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Something's going on behind the scenes (103,510)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 05:49) | | |
| Andrew is so spot-on here. Follow blindly, is the irony missing on you? |
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This is a reply to message 103,506 by
Brandon from USA
(Saturday 16 September 2023; 02:53) | | |
| My comment was out of concern for Mariah and nothing else. As a dedicated lamb from the beginning, I can be concerned and question things as I see them. You choose to follow blindly and that's ok for you. I want the best for MC and if something doesn't look right, I will speak on it. With that being said, I hope everything is ok and that we get to see more of her healthy soon. |
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Emotionally stiff (103,045)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Friday 21 July 2023; 07:48) | | |
| Preach. Snaps. |
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This is a reply to message 103,042 by
Andrew from United Kingdom
(Friday 21 July 2023; 01:35) | | |
| I would like to associate myself with your sentiments somewhat. However, people are of course entitled to express opinion but lies must be challenged If I were, for example, to claim that Aqua's Barbie Girl is a direct copy of Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell - that is flatly denying obervable reality. Any suggestion that "It's their opinion and they're entitled to it" is rather problematic because it assumes that a lie can be justified under the umbrella of individulism and self-expression. In any case, it's just planily stupid - and it very much is, so I am declaring it - to say that everything else on Daydream is a copy of Fantasy and One Sweet Day. Now if someone wants to state such a thing and provide, then, evidence to support the hypothesis, that's an argument, that's good, that can be debated in an attempt to discover truth. I recall a few years ago asking to no response what people meant on this board by declaring "everything Mariah realsed since 2005 is a copy of We Belong Together." I asked, if they meant, the harmonies, the theme, the style, the phrasing, the melody, the... whatever. I still don't know. I can't hear We Belong Together in Touch My Body which was refreshingly different for Mariah. I can't hear it in Obsessed. Nor can anyone who isn't deaf of very hard of hearing or just stupid for stupid's sake hear Fanasy or One Sweet Day in Looking In. The claim is false, there is nothing to support it as it stands and any attempt to dress it up as an opinion is at best unhelpful and at worst just stupid. Lies ust be challenged. Flatly denying observable reality is lying. Now somebody may not like the rest of the album, and that's fine. I would support them in shouting it from the rooftops, were they so inclined. But some eivdence to support my rather excellent argument: it's a positively stupid claim given that, as I understand it to have been, Underneath The Stars was the first song written and recorded for Daydream. So unless Tommy Mottola had a time machine (which I am namng the Time-y Mottola), as Judy Sheindlin put it: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining." Peace out. |
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Mariah's a songwriter? (102,944)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Friday 30 June 2023; 08:08) | | |
| What is wrong with you? |
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This is a reply to message 102,927 by
Randy from USA
(Friday 23 June 2023; 21:24) | | |
I had no idea. I just thought she stood on stage in a black gown and sang Hero one dimensionally. I thought because she's a terrible piano player and doesn't play guitar that there was no way she could write songs. I've seen every interview she's ever done and she's never mentioned it. I was under the impression that MC and Mimi wrote most of her songs. I thought Casio wrote All I Want For Christmas is You. I thought Gloria Estefan wrote Hero. I thought Eminem wrote Clown. I thought those scribbling noises on Faded were mice scurrying across the floor. I thought she was just drawing stick figures in her journal during the Can't Take That Away video. I thought that section of her writing Never Too Far in Glitter was just acting part of the script. My Butterfly can now fly over the Rainbow abandonedly. I agree Kelly, Mariah is not recognized as a songwriter.  |
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MB30 (102,891)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Thursday 15 June 2023; 16:02) | | |
| Anyways. |
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This is a reply to message 102,889 by
Bill from the UK
(Thursday 15 June 2023; 11:38) | | |
| No tour footage, no tour audio, a lukewarm "deluxe" digital album with only 3 new additions, an expensive cassette re-issue, an overly expensive non-audiophile vinyl pressing with no new material, and re-hashed merchandise. So yes. Botched. |
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MB30 (102,888)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Thursday 15 June 2023; 10:07) | | |
| The Butterfly anniversary was botched? Wow. |
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This is a reply to message 102,881 by
Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 13 June 2023; 22:28) | | |
Apparently Mariah is dropping some surprises for Music Box's 30th anniversary (August 31st). Could it be we finally, finally get the Music Box Tour footage on DVD/Blu-ray quality and/or audio? The scrapped AYNAF video? More outtakes not included on The Rarities?
I hope it doesn't get botched like the Butterfly anniversary. |
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Randy follow up (102,699)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Tuesday 9 May 2023; 09:13) | | |
| Are you though? Are you? |
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This is a reply to message 102,694 by
Randy from USA
(Tuesday 9 May 2023; 01:23) | | |
| That would be three but what kills me about this whole thing is how the internet keeps giving her writing credits. The only reason I thought she co-wrote All My Life was because if you google it all of the sites say she wrote it with Rick James. I don't know why she didn't collaborate on Almost Home. Isn't that Stargate whom she's worked with before? But yea the internet has me stating the wrong information and you know how much I'm about the truth. |
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Legacy (102,615)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Sunday 23 April 2023; 09:44) | | |
| What's with the negative slant? Mariah is enjoying her third act. Don't you think you are taking the rarity of that feat for granted? She had an imperial phase for an entire decade. Then, the biggest comeback of the following decade. All that would have more than cemented her place in history. However, by some reverse fate, the universe has decided Mariah defies all odds, never count her out, and she deserves to be at the top again. Absolutely no reason to feel ashamed by that in some way. Not because of Christmas or her whistle note. Mariah is traversing uncharted territory. |
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This is a reply to message 102,605 by
Randy from USA
(Saturday 22 April 2023; 03:34) | | |
| One of the things that bother me with the newer fans, delusionals and yass queens is the over celebration of AIWFCIY. A few years ago the older Stans were on here arguing what MC's signature song was. We tentatively settled on Hero. But now it's clear what she's going to be known for if this yearly record keeps happening. I think that the noise around that song fades away some of the most amazing singer songwriter compositions ever recorded. Mariah Carey is more than some relic you drag out of the closet and dust off on November 1st. Another damaging thing that the newer fans, delusionals and yass queens celebrate is her whistle register. Yes it is lovely. But that register doesn't make a great singer. I remember in the promotion for Emotions she said she didn't use it more on the track because she didn't want it to become a gimmick. She laid off it quite a bit on Music Box and Daydream but when the voice changed around #1s it was on full display for Rainbow. I think it's a crutch used to prove she can still sing. But if you have lost your belting register, are you gonna whistle your next albums? I just worry that Mariah's career is in a bleak spot and people are shining spotlights on things that narrow her legacy to a whistling Christmas act. Thoughts? |
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Female singers (102,570)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Tuesday 18 April 2023; 09:26) | | |
Preach. Yes, the double standard is crazy. I remember reading an article about Pink having to "fight" to get her songs played after 35. 35 is old?
Mariah beat the odds with hits like "Obsessed" and "Beautiful".
Mark my words, Beyonce is going through her E=MC2 phrase right now. Her fans better get ready for memeroirs and beyond. |
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This is a reply to message 102,567 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Monday 17 April 2023; 04:35) | | |
| Why do female singers seemed to have various career setbacks and have a hard time telling people no more than male singers? From MC to Britney to Ariana to Adele to Toni Braxton, it has happened to them all. They just to seem to have more career problems after a fast ride to success. While male singers from Usher to Kem to Sam Smith to Ed Sherran have more of a balanced approach to their career success. Are female singers pushed harder to become successful at a faster pace than their male counterparts? Looking at Ariana's recent video post of her looking frail and not looking like she did 2 years ago prompted my post. She looks like she is just tired from recording and touring from the past 10 years. |
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Observation (102,450)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 3 April 2023; 08:49) | | |
| You missed the point. And, no, your grandmother's 95th birthday is not the point. |
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This is a reply to message 102,438 by
Libra Lamb from USA
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 05:02) | | |
| Although I do not come here to bash or pick MC apart, I don't need anyone telling me if I classify as a fan or not. I simply did not wish her a "Happy Anniversary " because I was too busy celebrating my own grandmother's 95th birthday. Also, this is a fan board, not a direct link to her, it's not guaranteed that she would even see it here. I have, however, wished her well and sent lovely direct messages to her via social media, and guess what? No response. But I don't care, I am sure she's too busy to acknowledge everyone just like I was busy on her birthday. It's not that deep. Take it easy. |
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Observation (102,449)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 3 April 2023; 06:01) | | |
| Because he retired at 40. That's the point. |
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This is a reply to message 102,433 by
Bill from the UK
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 00:46) | | |
| Michael Jordan doesn't use studio trickery and smoke and mirrors to pretend he still can jump though. |
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Observation (102,447)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 3 April 2023; 03:32) | | |
| Oh please, you're just a follower. |
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This is a reply to message 102,441 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 2 April 2023; 10:27) | | |
| Randy, that is great video compliation of MC's excuses. Watching it made realize that MC clearly has an identity self-image issue that has affected her ability to stop worrying about what people think about her. I can relate to this because I am extra sensitive about how people perceive me. Rosie assured her each time, but she still couldn't accept her sincere praises of her performances. Looking In, I Am Free, Close My Eyes, Outside, Fly Like A Bird, Camouflage, and Potrait all tell the story of MC's identity self-image issue. Losing her voice has only made it worse for MC. |
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The real reason for no respect (102,303)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Tuesday 7 March 2023; 09:16) | | |
| But to be honest, we are so lucky to have you speak to us on behalf of "the public". Especially, the public that includes Christina. Thank you Lamb. |
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This is a reply to message 102,291 by
Randy from USA
(Monday 6 March 2023; 00:11) | | |
| If you listen to early producers on her album, Narada Michael Walden for example, MC was a perfectionist. She re recorded I Don't Wanna Cry one hundred times until it was perfect. The audience has never seen a showy performance the likes of Whitney, Patti or Christina. And y'all keep talking about the nuances of her voice but to be honest the public doesn't care. Look how nervous she was singing Vision of Love at the 91 Grammys. Fixing her dress constantly. A flat run on "love". She had an amazing voice but didn't know what to do with it. Live performances make you and the only time I've ever seen MC sing beyond what the record entailed was Tokyo Dome in 96. As a songwriter she was unmatched. A friend of mine recently said, she was probably better off as a songwriter producer and Tommy forced her to be a singing star. |
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LadBaby? (101,915)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Tuesday 20 December 2022; 07:25) | | |
| Can someone please help explain LadBaby to me? I'm a citizen of the U.S., I get that there is a cultural difference to the UK. Even so, we have our novelty acts. We have our nerdy white boys who somehow have a huge hit or two. Vanilla Ice, Marky Marky and the Funk Bunch. However, our nerdy white boy novelty acts last for one or two songs, one or two albums, one or two years. Not, five years? How is LadBaby about to have the coveted Christmas #1 for a fifth year in a row? I've watched a few videos. What am I missing? I don't find them to be particularly funny, particularly good looking, nor particularly talented. Sausage rolls? Please, what am I missing? Educate me. |
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Why is everyone surprised? (101,889)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Sunday 18 December 2022; 09:13) | | |
| Cry me a river. |
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This is a reply to message 101,876 by
Randy from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 16:57) | | |
| You know what's funny. Even Eric the webmaster on this board attacked me when I said that the 2006 Grammy performance was a cut and paste job. Mariah literally sang an adlib and then the next adlib was the backing track. Watch it again. I don't think bashing MC is cool and edgy. What I really feel is that MC was the 8th wonder of the world vocally. Something happened between Tokyo 1996 and Oprah 1997. We never got any explanation. But while all these other singers who have been around belting before and after Mariah, Patti Labelle, Whitney Houston, Gladys Knight, Regina Belle, Chaka Khan, are going about their business what we get to defend our diva is excuses. Her voice is different; it's sensitive, humidifiers, the ear monitor, the casket was in front of her, the air conditioning was on, the heat was on, nodules. I don't want to be right. I don't want to be the one that was right about MC's throat implosion. I'd rather her say something. One of the things I've told you guys over and over is that I live a different lifestyle than you. All of my friends are Stan's of different divas. Do you know how much ish I get as MC's representative? Recently I was given Chante Moore's performance at Soul Train and the caption said Mariah who? Would any of you, in 1995 thought Chante Moore would be able to outsing MC? MC came out in 90. Chante came out in 92. Oh wait I know. MC had to sing so much more. The nodules. The lighting. The casket. The HVAC. |
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Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,868)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:37) | | |
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This is a reply to message 101,861 by
Geronimo from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29) | | |
| We can all see Mariah Carey is not in a good place. I'd greatly appreciate a thoughtful explanation of the intended function of serializing goats' and lambs' riveting forensic takes on the tragic "farce" of it all ad nauseam when no one knows enough to shed light on what is actually happening with Mariah Carey. |
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Why is everyone surprised? (101,867)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:36) | | |
| Or, maybe you are being melodramatic to get a reaction. |
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This is a reply to message 101,854 by
Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 December 2022; 15:45) | | |
| That's a fair point you raised at the end there. As it's been so long, is she supposed to say she's been fooling everybody for 25 years? I think we just value Mariah's voice, legacy and music more than she does. She clearly cares more about how she looks, the bank balance, and her endorsements over her voice, her music, and her legacy. It is incredibly sad, but perhaps she simply does not care about it as much as we do. |
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Why is everyone surprised? (101,866)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:34) | | |
| Don't be a follower. He thinks he's being cool and edgy. Don't give in to mob mentality. |
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This is a reply to message 101,859 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Friday 16 December 2022; 19:40) | | |
| Wait a minute, Randy. Are you saying that the 2006 Grammys performance of WBT/FLAB was a combination of lip synching and live singing? I have always thought that the performance was totally live. We have been bamboozled for a very long time now if that is the case. |
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QOC (101,714)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Thursday 1 December 2022; 05:44) | | |
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This is a reply to message 101,713 by
BFF from United States
(Wednesday 30 November 2022; 22:33) | | |
| Bill, I'd like to remind you that pointing out anything that is unflattering to Mariah is insulting and demeaning. All posts must be reviewed by Mariah's team of expert sycophants to determine if it's flattering to Mariah. If it's flattering, we will allow it to move forward as "facts". If it's not flattering, the information cannot be mentioned. |
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Mariah Carey appreciation (101,469)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 17 October 2022; 09:41) | | |
I have loved the Butterfly25 celebration, and seeing Janet's The Velvet Rope25 celebration has got me really feeling additional appreciation for Miss Mariah. Us hardcore fans can be so loving, but also so critical of our fave. We can hold our fave to such demandingly high standards. We say things like, "Why does Mariah do this? Why doesn't Mariah do that? Why can't Mariah sing like she did when she was 19, 25, 30, 35?" Does anyone ask Michael Jordan why he doesn't dunk like he used to, before he retired at 40? But, I digress.
For Butterfly25 Mariah gave us: a mini documentary, two new remixes, two acapella versions, a diamond collection, promo photoshoots for the diamond collection, a duet with a beloved and nostalgic R&B legend, updated music videos, a televised and well-promoted concert performance with a new song mash-up, merchandise, live performances on both streaming and YouTube, interviews with high profile publications like Vanity Fair, etc.
My point, simply comparing to Janet's 25-re-release, Mariah has given us a super respectable and super fun mini-era. No shade to Janet, rather a cause for celebration and appreciation of our queen, Miss Mariah. As much as some folks on this board like to think that she does not work for us, you are wrong, she puts in a ton of work. |
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Christmas surprises (101,468)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 17 October 2022; 08:42) | | |
| What's that saying? "Go where you are celebrated, not tolerated." |
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This is a reply to message 101,467 by
Randy from USA
(Monday 17 October 2022; 00:34) | | |
| I'm completely the opposite. I'd like her to sit Christmas out and let the song do the work naturally. I do not like the narrative that she gets dusted off for Christmas each year and is put back. Edward I agree the whistle is used to prove she can "still sing". And Terna for as much as you get on me for being mean, Whitney who? Is very disrespectful of someone who not only MC worked with, but MC respected and is an icon. Whitney Houston was someone's mother, daughter and sister. Maybe it's the Christian in me but I respect human life no matter how many mistakes someone makes. And no matter where Celine is, she can outsing MC. And Ima tell you this, there's so many YouTube videos and TikTok's of lambs tryna prove MC can sing. No other artist's fans feel the need to prove their artist still "has it". I wonder why. |
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Re: Global Citizen (101,293) (101,299)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Friday 23 September 2022; 07:15) | | |
| She might just surprise us and do a Butterfly heavy setist, even though the setist will be short. |
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Re: Nicki Minaj thanked Mariah (101,097) (101,101)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Tuesday 30 August 2022; 03:47) | | |
| Calm down. |
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Re: What if that's just Mariah? (100,514) (100,515)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Sunday 19 June 2022; 02:47) | | |
| Preach. Yes. |
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Re: Songwriters speech (100,508) (100,513)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 18 June 2022; 23:20) | | |
| Dramatic much, ugh. |
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Re: Why I want another #1 (100,347) (100,352)
by Steven Berning from USA
(Sunday 29 May 2022; 09:35) | | |
| Well, that post had as much focus as a squirrel. Her diva personality is her sense of humor, duh. |
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