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Name:		Bill
Country:		the UK

I love Mariah more than you do.

Mariah vs MC (102,400) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 26 March 2023; 13:33)

Whatever happened to her voice in 1997 happened. With the loss of the ability to sing her songs well and fluidly like she did in prior years, the focus had to shift. So, musically the songs became less demanding vocally, the "I'm a songwriter first" narrative was cranked up to the max, and she became more concerned with her look than her voice. She should have said at the time what had happened to her voice and adapted her back catalogue and future songs accordingly. Instead she chose to prolong the facade with studio trickery, dubbing and lip syncing and now it's all gone too far. Those who know, know. Mariah Carey 1990-1996. 1997 onwards, someone else.

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This is a reply to message 102,399 by Jamie from UK
(Sunday 26 March 2023; 01:52)

Biggest non #1 hit after 33 years (102,380) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 23 March 2023; 13:18)

"Without You" was #1 in Austria, Belgium, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

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This is a reply to message 102,379 by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Thursday 23 March 2023; 12:27)

Ain't No Other Fan (102,337) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 11 March 2023; 07:04)

This is a pretty idiotic suggestion. Smoking of any kind is well known for having extremely adverse effects on the vocal cords, lungs, and throat and can lead to long-term throat and lung injury. Shortness of breath, constant dehydration, loss of vocal range, and even irreversible damage are all other negative by-products of smoking.

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This is a reply to message 102,332 by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway
(Saturday 11 March 2023; 01:10)

Chaka Khan (102,285) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 4 March 2023; 12:37)

"Like in Loverboy Mariah should live the motto of 'hate on me as much as you want to, you can't do what the [...] I do, bishes be emulating me dailyyyy'."

That's probably why nobody likes her.

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This is a reply to message 102,284 by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
(Saturday 4 March 2023; 05:30)

Rolling Stone's 200 Greatest Singers (102,002) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 2 January 2023; 15:52)

I agree, but glad to see they didn't overlook Mariah and ranked her appropriately. She absolutely should be in the top ten, but, so should Celine.

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This is a reply to message 102,000 by Norman from USA
(Monday 2 January 2023; 15:13)

Rolling Stone's 200 Greatest Singers (101,999) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 2 January 2023; 14:46)

Mariah ranks #5 in the list. Aretha first, Whitney second. Celine? Nowhere to be found.

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Thank you for 25 years (101,995) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 1 January 2023; 01:47)

Wow, 25 years of this website. Thank you for everything. The discography, the news, the message board. I can only imagine the time and money that goes into keeping this fansite running. It is the best one, thanks so much for everything over all these years Eric and a Happy New Year to you and all the visitors to the site. Love you all.

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Top posters (101,917) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 20 December 2022; 10:47)

Jeez I need to chill out.

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This is a reply to message 101,906 by The webmaster from the Netherlands
(Monday 19 December 2022; 22:13)

So what (101,890) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 18 December 2022; 10:38)

You know when Mariah started out she was often proclaimed as "the next Whitney". With enabling fans such as yourself, she may well be.

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This is a reply to message 101,878 by jaker20 from US
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 17:45)

Christmas wrapping (101,886) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 18 December 2022; 00:33)

What I will say, is that the cover of Christmas Wrapping was actually good and fits the remnants of her voice. Although it wasn't a live recording, the fact it had no melisma, no belting, no boring old whistles which frankly I'm sick of now, was refreshing and, after 25 years, something different.

If MC reinvented herself and just sang melodious tunes with no unnecessary exaggerated showmanship and fake vocal gymnastics she can't replicate live, it'd go down a storm.

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Why is everyone surprised? (101,871) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 13:07)

Warning, warning. Delusional Enabling Lamb alert. The phrases "yaas queen", "she doesn't owe you anything", "she has nothing to prove" and "she was sick" have been detected within the vicinity. Everybody stand clear.

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This is a reply to message 101,867 by Steven Berning from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 08:36)

Why repeat and highlight the painfully obvious? (101,865) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 05:56)

You'll continue to see these comments for as long as she's "performing" (for want of a better word), until she comes clean and stops pretending to be a world class singer when she isn't. So, get used to it.

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This is a reply to message 101,861 by Geronimo from USA
(Saturday 17 December 2022; 00:29)

Why is everyone surprised? (101,854) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 December 2022; 15:45)

That's a fair point you raised at the end there. As it's been so long, is she supposed to say she's been fooling everybody for 25 years? I think we just value Mariah's voice, legacy and music more than she does. She clearly cares more about how she looks, the bank balance, and her endorsements over her voice, her music, and her legacy. It is incredibly sad, but perhaps she simply does not care about it as much as we do.

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This is a reply to message 101,852 by Randy from USA
(Friday 16 December 2022; 13:22)

Supreme songbird (101,850) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 December 2022; 11:53)

Just when I thought nothing could be worse than that dreadful remake of this song she did last year.

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This is a reply to message 101,846 by MC1989 from Spain
(Friday 16 December 2022; 09:26)

Hero live MSG 2022 (101,849) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 December 2022; 11:51)

I wish you hadn't shared that. I just burst into tears. This is heartbreaking. Something is really, really wrong. What on earth has happened?

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This is a reply to message 101,845 by MC1989 from Spain
(Friday 16 December 2022; 08:54)

Toronto shows (101,815) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 15:31)

The thing you're missing, is that someone has to say something, and we older fans do because we have followed her career with love and devotion since the beginning. No one in her camp is telling her to lay off the alcohol and weed, as it is crippling her voice and legacy. Not Bryan, not Trey, not Mary Ann. Why stop their paycheck? But any friend that loved and cared about her would see the self sabotage and do something about it. But, carry on shouting "yas queen" until she goes the way of Whitney. It will be on your head when that happens, for enabling and supporting and cheering on her demise. None of us are enjoying coming here to say this, but we love her too much to stand by and watch it unfold in front of our eyes.

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This is a reply to message 101,810 by Shae_anne from Brazil
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 12:32)

Who was actually there? Toronto shows (101,814) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:51)

The benefit of phone recordings is that they remove the reverb. So it becomes abundantly clear when the lip syncing and pre-records kick in. Usually though we are put on notice as Mariah will fiddle with the malfunctioning ear piece (which I think is actually her cue to the sound technician), and then waggle her head when she mimes the note. If you enjoyed the concert good for you, but any spectator can see it was one of her worst yet. Hardly phenomenal as you put it. That status is reserved for the Daydream Tour stop at London on June 23rd 1996. What an evening that was. Sorry you missed out.

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This is a reply to message 101,802 by Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 02:40)

Toronto shows (101,813) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 14:37)

Terna you're completely right. How quickly everybody forgets that it was us original fans from the beginning that got her all those number ones, alongside her "own G4 and the Benz with the doors that lift up from the floor". She wouldn't be where she is today were it not for our love and support. And yes, she does score a number one every year. With a track from 1994 with 1994 vocals. Otherwise, she hasn't had a hit since Obsessed. And don't come at me with Big Energy. That was Genius of Love, with a rap, and featured Mariah on a remix.

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This is a reply to message 101,808 by Terna from Nigeria
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:45)

Toronto shows (101,807) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 10:31)

Hah. It always makes me laugh when the age old excuse of her singing for 30 years is why her voice started going south (in 1997) to the point where she can no longer get through an entire song without playback, backing singer masking, breathing issues, flat and shouty notes etc. This is said even though hundreds upon hundreds of other singers that have been singing just as long sound fine, with minimal voice deterioration. Those that experienced it, shock horror, were heavy smokers, drinkers and drug users. Wake up and join the dots.

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This is a reply to message 101,805 by Shae_anne from Brazil
(Tuesday 13 December 2022; 08:19)

Nodules and whistles (101,790) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 12 December 2022; 15:28)

The thing is her voice got worse every year since 1990. Never thought I'd be praying for 2018 vocals but here I am doing just that. 2023 will be worse than 2022 for all the reasons you mention. The concerts won't stop as it's a lucrative scam. The ticket prices are astronomical and what you get in exchange is lip syncing, pre-records, awful vocals when live, and jibberish in between the songs.

And yes, the squealing she does to prove she can still hit high notes is becoming as excruciating as the finger being stuck in her ear for theatrics.

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This is a reply to message 101,788 by MC1989 from Spain
(Monday 12 December 2022; 14:23)

Whistles used to be an ornament in her songs, an extra or a plus to her huge voice range and singing abilities. Nowadays the narrative of "I don't remove my nodules because thanks to them I can hit whistle notes" is absurd. But then again, it' s Maria's choice, and I can even understand the fear of going under that kind of surgery. But right now, in these recent years, the whole range has been affected by the nodules, the lack of training and rehearsing, the bad habits and of course age. She even admitted that she doesn't train her voice before concerts during her Masterclass. She said she does a few vocal scales to see if the whistles and the low notes are there and goes singing. That's not that your instrument has become weak due to age or whatever, it's a personal choice of not wanting to warm up and really train on a regular basis. No vocal resting will change that. But hey, Mariah can whistle. Flat whistles that most of the times sound more like high weak screams than whistles. Between the lipped parts she keeps doing these little whistle screams to try to prove that although she lipped, she can hit some similar sound, if we can consider a shout a note.

I'm here because I'm a fan. I'm always hoping to see if she gets better and if she can surprise me. I loved her memoir, The Rarities, some of her recent interviews, because I love Mariah. I spent more money on her than in any other artist I admire. I want her to succeed and to reach number one and I want people to appreciate her legendary catalogue apart from AIWFCIY. But lately I feel a little sad when I see her performing. I don't like people including me, talking about how bad this or that performance was. So why keep the exposure that much? If she can't sing good an entire song without any lipped part, lipped whistles etc, then stop performing, stop singing impossible songs for her current voice.

Mariah can fool a non fan or a recent fan, but she certainly cannot fool fans like me who have been following her for more than 2 decades and have watched every single performance she has done since 1990. I can recognize immediately when she's lipping. And I had come to a point where I didn't mind she was using prerecorded tracks in some parts of certain songs if the rest of the vocal performance was really good. But this year's performances are really mediocres. Nowadays it's so evident when the lipped part comes in, that she can be happy that the thousands of people who pay the astronomic prices for her shows can think those parts are not lipped, and that they can't hear the differences between her 2022 voice and the 1994 voice for instance in Hark The Herald Angels Sing, where the alternation of those 2 different tones is pure cringe for someone who has a good ear.

By the way I've also noticed that her lip synching has become a little more convincing to the general audience because in the recent years she's been using fillers in her face, and though she looks beautiful I also notice a lack of expression in her face. In the past her face muscles revealed very clearly when she was singing live and when not.

I saw her in Madrid in 2020 and even though she lipped the same parts - because basically it's the same show with a few changes - the show was good and her voice sounded strong and beautiful. But 2022 is one of her worst vocal moments from what I've seen this far. Again, I hope she gets better. I will support her upcoming movie or series about her life, I would also love to hear her 1995 version of Someone's Ugly Daughter and her upcoming projects. But I would like her to stop giving these bad performances.

Toronto shows (101,789) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 12 December 2022; 15:24)

I did suspect Away In A Manger was lipped, but held my tongue. But yes, on closer inspection it is very obviously the case. Shame, but I suppose MC knew that performance might get some media attention.

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This is a reply to message 101,787 by MC1989 from Spain
(Monday 12 December 2022; 13:16)

Toronto shows (101,786) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 12 December 2022; 11:58)

"My All" was probably the worst I've ever heard her sing. If you can call it that.

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This is a reply to message 101,782 by Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 15:46)

Mariah duet with Monroe (101,776) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 22:23)

Wow, Monroe's voice is lovely. Very sweet and pleasant tone she has. That was a really cute duet between them. I hope it makes it onto the next Christmas album.

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This is a reply to message 101,772 by Edward from USA
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 17:53)

Mariah on Colbert (101,769) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 12:41)

It was a car crash.

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This is a reply to message 101,768 by enwar00 from usa
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 07:00)

Moet and Chandon performance (101,753) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 8 December 2022; 11:09)

At the risk of sounding positive, I do agree she sounded better at this performance than the last time I saw a live performance (Saudi Arabia). I noticed she wasn't wearing a corset so perhaps it really is a valid excuse she uses haha.

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This is a reply to message 101,749 by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago
(Wednesday 7 December 2022; 15:00)

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