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If you were a star would you.... (102,576)
by JC from USA
(Tuesday 18 April 2023; 20:59) | | |
This is where Taylor kind of crushes it. She uses fan accounts (ie Taylor Nation) to actually drive narratives, lay Easter eggs, etc.
I wouldn't look at basic headlines but I'd look at what my fans are posting and engage with them. I'd also have my team either run or work with fan sites/handles.
I'd also have my team use data through social monitoring tools to identify overall sentiment and trends. And also identify top level influencers that we should engage with.
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This is a reply to message 102,573 by
Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
(Tuesday 18 April 2023; 16:38) | | |
Maybe not read comments and replies that often, I think that would have made me crazy. The comments are either overly positive or overly negative.
I might come to this board once in a while, because we are not yes people on this board. But maybe I would have stayed away when the messages become too harsh. But I would go for the constructive criticism. |
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1994 video (102,500)
by JC from USA
(Friday 7 April 2023; 06:26) | | |
Great interview. I love how they talk about a potential classic Christmas song and then we get AIWFIY to become the staple it is. It doesn't sound like she even knew it would be from this interview, but for those that watched documentary on it, the composition was so intentional. And I love every time she mentions Miss You Most at Christmas Time, my personal favorite.  |
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This is a reply to message 102,496 by
Xavier mariohmix from Spain
(Thursday 6 April 2023; 21:46) | | |
| She's always been saying the same. |
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Miley Cyrus - fun challenge (102,499)
by JC from USA
(Friday 7 April 2023; 06:16) | | |
I've been listening to the new Miley album (esp. Jaded, Violet Chemistry, and Muddy Feet). Much, much better than her last IMO. For those interested, check 1:44 on Violet Chemistry. Remind you a little bit of a specific MC track as well? It's unlikely a nod to it, but it makes me smile every time I hear it.  |
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#Beautiful (102,370)
by JC from USA
(Wednesday 22 March 2023; 06:29) | | |
| I hear the points but, although short, I like the track and Mariah’s verse. It was a light-hearted summer jam. Sure, not a full blown song, but still superior and integral to her catalogue than Almost Home or Art of Letting Go, both out around the same time (both are guilty pleasures). |
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This is a reply to message 102,369 by
Edward from USA
(Wednesday 22 March 2023; 01:06) | | |
#Beautiful is a nice song, but it lacks a bridge or something. Some artists sacrifice the integrity of their songs by making them too short in order to have a better chance at a hit. Mariah has just a six-line verse in #Beautiful while Miguel has an 8-line one and then the chorus. Marian [sic] sounded like a guest on her own song.
"All Cried Out" should've been recorded by Marian [sic]. Now that's a great song. |
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Die For You (102,318)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 9 March 2023; 00:04) | | |
You're right. Remixes are counted and whichever one dominates gets credited. That's why you're seeing artists today release several remixes last minute (ie Nicki Minaj, a super freaky girl) in hopes of reaching the summit.
Here's a great Reddit post I found when I quickly searched following reading your post which talks through the changes BB has made, quite comprehensively.
A lot of changes over the year. I do think Mariah would have a lot more "hits" if promo singles were counted back in the day. Then again, so would others, and labels would've restrategized rollouts to accommodate it. |
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This is a reply to message 102,315 by
jaker20 from US
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 18:16) | | |
I'm not a chart expert, but I think BB count remixes all the time. The only difference is who gets credited, which has a different rule. The rule is that the remix has to sell more than the original (or I think there's a specific ratio), for the featured artist to get credited.
For example, Mariah wasn't credited for Latto's BER last year. In spite of her contribution actually helping the song immensely. If it wasn't for her remix version, the song wouldn't get to the top 10, nor become a big hit that it was. |
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The real reason for no respect (102,309)
by JC from USA
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:47) | | |
Haha, cheers. Another one that goes on the board after a few splashes.
I would say, despite the deterioration of her voice, her musicality is generally intact. For example, "You and I" for Stevie or her Patti tribute, raspy AF but she still delivered a unique take while being respectful of the original performance.
I find some performances by Bey or Christina (love them both, especially the former) are overdone to be showy.
When I look at runs for example, I judge based on the following criterion: precision (hits each note), pitch, and placement (meaning, does it actually fit musically and enhance the song).
I do think she always wanted to be a singer but not a performer. Much more of a studio artist, where her creativity shines. Not just the songwriting but the overall production of the track/album. |
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This is a reply to message 102,308 by
Randy from USA
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:12) | | |
| I was drunk when I wrote that post. Forgive me. St. John the Divine, If It's Over at the Grammys, Emotions at MTV Unplugged, Home for the Holidays and Impromptu for Jimmy Fallon exists. And she sang her ass off. I would like to apologize to my MCA family. I think what's frustrating me is that the diva antics, getting her makeup done on stage and lighting comments, as well as the repeated phrase, most people don't realize I write all of my songs, was shoved down the public's throat and I know those talking points were to distract from her being coined one of the greatest singers of all time when her voice deteriorated hella fast without explanation. |
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"It's a Wrap" on the Hot 100 (102,257)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 23 February 2023; 19:30) | | |
And the correlation between TikTok and streams is becoming less significant. Here's a great article from Billboard.
While there were certainly some indicators in 2020 that showed promise, going viral on TikTok is not a leading indicator of commercial success.
That said, the large reach of these viral TikTok sounds will undoubtedly capture an entirely new audience for MC, which benefit her catalogue overall. With that said, I'm glad she and team understand the importance of seizing the opportunity. |
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This is a reply to message 102,254 by
Edward from USA
(Thursday 23 February 2023; 13:13) | | |
| Things don't work like that anymore. People stream more than listen to the radio. If it gets enough momentum on the main streaming platforms, radio would pick it up eventually. Some stations have started playing it. |
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Mariah's Cookies fail (102,248)
by JC from USA
(Wednesday 22 February 2023; 05:04) | | |
It's a saturated market (including warm cookies) and was likely in sufficiently funded (and certainly promoted). I don't think it was intended to be a forever thing. Some great things aren't meant to last.
I think it was a lowly-invested effort to test the market, similar to the Irish crème. If she were to do F&B/cookies, she should focus on Advent or days leading up to Christmas. Did we expect to see Mariah pushing cookies for years? Her brand/white label deals have always been short-term. Automatic Princess anyone?
What I would love to see is something with Pharrell now that he's the CD for LV. I made my friends watch Say Somethin' video to celebrate, filmed in the four story LV store in Paris. I don't think Mariah ever expected commercial success for that song, but supported the idea of Pharrell in control and used it to help him out. And now, here we are... |
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This is a reply to message 102,246 by
Brad from USA
(Tuesday 21 February 2023; 19:06) | | |
It had been a minute since I last ordered Mariah's Cookies, so I thought I would order them today. To my mind, the pleasure of them wasn't just their relatively good flavors but also that they were delivered to your home and they were already warmed. Well, it seems those days are over. I used the Mariah's Cookies app to try to order for delivery in my area and delivery is no longer available. I was directed to DoorDash and I can't find them on that app either. I called the local restaurant (Bertucci's) that used to deliver them and the person indicated "yeah, technically you could come here and get them but I haven't had anyone ask for them". Bertucci's is also going out of business in my area.
Clearly, something is bust with the former business model for these cookies and they haven't exactly taken off in my area (Connecticut). Have folks had different experiences than my own? For what it's worth, even though they were costly, I enjoyed them and liked the flavors and the fact that they arrived at your front door warm. |
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Rarities (102,229)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 16 February 2023; 15:14) | | |
| I'd give "my all" for one strong song (in terms of production, arrangement, writing, and vocal progress) or even a live cover over another round of songs that didn't make an album (for whatever reason). |
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This is a reply to message 102,228 by
Edward from USA
(Thursday 16 February 2023; 13:10) | | |
| From 2014 to 2018? No, thank you. More 1990's and 2000's is needed. With a sprinkle of 2010's of course. |
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It's A Wrap EP (102,205)
by JC from USA
(Friday 10 February 2023; 18:56) | | |
While I have little hope of the song ascending to the top 10, I love the Edit Version. Much more radio friendly and, musically, love the bass at the :07 mark and scaling back the instrumental over some lyrical highlights (ex Maury Povich).
I always this song was cute and humorous. I like a light hearted Mariah (cue the chuckle at the end). |
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This is a reply to message 102,200 by
Libra Lamb from USA
(Friday 10 February 2023; 15:56) | | |
I'm glad to see Mariah getting a lot of attention for a song that is over a decade old, besides AIWFCIY. Whoever said Mariah is not relevant until Christmas is delusional. The thing is, her discography has so many gems like this one and the children don't even know it yet, but they are slowly discovering her music. She's been slept on by the general public since TEOM and I think people are starting to crave real music again because the radio and top 40 is mostly hot garbage. She is and will always be the queen. All hail Mariah.  |
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Memoirs is underrated (102,136)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 26 January 2023; 11:13) | | |
| I like The Dream and loved My Love but would never recommend this album to a non-lamb. Very depressing, sans Obsessed. She was obviously in a dark place. I did love seeing her promote it on the today show upon its release, though. The whole album's tone can be set by the Betcha Gon Know intro. You see, Caution is a "mood" album. Memoirs is a "moody" album. Big diff. |
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This is a reply to message 102,108 by
Edward from USA
(Sunday 22 January 2023; 13:05) | | |
| "The Dream" was definitely hot back then, but there a variety of hot producers back then too. I don't think Memoirs is a bad album, there are many songs I do like, and there are some great lyrics on it too, actually her last decent cover is on it, but that's one thing. I refer to the variety in sound. Different from E=MC2, it is kind of boring to me, that's all. There was supposed to be project with the remixes for it, and it was shelved too. |
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Butterfly tour footage - Sydney (102,135)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 26 January 2023; 11:06) | | |
| Thank you for sharing. I love The Roof performance. I don't think I had seen this one before. |
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This is a reply to message 102,126 by
Billy from Greece
(Wednesday 25 January 2023; 16:32) | | |
| Oh my goodness. Where did these come from? My All and The Roof. Oh dear. More here. Emotions and My All audio from the soundboard. |
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Butterfly tour footage - Sydney (102,134)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 26 January 2023; 11:02) | | |
Ruined her instrument in 8 years? She should've never been touring. The rasp (which I like when accessed appropriately, a la If Only You Knew) always occur when fatigued.
Music Box tour was worse than some of these performances.
It's all fatigue. For example, her whistles are thin (not "airy") due to this, hence why she's likely to produce a fuller sound in the following weeks.
That's not to say he voice didn't mature during this time. Letterman Butterfly is an example of a beautiful albeit strained voice. But her voice has also matured several instances, both earlier and later in her career.
Sadly, one of the most signature parts of her voice, the head voice, seems gone. But still strong in earlier eras. |
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This is a reply to message 102,131 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Wednesday 25 January 2023; 23:58) | | |
| You can hear her voice very clear in these clips, it's a very clear recording. Unfortunately, one can also hear how damaged her voice was even then (1998). How did you manage to fry your instrument in just 8 years? She's really struggling vocally especially on "My All" the incessant scratches one can hear and the whistle notes in "Emotions" are very weak and airy and almost not even picked up by the [microphone]. I don't know what Mariah's problem is, but one would think that developing nodules would've gotten her serious about the technical aspects of singing, how they came to be, what she did wrong and how to remedy the situation because any trained and qualified vocal coach would let you know. Instead she adjusted her singing style and the way she pronounced words going from rounded glossed vowel sounds, to a jarring unpleasant strained sound, adding even more pressure and kept on managing the situation. It's so unfortunate how she had this glorious instrument and just totally ruined it, literally threw it away. |
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Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,178) (101,185)
by JC from USA
(Monday 12 September 2022; 01:12) | | |
| The Roof is my fav Mariah song. I loved [Brandy] on the track but vocally they sound similar it's hard to even distinguish them at times. But, nonetheless, beautiful voices on a stunning track. And personally endearing to Mariah herself. |
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Mariah / Whitney singing each other's songs (100,896)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 4 August 2022; 11:22) | | |
While visiting a fellow lamb in DC, we went back and forth on this topic. As much as I respect themselves as artists, I wish Mariah and Whitney covered each other in their primes. There is no way they were not singing each other's songs when they came on the radio.
What do you wish you could hear Mariah sing of Whitney's and vice versa? I'd love to hear Mariah's rendition of Just the Lonely Talking Again. I'd also love to hear Whitney crush I Don't Wanna Cry. Who cares about Jeter? They probably hung out five times, max. |
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Re:#Butterfly25 (100,870) (100,872)
by JC from USA
(Monday 1 August 2022; 07:53) | | |
No offense but you are not speaking on behalf of us. The Roof with Brandy was cute (though they sounded too similar, little contrast) and I honestly don't think Mariah is simply going to press play on the existing instrumental and hum. I'm here for anything she's willing to deliver and a refinement of pre-existing work is totally aligned with the 90s dubbing. I just hope for at least 2 new tracks or remixes with less derivative vocals.
Chill, child. We all love MC, and if she wants to re-do some tracks off her best album, it is her right. And it should be [Butterfly]. Daydream is out of the question.
Side note. Decided today to go for Halloween as a monarC butterfly (black leotard, big wings) in honor of the anniversary. |
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Re: MC hurry up (100,847) (100,850)
by JC from USA
(Saturday 30 July 2022; 04:37) | | |
I love the album, especially THIQUE and Church Girl. I know Mariah's probably been listening to it. I think Bey may have an album of the year. Universal acclaim.
But yes, I need MC16 too. Even just one good "It's like that" moment. |
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Re: What sank Charmbracelet? (100,837) (100,838)
by JC from USA
(Wednesday 27 July 2022; 09:32) | | |
Critics panned it because her voice sounded weak and there are simply no great songs. Lyrically or musically. Everything about the album was off - too conservative without any risk, no hooks, no theme, and a frail voice hidden behind a whisper. It is my least favorite of any Mariah album. Nothing about it makes sense.
Extra point to the person the blamed its demise on the cover art. Yes, it must be it. Pulled from Wiki, which I totally agree with:
Rating Charmbracelet two out of five stars, Barry Walters from Rolling Stone wrote that none of the songs were bold, that the lack of hooks made the album weak, and said, "Carey needs bold songs that help her use the power and range for which she is famous. Charmbracelet is like a stream of watercolors that bleed into a puddle of brown." |
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Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,555) (100,557)
by JC from USA
(Thursday 23 June 2022; 09:13) | | |
Why the heck are we lamenting about an erratic speech (which should definitely not be compared with AIWFCIY's playful tone, totally different) when her tribute was underwhelming and she should have had a higher caliber of artists paying respects.
Sure, she had years to work out her speech, but maybe she was caught up in the festivities and splashes. Y'all are reaching.
Congrats, Mariah. While the 90's may have perceived you as a formulaic writer, it's developed a blueprint for generations. You deserved this. |
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Re: Nostradamus on twitter (100,385) (100,402)
by JC from USA
(Monday 6 June 2022; 05:51) | | |
Nostradamus is generally spot on and usually uses words carefully. There's a lot of talk of Cardi, but based on recent Twitter engagements, my eyes are on Saweetie.
I do think Cardio's name would be more beneficial propelling a song commercially. However, she's a bit more "pop" and I picture Mariah working with Saweetie more seamlessly while providing guidance and giving more of an edge musically.
This all said, Cardi only has one full studio album under her belt and she's expected for a big summer release. Could they relate? |
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Re: Just an opinion AIWFCIY (100,392) (100,401)
by JC from USA
(Monday 6 June 2022; 05:42) | | |
Absurd. This is not the same as lifting a sample. The only thing these have in common are a title. I'm sure it will be settled out of court and this guy will undeservingly make some cash.
Also, in terms of "little proof" - Irv Gotti confirmed the takedown. And the obscurity of the Firecracker sample is reason enough.
And, for what it's worth, I do think MC has mistakenly lifted a melody ("You are not alone" by MJ for "Hero", specifically). But this is unequivocal, there is no bias, and I recommend avoiding music law.
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Re: Why does the Billboard article credit Mariah on BE? (100,252) (100,253)
by JC from USA
(Monday 9 May 2022; 06:49) | | |
Billboard has actually always been against Mariah. Remember when she was the only female pop artist to have two songs debut at #1 before they changed the rules so AirPlay was more impactful? Non commercial releases were not even chart-able then.
I hope the BBMA performance does bolster streams and, in turn, overtake the original, but it's nice to actually hear her out.
Today, I heard the original Fantasy at JRs and the BBE Remix at Roundup and Mr. Misster here in Dallas.
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Re: Billboard Hot 100 (100,143) (100,145)
by JC from USA
(Wednesday 13 April 2022; 03:32) | | |
Not to mention the subject of this thread pertains nothing to the ARIA charts. No offense, but I'm not interested in how BER peaks in Australia.
My guess (pure speculation) is there is a video for the remix. Not sure Mariah and Latto would've just done those promo teasers and not take advantage of the opportunity.
Let's hope they bust it out soon (at BER peak) for a last minute push in attempt for a #1. |
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Re: Statistics (100,047) (100,050)
by JC from USA
(Tuesday 29 March 2022; 17:53) | | |
Thanks for sharing. Looks like some great momentum. Personally, I love the track. I'm glad there isn't a new verse (though I would loved to have the "I'm in heaven..." part also included).
In Dallas, they've already been mixing these two songs together at the clubs for at least the past few weeks.
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Re: Underated? (99,568) (99,570)
by JC from USA
(Monday 31 January 2022; 13:51) | | |
The OP brings up valid points in the fact their careers are shaped similarly. The key difference for me is that Celine was always riding the adult contemporary wave, while Mariah embraced her more urban sound in 1997, much to the disappointment of many.
I do think Renee and Tommy both saw artists like Whitney and polished their own versions in a supreme female vocalist. Celine is culturally different, being French Canadian, and has done a beautiful job crossing over. Mariah came out as a "Whitney" type but as the last responder failed to mention, they quickly changed course by Music Box. Mariah Carey and Emotions have deeper, more gospel tones whereas she begins using more of a chest/head mix with her voice during Music Box and all subsequent years. They realized they needed a distinction.
Celine has a beautiful voice for someone to say they "hate" her voice or songs is incredibly biased. I do think Mariah's probably always had a bit of an ego for writing her own music but nothing she's written in the past 10 years compares to Falling Into You in terms of composition. Her writing has gotten very messy in terms of word choice and structure. Falling Into You was Celine's Daydream.
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