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About JC from USA:
Mariah fan since Music Box through Now.
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Qatar wedding performance (103,687)
by JC from USA
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Most of what I've seen her mic was on but likely singing over herself. I think she sounds great. My All sounded the best it's sounded in recent years. I'm excited.
I feel the lambs have an unrealistic expectation. I noticed this during LA Pride, for example, where I (and many others) felt she sounded amazing, yet lots of hate from the lambily.
(Sunday 8 October 2023; 22:52)
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Qatar wedding performance (103,684)
by Luke from Slovakia
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Her mic was off most of the show unfortunately (even on the parts she used to sing live). Obviously her voice has not gotten any better since last Christmas. I'm kinda afraid about upcoming concerts. She looks stunning though.
(Sunday 8 October 2023; 12:06)
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Qatar wedding performance (103,674)
by JC from USA
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Has anyone else been seeing Mariah's recent performances from a wedding in Qatar? I think they're from this past week. The mic is on and she sounds great and I'm loving the energy. Here's a link to one of a few clips I've seen on Tik Tok.
(Saturday 7 October 2023; 18:59)
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Christmas shows (103,664)
by JC from USA
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When she came to Dallas last time, she was at the Toyota Music Factory I believe. These are much bigger venues ($$$) but I do think she'd have the draw at Christmas for American Airlines Center.
I'm so glad I got to see her show at the Beacon Theater when she was there. So intimate. Granted, lower production budget, but the "camp" just added to the magic of "Christmas in New York".
(Thursday 5 October 2023; 00:30)
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Christmas shows (103,653)
by Bobby A from United States
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I wonder why there are not any Atlanta, Dallas, or Houston shows? It seems odd. Also, who is managing MC right now?
(Wednesday 4 October 2023; 01:29)
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Mariah isn't defrosting, she has never been frozen (103,652)
by JC from USA
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I still giggle at her response to Shawn Mendes' post about listening to old Mariah Carey.
(Wednesday 4 October 2023; 00:00)
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Mariah isn't defrosting, she has never been frozen (103,648)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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Exactly, Andy.
(Tuesday 3 October 2023; 16:11)
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MB30 (103,440)
by JC from USA
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Original Hero takes the cake, always. But MB30 has me feeling unfulfilled. While MB is vocally a "prime" era, she's artistically stifled and the album feels forced, likely a result of surmounting pressure resulting from Emotion's underperformance commercially (though incredible album). These new from-the-vault songs sound horrifically dated and while her vocals are amazing on My Prayer, it's a complete skip for me.
If we are going to be celebrating anniversaries of albums every dang year, I wish we'd only celebrate and spend time more with those where she is liberated as an artist.
(Monday 11 September 2023; 15:30)
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MB30 (103,403)
by Randy from USA
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Hey fam. I've been busy since I have a new teaching assignment this year. So I finally listened to the new music. I have to say. I am excited you all are excited. But I don't like My Prayer or Workin Hard. Mariah sounds incredible but what would you expect for '93? I just don't like the songs and understand why they were left on the cutting room floor. Hero 2009 had my attention on the first verse and chorus. She sounds absolutely breathtaking. Pun intended. I didn't like the 2nd verse at all. Ima stick with the Never Too Far/Hero Medley as my definitive version. I am not being a negative Nancy, I was summoned by Robert. And to a lesser extent Edward. It's good to see a flurry of activity on the board. Pun intended. P.S. I wonder what a Right to Dream remix would sound like? I have a DJ friend. Hmmmm.
(Saturday 9 September 2023; 22:49)
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Tommy or no career at all (103,145)
by JC from USA
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Labels will often establish their own variation of what's working/hot. Think the big Latin wave, boy bands, pop princesses, girl groups. Divas are not excluded.
And I would agree Mariah shared more similarities with Whitney at the very start, but they quickly veered away from her richer/darker tones in her voice for more airy and bubbly.
Mariah would've had a career without Tommy, but you have to give him credit. He knew (and ran) the business for decades before her and was masterful (yet controlling) and everything was calculated and perfect up until Mariah took the reigns.
(Monday 7 August 2023; 13:31)
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Tommy or no career at all (103,142)
by Lady B from USA
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To the contrary, it is well documented that there was a bidding war for her first deal. That's why she had enough leverage to own her masters.
(Sunday 6 August 2023; 21:35)
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Summer songs (103,077)
by JC from USA
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Living in Dallas, I spend my summers in the pool. Here are my favorites to play that others love. No ballads, just an uptempo Mariah medley that folks, even those who don’t stan MC, still gravitate to:
- Big energy (remix) - Honey - Obsessed - Loving you long time - Touch my body (Seamus Haji remix) - Shake it off - We belong together (remix)
(Wednesday 26 July 2023; 21:43)
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Summer Songs (103,076)
by Randy from USA
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The summer songs by MC I play are typically not ballads. Loverboy (remix), Honey (Bad Boy remix), Fantasy (with ODB and the pop hook Stacey knows what I'm talking about lol), Fourth of July, Underneath the Stars, It's Like That, Circles, Obsessed with Gucci mane, Up Out My Face with Nikki, More Than Just Friends, You Don't Know What to Do and GTFO. I tend to listen to Mariah's ballads when I'm emotional which is 99.9 repeating % of the time. But when I want to have fun during the summer those are the jams I play/request.
(Wednesday 26 July 2023; 14:21)
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If you were a star would you.... (102,576)
by JC from USA
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This is where Taylor kind of crushes it. She uses fan accounts (ie Taylor Nation) to actually drive narratives, lay Easter eggs, etc.
I wouldn't look at basic headlines but I'd look at what my fans are posting and engage with them. I'd also have my team either run or work with fan sites/handles.
I'd also have my team use data through social monitoring tools to identify overall sentiment and trends. And also identify top level influencers that we should engage with.
...as someone that works in marketing.
(Tuesday 18 April 2023; 20:59)
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If you were a star would you.... (102,573)
by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
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Maybe not read comments and replies that often, I think that would have made me crazy. The comments are either overly positive or overly negative.
I might come to this board once in a while, because we are not yes people on this board. But maybe I would have stayed away when the messages become too harsh. But I would go for the constructive criticism.
(Tuesday 18 April 2023; 16:38)
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1994 video (102,500)
by JC from USA
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Great interview. I love how they talk about a potential classic Christmas song and then we get AIWFIY to become the staple it is. It doesn't sound like she even knew it would be from this interview, but for those that watched documentary on it, the composition was so intentional. And I love every time she mentions Miss You Most at Christmas Time, my personal favorite.
(Friday 7 April 2023; 06:26)
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1994 video (102,496)
by Xavier mariohmix from Spain
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She's always been saying the same.
(Thursday 6 April 2023; 21:46)
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Miley Cyrus - fun challenge (102,499)
by JC from USA
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I've been listening to the new Miley album (esp. Jaded, Violet Chemistry, and Muddy Feet). Much, much better than her last IMO. For those interested, check 1:44 on Violet Chemistry. Remind you a little bit of a specific MC track as well? It's unlikely a nod to it, but it makes me smile every time I hear it.
(Friday 7 April 2023; 06:16)
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#Beautiful (102,370)
by JC from USA
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I hear the points but, although short, I like the track and Mariah’s verse. It was a light-hearted summer jam. Sure, not a full blown song, but still superior and integral to her catalogue than Almost Home or Art of Letting Go, both out around the same time (both are guilty pleasures).
(Wednesday 22 March 2023; 06:29)
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#Beautiful (102,369)
by Edward from USA
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#Beautiful is a nice song, but it lacks a bridge or something. Some artists sacrifice the integrity of their songs by making them too short in order to have a better chance at a hit. Mariah has just a six-line verse in #Beautiful while Miguel has an 8-line one and then the chorus. Marian [sic] sounded like a guest on her own song.
"All Cried Out" should've been recorded by Marian [sic]. Now that's a great song.
(Wednesday 22 March 2023; 01:06)
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Die For You (102,318)
by JC from USA
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You're right. Remixes are counted and whichever one dominates gets credited. That's why you're seeing artists today release several remixes last minute (ie Nicki Minaj, a super freaky girl) in hopes of reaching the summit.
Here's a great Reddit post I found when I quickly searched following reading your post which talks through the changes BB has made, quite comprehensively.
A lot of changes over the year. I do think Mariah would have a lot more "hits" if promo singles were counted back in the day. Then again, so would others, and labels would've restrategized rollouts to accommodate it.
(Thursday 9 March 2023; 00:04)
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Die For You (102,315)
by jaker20 from US
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I'm not a chart expert, but I think BB count remixes all the time. The only difference is who gets credited, which has a different rule. The rule is that the remix has to sell more than the original (or I think there's a specific ratio), for the featured artist to get credited.
For example, Mariah wasn't credited for Latto's BER last year. In spite of her contribution actually helping the song immensely. If it wasn't for her remix version, the song wouldn't get to the top 10, nor become a big hit that it was.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 18:16)
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The real reason for no respect (102,309)
by JC from USA
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Haha, cheers. Another one that goes on the board after a few splashes.
I would say, despite the deterioration of her voice, her musicality is generally intact. For example, "You and I" for Stevie or her Patti tribute, raspy AF but she still delivered a unique take while being respectful of the original performance.
I find some performances by Bey or Christina (love them both, especially the former) are overdone to be showy.
When I look at runs for example, I judge based on the following criterion: precision (hits each note), pitch, and placement (meaning, does it actually fit musically and enhance the song).
I do think she always wanted to be a singer but not a performer. Much more of a studio artist, where her creativity shines. Not just the songwriting but the overall production of the track/album.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:47)
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The real reason for no respect (102,308)
by Randy from USA
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I was drunk when I wrote that post. Forgive me. St. John the Divine, If It's Over at the Grammys, Emotions at MTV Unplugged, Home for the Holidays and Impromptu for Jimmy Fallon exists. And she sang her ass off. I would like to apologize to my MCA family. I think what's frustrating me is that the diva antics, getting her makeup done on stage and lighting comments, as well as the repeated phrase, most people don't realize I write all of my songs, was shoved down the public's throat and I know those talking points were to distract from her being coined one of the greatest singers of all time when her voice deteriorated hella fast without explanation.
(Wednesday 8 March 2023; 00:12)
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"It's a Wrap" on the Hot 100 (102,257)
by JC from USA
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And the correlation between TikTok and streams is becoming less significant. Here's a great article from Billboard.
While there were certainly some indicators in 2020 that showed promise, going viral on TikTok is not a leading indicator of commercial success.
That said, the large reach of these viral TikTok sounds will undoubtedly capture an entirely new audience for MC, which benefit her catalogue overall. With that said, I'm glad she and team understand the importance of seizing the opportunity.
(Thursday 23 February 2023; 19:30)
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"It's a Wrap" on the Hot 100 (102,254)
by Edward from USA
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Things don't work like that anymore. People stream more than listen to the radio. If it gets enough momentum on the main streaming platforms, radio would pick it up eventually. Some stations have started playing it.
(Thursday 23 February 2023; 13:13)
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Mariah's Cookies fail (102,248)
by JC from USA
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It's a saturated market (including warm cookies) and was likely in sufficiently funded (and certainly promoted). I don't think it was intended to be a forever thing. Some great things aren't meant to last.
I think it was a lowly-invested effort to test the market, similar to the Irish crème. If she were to do F&B/cookies, she should focus on Advent or days leading up to Christmas. Did we expect to see Mariah pushing cookies for years? Her brand/white label deals have always been short-term. Automatic Princess anyone?
What I would love to see is something with Pharrell now that he's the CD for LV. I made my friends watch Say Somethin' video to celebrate, filmed in the four story LV store in Paris. I don't think Mariah ever expected commercial success for that song, but supported the idea of Pharrell in control and used it to help him out. And now, here we are...
(Wednesday 22 February 2023; 05:04)
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Mariah's Cookies fail (102,246)
by Brad from USA
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It had been a minute since I last ordered Mariah's Cookies, so I thought I would order them today. To my mind, the pleasure of them wasn't just their relatively good flavors but also that they were delivered to your home and they were already warmed. Well, it seems those days are over. I used the Mariah's Cookies app to try to order for delivery in my area and delivery is no longer available. I was directed to DoorDash and I can't find them on that app either. I called the local restaurant (Bertucci's) that used to deliver them and the person indicated "yeah, technically you could come here and get them but I haven't had anyone ask for them". Bertucci's is also going out of business in my area.
Clearly, something is bust with the former business model for these cookies and they haven't exactly taken off in my area (Connecticut). Have folks had different experiences than my own? For what it's worth, even though they were costly, I enjoyed them and liked the flavors and the fact that they arrived at your front door warm.
(Tuesday 21 February 2023; 19:06)
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Rarities (102,229)
by JC from USA
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I'd give "my all" for one strong song (in terms of production, arrangement, writing, and vocal progress) or even a live cover over another round of songs that didn't make an album (for whatever reason).
(Thursday 16 February 2023; 15:14)
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Rarities (102,228)
by Edward from USA
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From 2014 to 2018? No, thank you. More 1990's and 2000's is needed. With a sprinkle of 2010's of course.
(Thursday 16 February 2023; 13:10)
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It's A Wrap EP (102,205)
by JC from USA
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While I have little hope of the song ascending to the top 10, I love the Edit Version. Much more radio friendly and, musically, love the bass at the :07 mark and scaling back the instrumental over some lyrical highlights (ex Maury Povich).
I always this song was cute and humorous. I like a light hearted Mariah (cue the chuckle at the end).
(Friday 10 February 2023; 18:56)
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It's A Wrap EP (102,200)
by Libra Lamb from USA
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I'm glad to see Mariah getting a lot of attention for a song that is over a decade old, besides AIWFCIY. Whoever said Mariah is not relevant until Christmas is delusional. The thing is, her discography has so many gems like this one and the children don't even know it yet, but they are slowly discovering her music. She's been slept on by the general public since TEOM and I think people are starting to crave real music again because the radio and top 40 is mostly hot garbage. She is and will always be the queen. All hail Mariah.
(Friday 10 February 2023; 15:56)
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Memoirs is underrated (102,136)
by JC from USA
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I like The Dream and loved My Love but would never recommend this album to a non-lamb. Very depressing, sans Obsessed. She was obviously in a dark place. I did love seeing her promote it on the today show upon its release, though. The whole album's tone can be set by the Betcha Gon Know intro. You see, Caution is a "mood" album. Memoirs is a "moody" album. Big diff.
(Thursday 26 January 2023; 11:13)
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Memoirs is underrated (102,108)
by Edward from USA
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"The Dream" was definitely hot back then, but there a variety of hot producers back then too. I don't think Memoirs is a bad album, there are many songs I do like, and there are some great lyrics on it too, actually her last decent cover is on it, but that's one thing. I refer to the variety in sound. Different from E=MC2, it is kind of boring to me, that's all. There was supposed to be project with the remixes for it, and it was shelved too.
(Sunday 22 January 2023; 13:05)
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Butterfly tour footage - Sydney (102,135)
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Thank you for sharing. I love The Roof performance. I don't think I had seen this one before.
(Thursday 26 January 2023; 11:06)
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Butterfly tour footage - Sydney (102,126)
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Oh my goodness. Where did these come from? My All and The Roof. Oh dear. More here. Emotions and My All audio from the soundboard.
(Wednesday 25 January 2023; 16:32)
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Butterfly tour footage - Sydney (102,134)
by JC from USA
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Ruined her instrument in 8 years? She should've never been touring. The rasp (which I like when accessed appropriately, a la If Only You Knew) always occur when fatigued.
Music Box tour was worse than some of these performances.
It's all fatigue. For example, her whistles are thin (not "airy") due to this, hence why she's likely to produce a fuller sound in the following weeks.
That's not to say he voice didn't mature during this time. Letterman Butterfly is an example of a beautiful albeit strained voice. But her voice has also matured several instances, both earlier and later in her career.
Sadly, one of the most signature parts of her voice, the head voice, seems gone. But still strong in earlier eras.
(Thursday 26 January 2023; 11:02)
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Butterfly tour footage - Sydney (102,131)
by Terna from Nigeria
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You can hear her voice very clear in these clips, it's a very clear recording. Unfortunately, one can also hear how damaged her voice was even then (1998). How did you manage to fry your instrument in just 8 years? She's really struggling vocally especially on "My All" the incessant scratches one can hear and the whistle notes in "Emotions" are very weak and airy and almost not even picked up by the [microphone]. I don't know what Mariah's problem is, but one would think that developing nodules would've gotten her serious about the technical aspects of singing, how they came to be, what she did wrong and how to remedy the situation because any trained and qualified vocal coach would let you know. Instead she adjusted her singing style and the way she pronounced words going from rounded glossed vowel sounds, to a jarring unpleasant strained sound, adding even more pressure and kept on managing the situation. It's so unfortunate how she had this glorious instrument and just totally ruined it, literally threw it away.
(Wednesday 25 January 2023; 23:58)
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Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,178) (101,185)
by JC from USA
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The Roof is my fav Mariah song. I loved [Brandy] on the track but vocally they sound similar it's hard to even distinguish them at times. But, nonetheless, beautiful voices on a stunning track. And personally endearing to Mariah herself.
(Monday 12 September 2022; 01:12)
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Mariah / Whitney singing each other's songs (100,896)
by JC from USA
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While visiting a fellow lamb in DC, we went back and forth on this topic. As much as I respect themselves as artists, I wish Mariah and Whitney covered each other in their primes. There is no way they were not singing each other's songs when they came on the radio.
What do you wish you could hear Mariah sing of Whitney's and vice versa? I'd love to hear Mariah's rendition of Just the Lonely Talking Again. I'd also love to hear Whitney crush I Don't Wanna Cry. Who cares about Jeter? They probably hung out five times, max.
(Thursday 4 August 2022; 11:22)
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Re:#Butterfly25 (100,870) (100,872)
by JC from USA
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No offense but you are not speaking on behalf of us. The Roof with Brandy was cute (though they sounded too similar, little contrast) and I honestly don't think Mariah is simply going to press play on the existing instrumental and hum. I'm here for anything she's willing to deliver and a refinement of pre-existing work is totally aligned with the 90s dubbing. I just hope for at least 2 new tracks or remixes with less derivative vocals.
Chill, child. We all love MC, and if she wants to re-do some tracks off her best album, it is her right. And it should be [Butterfly]. Daydream is out of the question.
Side note. Decided today to go for Halloween as a monarC butterfly (black leotard, big wings) in honor of the anniversary.
(Monday 1 August 2022; 07:53)
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Re: MC hurry up (100,847) (100,850)
by JC from USA
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I love the album, especially THIQUE and Church Girl. I know Mariah's probably been listening to it. I think Bey may have an album of the year. Universal acclaim.
But yes, I need MC16 too. Even just one good "It's like that" moment.
(Saturday 30 July 2022; 04:37)
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Re: What sank Charmbracelet? (100,837) (100,838)
by JC from USA
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Critics panned it because her voice sounded weak and there are simply no great songs. Lyrically or musically. Everything about the album was off - too conservative without any risk, no hooks, no theme, and a frail voice hidden behind a whisper. It is my least favorite of any Mariah album. Nothing about it makes sense.
Extra point to the person the blamed its demise on the cover art. Yes, it must be it. Pulled from Wiki, which I totally agree with:
Rating Charmbracelet two out of five stars, Barry Walters from Rolling Stone wrote that none of the songs were bold, that the lack of hooks made the album weak, and said, "Carey needs bold songs that help her use the power and range for which she is famous. Charmbracelet is like a stream of watercolors that bleed into a puddle of brown."
(Wednesday 27 July 2022; 09:32)
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