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Walter and the goatists (50,716) by Andrew from UK Hi Reuben, it's relevant only as an observation that Mariah doesn't work with white people anymore: for well over a decade there has been very few. It's not unnoticeable and has heavily affected the direction of her music which has alienated her musically and affected her broad appeal IMO. It's not racist it's just probably true: she won't work with Afanasieff again. I won't even comment on the self-righteous indignation of the other poster. Except to say leave Adam alone, I said it. He's a nice guy. And I can't believe you used the word goat. You hate goats. Goatist. Chill out. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 12:32)

Adam (50,705) by Andrew from UK Well, Adam, you would think it funny but I put my head in my hands. Honestly. I think she should really go all out and call her new album something overly long and self-referential that people will make fun of and no straight man would be seen dead listening to. Suggestion: "Diary of the Misunderstood Caterpillar". Of course, I'm jesting before the humourless (yes, it has a "u" in it. heh) come out guns ablazing. I'm just not convinced Mariah gives a shit anymore. If she fucks up in Vegas it's all over. If Ja'mie King (spelt so for all the Aussies out there) is available, a humble Mariah should be throwing money at him. And working with Afanasieff won't happen ever again. He's not black. (Sunday 8 March 2015; 2:45)

New ideas (50,692) by Andrew from UK So in order to revive her flagging career, Mariah's really decide to mix things up and come at it with a fresh approach by working with new people such as Jermaine Dupri and Big Jim Wright. Amazing moves. I do hope JD grunts every now and then over the songs and adds something classic like "now that's what I'm talkin' about". I think in Vegas she should be really crazy and duet with Trey Lorenz and sit on a chaise longue. While she's on this new path, she should make Randy Jackson her manager. You know, really mix it up. (Saturday 7 March 2015; 3:11)

Shelly and Nikki (50,634) by Andrew from UK Shelly, so in response to the question posed I can truncate your message into one word: "yes". If I spot some fairies I'll ask them for some help just in case your faith and power of belief and other nonsense doesn't break its seven year hiatus. Let's agree to disagree? Mariah is the only person who can change Mariah's fortunes. The media will report "anything" sensational. If Beyonce or Ariana had been churning out the performances that Mariah has done so recently, their asses would have been handed to them twice as fast. In response to Nikki's message: there's a massive difference between what was required on the Daydream tour (totally live, six octave range, belting elastically whilst moving about the stage like she owned the motherf*cking thing) than what was required on The Elusive Chanteuse Show (lip-syncing anything "chest" outside of one octave, ad-libbing over pre-record blah blah). You can count the clouds in the sky for all the relevancy it has. The comparison you made would seem to be a slight manipulation. (Wednesday 4 March 2015; 22:01)

Christmas concerts / MSG (50,621) by Andrew from UK Jon, I've booked Christmas off to go to NYC as I assume she's going to do the Christmas concerts there again. However, probably going to wait to see what happens in Vegas first before buying flights. The whole thing will be a couple of grand £€. I'd offer you to come with, but I fear there'll be a fatwa on my head from some of the people on this board and I wouldn't want you hit in the crossfire. In saying that there are actually a few sane cool Americans on here it may be fun to meet up with. And in saying that I'm not stating, as a nation, Americans aren't sane and cool, but like most countries you gotta pick and choose. The Dutch on the other hand... Meanwhile back at the ranch, Mariah should book out the Garden for her Christmas shows. It's Christmas. Surely she could fill it at Christmas. It would be global news. And that's kinda what she needs. Or do one in MSG, one at the O2 in London and one at Tokyo Dome. Would be immense. She could even have reindeer pulling her jet. (Wednesday 4 March 2015; 16:16)

All in your mind (50,620) by Andrew from UK So recently: Mariah's releasing a new single, it's going to number one, her contribution to popular music is more important than the contribution made by The Beatles, it's not her fault she gets disrespected, it's because she doesn't have a penis, people are manipulated by the evil media because she mimed well half the time, she's lost weight. Did sanity and reason just die? (Wednesday 4 March 2015; 15:45)

Live, love, laugh (50,566) by Andrew from UK Best old school Mariah arm movement is in that video: at "You can find love". You wave the to the word "love" quickly then throw it down to the ground without even looking and move on to other words. Stupid word. Mariah's over you. She got some pointing to do. *sigh* Now it's just fiddle with ear-piece and look like you really need to get off stage for an alcoholic beverage. Or, if you start getting sweats, just have someone press play and f*ck off for one in the middle of the song. Lol you were with me up until that comment, right? Let's all go punch a ghost. (Monday 2 March 2015; 1:59)

Let them eat pie (50,557) by Andrew from UK Think Twice, The Power Of Love, Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore, Because You Loved Me, All By Myself, River Deep, All Coming Back To Me Now, My Heart Will Go On, Immortality, I'm Your Angel, I'm Alive, A New Day, The Prayer. Probably sold as many, if not more, than Mariah. The comparison being made was the voice and the state of repair vs disrepair. Not even the most "positive" of MC fans can deny Celine is a global phenomenon in two languages and can still belt. She went MOR and planted her ass in Vegas. And did bloody well. And Mariah pursued urban chart success. But Celine kept much more vocal ability. Yes, this is a Mariah board. But let's not shut down little factoids like Celine Dion, whereas not to *so* many people's tastes (it really can be so cringe), is Mariah's longterm contemporary and an interesting comparison. Whereas the sound of the voice may not be as appealing to Mariah fans (for obvious reasons), I'm not sure anyone could outsing Celine. And even Mariah likes her. The "Celine called me" interview restored my hope that maybe Mariah can be friendly to other massive artists. I think she respects Celine for not having tried to imitate her. So yeah. Many, many famous songs. Ever mentioned what you think is a great Mariah song to someone and they reply with "never heard of it". I know, they're idiots. In fact, I'll leave it there. They're idiots. "Oh baby billing me it's only a matter of pie." (Sunday 1 March 2015; 18:27)

Timed carrots (50,544) by Andrew from UK Jon, I swear you have made my week with those videos. "Timed carrots and I'm feeling the straw." Seriously makes me laugh out loud every time just thinking about it. And Mariah's stage movements have nothing on Celine's wallop-the-chest-and-shoot-God-with-a-finger-gun. Well, maybe Mariah's impulsively-bolt-across-the-stage-to-punch-a-ghost may just trump it. Also, I feel it should be put out there, for the record, that Diana Ross should never be considered anywhere near the same league vocally as Mariah or Celine. She sounds like Minnie Mouse. In heat. Awful. (Sunday 1 March 2015; 1:54)

Piece of the pie (50,513) by Andrew from UK The other ones are even funnier. This is the best. Present. Ever. I can't stop crying. "Oh baby, billing me, it's only a matter of pie. Piiiiiieeeeeee." The world is so brilliant sometimes. (Saturday 28 February 2015; 1:32)

Priceless (50,510) by Andrew from UK Jon, I can't stop crying with laughter. My cheeks are aching. That is hilarious. "Rape me in my thighs. I know you like my cock." But the absolute mf'ing best: "Cos if you run your mother break a bottle sicker run day boo." I cannot stop laughing. I only regret I'll never be able to watch it again for the very first time. (Saturday 28 February 2015; 0:44)

Genius (50,504) by Andrew from UK 'If there's a camel up a hill' - is that to Touch My Body? That is genius. (Friday 27 February 2015; 23:08)

Il faut que tu saches (50,503) by Andrew from UK Someone mentioned Celine lipping in her career. I think the comparison between Mariah and Celine is interesting and important at this point. Celine Dion is one of the best popular vocalists in the world. She lips high notes now and then in order that she preserves her voice not because she can't hit them (save some songs admittedly). She regularly proves that she can. Mariah has had the luxury of not having sung high belt notes live for well over a decade. (You must wonder where the vocal straining has actually come from? It's all been pre-record or easy-low.) Celine, whilst cringeworthy to some, is commanding of a stage: confident, energetic at high tempo, and captivating with a mic stand and a ballad: it's an event. She also mixes it up, sings songs not in her back-catalogue and is rarely anything but dull in her stagecraft. I think to suggest that Mariah's Vegas show will be anything different from her usual standard shows is naive, no matter who is involved: when does Mariah get told what to do anymore? To think she will sing Fantasy live every night for the first time since, well, Daydream Tour is naive at best IMO. There's been no time to fix *anything* that's wrong. I still think Vegas is a monumental mistake. But I would love to be proved wrong. (Friday 27 February 2015; 23:05)

The pride? (50,440) by Andrew from UK Adam you have hit the nail on the head, as it were. Is that a British idiom? There has been no reason to act superior for the last few years. Only a reason to connect. There has been opportunity to reach out. I watched Madonna fall at the Brit Awards last night, getting pulled on to her arse in front of her home crowd. And she got up. Dazed. Stood still with no vocals. Then bounced back to her job. She did her job. I went nuts clapping. The woman does her job. I haven't liked any of her material in years but did she not gain a world of respect. She stood up and performed. All lambs give her respect. She wowed as did GaGa. Where is Mariah? No performance to be proud of in ten years. Can't just be me. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 22:54)

Elusivity (50,404) by Andrew from UK To the people that say Mariah not going to awards shows etc is fine because she likes privacy: that's all fine. But celebrities do this in order to stay in the public eye and relevant. Mariah can't afford to act like an "icon" who doesn't need to do this-and-that. She is no longer relevant and Joe Pubic has forgotten her. The only contact she ever seems to have with the public is extremely negative. And to the person who said Mariah is nervous performing at awards shows: she's nervous singing on a stage? Nerves? is that why she mimes badly? To make it go well? This is absurd. I'm sure if Mariah took a dump in the middle of the street this board would find a positive spin to put on it. "Dump. I Am Mariah. The Elusive Sh*tter". Lady GaGa stood on a stage and sang like a vocalist and brought the house down with talent and emotion. When... when... was the last time Mariah stood on a stage and performed like a vocalist, totally live and smacking of class? (Wednesday 25 February 2015; 18:35)

Edward, Orkun and Shelly (50,217) by Andrew from UK Edward and Orkun, I tip my cap, Sirs. I'm mostly over raging against the machine now, anyway. I think nearly all hope is lost but that's well documented. I'm really not fussed about people loathing me. I'm fussed about Mariah Carey's career, after 22 years of supporting it. And my integrity. At least, for the most part, the conversation really has leapt forward a little bit. Like Marissa, you make valiant points and I applaud you for doing so. You have a right to have Mariah respond to you, although I think Mariah's a little over talking to her fans anymore, however. Shelly, being cheated on is massively hurtful. But tell yourself you are awesome every day and smile and I promise it feels better. And Taylor, I just don't have the words, but when I need some I sure know where to come. My curiosity is satisfied, not clarified, for which I am grateful. And try not to end sentences with a preposition. I promise that feels better, too. Let's not get so worked up. Nothing really matters. Madonna sang it in her popular 1998 hit, "Nothing Really Matters". Must be true. (Monday 16 February 2015; 18:32)

Shelly (50,144) by Andrew from UK Shelly, to you I apologise. Though I don't like your delivery, as much you don't like mine, your intention was nothing but honest and pure, it would seem on reflection, and perhaps not draped in the sentiments I despise. And in the light of further guns firing in Europe, I must concede that yours is an enlightenment that deserves to be considered. I regret the things I said to you. I'm so damn angry with MC. And I have tried to just post points and not react. I'm now thinking perhaps I should just let it all go. The art of which I'm going to have to learn. I mean it when I say I'll let this go, I don't think I'm going to change anything and I should accept the inevitable. And soon I shall stop posting I guess. If not now. I dunno. But, girl, you got class, and I regret my response. I stick by my points. But your ground is high. (Saturday 14 February 2015; 23:38)

Webmaster (50,139) by Andrew from UK Why did you censor the word "dude"? It's mostly a term of endearment. I didn't come here to annoy anyone although I see I do. You'll notice I post and then people bring me up and force a response. As I'm sure they will to this. I came here to try to convince people to debate reality and tell it like it is. I said a while ago that the current situation would happened and, perhaps a little arrogantly, I know what will happen next. As do many others. But I read messages about how perfect she is and what a nasty man I am. Like I said, you don't want me here so I won't be here. I have respect, believe it or not. But I can't stress enough, even in my absence, the debate needs to move forward to make MC listen. Maybe my delivery is harsher than most. I think it's because I care the most. I don't hate her, I love her more than I love sunny summer days lol. If you don't want me to post anymore then cool. You'll miss me as much as I will miss grimacing as the page loads to see who hates me at any given time. Thunder absolutely must precede sunlight. But we must surely affect how much it rains in the meantime. Much love. (Saturday 14 February 2015; 20:16)

(50,137) by Andrew from UK [censored] It's your website, if you don't want to post my messages don't post them. It's what most people want. Who'd have contrary opinions, eh? I'm not sure I have anything left to say, though. Little pointless. But ask yourselves this, and don't doubt for a second that Mariah comes here to read this stuff: is anyone telling her to stop, think and change? Isn't it your responsibility to help save this? I am genuinely concerned about the state she is in and how bad it's getting, and I read message after message telling her everything is great. It's on the edge of disaster with Vegas looming. But nobody will even contemplate telling her to not go through with it. Yet this is what she's always told, that's its all fine, and look what has happened. I mostly always ignore the messages directed at me personally. As someone said: "If you don't like his posts don't read them." However I grow exasperated that the one forum that might actually make Mariah think about her actions and her future is filled to the brim with fairytale endings and unicorns. I guess it's my problem. It is a wasted opportunity. This is a board for discussing which ensemble better suits the hair. I love Mariah Carey. I have loved her since I was ten years old. I can see where this is heading. I think I love her much more than you guys. But that's one I'm not fussed about winning. I love you all for loving Mariah. I just won't ever understand the manner in which you do it. Thunder precedes the sunlight. (Saturday 14 February 2015; 19:44)

The one with the nonsense (50,122) by Andrew from UK Again, "argumentum ad hominem": you can't criticise what I'm saying so you criticise me. I truly don't care. Shelly, your comment smacks of lunacy. Put down the pipe. Taylor, your post was hilarious and actually brightened up my day. Have you ever seen the Friends episode where Joey writes Monica and Chandler a letter using a thesaurus to sound clever, but uses so many synonyms and incorrect words it reads as complicated garbage? Did you get a thesaurus for Christmas? Eg. "Convey undertones"? Undertones come from the literal sound of something being said. Perhaps you meant "overtones"? My "attempts are veiled by my nature"? Stop trying to sound clever. It doesn't win the argument, it makes you sound strange. You would be wise not to debate me based upon what you have written. I do not "bully" Mariah (you can look that one up), and I do not belittle *all* those who "support" her. As I have stated often, it's not due to so-called "recent mishaps" (? lol) but a several-year long career trajectory steered by one awful decision after another and performances which are lies which were going to get found out and ruin her legend. And looky here, what's happening now? I bemoan anyone now who sugar-coats. Don't like my delivery? I really don't care. So many people are fed-up with her attitude. The "yes-fans" like you are dangerous, aiding in the end of Mariah's career. You're no better than the "yes-men" around her for which you blame almost everything. Enjoy your high ground. N.b. I didn't praise the Beacon Theatre shows because of the massive use of lip-syncing. To do so would have been to have tried to pretend the ongoing and worsening crisis has gone away just because I wanted it to. However the Ellen interview/skit was praised as it was a return to the fun, relevant, engaging Mariah that once was. Pay attention, up there. (Saturday 14 February 2015; 14:19)

Like golden petals scattering (50,086) by Andrew from UK "The media has 'turned' against Mariah." The bleatings of the lambs continue. Almost every message on this board about why things aren't going well for Mariah is about *other* people doing things *to* poor, perfect Mariah. This is delusion wrapped in a fantasy designed to profligate the idea that Mariah is a victim (cross fingers for new victim song). The media is going to vilify anyone caught out for faking, especially if it's in such a public way and especially if it's by someone who has acted like a stuck-up diva for ten years in re: attitude and tardiness. Why would they give her a break? She controls her own career, she has cast off anyone who could have provided direction over the past decade and she arrogantly thinks she can do this (which she has done several times) when she is on top as if she belongs there of her own accord, pity everyone who worked to get her there. The problem? It's not Nick, it's not Tommy, it's not Luis, it's not the media, it's not Ariana, it's not Nicki. It's Mariah. Her decisions, her attitude, her unprofessionalism, her arrogance, her amateurism. Stop blaming everyone else. NB I can predict the future, wait, hark, can you hear: "You're so mean. Why do you even come here. You're this pathetic label I'm recycling." It's the bloody truth. The media print what they think the public will buy. If it can buy Mariah being a joke it's because she acts like one. She not a star anymore. Grammy? They understandably didn't want the association. (Friday 13 February 2015; 18:07)

Take to the sky (49,851) by Andrew from UK It's good to see good loyal fans - not "lambs" as I would, and have documented them to be - come out and try to post Mariah the truth. I wanted it because it's necessary even though I think it's a couple of years too late. Well, several. However Nate doing it really hit home for me why I've been p*ssing people off for so long. This is genuinely, genuinely, sad. The show is almost over. And I don't say this to antagonise. There's no coming back from this, this fall from grace. Someone asked what I meant by "mental problems". I think it's clear. She has been a bit of a whack-job since 97 (loveable in the beginning, but increasingly alarming) and it's hard not to see it as evident that it was directly related to her voice degradation. It changed from the elastic powerhouse to just a voice, albeit it the voice with the tone that speaks to your soul. The loss of the voice with the loss of the success led to a breakdown. Increasingly she acted bizarre, drawing attention away from it, and her clear embarrassment, by the strange behaviours we all know well. (I remember watching the Loverboy video thinking "It's come to this?" But then watching Home For The Holidays thinking "She's still in there somewhere.") Is she still in there? Yet I don't see coming back from being caught out as a long-time faker. If she's still in there, give Vegas up. Go live another life. I don't see how this can make you happy. Go, take to the sky. Go get well. (Saturday 7 February 2015; 0:33)

Notes from a small island (49,657) by Andrew from UK I'll should give it up for a while again now. But what happened just now was quite poignant. I just left my best friend in a pub. I lived with him for five years and he knows every amazing vocal performance she's ever done, be it live or studio, be it crazy noone-has-done-this-before, to my-heart-aches-because-the-strings-are-pulled. "I saw it", he said, knowing I would cringe and be sad. He said this, almost word for word: "Runners stop running, footballers stop playing. You can't sing like that for that long and keep doing it." From a guy who, in quite a British way, takes the p constantly but inoffensively. And as a non-fan (God, he hates me for knowing all the words to, like, everything). There's no shame in stopping and saying: "I did that. Look what I did. And I'm done. There it is. That's my body of work. Respect me." She not Beyoncé. She's not GaGa. She was the last and the most popular of the great vocalists. There's no performance other than bounding about the stage as if to say "Hush now and open your ears. I know right?" The sounds of the past are going to fade into the mess of the social media era. If my friend can respect her, then the world has done the same. But it fades in a second. I've said it in many places for years. This is a lie. The records: I don't even believe she sang them in the studio. Let her repeat them just once live and I will. I'm over the tragedy, the pity, the personal life. Retirement is the only answer. (Tuesday 3 February 2015; 0:58)

If it's really gone, then tell me to tonight (49,654) by Andrew from UK Shelly, Edward, Adam, et al., I salute you for being true fans and saying it how it is. Silence is no longer an option, I *hope*, for those who spent decades in adoration and support. Something is very very wrong here. Not in the sense of a blip: this has the makings of the biggest downfall in history. To go from the biggest to the most ridiculed is astounding. There's no doubting the tone, the lyrics, the musicality. But what other way to communicate disappointment and fear other than to post and hope she reads it. My heart is broken. I don't know what else to do other than to be fierce and say it like it is. Two decades of effort destroyed. A Vegas residency? Won't it go like everything? All the "lambs" say it will be different this time. We will receive bad staging, an image no one respects, lip-syncing, the same tracks performed, embarrassing performances. The list goes on. Does anyone know what will make Mariah change? She was the consummate professional. Nobody had anything on her. And now industry starters can ridicule her. I feel cheated. Cheated of what it is to be dedicated to a performer. As in, we will fight for you but work for our fandom and money. It's quid pro quo. Hearts are broken. And I'm not even sure she cares. And I'm not convinced anybody who posts here is either. This staring at the camera, mouthing like a porn star is actually hideous. Can you not cringe? I laugh about "if it's over". But it is, right? What's left? I have no idea. (Tuesday 3 February 2015; 0:08)

Jamaica and homophobia / Adam (49,614) by Andrew from UK Adam's criticism of Mariah performing in Jamaica due to their record on gay rights and violent homophobia is noteworthy. I've been there, it's really serious. Yet only a handful of democracies have recently woken up to gay equality. Should artists like MC (who do spend millions given to them by millions of gay people) not go perform in countries like this? Wouldn't it just restrict them to a handful of countries? The US was quite poor on gay legislation 20 years ago; should Mariah have not performed there until it was enacted? Well, the obvious and reasonable response is that in this day and age, no, she should not perform in countries like this. If a state was antisemitic she would not perform. If SA still had Apartheid she would not perform there. Homophobia is disgusting. Jamaica is a hotbed of state-sponsored violent bigotry. There are lines that she needs to draw in the sand with "principle" on one side and "money" on the other. Though after that performance, maybe it was a punishment. (Monday 2 February 2015; 13:48)

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