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Macy's performance (101,677)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 November 2022; 20:15) | | |
I know, I am truly so grateful I saw her during her indisputable best. It was one of the best nights of my life. Mariah was at her peak, as were her vocals, her music, her looks, her confidence, and my love for her.  |
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This is a reply to message 101,676 by
MusicfanJ from Germany
(Friday 25 November 2022; 19:03) | | |
"Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer." That time was simlpy magic on stage. Almost unreal. There's a reason 95 and 96 was Mariah mania around the world.   I remember she had one concert in Germany, it was immediately sold out. If I had a time machine, I would choose that date to be part of the audience. You are really lucky to have witnessed her live during her Daydream tour. |
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Macy's performance (101,673)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 November 2022; 15:19) | | |
Who'd have thought MC would lip sync. Colour me stunned. You're looking at $150-200 for one ticket to the Christmas concert. Plus travel and hotel if you're not based in New York. If you want to pay that much to watch her lip sync, get her hair and make up fixed on stage, bemoan the lighting, stick a finger in her ear, ramble on about her ensemble, drink champagne, and bark out an off key "EH" every so often, that's your prerogative.
Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer. |
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This is a reply to message 101,669 by
Randy from USA
(Friday 25 November 2022; 04:21) | | |
| Can I just say this. Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, Ciara, JLo, Paula Abdul can lip sync without criticism. Mariah Carey who is considered one of the best vocalist of all time cannot. Patti Labelle is 99 years old. She woulda sang. I know. I know. It was outdoors, her ear monitors weren't working, it was air conditioning outside, she has nodules, her humidifiers weren't working in her sleep chamber, her background singers were too loud. The funny thing is... her lip syncing wasn't a surprise to me. The mic is a prop at this point. But y'all really excited about her Christmas concerts? It will be the best cut and paste lip sync performance in history. Kinda like the 1996 Grammys. |
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QOC (101,666)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 November 2022; 14:36) | | |
| As always, state your sources. |
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This is a reply to message 101,664 by
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(Thursday 24 November 2022; 05:27) | | |
It would be nice if people who talked actually had a clue what they were talking about. Trademarks are for products and goods, not censorship. Literally, nothing would change on how anyone used the phrase. None of these women's lives would've changed. Everything would continue as it always has. Mariah didn't "lose" anything, in fact, she generously stepped aside. The objection wasn't qualifying. All Mariah had to do was respond and the trademark was hers. She chose to remain quiet. After the 3 month period lapsed the case is closed. Mariah literally gave up a name for a merch line for no other reason than someone had a problem with it and she's painted as a villain while her quote unquote fans talk about checking her morals. 
A trademark isn't a copyright. Some folks deserve some humble pie themselves. I find it interesting how many hear MC get dissed by ignorant haters and immediately take their side without question. Trademarks are for products only. It doesn't give her a "monopoly" on the holiday season. It's a product line. It doesn't change how anyone uses the expression. It only prevents others from selling other products under the phrase. It's not that deep or encompassing.
There is no current trademark on any of these things which gives Carey the right to use it. All she had to do was respond. She actually stepped aside and let the 3 month time limit lapse. She didn't "lose", there was no "battle", and she was denied for simply not bothering to respond. She let it go and she didn't have to. She's literally been called, "the Queen of Christmas" by every publication and it's uncle for the past decade. These ignorant stories do make her look bad and many of you pile on top. MC did something kind and you helped paint her as a villain. |
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QOC (101,651)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 19 November 2022; 16:18) | | |
| It's actually more a super villain move than anything. |
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This is a reply to message 101,646 by
Edward from USA
(Thursday 17 November 2022; 14:18) | | |
| There's nothing sarcastic about your post and you know it. You're backpedaling because you realized how ridiculous her attempt at monopolizing Christmas was. It's actually arrogant on her part to even think she could sequester Christmas in perpetuity. I hope she doesn't go for Hanukkah next year. |
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QOC (101,640)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 16 November 2022; 16:21) | | |
| I disagree. It was ridiculous and nothing but a money grab. She can be called it (and will be) but she has no business owning the rights to it. Absolutely abhorrent. |
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This is a reply to message 101,639 by
Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Wednesday 16 November 2022; 05:23) | | |
| She deserves the trade mark, but whatever. Even Queen Dolly confirmed it's her title. Anyone else who calls themselves as the QOC, will be questioned, "Who are you?" |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,545)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 25 October 2022; 19:43) | | |
Quite. She is the Olympian who can no longer compete. She's spent the best part of 30 years telling anyone who'd listen that she's a songwriter first and prefers songwriting to singing. Well, she may have squandered her vocal gift God gave her, but she still has her songwriting talent. Just hang up the malfunctioning ear piece once and for all and retire with some dignity.
You all have no idea how much it pains me to write this. But I think this may be the last straw for me. I will love her forever, but I cannot enable this anymore. |
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This is a reply to message 101,544 by
"MariahHater" from Hell
(Tuesday 25 October 2022; 17:38) | | |
| She is clearly struggling. I'm moved to tears by her performance as she holds on to dear life. We don't know what is going on with her voice and what she ia doing to get a hold of whatever notes left in her chords. As if she pushes whatever ounce of power she have to give a performance. It reminds me of Whitney's live tour in Milano, 2010, where she was about to sing I Will Always Love You. People respected and admired her courage to sing even though she cannot anymore. Not to be critical, but compassionate. Honestly, I want to see hear her in full beast mode but yeah I guess we can only stick with the 00s and good ol albums to hear her pristine. Lastly, she seems to be masking the truth on her performing capabilities by her antics, sad truth but I really pity her. Imagine a runner having their legs cut off? That's her and the voice. |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,528)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 24 October 2022; 13:24) | | |
| Quite. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I could have sang better than Mariah did. Honestly. That is what is really worrying. Someone whose voice was completely untouchable, and as Tommy said when he discovered her, "she is the best singer I have ever heard", to actually being one of the worst singers still performing, is almost incredible. It's so sad to witness. She can live off AIWFCIY's annual royalties, so why does she need the "money grab"? Retire from singing and write songs for others and focus on your other projects. The dolls have stopped dancing now. |
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This is a reply to message 101,527 by
ADAM from USA
(Monday 24 October 2022; 10:27) | | |
| I think Mariah does it for the money grab. She has proven time and time again to always get the money. Record deals that were ill advised to constant touring all throughout the year. I guess once poor, it always affects your choices in life. She really is doing a disservice to her legacy by the terrible performances. Makes my throat hurt just watching her struggle. She sounds like a completely different artist that what she sold the public. She'll never address the core issue with the public so might as well collect the money bags so her kids can live in opulence. |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,523)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 24 October 2022; 00:20) | | |
| I've seen most of the clips. My All was particularly bad as she lipped the chorus and, of course, carried on miming when they playback stopped and had to awkwardly start singing. It was an embarrassment, and a disaster. None of Mariah's peers or anyone of her status would have done such a performance. Frankly I don't really know why she bothers. She has her money, she has her legacy, she has her records. Why put herself, and us, through these dreadful performances time and time again. |
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This is a reply to message 101,518 by
Randy from USA
(Sunday 23 October 2022; 14:05) | | |
| Because I'm an MC fan a lot of things come across my social media. She is struggling through this performance. She needs to give Vision of Love a rest. |
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Soundtracks (101,495)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13) | | |
| I thought I was wrong once but turns out I was mistaken. |
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This is a reply to message 101,491 by
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(Thursday 20 October 2022; 00:41) | | |
It's ok to say you're wrong, you know.  |
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Soundtracks (101,494)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13) | | |
I think I prefer Rainbow because I think it's stronger melodically. So Heartbreaker and the remix are great, and I sort of directly compare them against Loverboy and the remix. I also think CTTA, Bliss, After Tonight, Petals and the Interlude are beautiful ballads. With Glitter I love Lead the Way but don't think Reflections and Twister are as strong as the Rainbow ballads. I agree Glitter is more cohesive, and as much as I adore If We and Don't Stop, I feel Mariah needed to be on those songs more than just singing the hook.
I also have to state that in respect of her albums, my top albums of all time are all hers, then the list goes into other artists. This is why she's my favourite. |
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This is a reply to message 101,490 by
Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 23:26) | | |
Bill, I absolutely agree with your point about "I'll be Lovin' u Long Time". That song is unbelievable and I'm shocked it didn't go to the top 5 (#58 on Billboard wasn't enough appreciation for such a jam). But to say Glitter wasn't as good as Rainbow is beyond offensive. I don't like Music Box, but I can understand its mastery. Glitter was a masterpiece, a far superior album to Rainbow IMO. Rainbow was a marketing and PR success, the actual music...  It's such a hard album to listen start to finish. Most of Mariah's albums I can only listen start to finish. Rainbow and MIAMTEC are the two albums I feel have no flow or smoothness. They are a mish-mash of songs that don't flow or have a vibe imo.
Emotions, Butterfly, MOAIA and Caution are the most vibe centric albums, listen start to finish albums Mimi has produced. |
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Soundtracks (101,489)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 22:23) | | |
| You still don't get it, but that's cool. |
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This is a reply to message 101,488 by
jaker20 from US
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 17:25) | | |
You're going in circles my dear, because I caught you backpeddaling. Take a deep breath, it's not personal. Anyway, at least you finally open mind a little? When you say you want her to do jazz and gospel, great. Now we're going somewhere. See, that's easy to do, I don't randomly shoot down ideas.
Because, at this stage of her career, she should be free to do anything, specially areas where the potential is limitless (soundtracks). It's a genre that doesn't have many biases, and doesn't have as much time constraints.
She can whip up a song, or something that's already on her vault, and not be burdened releasing a full album.
Is that "spending her remaining years"? Don't be dramatic hon. Rihanna, who is basically retired, recorded something for Black Panther. Many artists wrote soundtrack songs long after their peaks, then gets Oscar nominated even though no one heard them.
In the end, you need to let go of many of your biases as to what success means. She is 50, an icon, a legend. She should do whatever she wants. For herself. If she touches even just one person, it will be worth it. |
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Soundtracks (101,487)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 08:53) | | |
Okay so you still don't get the point. My personal opinion of what material is good doesn't mean it translates to success or is the right move. For example I always thought I'll Be Loving You Long Time was the best song on E=MC2, but it bombed when it was released. I stand by what I said, sorry you didn't understand. To make it a bit clearer, Glitter's a great album as I said, but the debut, Emotions, Unplugged, Music Box, Merry Christmas, Daydream, Butterfly, Rainbow, Emancipation and Caution are all better. Right to Dream is heartfelt, but Vanishing, Love Takes Time, Till the End of Time, The Wind, I'll Be There, Never Forget You, I Am Free, Looking In, Butterfly, My All, Whenever You Call, Outside, I Still Believe, Can't Take That Away, After Tonight, Petals, My Saving Grace, Sunflowers, Mine Again, We Belong Together, Circles, For the Record, Bye Bye, I Stay In Love, Cry, I Want to Know What Love Is and Portrait are moreso. When You Believe is a fine duet but I'll Be There, Endless Love and One Sweet Day are miles better.
I've always been open minded about Mariah doing something new and different. Soundtracks have been done with not much success, either chart wise or with the fan base. If you think Mariah's remaining years are best spent on songs like Infamous and Almost Home, which connected with nobody and did nothing for their associated projects, then great. I've long advocated for her to do a jazz or gospel album as that is unexplored territory, something fresh and different, and something that may suit her current voice (jazz).
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This is a reply to message 101,484 by
jaker20 from US
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 18:42) | | |
What a weird post. You are literally saying she shouldn't do it because its "not her strong point" in spite of you praising their quality just a post prior. Read your posts again. Lets see, Tennessee. Great song. But didn't go anywhere. Therefore, she shouldn't do it again? And now you're saying Celine did it better. So what? Therefore she shouldn't do it? Im not even sure you realize how weird you sound.
I will stick by what I said. Your judgement on Mariah is clouded by these success metrics that you can't even consistently articulate. At this point in her career, you should be more open minded and loosen up from what she's done in the past instead shooting down ideas.
No one said soundtracks was Mary J. Blige and Beyonce's forte, but that got them nominated for Mighty River and Be Alive long after their pop star peaks. All it took was them doing it.
Soundtrack are just songs made for movies. They also take a journey of luck and unexpected results when it goes out to the public. It's also a space that doesn't discriminate based on age and style.
Mariah's done it well before, and I'm confident she can do it again.
"Never ever listen to anybody who try to discourage you, they do that. Believe me." |
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Soundtracks (101,482)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 14:45) | | |
I don't care whether Mariah's music charts or not, so long as it's good. In the UK she only has had three number ones, two of them covers. I'm not used to her dominating the charts like in the US.
My point, which you missed, was that soundtracks aren't her speciality nor her strong point. Let me (gasp) compare her efforts to Celine Dion's. Beauty and the Beast, When I Fall In Love (Sleepless In Seattle), Because You Loved Me (Up Close and Personal), and My Heart Will Go On (Titanic) were all huge internationally successful songs. If you have Celine on your soundtrack it is likely to do well, Mariah, maybe not.
Mariah's strengths lie elsewhere was the point. Sometimes it seems like you look for things that aren't even there just to cause friction. |
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This is a reply to message 101,480 by
jaker20 from US
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 04:22) | | |
So you yourself call Tennesse being "heartfelt and unique" and Glitter a "great album and great concept", but because they didn't chart well, you devalue the whole effort like they're worthless. Arts not charts. Move on. When I say lambs are chart-obsessed your post is a great example yet again.
And When You Believe is a great iconic song. It's also one of Mariah's most streamed songs, consistently in her top 5-i, beating most of her "hits". The disrespect some of you have on her "non hit songs" is gross. |
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Soundtracks (101,479)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 01:44) | | |
Let's look at Mariah's track record with soundtracks to bring this back down to earth:
1. When You Believe with Whitney. Two biggest voices on the planet came together yet didn't make the top 20 of the US charts. A moderate hit elsewhere, but not the tour de force people may have expected.
2. Glitter. I probably don't need to elaborate on this. A great album, a great concept, but the execution was a disaster.
3. Tennessee. Sorry Randy but Right to Dream didn't go anywhere sadly, despite it being quite a heartfelt and unique offering in Mariah's catalogue.
4. Almost Home. Mariah didn't even write this one from memory. It didn't feature in the film and was stuck on the very end of the closing credits.
5. Infamous. Just no, I've played that song 2 and a half times and I never want to hear it again. |
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This is a reply to message 101,478 by
jaker20 from US
(Monday 17 October 2022; 21:52) | | |
| What I want Mariah to do is record soundtrack songs. Because that area is accepting to any artists, any age, any style. And its exposure has more unpredictable results thats doesn't depend on her promoting it, which lets face it, she doesn't do much anymore. Soundtracks have a life of its own. She's been in the industry for along time, and I had hoped that she's connected with many artists to jump into soundtracks of different movies. |
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Mariah Carey appreciation (101,470)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 17 October 2022; 12:40) | | |
I agree the Butterfly 25 celebrations have been good. The bonus material could have been better but was good to see The Roof with Brandy have a home and the new remixes. Also the vinyl edition of the album looks superb.
What I don't agree with though is the comparison against Michael Jordan. Michael doesn't pretend that he can still play his sport like he used to, and retired gracefully with a string of accomplishments behind him. Mariah continues on the facade with pre-records, lip syncing, background singers masking and then the excuses when these performances inevitably collapse around her. That's what annoys some of the fan base and why we are imploring her to head in a direction that suits her current voice, or at least retire from performing and become a studio artist.
I ask myself, years from now, will people remember Vision of Love on GMA, America the Beautiful at the NBA finals, If It's Over at SNL, or will it be the mix feed of AIWFCIY and the NYE disaster?
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This is a reply to message 101,469 by
Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 17 October 2022; 09:41) | | |
I have loved the Butterfly25 celebration, and seeing Janet's The Velvet Rope25 celebration has got me really feeling additional appreciation for Miss Mariah. Us hardcore fans can be so loving, but also so critical of our fave. We can hold our fave to such demandingly high standards. We say things like, "Why does Mariah do this? Why doesn't Mariah do that? Why can't Mariah sing like she did when she was 19, 25, 30, 35?" Does anyone ask Michael Jordan why he doesn't dunk like he used to, before he retired at 40? But, I digress.
For Butterfly25 Mariah gave us: a mini documentary, two new remixes, two acapella versions, a diamond collection, promo photoshoots for the diamond collection, a duet with a beloved and nostalgic R&B legend, updated music videos, a televised and well-promoted concert performance with a new song mash-up, merchandise, live performances on both streaming and YouTube, interviews with high profile publications like Vanity Fair, etc.
My point, simply comparing to Janet's 25-re-release, Mariah has given us a super respectable and super fun mini-era. No shade to Janet, rather a cause for celebration and appreciation of our queen, Miss Mariah. As much as some folks on this board like to think that she does not work for us, you are wrong, she puts in a ton of work. |
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Re: Full of grace (101,454) (101,459)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 15 October 2022; 20:27) | | |
| For me, it's the imperfections you mention that make the performance that much more endearing. I think it's one of her best. |
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This is a reply to message 101,454 by
Geronimo from USA
(Saturday 15 October 2022; 03:09) | | |
I'm not sure if this is quite accurate, Terna. In the first minute of this song I think her anxiety and insecurity shows through her neurotic melodic phrasing. None of the phrases that she sings in the first minute have an intelligent melodic ending that gives her interpretation of the lines any character or definition. There's a lot of unnecessary and noncommittal melisma that she would probably avoid were she's not so anxious. There is a kind of hackneyed parallelism to the last word of each sentence that gets really annoying and you can tell she's making these decisions at the last minute when there's nowhere else to go vocally. This has always bothering me about some of her performances during that period.
I think with some of the resonance that she used to have - that smooth, buttery and broad vibrato - having vanished into thin air, she just tatters the end of each sentence with a bunch of unnecessary predictable filagree. I think the transition to "somewhere over the rainbow" is quite unique and I think it works really well. But, I also think she planned it in advance - which, of course, is a good thing. Overall, though, I like the texture and flexibility of her voice in this performance, but her judgment about vocal silence and motion is off and completely makes me anxious while watching this performance. |
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Re: What MC albums have you never bought? (101,438) (101,444)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 12 October 2022; 21:07) | | |
| The only album I've never purchased is the Magical Christmas soundtrack. I have everything else, including compilations. If it was released in the UK (any format), I have it. |
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This is a reply to message 101,438 by
Randy from USA
(Wednesday 12 October 2022; 01:53) | | |
| I thought about this the other day. I do not have #1s to Infinity, even though I bought the Infinity single. I also never bought The Ballads. Are the liner notes to either worth the purchase? What MC albums have you never bought? |
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Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,409) (101,410)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 5 October 2022; 23:49) | | |
| The best way to address would be an album, sung in a voice without any studio trickery, lamenting the loss of her voice. It would be incredibly powerful and poignant and could either be her curtain call or the beginning of a new era. You don't have to have more octaves than a grand piano and embellish every line to be a great singer. Look at Karen Carpenter. The beautiful thing about her voice was its simplicity. |
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Re: Just another Side Effects (101,395) (101,396)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 16:44) | | |
| It's funny you say that, Joni Mitchell had a greatest hits album called Hits, but she insisted it could only be issued if a sister album, Misses, was also released at the same time. Misses contained all her flops haha. |
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Re: Just another Side Effects (101,391) (101,394)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 12:38) | | |
Mariah fans: Wow, Crapfinity was really terrible. I think this is the most awful thing Mariah's ever done, she can't possibly come up with anything worse.
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Re: Variety article - L.A Reid (101,337) (101,351)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 27 September 2022; 19:41) | | |
I've never understood why everybody seems to fall at LA Reid's feet and act like he's the second coming of Christ. He treated Toni Braxton appallingly and had one decent record with Mariah (Emancipation). Mariah has managed many hit albums without his input or management.
With Emancipation, Mariah herself was hungry to be back at the top of the charts, and without her drive and passion for the project, it would not have been the success it was. Also, the public I think wanted to see her return to where she belonged, as she was due it after the unfair treatment she got for her mental well-being and the lackluster response to CB.
E=MC2 was Emancipation's second verse. Cruise Control indeed. "The Voice" that was all over the previous album was scaled back in exchange for rapid staccato singing and party songs, and Mariah herself lost interest after Touch My Body following her marriage to Nick.
As for Memoirs, handing the production of the entire album to The Dream was an error as the album sounded like one, long, continuous song. By track 11 it's like, enough with the finger snaps already.
I'd rather Mariah work with somebody totally new and different and interesting. But what do I know? As always, I wish her every success and happiness with her new projects and if LA Reid pulls it out the bag, then great.
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Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,346)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 27 September 2022; 15:05) | | |
| For anybody keen on obtaining this, Vinyl Me Please are taking pre-orders for the second edition of the vinyl, following the first edition selling out immediately. Mariah's official store has sold out of both editions, but the second edition is still available on VMP at the time of writing. Different coloured vinyl this time round (beige instead of honey, looks better in my mind). |
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Re: Release Honey music video in that color (101,273) (101,274)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 20 September 2022; 12:42) | | |
| It did look equally as good, but the sepia filter was very "Butterfly", what with the album palette and Mariah's earth tone look back then. |
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Re: Breakdown rediscovered (101,261) (101,264)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 19 September 2022; 00:01) | | |
| I think Breakdown will go down in history as one of the biggest regrets of Mariah's career. The song was ground breaking at the time, the video was brilliant, and nothing like it had come before it. I genuinely believe it would have been a #1 in the US if it had been given its shot. Mariah would have got behind it and promoted the hell out of it. Glad you're seeing it in a new light now Terna. As I live through different experiences so many Mariah songs end up meaning more, Breakdown no exception. |
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Honey: The Remixes (101,257)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 18 September 2022; 15:23) | | |
| The double LP of Honey is available to pre-order from Urban Outfitters on honey coloured vinyl (exclusive). It contains the same tracks as the MC30 EP and sadly, not the new Morales remix. |
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