where we get new items dropped in MC's store quarterly and occasional video posts on Twitter. I believe this is the new norm. Therefore, I am disappointed with the release of the new Honey 2 LP. The gold colored vinyl is not worth buying. I don't purchase color vinyl because it does not produce brillant stereophonic sound like black vinyl. This is where we are from the start in 1990 to 2023. It is really disappointing that MC hasn't addressed anything. Did Elton John or Janet Jackson experience a career slow down like this without some type of announcement? I would like to know. (Saturday 26 August 2023; 03:52)

Last award (103,204) by Will from England What was the last music related award that Mariah received, that was not a lifetime achievement-esque related? (Thursday 17 August 2023; 22:05)

Perfection (103,175) by Will from England Someone did an AI version of Mariah doing a snippet of All Cried Out. (Sunday 13 August 2023; 01:04) this is a reply to message 103,173

Perfection (103,173) by Terna from Nigeria Yeah "All cried out" is a remake by "Lisa Lisa and cult Jam". You can imagine my shock stumbling upon it while on Spotify. Haha. However, I do think Allure did the song better. (Saturday 12 August 2023; 17:11)

I owe Mariah's earpiece an apology (102,142) by Will from England So I think they used those big box monitor speakers to play back the music that they still put out on stage, but not sure if they still use them or not. Even Micheal Jackson hated using the earpieces and fiddled with them as they felt like a fist in your ear, as he said during that This Is It documentary. I think even Mariah mentioned that she didn't like using them and only really started using them during TAOM tour, I've never seen her use them before then. I don't think that they're very comfortable pieces of equipment, as they are moulded to fit into your ear exactly, so that they're ultra noise cancelling so the artist can hear a click track/whatever part of the track you want to hear vs your own voice (hence why she says "turn me up a bit"/backstage comms/whatever. Back then in the 60s/70s, was it a thing to do huge stadium tours as is so common now? Also, the nature of people seeing shows has changed, as my dad regularly tells me, you would go to a show and you'd be quiet so you could hear the performance, not screaming all throughout as is most common now - that's why some artists get so thrown off by the Japanese/Asian fans during shows as they're most silent as a mark of respect. (Friday 27 January 2023; 20:21) this is a reply to message 102,128

I owe Mariah's earpiece an apology (102,128) by Randy from USA So the Dubai concert Beyonce did has taken over my TikTok. I noticed one thing. She was singing a note and started fiddling with her ear monitor. I thought that was something only MC did when she knew she sounded bad to fool the audience into thinking she couldn't hear herself and there were technical issues. I will say Beyoncé sounded fine when she was messing with it so maybe she couldn't hear herself. I notice Mariah does it every time she's on television but at any rate, does anyone have any knowledge on this topic? Why do people have to adjust the volume on them? Isn't this what a sound check is for? Why are they necessary at all? What did singers do in the 60s and 70s when they didn't have the option to have them? (Wednesday 25 January 2023; 17:55)

Caution (102,101) by Will from England I think there comes a point, in every artists life, where the well of inspiration runs a little dry. How many songs can you write about love? How many new ways is there to describe an emotion? This links to another post, but I can see why Mariah brings in other lyricists because they can offer a fresh prespective on a topic - she's probably written thousands of songs at this point, not all of them great, but still, there's only so many ways to write. She has a style of writing a song that is emotional, and comes from a certain place that, once you're past it, you can't access again. I doubt she can write another song as good as The Roof/Lullaby, nor one as heart wrenching as LTT/WBT/CTTA. Why? Because she's already done that many times over. How many times have lambs complained about her rehashing WBT in different formats, be it musical or lyrical? She has written and released every possible song that she can relate to and draw from over 30 years of recording sessions. She has written about her life, her highs and lows, her deepest desires and wants, thrown in with some less personal ones. MIAM was her last deeply personal record as it was her divorce album, so she had plenty to talk about emotionally and draw from. Caution, whilst I love it as an album, musically was fresh from her because she wanted to work with different people and have a new sound which worked well in her favour, but it's not a lyrical best, save from some quick lines here and there - but it works because she isn't chasing the sound that gave her her hits anymore. If she works with all the right people, and works with the people she's always wanted to work with (don't wait for the right song to come along, just meet up in the studio and jam it out and see what happens - we wouldn't have WBT, ABMB etc. if she hadn't done that), gets some fresh perspective on writing, I think she can produce another stellar album. The vocals, well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. (Saturday 21 January 2023; 14:03) this is a reply to message 102,096

Caution (102,096) by Edward from USA I was listening to Caution yesterday and I couldn't believe it's been almost five years since its release. One would think Mariah recorded a lot during the pandemic, so there should be enough material to at least release a solid EP. I do miss "The Voice". Sometimes I'm not sure if Marian wants to sing anymore. Most of her one-song projects in the past ten years have been lackluster, half-cooked. Her songs used to have legs of their own, but for a while now those legs are based on a hype that renders them crippled when you get to listen to them. Most cuts that didn't make it into her albums in the 90's are simply great. I'm not talking about her voice, but the artistry in her music. Butterfly was sung in her whisper register, but oh boy, those lyrics, the sentiment, the music, it didn't need an introduction. It's as if she were done with music but she's thrown into the spot light for a whole month every year and she has to act on it for financial reasons. I hopefully we get some quality music this year. Something different. (Thursday 19 January 2023; 13:26)

What's going on (101,841) by Will from England It is quite shocking how bad her voice has become over the last few weeks. Whatever has happened to it is a very recent thing, because even though the quarantine shows/performances were pre-recorded, they actually were quite decent and had strength, fluidity, range etc. unless they were edited to the hilt. Everyone was praising them to some extent. These recent performances, I just can't put my finger on what she's done to have such a drastic change, even her stage presence is way off. It's over the top, even for a Mariah Carey performance. Everything that she knew how to do (breath control, timing, key selection, phrasing) is all off and it's showing. Is it possible that she's had surgery on them already and it's not healed fully? The voice we have currently is not even a distant relative to the one that recorded Caution, and she considered the vocals on that to not be at their best, I doubt she would even be able to sing any song on that album, let alone her classic hits. (Thursday 15 December 2022; 18:54) this is a reply to message 101,838

What's going on (101,838) by whisperingmisunderstandings from USA I'm a long time lurker as well, thought I'd share my two sense about what's going on with her vocally. A lot of fans have relied on the "vocal rest" narrative, the idea that if Mariah would just take a year off, like she did during her pregnancy, or like she did between the Charmbracelet tour/TEOM, her voice would recover. Her voice did sound pretty strained by early 2020, so the pandemic seemed like a perfect opportunity for her to take a break. Cut to 2022, her live performances this year have proven that vocal rest alone won't cut it. In fact, I think part of what we're dealing with is vocal underuse. The voice is a muscle, and any athlete knows that there's a delicate balance between overuse and underuse. Imagine an olympic runner taking 2 years off, and then one day getting up and trying to run a marathon. They would not be anywhere near their peak performance, as their body would be woefully out of shape. Mariah went from singing around the house/in the studio whenever she felt like it (claiming to have regained her voice fully) to doing a full set list in an arena, and we can all see she wasn't prepared. So yes, Mariah's gonna need to ease back into live performing, like she did in 2014, starting off TECS tour with some terrible shows (probably her worst up to that point), but her voice gradually gaining strength and ending that year with some amazing Beacon shows. I'm hoping that her voice/confidence will improve with the next NYC show/any further shows next year. That being said, there's obviously waaaaay more going on here, and others have pretty much hit the nail on the head (not warming up, not putting her vocal health first). Alcohol is clearly a big issue as well, and I can't help but wonder if the botched 2014 AIWFCIY moment actually scared her into sobriety (temporarily), and maybe that's why those Beacon shows were so strong. I hope she wouldn't have to experience another public shaming like that but she's made it pretty clear that she has no intention of changing her lifestyle or giving up her vices so idk (hopefully the CBS special doesn't go viral for the wrong reasons). As far a playback, I'm not a fan but didn't really mind it used sparingly, on climaxes for super hard to hit notes. But this tour is just ridiculous. Her saving grace in recent tours were the little moments, doing snippets of "Slipping Away", etc. but now she's lipping most of those moments as well, i.e. "Miss You Most". Same with "Away in a Manger", it just felt so unnecessary and like she's depriving the show of a needed organic moment. I genuinely hope she can get it together and improve. I also understand the fans that just want to enjoy her current output, not focus on negativity, etc. But unfortunately there's not a lot of good to focus on, and I fear it won't get any better/will get worse unless MC wakes up and gets focused on what's best for her voice. But that's just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. (Thursday 15 December 2022; 06:46)

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,522) by Will from England I've noticed when Mariah has any form of decent voice back, she instantly goes at it 120% to use every facet of it and damage it even further. With TEOM, she belted like there was no tomorrow, resulting in the more restrained vocals on E=MC2 and Memoirs. Then post pregnancy when she had brilliant fluidity, tone and range, she again went to the max with her voice and undid all the rest (and lack of alcohol) that had helped her. And now, when she says her voice is back to a decent level, she uses every part of it in recording sessions (WBT Valentine Mix and The Roof with Brandy, plus all the other singing projects she has on the go) which ends up becoming lack luster vocal moments live on stage. I love Mariah, but she has missed several great opportunities to learn how to extend those moments where her voice was in great shape and preserve it. And that bloody corset isn't helping matters, she needs to find new ways to dress so that she doesn't have to worry about her weight on stage and maintaining the 8 figure. (Monday 24 October 2022; 00:03) this is a reply to message 101,518

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,518) by Randy from USA Because I'm an MC fan a lot of things come across my social media. She is struggling through this performance. She needs to give Vision of Love a rest. (Sunday 23 October 2022; 14:05)

Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,409) (101,415) by Will from England I mean, it's either cover it up, or have a moment that Whitney had during her ill-advised tour that should never have happened, where she tried to sing live and it just wasn't good with audience walk out - you can bet that Mariah was aware of that is using every trick she knows to mask it, and quite rightly so. Caution was a good step in the right direction where she doesn't use over the top runs that she can't replicate live, isn't using belts etc. and focuses on the strengths her current voice has such as her lower register and straight forward middle of the road vocals, and produced stellar results. When she slows down, has time to breath and doesn't have to do rapid vocal runs, her voice is good in a different way to what it was. (Thursday 6 October 2022; 20:15)

Re: Rock album (101,247) (101,251) by Will from England Not exactly news, she talked about it in her book and I think some of the songs are on YouTube? I'm probably wrong on the last one. It's called Someone's Ugly Daughter. (Sunday 18 September 2022; 00:13)

Re: Did Mariah actually write The Roof (100,229) (100,230) by Will from England Think you're thinking way to much into it. Look at Emotions, they list the album as "Elsa Walking Music Vol.1" - wouldn't exactly take what's written as gospel. And not all the videos have writing credits on at all. Not a big deal. (Friday 29 April 2022; 22:07)

Re: "Big big energy baby when I close my eyes" (100,000) (100,015) by Will from England Yay for 100,000 messages! Webmaster, do you know who has messaged the most on this site? (Monday 28 March 2022; 01:18)

Re: So much for my dream (100,010) (100,014) by Will from England Pretty sure it does, Jay-Z's first was his appearance was on HB. (Monday 28 March 2022; 01:16)

Re: New WBT (99,713) (99,724) by Will from England Oh yeah, that's from last year, she released it as a single along with an extended version. (Friday 18 February 2022; 21:36)

Re: New WBT (99,701) (99,711) by Will from England Are you talking about the new version she did last year? (Wednesday 16 February 2022; 19:13)

Album re-release (99,507) by Will from England I was thinking, what if Mariah re-released her early albums up to Memoirs, but restructure them to have some of the already released songs but also to have some demos and unreleased tracks? It would be a cool way to have her rarities part 2 moment but not have to pick select tracks for just one release. There have been so many songs that she has said didn't make the cut for the final albums, she could do something creative for them. (Sunday 23 January 2022; 12:19)

Re: Caution (99,444) (99,451) by Will from England Because what Mariah loves doesn't become a hit, whilst if she doesn't like it, it becomes a fan favourite and critics like it. (Monday 17 January 2022; 01:04)

Re: Article: Mariah celebrates topping Hot 100 for another week (99,331) (99,344) by Will from England Would she? I thought it had to be consecutive weeks to get that back? (Sunday 2 January 2022; 00:25)

Re: Mariah surprises fans (99,336) (99,343) by Will from England Because that's what she's always done? Taken a song of hers, deconstructed it and re-imagined it for the remix with new vocals, potentially new lyrics and other song samples? Only difference here is that she's using an old song. And why not? Let her have fun, the WBT redo was quite enjoyable and got her to be creative again, something she couldn't really do since the rules regarding what constitutes a remix changed and she was stuck with just keeping the studio vocals and having them over a dance beat, given the odd exception here and there (I'm assuming that's why that re-sung version of HATE U or Beautiful were never released as they wouldn't have helped the original song with the charting). (Sunday 2 January 2022; 00:24)

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