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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Top posters (101,917) by Bill from the UK Jeez I need to chill out. (Tuesday 20 December 2022; 10:47) this is a reply to message 101,906

Top posters (101,906) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Top posters in 2022 01. Robert-Anthony from United States: 342 messages 02. Bill from the UK: 215 messages 03. Edward from USA: 141 messages 04. Stacey from USA: 106 messages 05. Matty from Vancouver Canada: 101 messages 06. MusicfanJ from Germany: 90 messages 07. T from USA : 89 messages 08. Terna from Nigeria: 86 messages 09. Randy from USA: 73 messages 10. jaker20 from US: 73 messages 11. Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway: 64 messages 12. RibbonB from USA: 57 messages 13. Lady B from USA: 57 messages 14. BFF from United States: 54 messages 15. RJJ12 from USA: 53 messages 16. SM from Somewhere only u kno: 52 messages 17. Jamie from UK: 51 messages 18. Libra Lamb from USA: 41 messages 19. Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter: 36 messages 20. Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia: 36 messages 21. TJ from Norway: 26 messages 22. "MariahHater" from Hell: 26 messages 23. Brad from USA: 26 messages 24. Steven Berning from USA: 24 messages 25. enwar00 from usa: 24 messages Overal posters 01. B from USA: 3595 messages 02. Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter: 3545 messages 03. RibbonB from USA: 2785 messages 04. Bill from the UK: 2269 messages 05. Licia from USA: 2267 messages 06. Edward from USA: 1632 messages 07. Andrew from UK: 1384 messages 08. Robert-Anthony from United States: 1359 messages 09. MusicfanJ from Germany: 1328 messages 10. this_is_qhm from the Philippines: 1171 messages 11. RJJ12 from USA: 1029 messages 12. Stacey from USA: 887 messages 13. Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada: 795 messages 14. Terna from Nigeria: 733 messages 15. Billy from Greece: 724 messages 16. Gee from U.S.A. (New York City): 715 messages 17. enwar00 from usa: 676 messages 18. Andrew from the United Kingdom: 640 messages 19. Marissa from USA: 574 messages 20. Lee TS from USA: 572 messages 21. Darren: 557 messages 22. Lila from United States: 530 messages 23. Special K from USA: 530 messages 24. Mara from United States: 528 messages 25. T from USA: 524 messages (Monday 19 December 2022; 22:13)

So what (101,890) by Bill from the UK You know when Mariah started out she was often proclaimed as "the next Whitney". With enabling fans such as yourself, she may well be. (Sunday 18 December 2022; 10:38) this is a reply to message 101,878

So what (101,878) by jaker20 from US Hon stop fooling yourself. You dont "care" about Mariah. You want to wheel her into a hospital and get fixed so that you can get entertained. "Honey, you use to be a 10, now you're a 5, you should get treatment cause I don't like this, surgery or watch your waistline or I don't like you anymore." Hilarious. Lol. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 17:45)

Christmas wrapping (101,886) by Bill from the UK What I will say, is that the cover of Christmas Wrapping was actually good and fits the remnants of her voice. Although it wasn't a live recording, the fact it had no melisma, no belting, no boring old whistles which frankly I'm sick of now, was refreshing and, after 25 years, something different. If MC reinvented herself and just sang melodious tunes with no unnecessary exaggerated showmanship and fake vocal gymnastics she can't replicate live, it'd go down a storm. (Sunday 18 December 2022; 00:33)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,871) by Bill from the UK Warning, warning. Delusional Enabling Lamb alert. The phrases "yaas queen", "she doesn't owe you anything", "she has nothing to prove" and "she was sick" have been detected within the vicinity. Everybody stand clear. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 13:07) this is a reply to message 101,867

Why is everyone surprised? (101,867) by Steven Berning from USA Or, maybe you are being melodramatic to get a reaction. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:36)

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,865) by Bill from the UK You'll continue to see these comments for as long as she's "performing" (for want of a better word), until she comes clean and stops pretending to be a world class singer when she isn't. So, get used to it. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 05:56) this is a reply to message 101,861

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,861) by Geronimo from USA We can all see Mariah Carey is not in a good place. I'd greatly appreciate a thoughtful explanation of the intended function of serializing goats' and lambs' riveting forensic takes on the tragic "farce" of it all ad nauseam when no one knows enough to shed light on what is actually happening with Mariah Carey. (Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,854) by Bill from the UK That's a fair point you raised at the end there. As it's been so long, is she supposed to say she's been fooling everybody for 25 years? I think we just value Mariah's voice, legacy and music more than she does. She clearly cares more about how she looks, the bank balance, and her endorsements over her voice, her music, and her legacy. It is incredibly sad, but perhaps she simply does not care about it as much as we do. (Friday 16 December 2022; 15:45) this is a reply to message 101,852

Why is everyone surprised? (101,852) by Randy from USA I'm definitely not here to gloat. I'm actually perplexed. I called voice deterioration in 1998/99 when I saw her on The View and Whitney Houston embarrassed her at the Oscar's. I called lip syncing in 1999 when every climax to Heartbreaker and Can't Take That Away was flawless yet she was a raspy struggle through the verses. But I was attacked for it and called not a real fan. The time I was attacked the most was when I called the 2006 Grammys a master cut and paste job. So to see all of this hoopla over these Christmas concerts baffles me. To me honestly, Mariah always sounds this bad. Pull up the Global Citizen concert from last summer. That Hero is almost identical to the MSG one a few days ago. That's why I wasn't spending $400 to see her. She got me once with the Charmbracelet tour. The other thing that you guys don't realize is that they are going to edit and dub the hell out of the Christmas show for CBS. What'll be interesting is how she'll respond when people start juxtaposing the live verses the televised. I take no joy in saying I'm right here and to be honest MC has surprised me too many times for me to say it's over for the voice. I said that in 99 and she shocked the hell out of me with Home for the Holidays in 2001. I said it again in 2012 and she shocked the hell out of me with the Jimmy Fallon's impromptu. I said it again in 2016 and she shocked the hell out of me with Stay the Night on Twitter. All I've wanted since 1997 on Oprah was for her to tell us what the hell happened. But like Stacey reminded me ... what the hell is she supposed to say? (Friday 16 December 2022; 13:22)

Supreme songbird (101,850) by Bill from the UK Just when I thought nothing could be worse than that dreadful remake of this song she did last year. (Friday 16 December 2022; 11:53) this is a reply to message 101,846

Supreme songbird (101,846) by MC1989 from Spain Well, I don't know that Joseph Khan, but if I agree with him. "No one like Mariah", no one could go and do Christmas Baby Please Come Home like this and make you feel like her vocal chords are bleeding. These people don't really love her. Someone who loves her would tell her to go to a doctor as soon as possible. I'm afraid Mariah is going to need a lot of cortisone for her last MSG show. (Friday 16 December 2022; 09:26)

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,849) by Bill from the UK I wish you hadn't shared that. I just burst into tears. This is heartbreaking. Something is really, really wrong. What on earth has happened? (Friday 16 December 2022; 11:51) this is a reply to message 101,845

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,845) by MC1989 from Spain So this may be her worst performance of her career. It's supposed to be aired on TV in a week. It doesn't matter how they end up editing it, people were there and the videos are all over the Internet. (Friday 16 December 2022; 08:54)

Toronto shows (101,815) by Bill from the UK The thing you're missing, is that someone has to say something, and we older fans do because we have followed her career with love and devotion since the beginning. No one in her camp is telling her to lay off the alcohol and weed, as it is crippling her voice and legacy. Not Bryan, not Trey, not Mary Ann. Why stop their paycheck? But any friend that loved and cared about her would see the self sabotage and do something about it. But, carry on shouting "yas queen" until she goes the way of Whitney. It will be on your head when that happens, for enabling and supporting and cheering on her demise. None of us are enjoying coming here to say this, but we love her too much to stand by and watch it unfold in front of our eyes. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 15:31) this is a reply to message 101,810

Toronto shows (101,810) by Shae_anne from Brazil Then [...] is what I'm saying, stop investing your time and hateful energy on her because that's all you'll do. Sit and back complain as if [...] could do any better. [...] stop talking out here as if your doing her any favors psychoanalyzing everything that she does. If she bothers you and you just feel critical about her instead of appreciating her as an artist that's established all that she needs to [censored]. She's at home with her millions and adoring fans that still appreciate her and your [...] to nitpick and bully her on about. [censored] (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:32)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,814) by Bill from the UK The benefit of phone recordings is that they remove the reverb. So it becomes abundantly clear when the lip syncing and pre-records kick in. Usually though we are put on notice as Mariah will fiddle with the malfunctioning ear piece (which I think is actually her cue to the sound technician), and then waggle her head when she mimes the note. If you enjoyed the concert good for you, but any spectator can see it was one of her worst yet. Hardly phenomenal as you put it. That status is reserved for the Daydream Tour stop at London on June 23rd 1996. What an evening that was. Sorry you missed out. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:51) this is a reply to message 101,802

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,802) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Who was actually at the first two Toronto shows? I'm curious, because [our] crew (friends) was in the third row, she was making eye contact, nostrils in full flair, no miming, and heard her voice as clear as a bell (from the stage, not the speakers blasting in the nose-bleeds or though someone's cell phone speakers). All I'm hearing is negativity based on cell phone recordings when the commenters weren't present. She sounds absolutely phenomenal in her current voice. She riffed, she went off singing script while singing, she improvised, she laughed. Monroe killed it during the duet. She sang her heart out with and she sounded as good as any of her epic eras. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Toronto shows (101,813) by Bill from the UK Terna you're completely right. How quickly everybody forgets that it was us original fans from the beginning that got her all those number ones, alongside her "own G4 and the Benz with the doors that lift up from the floor". She wouldn't be where she is today were it not for our love and support. And yes, she does score a number one every year. With a track from 1994 with 1994 vocals. Otherwise, she hasn't had a hit since Obsessed. And don't come at me with Big Energy. That was Genius of Love, with a rap, and featured Mariah on a remix. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:37) this is a reply to message 101,808

Toronto shows (101,808) by Terna from Nigeria The [fans] which is what I am, are who made, make and continue to make her who she is - and whatever achievements she has achieved, or records broken - we her core fan base are directly responsible for that and she should never ever get that fact twisted. She is up there because of us (all caps), our money and undying love effort and support. You tell her [we] said so. For you to come here with the bullsh*t talk about her not caring is just plain dumb. Is she going to those shows to sing to herself? Fans purchased those high priced tickets. The least she can do and is obligated to do is show up on her A game, or at the very least something close to it. You must be one of those gremlins on her team only concerned about your paycheck. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,807) by Bill from the UK Hah. It always makes me laugh when the age old excuse of her singing for 30 years is why her voice started going south (in 1997) to the point where she can no longer get through an entire song without playback, backing singer masking, breathing issues, flat and shouty notes etc. This is said even though hundreds upon hundreds of other singers that have been singing just as long sound fine, with minimal voice deterioration. Those that experienced it, shock horror, were heavy smokers, drinkers and drug users. Wake up and join the dots. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:31) this is a reply to message 101,805

Toronto shows (101,805) by Shae_anne from Brazil Everybody that was at the show spoke so wonderfully about it and how happy and more freer she's been in years and her attempt at regaining her confidence back, I am yet to hear an audience member demand a refund. A lot of you are very delusional if you honestly think she's going to sound like 90s Mariah, she's been in this game for 30 years get over it and move on to another celebrity if she does not feed your interest anymore instead of obsessively complaining about her. (Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:19)

Nodules and whistles (101,790) by Bill from the UK The thing is her voice got worse every year since 1990. Never thought I'd be praying for 2018 vocals but here I am doing just that. 2023 will be worse than 2022 for all the reasons you mention. The concerts won't stop as it's a lucrative scam. The ticket prices are astronomical and what you get in exchange is lip syncing, pre-records, awful vocals when live, and jibberish in between the songs. And yes, the squealing she does to prove she can still hit high notes is becoming as excruciating as the finger being stuck in her ear for theatrics. (Monday 12 December 2022; 15:28) this is a reply to message 101,788

Nodules and whistles (101,788) by MC1989 from Spain Whistles used to be an ornament in her songs, an extra or a plus to her huge voice range and singing abilities. Nowadays the narrative of "I don't remove my nodules because thanks to them I can hit whistle notes" is absurd. But then again, it' s Maria's choice, and I can even understand the fear of going under that kind of surgery. But right now, in these recent years, the whole range has been affected by the nodules, the lack of training and rehearsing, the bad habits and of course age. She even admitted that she doesn't train her voice before concerts during her Masterclass. She said she does a few vocal scales to see if the whistles and the low notes are there and goes singing. That's not that your instrument has become weak due to age or whatever, it's a personal choice of not wanting to warm up and really train on a regular basis. No vocal resting will change that. But hey, Mariah can whistle. Flat whistles that most of the times sound more like high weak screams than whistles. Between the lipped parts she keeps doing these little whistle screams to try to prove that although she lipped, she can hit some similar sound, if we can consider a shout a note. I'm here because I'm a fan. I'm always hoping to see if she gets better and if she can surprise me. I loved her memoir, The Rarities, some of her recent interviews, because I love Mariah. I spent more money on her than in any other artist I admire. I want her to succeed and to reach number one and I want people to appreciate her legendary catalogue apart from AIWFCIY. But lately I feel a little sad when I see her performing. I don't like people including me, talking about how bad this or that performance was. So why keep the exposure that much? If she can't sing good an entire song without any lipped part, lipped whistles etc, then stop performing, stop singing impossible songs for her current voice. Mariah can fool a non fan or a recent fan, but she certainly cannot fool fans like me who have been following her for more than 2 decades and have watched every single performance she has done since 1990. I can recognize immediately when she's lipping. And I had come to a point where I didn't mind she was using prerecorded tracks in some parts of certain songs if the rest of the vocal performance was really good. But this year's performances are really mediocres. Nowadays it's so evident when the lipped part comes in, that she can be happy that the thousands of people who pay the astronomic prices for her shows can think those parts are not lipped, and that they can't hear the differences between her 2022 voice and the 1994 voice for instance in Hark The Herald Angels Sing, where the alternation of those 2 different tones is pure cringe for someone who has a good ear. By the way I've also noticed that her lip synching has become a little more convincing to the general audience because in the recent years she's been using fillers in her face, and though she looks beautiful I also notice a lack of expression in her face. In the past her face muscles revealed very clearly when she was singing live and when not. I saw her in Madrid in 2020 and even though she lipped the same parts - because basically it's the same show with a few changes - the show was good and her voice sounded strong and beautiful. But 2022 is one of her worst vocal moments from what I've seen this far. Again, I hope she gets better. I will support her upcoming movie or series about her life, I would also love to hear her 1995 version of Someone's Ugly Daughter and her upcoming projects. But I would like her to stop giving these bad performances. (Monday 12 December 2022; 14:23)

Toronto shows (101,789) by Bill from the UK I did suspect Away In A Manger was lipped, but held my tongue. But yes, on closer inspection it is very obviously the case. Shame, but I suppose MC knew that performance might get some media attention. (Monday 12 December 2022; 15:24) this is a reply to message 101,787

Toronto shows (101,787) by MC1989 from Spain Amen. My point is that Mariah still has a beautiful tone and can sing in a low and medium register. But the problem is that she lost so much voice that she can't handle her songs from 20 or 30 years ago. She even lips the few verses she sings in Big Energy which aren't difficult. She should abandon those old songs. They will always be classics. No need to be struggling singing them and giving us cringy playbacks. She should only sing songs she can perform 100% live. By the way the beautiful duet with Monroe is prerecorded, so it's cringy to watch a kid doing playback with her mom in the middle of a "live show". If we think for a moment, there's not a single song in her concert that she does 100% live. Not a single one. Not even the few verses and first chorus of Miss You Most which also has some prerecorded parts. There are a few good vocal moments here and there during the show but that's it. I love her forever and I will support her albums and stuff in general but she's not a good live performer anymore, until she proves us wrong. (Monday 12 December 2022; 13:16)

Toronto shows (101,786) by Bill from the UK "My All" was probably the worst I've ever heard her sing. If you can call it that. (Monday 12 December 2022; 11:58) this is a reply to message 101,782

Toronto shows (101,782) by Terna from Nigeria Watching the clips, [one] can tell she's really struggling to put on a "singing" show but her voice is really not having it, so she talk sings or alters the melody. I really wish Mariah would get professional help. Now she's also having lower range issues as seen in the "Emotions" and "My All" clips with the unintentional vocal breaks. Another thing I noticed is the repertoire itself isn't the best for a singer her age seeing as it was written "16 to 25 minutes ago", she's missing a lot of qualities that were there before which enabled her sing so well – [agility], fluid and seamless registers, stamina in terms of youth etc just the ease of singing she once had in [general] which was an amalgamation of all these factors and more working hand in hand. It's [sad] to see the last of the two true [divas] struggling; with Celine and her health issues and Mariah and her waning instrument. (Sunday 11 December 2022; 15:46)

Mariah duet with Monroe (101,776) by Bill from the UK Wow, Monroe's voice is lovely. Very sweet and pleasant tone she has. That was a really cute duet between them. I hope it makes it onto the next Christmas album. (Saturday 10 December 2022; 22:23) this is a reply to message 101,772

Mariah duet with Monroe (101,772) by Edward from USA Mariah and Monroe had a cute duet on her Christmas Show. I think Monroe can sing. (Saturday 10 December 2022; 17:53)

Mariah on Colbert (101,769) by Bill from the UK It was a car crash. (Saturday 10 December 2022; 12:41) this is a reply to message 101,768

Mariah on Colbert (101,768) by enwar00 from usa I just watched it for a second time and I thought it was hilarious. Sometimes I'm glad she's just herself and puts her big eccentric dramatic personality on display. Personally I thought it was the perfect outlet for it, and their off the wall banter worked well. (Saturday 10 December 2022; 07:00)

Moet and Chandon performance (101,753) by Bill from the UK At the risk of sounding positive, I do agree she sounded better at this performance than the last time I saw a live performance (Saudi Arabia). I noticed she wasn't wearing a corset so perhaps it really is a valid excuse she uses haha. (Thursday 8 December 2022; 11:09) this is a reply to message 101,749

Moet and Chandon performance (101,749) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago Totally agree Robert. This is by no means Toyko Dome, however the confidence and ability to attempt some of what she was doing is certainly there for some reason, and its paying off. Its not like she's trying and failing. I like what I see. (Wednesday 7 December 2022; 15:00)

Charmbracelet - 20 years (101,744) by Bill from the UK Yes, my Charmbracelet on my playlist is a heavily edited version of the album: 1. Through the Rain (radio edit) 2. The One (without rap) 3. I Know What You Want 4. Yours 5. I Only Wanted 6. Clown 7. My Saving Grace 8. Bringin' on the Heartbreak (AC version) 9. Miss You 10. Sunflowers 11. Through the Rain (remix) My version is a bit more concise and digestible and removes the bland whisper-heavy tracks. I remember when I first listened to CB on the day of release, it was the only album of hers where I was actually frustrated half way through. By the 16th chorus of Lullaby I was like, just shut up already. The whole era was a bit of a miss. Lyrically the album is great, I'd put it up there with Butterfly personally, but everything seemed a bit half baked. (Tuesday 6 December 2022; 17:40) this is a reply to message 101,741

Charmbracelet - 20 years (101,741) by Nick G from Germany [I] have a love-hate relationship with [Chambraclet]. As an album bad to average at best. But it was the first album after [Glitter] that made me a Mariah fan. There are many irrelevant songs on the normal version. The album is the beginning of the eternal self-copying of itself and the attempt to make Butterfly new. Only through TEOM came a fresh wind. I prefer the bonus tracks. The ideal track list looks like this: 1. Miss U 2. Boy Street Remix 3. There goes my heart 4. Lullyby 5. You had your chance 6. Got a Thing for U 7. I know what you want 8. Clown 9. My Saving Grace 10. Through the Rain Then it would be a perfect RnB album. (Tuesday 6 December 2022; 10:50)

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,721) by Bill from the UK We can add exercise bikes to the list now lol. (Friday 2 December 2022; 16:55) this is a reply to message 101,532

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,532) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I already told you Mariah would do anything for money: performing for dictators, shoes, clothes, water, hard liquor, jewelry, perfumes, candy, cookies, hostels, chips, McDonald's, bitcoins, champagne, sex toys, dating apps, etc. (Monday 24 October 2022; 16:03)

QOC (101,720) by Bill from the UK Correct. They are realistic. (Friday 2 December 2022; 14:26) this is a reply to message 101,715

QOC (101,715) by Lady B from USA Amazing how few of your posts are positive. I wish you well. (Thursday 1 December 2022; 10:23)

QOC (101,709) by Bill from the UK It was about where on earth you got the notion she "graciously stepped aside" on the matter. That's your interpretation based on the fact her legal team didn't respond within the time limit, nowhere has that been stated. Not by Mariah, her representatives, or any publication. As always you make up little embellishments to strengthen your opinion/narrative. What probably happened, and I am speculating here, is that Mariah's team saw all the backlash from her attempt to trademark a phrase, as virtually every publication that wrote about it saw it for the money grab it was, and realised it would be more damaging to her brand than beneficial if she were to pursue it. (Wednesday 30 November 2022; 14:28) this is a reply to message 101,706

QOC (101,706) by Nikki from usa Sources for the definition of trademark, Bill? Surely, you can look that up. Or did you mean for the legal process of a trademark and and objections? I'm pretty sure I specified how that works, but anyone can look that up too. It's not a story I'm referencing. I would be mind boggled if you were asking for proof of Mariah's headlines over the past decade as if she's never been called the Queen of Christmas before since you've been on this board for over 20 years. Everything else is on public record and it's not hard to search. (Wednesday 30 November 2022; 07:39)

Macy's performance (101,677) by Bill from the UK I know, I am truly so grateful I saw her during her indisputable best. It was one of the best nights of my life. Mariah was at her peak, as were her vocals, her music, her looks, her confidence, and my love for her. (Friday 25 November 2022; 20:15) this is a reply to message 101,676

Macy's performance (101,676) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer." That time was simlpy magic on stage. Almost unreal. There's a reason 95 and 96 was Mariah mania around the world. I remember she had one concert in Germany, it was immediately sold out. If I had a time machine, I would choose that date to be part of the audience. You are really lucky to have witnessed her live during her Daydream tour. (Friday 25 November 2022; 19:03)

Macy's performance (101,673) by Bill from the UK Who'd have thought MC would lip sync. Colour me stunned. You're looking at $150-200 for one ticket to the Christmas concert. Plus travel and hotel if you're not based in New York. If you want to pay that much to watch her lip sync, get her hair and make up fixed on stage, bemoan the lighting, stick a finger in her ear, ramble on about her ensemble, drink champagne, and bark out an off key "EH" every so often, that's your prerogative. Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer. (Friday 25 November 2022; 15:19) this is a reply to message 101,669

Macy's performance (101,669) by Randy from USA Can I just say this. Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, Ciara, JLo, Paula Abdul can lip sync without criticism. Mariah Carey who is considered one of the best vocalist of all time cannot. Patti Labelle is 99 years old. She woulda sang. I know. I know. It was outdoors, her ear monitors weren't working, it was air conditioning outside, she has nodules, her humidifiers weren't working in her sleep chamber, her background singers were too loud. The funny thing is... her lip syncing wasn't a surprise to me. The mic is a prop at this point. But y'all really excited about her Christmas concerts? It will be the best cut and paste lip sync performance in history. Kinda like the 1996 Grammys. (Friday 25 November 2022; 04:21)

QOC (101,666) by Bill from the UK As always, state your sources. (Thursday 24 November 2022; 14:36) this is a reply to message 101,664

QOC (101,664) by Nikki from usa It would be nice if people who talked actually had a clue what they were talking about. Trademarks are for products and goods, not censorship. Literally, nothing would change on how anyone used the phrase. None of these women's lives would've changed. Everything would continue as it always has. Mariah didn't "lose" anything, in fact, she generously stepped aside. The objection wasn't qualifying. All Mariah had to do was respond and the trademark was hers. She chose to remain quiet. After the 3 month period lapsed the case is closed. Mariah literally gave up a name for a merch line for no other reason than someone had a problem with it and she's painted as a villain while her quote unquote fans talk about checking her morals. A trademark isn't a copyright. Some folks deserve some humble pie themselves. I find it interesting how many hear MC get dissed by ignorant haters and immediately take their side without question. Trademarks are for products only. It doesn't give her a "monopoly" on the holiday season. It's a product line. It doesn't change how anyone uses the expression. It only prevents others from selling other products under the phrase. It's not that deep or encompassing. There is no current trademark on any of these things which gives Carey the right to use it. All she had to do was respond. She actually stepped aside and let the 3 month time limit lapse. She didn't "lose", there was no "battle", and she was denied for simply not bothering to respond. She let it go and she didn't have to. She's literally been called, "the Queen of Christmas" by every publication and it's uncle for the past decade. These ignorant stories do make her look bad and many of you pile on top. MC did something kind and you helped paint her as a villain. (Thursday 24 November 2022; 05:27)

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