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Soundtracks (101,484) by jaker20 from US What a weird post. You are literally saying she shouldn't do it because its "not her strong point" in spite of you praising their quality just a post prior. Read your posts again. Lets see, Tennessee. Great song. But didn't go anywhere. Therefore, she shouldn't do it again? And now you're saying Celine did it better. So what? Therefore she shouldn't do it? Im not even sure you realize how weird you sound. I will stick by what I said. Your judgement on Mariah is clouded by these success metrics that you can't even consistently articulate. At this point in her career, you should be more open minded and loosen up from what she's done in the past instead shooting down ideas. No one said soundtracks was Mary J. Blige and Beyonce's forte, but that got them nominated for Mighty River and Be Alive long after their pop star peaks. All it took was them doing it. Soundtrack are just songs made for movies. They also take a journey of luck and unexpected results when it goes out to the public. It's also a space that doesn't discriminate based on age and style. Mariah's done it well before, and I'm confident she can do it again. "Never ever listen to anybody who try to discourage you, they do that. Believe me." (Tuesday 18 October 2022; 18:42) this is a reply to message 101,482

Soundtracks (101,482) by Bill from the UK I don't care whether Mariah's music charts or not, so long as it's good. In the UK she only has had three number ones, two of them covers. I'm not used to her dominating the charts like in the US. My point, which you missed, was that soundtracks aren't her speciality nor her strong point. Let me (gasp) compare her efforts to Celine Dion's. Beauty and the Beast, When I Fall In Love (Sleepless In Seattle), Because You Loved Me (Up Close and Personal), and My Heart Will Go On (Titanic) were all huge internationally successful songs. If you have Celine on your soundtrack it is likely to do well, Mariah, maybe not. Mariah's strengths lie elsewhere was the point. Sometimes it seems like you look for things that aren't even there just to cause friction. (Tuesday 18 October 2022; 14:45)

Soundtracks (101,480) by jaker20 from US So you yourself call Tennesse being "heartfelt and unique" and Glitter a "great album and great concept", but because they didn't chart well, you devalue the whole effort like they're worthless. Arts not charts. Move on. When I say lambs are chart-obsessed your post is a great example yet again. And When You Believe is a great iconic song. It's also one of Mariah's most streamed songs, consistently in her top 5-i, beating most of her "hits". The disrespect some of you have on her "non hit songs" is gross. (Tuesday 18 October 2022; 04:22) this is a reply to message 101,479

Soundtracks (101,479) by Bill from the UK Let's look at Mariah's track record with soundtracks to bring this back down to earth: 1. When You Believe with Whitney. Two biggest voices on the planet came together yet didn't make the top 20 of the US charts. A moderate hit elsewhere, but not the tour de force people may have expected. 2. Glitter. I probably don't need to elaborate on this. A great album, a great concept, but the execution was a disaster. 3. Tennessee. Sorry Randy but Right to Dream didn't go anywhere sadly, despite it being quite a heartfelt and unique offering in Mariah's catalogue. 4. Almost Home. Mariah didn't even write this one from memory. It didn't feature in the film and was stuck on the very end of the closing credits. 5. Infamous. Just no, I've played that song 2 and a half times and I never want to hear it again. (Tuesday 18 October 2022; 01:44)

Soundtracks (101,478) by jaker20 from US What I want Mariah to do is record soundtrack songs. Because that area is accepting to any artists, any age, any style. And its exposure has more unpredictable results thats doesn't depend on her promoting it, which lets face it, she doesn't do much anymore. Soundtracks have a life of its own. She's been in the industry for along time, and I had hoped that she's connected with many artists to jump into soundtracks of different movies. (Monday 17 October 2022; 21:52)

Mariah Carey appreciation (101,477) by jaker20 from US No one has Mariah's career. No. One. No artist manage to dominate pop music for an entire generation. And then dominates a full season in a year, every year. Many have one or the other, but not both. It's so easy to forget what she's achieved. Her career is incomparable to anyone. That's not hyperbole. That is fact. Try it. You can't name one like her career (male or female). (Monday 17 October 2022; 21:31) this is a reply to message 101,469

Mariah Carey appreciation (101,469) by Steven Berning from USA I have loved the Butterfly25 celebration, and seeing Janet's The Velvet Rope25 celebration has got me really feeling additional appreciation for Miss Mariah. Us hardcore fans can be so loving, but also so critical of our fave. We can hold our fave to such demandingly high standards. We say things like, "Why does Mariah do this? Why doesn't Mariah do that? Why can't Mariah sing like she did when she was 19, 25, 30, 35?" Does anyone ask Michael Jordan why he doesn't dunk like he used to, before he retired at 40? But, I digress. For Butterfly25 Mariah gave us: a mini documentary, two new remixes, two acapella versions, a diamond collection, promo photoshoots for the diamond collection, a duet with a beloved and nostalgic R&B legend, updated music videos, a televised and well-promoted concert performance with a new song mash-up, merchandise, live performances on both streaming and YouTube, interviews with high profile publications like Vanity Fair, etc. My point, simply comparing to Janet's 25-re-release, Mariah has given us a super respectable and super fun mini-era. No shade to Janet, rather a cause for celebration and appreciation of our queen, Miss Mariah. As much as some folks on this board like to think that she does not work for us, you are wrong, she puts in a ton of work. (Monday 17 October 2022; 09:41)

Christmas surprises (101,476) by jaker20 from US Why sit this out? This is literally the only time of the year that Mariah goes out there to perform and most actively connecting to fans, and can truly call her own. I'm not sure why people seem to think her Christmas achievement can come naturally and can just easily sit it out and reap the benefits. She kept promoting this song since the song's inception every Christmas which means for the last 25 years, and finally reaping the benefits of her perseverance. And just 5 years ago, stans of other artists mocks Mariah as being nothing but a Christmas artist. Until she hit no.1 and now they all want the same legacy. Just because Mariah is the "Queen of Christmas" doesn't mean that achievement can't be snatched by another artist very easily. Kelly for example has been going hard every Christmas and has been gaining. Ariana is doing the same. They are just waiting for an opening. So no, she can't "sit this one out". Unless she is releasing a new Christmas song. (Monday 17 October 2022; 21:25) this is a reply to message 101,467

Christmas surprises (101,467) by Randy from USA I'm completely the opposite. I'd like her to sit Christmas out and let the song do the work naturally. I do not like the narrative that she gets dusted off for Christmas each year and is put back. Edward I agree the whistle is used to prove she can "still sing". And Terna for as much as you get on me for being mean, Whitney who? Is very disrespectful of someone who not only MC worked with, but MC respected and is an icon. Whitney Houston was someone's mother, daughter and sister. Maybe it's the Christian in me but I respect human life no matter how many mistakes someone makes. And no matter where Celine is, she can outsing MC. And Ima tell you this, there's so many YouTube videos and TikTok's of lambs tryna prove MC can sing. No other artist's fans feel the need to prove their artist still "has it". I wonder why. (Monday 17 October 2022; 00:34)

Re: Full of grace (101,446) (101,447) by jaker20 from US That was also more than 20 years ago. "Where did this Mariah go?" Some here were a fetus back then. Me, I was in grade school, where was that kid who had booger hanging out my nose walking around the school. I was so adorable. You should post where you were no? Just to illustration how mind-boggling your expectations are? (Thursday 13 October 2022; 22:04) this is a reply to message 101,446

Full of grace (101,446) by Terna from Nigeria This is the Mariah I [fell in love with]. That entrance, the raw 100% live singing, husk, rasppiness and all. Then the confidence on stage, not bothering to look pretty nor have good angles for the lighting (notice her exit after that beautiful applause was on her "bad side", no insecurity there). Where did this Mariah Carey go to? Today she really isn't this girl singing here anymore. That line she sings on Candy Bling though, "I'm the same Mimi, fame ain't changed me". Yeah [right] Mariah. Still got love for her though, that will never change. (Thursday 13 October 2022; 20:34)

Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,418) (101,421) by jaker20 from US There's a third camp, which is about the music. I am on that camp, maybe I'm the only one on it and I'm ok with it. What that camp says is that she's not just a vocal, the camp that believes Caution is a fantastic album. She's an artist who creates and writes music. It's really what sets her apart from the big voices and the great lyricists because she is both. It's always been about the music for me, live or not. As long as she produces good music like I know she's capable of, she's will always be the queen in my book. (Saturday 8 October 2022; 03:22)

Re: The numbers are so confusing (101,365) (101,388) by jaker20 from US Mariah has sold more than 200 million worldwide. That number has been stuck for years, while other artists are now starting to claim wild numbers on their own. According to Sony Music Asia Pacific, Mariah has sold 1.6 billion units in Asia. And you know what, I would believe that before I believe Madonna's new claim that she sold 400 million so she can retain her "queen of pop" title which is as hilarious as Mariah's "queen of Christmas". And then other artists are also claiming wild worldwide numbers as well. Worldwide, it's a complete joke. At least now we can claim that Mariah is, bar none, the best selling album female artist in the US, and that gap is bound to increase every year. (Monday 3 October 2022; 03:56)

Re: Mariah's certifications (101,354) (101,362) by jaker20 from US I thought she had a great year, or at least better than last year. BER was a global hit, even though it didn't chart in the US. It brought lots of new attention to Fantasy. (Wednesday 28 September 2022; 20:28)

Re: Pitchfork picks "Fantasy Remix feat. O. D. B." (101,357) (101,361) by jaker20 from US I concur. It really is pop perfection and set a standard for featured artists done right! It's one of those songs that gets better over time. (Wednesday 28 September 2022; 20:17)

I Stay In Love (101,298) by jaker20 from US This is such a beautiful song. Mariah should license this to a show or a movie soundtrack and give it a second life because it deserves to be heard again. In fact, there's a lot of really great songs in this album! (Thursday 22 September 2022; 23:53)

Re: Exhausted and angry (101,116) (101,122) by jaker20 from US It's amazing that when she's not releasing, she is tired. So it's probably something happening around her, that is not related to her music. She seems happy when she is making music. But when she is not making music, she's tired. I honestly think lambs are Mariah's happy place. And the people around her are too much to handle. (Thursday 1 September 2022; 22:47)

Re: New music (101,106) (101,112) by jaker20 from US I agree that we would normally know because she would be in her best shape. But maybe it's time to be confident of her new shape as well. And also right now, she would miss a great opportunity. The points are so low for songs in the top 10. That is how Beyonce got a number 1, not because it's a good song, but because there's not a lot of competition. I love her but I'm sorry, that song is just awful. Taylor is also releasing because she know this, so it's going to be all about her. I think Mariah is badly managed, and her releases during the past 10 years are badly timed. (Wednesday 31 August 2022; 15:40)

Re: Nicki Minaj thanked Mariah (101,091) (101,096) by jaker20 from US To this day, I'm not 100% sure if their beef was real. I know years later, Mariah said she's upset about the Idol situation, but that's more about the situation with the management than with Minaj. With that said, you can't deny that their collab was great and the song is a bop, and that's all that matters. (Monday 29 August 2022; 20:05)

Re: If it was Whitney? (101,069) (101,076) by jaker20 from US I personally don't mind her re-recording her classic albums in some way, sort of a different spin but the overall spirit of the songs and album would still be there. These are classic albums that can never be replicated. So she should put a different take on them, not just sing them note for note, like covering her own songs. But it would take plenty of creative thinking to achieve it, or getting the right people involved. I think classic songs should be updated for them to really reach more people and classic status. Beatles and Elvis songs would be forgotten by now if it wasn't for hundreds of artists covering his songs. Mariah's songs are difficult to sing, which is a double edge sword. No one can replicate her originals, but it also limits transcending different walk of life because of their degree of difficulty to sing, and that's where covers and reinterpretations come in. (Sunday 28 August 2022; 21:52)

Re: Negativity (101,061) (101,075) by jaker20 from US The latter. Some here are just being oversensitive. I don't see anything wrong with posters expressing their thoughts particularly when Mariah is being silly. Imagine being one of the most impactful female artist of all time, having the most number 1's, next only to the biggest band of al time, now wanting to be called the queen of Christmas. What a giant step down just to make money. She's already the queen of Christmas by main accounts. But to claim it for more Christmas bags and merch is embarrassing. It just make her seem like she doesn't want to make music anymore. It is bound to backfire. She should focus on making music. I want more of Caution and show more of her art. One thing that do annoy me though is when lambs say her voice is shot. That's a lie. It's only true if you think Mariah should make more 90s type music where she does high notes 90% of the album. That style has its time, 30 years ago. She also doesn't sound like that anymore. It's not better of worse, just different. Caution proves that, because she sounds great on it. She should express her art in that level now, and collaborate. It's called changed and growth. Unfortunately she may have to shred some lambs who expect her to sing in 90s standards. But it's not like they're checking Caution. Peace all. (Sunday 28 August 2022; 21:30)

Article: Mariah Carey wants to trademark "Queen of Christmas" (100,986) by jaker20 from US Mariah's going to lose this case. Lol. This is embarrassing for her to do. (Tuesday 16 August 2022; 15:39)

Re: Still here (100,962) (100,963) by jaker20 from US Oh I don't believe any of their numbers. I would believe Mariah sold 1.5 billion before I believe any of the others. Like how did Halsey sell 150 million or Nicky Minaj 100 million or Madonna jumped from 250 m to 400 m in less than 10 years when sales are dead and she's not relevant anymore. Even Cyndi Lauper gets more streaming than her. Now Taylor, Rihanna, Beyonce, and everyone are claiming wild numbers. About that Billboard list, I would put Mariah number 2 but I wouldn't be surprised for her to go to number 1 eventually. You see, that's why other artists are manipulating their numbers, because they don't have any classics that will outlast all of us. By the way, I am not arguing though, I just sound like that lo. (Friday 12 August 2022; 15:51)

Re: Still here (100,959) (100,960) by jaker20 from US Depending on which source you look at, Rihanna has sold 250 million, which beats Mariah. Even Halsey's label Capitol Records is claiming she sold 150 million. Artists are gaming these numbers, because they are out there getting their records certified and conniving with various publications. Even Wikipedia's list of best selling artists is a joke. There is about a dozen data and chart trackers out there claiming so and so numbers. Just a few years ago, Sony Asia gave Mariah a certification for 1.6 billion sales units, which beats The Beatles making her the best selling artist of all time, yet nobody believed it, lambs included, even though Billboard published the article. But is it that far from the truth? She is the only artist, The Beatles included, that sells every single year after they once dominated the game. I guess I will start referring to that number. If you can't beat them, join them. (Friday 12 August 2022; 02:00)

Re: Still here (100,953) (100,956) by jaker20 from US You all notice how artists have been grossly inflating their numbers? I was watching Jimmy Fallon, and Madonna is now claiming to have sold 400 million. These claims kept going up during the last 10 years when sales are basically dead. I feel like many acts are scrambling to secure their spots because sales are over, so they are now grossly inflating numbers. Meanwhile, Mariah is the only artist who can justify actual claims because she actually have a classic that literally sells annually. (Thursday 11 August 2022; 19:51)

Re: RIP Olivia Newton John (100,946) (100,948) by jaker20 from US Truly an icon. RIP. I love their duet of Hopelessly Devoted To You. I can tell Mariah was fangirling on stage and it's so cute to watch. I didn't realize it has so millions of views on YouTube. I get so many emotions watching it. She was a lovely person inside and out. (Tuesday 9 August 2022; 20:54)

Re: Bey snubs Mariah (100,934) (100,937) by jaker20 from US "Deep In Vogue" sounds nothing is prior to Madonna's "Vogue". Stop starting fake news about suing and everything. (Monday 8 August 2022; 17:18)

Re: Bey snubs Mariah (100,930) (100,931) by jaker20 from US I don't think Bey snubs Mariah. I don't know why y'all think Mariah is entitled to another aritst's mention. This forum is such an echo chamber. (Monday 8 August 2022; 02:24)

Re: MC hurry up (100,892) (100,893) by jaker20 from US Well at least you admit that Diane is being shady. She wasn't asking a question, she wants Beyonce to get dragged because apparently her work doesnt fall into what she consider to be "innovative"? Like how does that affect her exactly that she would go out of her way to complain about it. How pretentious. (Wednesday 3 August 2022; 22:36)

Re: MC hurry up (100,882) (100,890) by jaker20 from US Dianne Warren wasn't "simply asking", she was being shady. She is also out of touch and stuck in the past, sampling is a reality of the current musical landscape. Mariah herself samples. Maybe not to the same extent as Beyonce but she does. (Wednesday 3 August 2022; 18:17)

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