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Name: Bill
Country: the UK
I love Mariah more than you do.

London Daydream Tour Attendee.
Re: Worst song ever made? Triumphant (98,214) (98,215) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 19 June 2021; 11:12)
Yes I've no beef with Triumphant either. It was a bit different to have MC only sing the hook and then appear for the bridge, but I love the energy of the song and how Mariah looks like she's made of solid gold on the picture sleeve. I wish that and Almost Home were the bonus tracks on MIAM rather than the Memoirs copy and paste duets.
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Re: New Mariah Carey era (98,209) (98,211) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 18 June 2021; 23:11)
I love how concise and brief Caution was though. It's an album I play so frequently because of that. If I want to listen to Charmbracelet I have to schedule it into my calendar lol as that album never seems to end. I listen to Caution far more frequently than her other albums because it is so easy to listen to. It's fine tuned, to the point, and every song packs a punch.
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Re: Worst song ever made? (98,194) (98,196) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 17 June 2021; 23:49)
I always count Beautiful as the lead for MIAM, despite the gap between it and the album's release. The same happened with Kate Bush's The Dreaming. Sat In Your Lap was the "lead" single, but was released a year before the album and second single. But like Beautiful, the album would be incomplete without it.

From your list, GTFO annoys me so much because sonically, it is incredible. It is moody, it has a vibe, it's different, it's sophisticated, and it's mellow but has an undertone running through it as well. Why, on earth, she placed those ridiculous lyrics on top of one of her most original and fresh sounds is beyond me (admittedly it is a sample, but which lead single of hers isn't). Such a disappointment.

And yikes, Save the Day was completely erased from my memory haha. I'm like, Mariah. The Rarities has Here We Go Around Again and original Loverboy on it. You put those tracks out as a single in Japan. Why release Save the Day when that album was littered with so many wonderful songs? Ugh.
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Re: Worst song ever made? (98,188) (98,192) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 17 June 2021; 11:10)
Haha exactly. There are a lot worse. Off the top of my head: Crapfinity, Can't Say No, Did I Do That, Infamous, Boy, and The Star.
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Re: Wedding song (98,166) (98,170) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 15 June 2021; 01:05)
Thank God I Found You.
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Re: Revisiting videos at random (98,152) (98,154) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 11 June 2021; 23:27)
I love the With You video. It's so classy and I love her in those black and white trousers towards the end. This is a great post because I also did the same the other day. Honestly, how good were the Butterfly videos? Every last one of them was a gem. Honey, Butterfly, Breakdown, The Roof, My All. Just excellent and her look then was that of a liberated young elegant R&B queen.
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Re: Somewhat Loved (98,128) (98,136) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 10 June 2021; 14:32)
Now I've heard the full song, I'm conflicted hah. I love the chorus/hook. The beat is great, it sounds funky and the harmonies are super as usual. The rest of the song seems somewhat disjointed and lacks any real structure or coherency. It's quite jarring that it seems to be a mish mash of snippets all pieces together with the repeated hook acting as the bridge between them. It's not that it's bad or anything, but Mariah's never done that approach and it's taking some getting used to. Not having the intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus approach is different to say the least. But, I've been asking for Mariah to step away from her usual formula and step it up and bit, and she has. It's definitely growing on me with each listen.
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Re: Caution deserved better (98,119) (98,120) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 9 June 2021; 16:46)
It's weird because 8th Grade has so many fans, yet it's the only Mariah song I can never place immediately. I always have to do a quick lyric search or play the first few bars to know the song. As I'm writing this, I cannot remember it. This is the only song she's ever done that has not, for whatever reason, entered into my head and taken up permanent residence. So weird. It's not even because I don't like it. On the contrary, every time I play it, I love it.
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The Meaning of Mariah paper back (98,085) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 5 June 2021; 16:55)
The paper back version of Mariah's book is taking pre-orders now. It looks like from MC's Instagram that the cover is the one of little Mariah on the beach. I really hope it is, as I know Mariah wanted that as the cover originally.
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Re: So much better (98,063) (98,067) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 2 June 2021; 13:26)
It's all about the replay value. I must have watched Touch My Body 500 times. You're Mine, once.
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Re: Mariah talk (98,048) (98,050) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 29 May 2021; 13:24)
I think it was actually for "No More 'I Love You's'", as Walking on Broken Glass was from her first solo album in the early 90s.
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Re: Dionne Warwick (98,040) (98,043) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 26 May 2021; 08:05)
Yes, I did mean Diane Warren. Lord I'm getting old.
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Somewhat Loved (98,019) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 23 May 2021; 22:50)
Here's a link to the snippet that was played. I don't think it sounds anything like I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time myself. The piano riff during the refrain sounds a bit like Maroon 5's This Love. I think it sounds great, a step aside from the usual formula/song structure.
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Re: Dionne Warwick (98,009) (98,010) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 23 May 2021; 11:31)
I think Mariah and Diane had a very, let's just say, "strained" relationship when they worked together for Rainbow. From Mariah's point of view, it appears to be because they are both perfectionists and both have a clear vision of where they felt their compositions should head. Apparently this was in opposite directions. Supposedly they couldn't agree on the title for Can't Take That Away for weeks on end alone. I think Mariah wanted it to be called Mariah's Theme and nothing else, whereas Diane wanted to call it They Can Try. But we love everyone.
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Music Box tour footage (97,996) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 21 May 2021; 23:56)
Hi all, some amateur footage of the Music Box tour has appeared on YouTube. This is from the show in NYC. Only the shows in LA and Massachusetts had surfaced previously on bootleg CDs back in the mid 90s.

Unfortunately only Dreamlover and Make It Happen have been uploaded. Really hope other songs make an appearance.
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Re: I'm late / Maxwell collab (97,983) (97,985) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 May 2021; 08:52)
Agree, fantastic album. If Mariah is doing something in that retro 70s soul meets jazz mellow vibe like that album, then this is going to be incredible. I played that album so much when it first came out, one of my faves.
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Re: Twitter (97,968) (97,969) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 13 May 2021; 14:32)
She also mentioned MC30 wasn't over.
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Re: Favorite interlude (97,953) (97,955) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 8 May 2021; 17:57)
Apparently Rainbow was originally meant to be a full song but ended up being an interlude due to her rushing the album to get off the Columbia label at the time.

My favourite interlude would definitely be Languishing. Divine.
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Re: Mimi, abundance, etc (97,928) (97,932) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 May 2021; 21:31)
Great summary of the year. MC30 was an amazing treat, and I don't think I'll ever get over The Rarities and hearing "new" 1990 vocals on Here We Go Around Again. That song is sublime. Although the end of it is iffy.
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Re: Fave live performances (97,923) (97,930) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 May 2021; 19:46)
Always here for a list. In no particular order:

1. If It's Over at the Grammy's in 1992.
2. I'll Be There on Top of the Pops in 1992.
3. America the Beautiful at the NBA Finals in 1990.
4. Hark the Herald Angels Sing on GMA 1991.
5. Joy to the World at St. John the Divine 1994.

The entire London concert of the Daydream tour in Wembley Arena in 1996, which I attended.
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Re: Breakdown ad libs (97,838) (97,840) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 15 April 2021; 22:09)
Honey that I know that you want me for me, I can be what you want, I can be what you need.
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Re: Breakdown ad libs (97,832) (97,833) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 15 April 2021; 16:09)
She says "What I say at the beginning of Honey is honey you can have me when you want me" but really quickly, Bone Thugs style.
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Re: Best opening line (97,828) (97,831) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 15 April 2021; 13:17)
It's actually "Honey when you walk by every night".
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Re: Best opening line (97,827) (97,829) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 15 April 2021; 10:44)
Yeh, thing is she doesn't though. You are actually wrong on this (I know you never can hold the mirror up, so I can understand the denial), but I await the day when you hear it like everybody else here and it clicks for you as it did me and the others.

I suppose you have to ask yourself these questions:

1. Mariah is a known perfectionist, especially in the studio. A large selection of producers have stated this over the last 30 years. Is it feasible that she would mess up her own opening line on what was going to be the launch pad single for a new phase of her career on the permanent, forevermore album version, yet sing it correctly every other time?

2. Mariah is a songwriter and likes to constantly remind everyone of this fact. How likely is it that she would deviate from her own lyrics that she wrote, again for the permanent forevermore album version of the song, yet clearly open with "Honey you can" on every other rendition of the song she has ever done.

3. According to Puff Daddy, Mariah recorded over 50 takes of Honey so he could choose the best parts for the song. In all 50 takes, is it likely that Mariah would sing a different lyric for one time, and that ends up being the one that Puff selected, that went through production by both him and Mariah and mastering all the way through to release with nobody realising.

4. "Now you can have me when you want me" is not a line ever uttered in any remix, either as the opening, or as a refrain. The So So Def Remix in fact repeats the "honey you can have me when you want me" line from the four minute mark to the outro of the song. Indeed, it opens with "Oh honey (so so def), you can have me...", as does the Morales remix.

5. The first pressing of the Daydream album had incorrect lyrics for One Sweet Day printed. The second pressing quickly corrected this soon after the release. No second pressing or re-issue of Butterfly has ever changed the opening line to "Now you can have me". The promo CDs issued at the time also included the lyrics which also stated "Honey you can have me". All official lyric sources do not concur with you I'm afraid.

To help you out, the easiest way to hear it is to focus on the beat after the "oh oh oh" part before the opening verse. It goes "oh oh oh (beat) 'ney you can have me...". The (beat) is when she utters the "ho" part, albeit at the back of her throat somewhat, and it sounds raspy. So it's like "h'neeh you can have me when you want me".

I do admit it isn't clear. At all. I can understand how you can mishear it, as I was in the group of people who once scratched their heads over that line as well, but mishear it you have I'm afraid.
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Re: Best opening line (97,824) (97,826) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 14 April 2021; 20:20)
Lol, you did though. She says "Honey you can have me when you want me", clear as day. The studio version, remixes, live performances, and lyrics all support this. You did mishear it, but it's understandable after you explained being hard of hearing, as I also misheard it for several years. What she does is sort of skip the "o" so it's more like "h'ney you can have..." and as I explained the "ho" bit sort of catches in her throat a bit. It's not her cleanest or clearest opening, but she definitely does not sing "now".
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