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You don't like this, and you know it (49,613) by Andrew from UK Whilst I'm glad that people are starting to be honest about what's going on with Mariah, because I just can't stand make-believe and don't think it's at all productive, I have to ask: where were you for the past two years? All I've been reading/hearing is people engineering desperate excuses, blaming everything and everyone else but Mariah and refusing to acknowledge her mental and vocal problems, pathetically using the word "haters" and castigating anyone who won't live in the daydream. This has been years in the making, yet when I said it was going to get much worse and she should seek help or retire I don't recall one person accepting it. When I said it was a rip-off, same thing. When I said it would ruin her icon status, same thing. Excuses. And to the guy who complained about the earpiece trick, spot on. It's pathetic. And the glove? Oh, the bloody glove. She got sympathy for the injury but she just doesn't wanna let the pity go. I think her problems go way past the voice now. (Monday 2 February 2015; 13:15)

What happens in Vegas won't stay in Vegas (49,562) by Andrew from UK Oh dear, oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. "I told you so"? I argued much for Mariah to either perform live or retire as she was going to damage her reputation and "legend". And all the crazies came out to tell me how evil I was and all manner of things. And looky here. She's still lipping. But, and listen up kids, now she can't even do that. So now the crazies (the l word) are blaming technicians (notice how every issue in Mariah's life is someone else's fault, I imagine this latest embarrassment will be Tommy's? Nick's? Alison's?). It's very, very simple. Mariah is a vocalist who doesn't sing live. She has lipped in almost every song for a decade. It. Is. A. Lie. And she is taking people's hard earned money to pay for it (certainly not her set-pieces, clothes, etc). And fans have the right to be p*ssed off about this now. Years of one hideous decision and terrible performance after another. Vegas? Let's hope someone can press "play" on the vocals at the right point, eh? (Sunday 1 February 2015; 20:14)

The future (49,327) by Andrew from UK It strikes me that perhaps the Mariah chart problem is that where the old school emotion was ballad or pop, these days it's genuine sadness vs joy. Not "I lost love" or "I fancy you". I listen to Budapest or Stay With Me and feel genuine exhilaration. It's not the voice, it's the emotion of the song. Even Up by Olly Murs and Demi Tomato. Mariah needs to follow a new sound that she hinted at with Beautiful but seems to abandon for the outdated formulaic, not matter how much we fans liked it. Imagine those feel good songs with her resonance behind them. She must start making relevanct music. Use British folk beat, EDM, etc. With the voice it could be the new birth. No need for ridiculous notes anymore. The sound is on the worlds consciousness. Then come back with relevancy. I believe the world loves Mariah Careys voice in spite of being dragged through her personal life. It feels possible to me. (Wednesday 21 January 2015; 0:47)

New album: "Mariah Carey - No.1's live at Caesar Palace"? (49,254) by Andrew from UK To those who would say or thumbs up the inference that Mariah's smiles on Ellen are covering up pain: you people *want* her to be miserable it seems. She looked great, she sounded great, she was fun and engaging. Does everything about Mariah have to be about her private life and her pain? She did well. Why doesn't she wear things like that and have her hair that styled that way on stage instead of hideous ball gowns and flattened lifeless hair? And the look in the maid's outfit: she looked amazing without looking like she was trying at all. She looked 10 years younger. If she can pull off a residency without lipping or messing it up, release the album as "Mariah Carey - No. 1's live at Caesar's Palace". An updated studio No. 1's would be dull. A live Vegas album with all of them on would be exciting, fresh and something she hasn't done in 23 years. And keep the style going. This plus-sized-with-lifeless-hair, hoochy-mama-on-a-chaise-longue-in-a-shapeless-ballgown look should be buried forever. (Saturday 17 January 2015; 14:50)

Still crazy after all these years (48,932) by Andrew from UK A residency at Caesars? This is absurd. Her voice is currently, if not permanently, annihilated and you are talking about doing a residency? I assume then you want her to lip sync the whole thing or will giving up any vocal power please you and keep the dream alive. I worry for some "lambs". This borders on insanity. (Saturday 3 January 2015; 9:13)

Why silence is not an option (48,689) by Andrew from UK Fighting? Mariah message boards used to be places to read insightful, thought out comments from Mariah fans, it was interesting to read the discussions which were based upon fact, considered opinion and fun. This board in particular has become the chiefdom of a few crazies hell-bent on dominating the conversations with their own style of propaganda and coercion. I see the new low is "nobody respond to people who dare question what we say to be true and they'll disappear". And anyone who uses the word "hater" should be sent back to school. Or to a psychologist. I have loved Mariah's music all my life. I believe she is much better than what she has been doing for the past five years. I believe her choices to be wildly destructive in that time frame. And I won't be silenced by those who try to silence me pretending everything is okay. It's like carrying on with the party whilst the Russians marched on Berlin. Mariah herself deserves and needs a better sort of fandom than that, surely. (Sunday 21 December 2014; 18:51)

The queen delusion (48,663) by Andrew from UK The comment that current music listeners just "aren't sophistitcated enough" to appreciate Mariah's songs is a new low for "lamb" excuses. People haven't been playing and buying Mariah's music in the last 5 or 6 years is not because it isnt' good, but because it just isn't that good compared to other releases which can be more catchy (e.g. Taylor Swift) more accessible in it's emotional intent (e.g. Adele). Radio also is not interested in Mariah because all she has done in the past 5 years is relate a terribly boring and aloof persona. Also, putting up recordings of average singing, claiming it to be amazing and having disproved earlier criticism (when it doesn't - and she's still lipping the high parts, but we'll wash over that part and pretend it's not true before the "lambs" start bleating) and then pre-empting the intent of the person who disagrees, is an even lower low. It serves to highlight how desperate the maniacal "lambs" are to do or say anything to pretend nothing is wrong. Essentially to be a "lamb" you have to think Mariah is a "queen" who can never do anything wrong, everyone does things wrong to her, critics are "haters", people who don't like her new music are unsophisticated in their taste (pity the fools for liking accessible, relevant music) and the media are just damn right meanies to poor Mariah Carey for pointing out that she is not performing well (after arrogantly holding everybody up for hours and wasting their time just because she decided to). It's funny how the aggressive "lambs" call everyone who disagrees with their needy standpoint "haters" while spouting the most childish, petulant rubbish. I think "delusional" is too light a word. Peace out. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 20:28)

!? (48,530) by Andrew from UK So the moral is: "Don't act unlikeable or unrelatable and them people might like you or relate to you." The industry is increasingly geared towards musicians that people think of as "one of them" or representing something they associate with. Mariah harps on with an arrogant attitude throwing out the same rehearsed lines in every interview as if she had nothing to say and is skin deep. Then everyone is exasperated at "people judging her", "not showing her the respect she deserves", etc. What respect does she deserve after her attitude and public behaviour of the past five years? The Rockefeller incident is the beginning of something undoable I think. And the Grammys? It is likely they couldn't give a nomination to an album with vocals so engineered it sounded as if 96 Mariah found a time machine that stopped off to record Loverboy on the way here. The Marissa poster is right (although perhaps somewhat less blunt than I would have said it). This stuff needs to stop or more nails are going in that there career coffin. What happened to the interesting, relatable, glamorous, down-to-earth songstress? Seems she's getting what she deserves and all the "lambs" can do is stick their fingers in their ears. Thousands kept waiting at great personal and financial cost because she had to have a phone call? You make excuses for this? Haters gon hate. Lambs gon bleat. Mariah gon expire. (Tuesday 16 December 2014; 0:53)

Reap what you sow (48,507) by Andrew from UK Everyone, but everyone, has spoken about the Rockefeller performance. Because the woman with the voice couldn't physically sing her own famous Christmas song. Not because they're "haters". And it's not that they "new to know her". It's very simple. Perhaps if Mariah went back to the old Mariah of caring about her fans and not acting a diva then she might not have been stung with the vocal only edit being leaked. Keeping hundreds of fans and technicians waiting for three hours in the cold because she "had a phone call with her lawyer about the divorce"? Seriously the worst lie ever. So basically: everyone waited for nothing while she at there on a phone with the ability to put the phone down and move. So she got paid back in kind and now she's globally being ridiculed. Perhaps next time she will treat people with respect and start showing up on time to things. Lateness is the height of disrespect, especially when it's clearly intentional and covered with ill-considered lies. She's been taught a lesson, she should pay attention. (Sunday 14 December 2014; 18:55)

(48,367) by Andrew from UK Why is everyone with a negative opinion or criticism a "hater"? People are pointing out Mariah's performance because it was awful. She can't sing her own song. This cannot be dressed up in any way. Now the problem is, all of you who keep saying "She can do it, she needs a killer performance, she can still do this and that", well, I'm sorry, *you* are the problem. You are essentially saying to her that she needs to keep trying to do something she can't do or you'll be disappointed. Pressure, much? The voice sounds seriously damaged. There's no resonance or vibrato, it sounds arid and strained and the range extremely limited. Is rest going to fix this? No. She rested for years before the album release. And why did she go on US national television to sit something she must have practiced beforehand and realised "oh, I can't do it"? Because nobody is telling her to stop. Her legacy is now as damaged as her voice, and like her voice, it's a little irreparable. (Sunday 7 December 2014; 13:44)

Unexpected Back to the future part II (47,745) by Andrew from UK In saying what I just said: my friend just asked me what I was writing. It was just suggested that "I wish that you and I'd forgive each other" was akin to a plea from a "battered wife", if you will, to say "you win, you have the power, please just let me go". In fifteen years I never considered that. How strange a non-fan would show me that. I still think she's doing the totally wrong thing musically and creatively. But perhaps my irritation has led me to forget why it has happened. I'm not sure I have a point now lol except no re-release, no Thirsty video, no tour DVD with the same songs done. A new musical direction, live singing within reachable range, new image. And a new confidence. Shun the past. She's Mariah Carey. Own the planet. Make the planet sit up and say: good for her, she's older and she's doing something new. We can buy this. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 2:12)

Back to the future (47,744) by Andrew from UK I remember when Rainbow came out that the lyric "forgive each other" showed me that perhaps she regrets some things she did and I thought that the most brutally honest lyric she has written. I know this has gotten on to Mottola whereas I meant only to say it's unfair to criticise Afanasieff as he is defending his contribution which can't possibly only be scripting what she sang. It was more than that. But I think it's interesting to ponder if the Mottola control group and its payroll genuinely think of Mariah as someone who left the mafia-style protection and business and was the wrongdoer herself: does Afanasieff "genuinely" feel betrayed? Perhaps it's a morally unfair question but I think it interesting. It led, after all, to Mariah shunning other artists (peers) and becoming self-conscious and nervous. The comfort lipping mentioned in my earlier post stems from this. I wish she would let go, change direction, reinvent, and reconnect with other artists. And past collaborators? (Sunday 2 November 2014; 1:36)

Still I wish that you and I'd forgive "each other" (47,734) by Andrew from UK Tommy's sabotage is well-documented. The guy is a bit unpleasant to say the least. I just wonder how the "posse" see it? Do they believe Mariah betrayed them? Do they consider her ungrateful for what they believe they gave to her? I have thought it sometimes when she makes comments about being "forced into jean shorts in a field" etc. This stuff made her career appealing and stellar. Yet the business management of it is portrayed as evil, usw. Perhaps it would have been better to have just acknowledge their assistance and move on. I don't think she was probably entirely innocent. What happened after the Grammys in '96? The point is: yes, Walter omits a lot of Mariah's contribution to the compositions or rather portrays her as his assistant a lot. However I don't recall many times where Walter gets credit from Mariah. Nor anyone other than JD for that matter. So as in everything there's a flip side to the coin. N.b. this is observation and speculation, this is not a condemnation. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 16:15)

All Walter wants for Christmas (47,722) by Andrew from UK At the risk if taking over the board again - I have no intention, let's not hate on Afanasieff. Or even Tommy. We will never know what went on. The woman is a beacon, as proved by the Minaj absurdity, and has a class for not reacting, a class we would all be better people for adopting. I don't recall MC praising Walter for his contributions. Although in her defence, the Proctor's Special: "I sing it and he plays it" (to paraphrase). It does genuinely now feel like Mariah was right about a so-called Mafia type existence (did he say something like "she moved away from *us*"? I don't care to re-read it). Mariah doesn't let people cover? Respect. But she doesn't praise him either. Don't you feel like they considered Mariah a silly little girl who left the protection of the "family" losing them their cut? Maybe. AIWFCIY is perhaps going to go down as the most genius construction of music in history long after we have all come to pass. Wish people "Mariah Christmas". And wish Walter well. (Friday 31 October 2014; 22:33)

The future (47,720) by Andrew from UK Mate, you are right: the attempts to cover up the lipping with the usual gimmicks is, ironically, definitely the biggest give away. The instant shift in behaviour and facial expressions, even though Mariah of course knows she hadn't sung that way since day one, suggests she may be embarrassed or nervous about doing it. Regardless, the parts I'm hearing her lip she's actually doing elsewhere. Is it a breathing thing? Does she need pauses for the muscles? I don't get it. She should drop the FLAB-style endings. Do we need massive powerhouse anymore? It's not even in fashion. Let's stick to the harmonies, that soul-depth tone, the party beats and the sentimentality. I accept now that MC concerts are very much nostalgia after 24 years. Run with it and do that well, no? It should be all about the party not the ridiculous notes. People don't miss nineties/noughties Mariah or nineties/noughties vocals, they miss the nineties and noughties. And she can bring it back for a party. (Friday 31 October 2014; 21:59)

Addicted to lip (47,712) by Andrew from UK I think Mariah is unable to let go of lip-syncing parts of songs completely. In that My All video down there, she does pretty well. I dare say it even sounds "good". But the first chorus is lipped, even though she was singing those notes in that voice throughout the concert. I think she is so lacking in confidence that miming is her "blanky". Why is she still lipping the long note at the end of the bridge in Hero? In other performances she's doing an equivalent note. This has to be confidence issue. But then the spinning around so the audience can't see it, putting arm in front of face must be equally as nerve-wracking/embarrassing, whatever the word is. If the Sisterhood of the Travelling Panties disagree that the above parts were lipped I congratulate them on their reverie. My point is that, by the sounds of other songs, what she's miming doesn't even need to be mimed. (Friday 31 October 2014; 17:02)

God rest ye merry gentlemen (47,460) by Andrew from UK I see you all think this is a board where "your" opinion must be the only one heard and if you don't agree with others you want them silenced. Very [censored] of you. Perhaps that's why so few people post here. It's a band of five or ten people in a group out to silence nay-sayers. Oh and I know you probably sat there already thinking about the next queenie immature strips you can throw to hurt my feelings, but you can't and you won't. Point was: what Mariah is doing now has failed and harmed her career. She should take some time out, get a new sound, record radio-friendly relevant music, and record them in a range she can sing live. Only then does she stand a chance of winning back the public. Tick boom. (Thursday 16 October 2014; 16:11)

Got to be real (47,448) by Andrew from UK Really great topic in how someone would prefer a track listing on an album. It's weird to not imagine one song following another (you hear the next song before the current ones finished, right?). Interesting topic though and I like the Butterfly reshuffle. Me I Am woul profit from a massive permanent reshuffle. On that note. Re-release? This is some crazy deluded idea of people who can't admit failure. It's bombed. Neither that type of music, or Mariah as an artist, is what the populous want. So if "it's for the fans" let it be. If "Mariah doesn't care about sales" let it be. The public don't want it. Would be another embarrassment. As for the tour supporting sales a la Beyoncé-castle. Her tour wasn't a worldwide negative media trouncing. If it *is* going to come back, if the record vocals *were* real, let her disappear have a rethink and write songs people want to hear on the radio and that she can produce within the range she can hit. (Wednesday 15 October 2014; 23:09)

I was wondering (47,304) by Andrew from UK Hi Edward, I'm man enough to take criticism and to think on my actions. I'm not kissing ass, don't get me wrong. I just express frustration with sarcasm, dark humour, etc. like Stephen I do find it totally childish when ridiculous, untrue statements are made I guess. But I won't use someone to support my own arguments. I thought about it for the past day because I laughed in exasperation last time. At an online board. Then I questioned doing that. I will never get past how I feel as a fan and what I perceive to being "lamb"ness. I do not, for the last time, believe Mariah's fans not telling her the truth is right. It is, ostensibly, as bad as the people around her doing it. You know what I think. I get frustrated when there are endless posts telling her it's all good. I worry that the end is nigh. I'd personally rather she quit than go down in flames. I don't see an argument against it. Her vocals improved slightly. But the world is watching. What we covered up stands no chance of not coming out. So I put it to the people on this board, with sincerity, what should we all do? Do we go for it? Do we scream our opinion that it should be another way? Let's talk about what is best for Mariah now, for her legend, and for her future well being. And I'll drop the sarcasm. I hold my hand out. (Thursday 9 October 2014; 1:13)

But don't believe that's all there is to see (47,296) by Andrew from UK I thank Marcel for his reasoned comments on why I was jumped on for the "psychopath" comment. To explain: It was as dark a humour as the changing of If It's Over lyrics. I understand that doesn't come across in text. Yet I accept that people will jump to the worst conclusion because of the context oft other messages. That being said: I love Mariah.Let's think about this. I love Mariah, but there are two types of fans: those who try to convince everyone it was live and those who just accept it wasn't and question why. I was in the former until I woke up and people said "no, mate, we ain't buying it". Now I'm a realist. But I'm trying to tell you there's nothing "wrong" with accepting the truth. It will help us and it will help MC know that she doesn't have to keep up the pretence. Let's all be honest with her and her with us. If you were offended I apologise, I'm man enough to, I still think you're nuts, but let's all lighten up. Nothing is the end of the world. Believe me I want what's best. What I think is best for Mariah is not what a lot of you do. I think your sentiment will see the end of her career and legend. And you think me a negative "troll". I offered to hold the UK fan meeting in the city of London in the bar I run but people flaked (were all talk) for lambs and fans alike. I want the best. Sharon Osbourne defending her on The View is not the best. But you have your way and I don't mind. Enjoy The View. (Wednesday 8 October 2014; 21:40)

Really? (47,244) by Andrew from UK I find it hilarious that someone posts a video of Mariah's second concert where she is clearly lip-syncing and says "she's live, she's back". She's lip syncing. Don't ever call me a "lamb". It means "deluded psychopath" to me. This is just beyond. Mariah fans are becoming more of a joke than she is. She can't physically sing. It's time to stop. What a farce. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 11:25)

Cry. (47,234) by Andrew from UK I have the utmost respect for Edward. I made fun of his postings about lists and encouraged people to list list. Because I personally think that an expression of joy in the *music* and the incomparable songbook is great. We all have lists. It is global, eternal and incomparable. Give me any other artist's fan and I will hit them with the Mariah songbook and it's popular music telling of the human condition. I honestly, reasonably have that argument to make. But I have to hit this home now. Because I love her. We need to address this as her fans - not "lambs". I honestly believe we need to start talking to her about where it is going. I can stop hurting you. I know I am. But please, if you could say something to Mariah now, if she was reading this, and I believe she does, what would you say to her? "It's awful but I love you, keep with the ridiculous behaviour? Love your lip sync. Love the look. Love the promo. Love the songs you barely feature on. Love that you can't sing your own songs." I feel, I *feel* the time is nigh to stop. To say: "Hi guys, I did it. I did it. Nobody else did that. But I can't lie anymore." I'm more heartbroken than all of you in my head. I'm with Anthony. I couldn't take people to her concert. Even the bogus UK ones posted here. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 3:02)

Are the lambs still screaming, Clarice? (47,216) by Andrew from UK I am incredibly proud of those who have had the courage to stand up and say, "No, something is wrong. And it needs to be addressed." Anthony, Marcel, and the several Americans. In Anthony's case: that guy wears his heart on his sleeve and you can actually feel the pain. Ease off him, attack me if you want. I'm quite a blunt person, and I try to do things with humour, albeit dark. The If It's Over parody was because I was singing it to myself and, well, sometimes I don't need to get hairballed by life. It is what it is. I love Mariah Carey's music. I have since 1993. Her music is the soundtrack to my life. As my non-Mariah loving friend said a year ago, verbatim: "You know what, it doesn't really matter how you feel, that b*tch has a song that tells you how you're feeling. I get it." It's just unparalleled in the world. I knew that from the moment I heard it in 1993, and watched the songs spring forth. My favourite era is Glitter. She was in the UK for a long time, comparitively, I felt close to her. I felt closer to the honesty within the sound more than ever. It's not even the gymnastics, it's the tone, the resonance, the words, the melody, the sense, and the belonging and understanding. Yet she's not the woman I've grown up with anymore, she's a rambling mess and she just can't sing her own songs. You can't get around that. I've tried. I've lied. I've tried, again. Love to everyone. Even if you don't like my words, we're bound forever by one thing at least. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:31)

It's like that (47,178) by Andrew from UK So basically: "Say stuff we want to hear or don't say anything at all." Typical "lamb" talk. Mariah has not looked after herself or her career and you sit there deluding yourself. "The next album will be killer. The next concert she'll sing live. " And so on. The press is currently reporting a backlash amongst MC fans. People are fed up. No one thinks she's a robot. But people who pay lots of money to go to a tour are entitled to a good return on that investment and support. Don't tell me the chaise longue mumbling shows the support and respect is two ways. I know I sound really negative. Perhaps because I care a lot. I don't believe burying your head in the sand and humouring her awful decisions is going to help. People who support football teams criticise and are negative if the manager makes awful decisions or the players are not applying themselves or don't try hard enough. They don't stop supporting it they criticise so that it gets better. If she goes the way of Whitney, what good would your ignoring the problems have done? I think perhaps that's the most selfish attitude of all. You're too upset by it so everyone has to ignore it. I spare "your" feelings? Peace out. (Monday 6 October 2014; 7:45)

Open up your eyes and go (47,163) by Andrew from UK Lyric is right: the talk mumble thing to avoid notes is cringeworthy. What's the point? Are we not left with a singer who can't actually sing the melody of a song, who can't hold or resonate a note? Somebody tell me why almost everyone has abandoned her and is no longer interested in her career? I can't stress enough that these fans who say "she's only got yes people around her" (because nothing's ever her fault) then go on to tell her she's great and pretend nothing's wrong. Isn't this ironic? Basically, you want her ass off that chaise longue? You're gonna have to tell her. You all scream it and she may listen. If she doesn't, she's over. And does anyone now really believe any of the studio vocals for MIAMTEC? Honestly the audio for that concert is the most cringeworthy thing to listen to. The fans audibly singing were hitting notes she wasn't (or the notes she was just ignoring). Put it like this: if you paid a lot of money to go see, I dunno, Mamma Mia or Phantom etc., would you tolerate half the performances being lipped from the CD and the other half badly sing with intermittent mumbling when it's about to get a little technical? No. I don't want 90's Mariah back, I just want a proper artist. If the rats are running one way, the ship is probably going down. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:27)

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