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Subtle Invitation (103,171)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 12 August 2023; 13:22) | | |
| On Subtle Invitation, and likely the others you mentioned, her voice is pitched up for the final version. There was an original pitch version of Subtle Invitation floating around a few years back but I don't think it's about anymore, probably got removed. Personally I thought the lower, natural tone sounded better, but who am I? |
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This is a reply to message 103,167 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 12 August 2023; 07:01) | | |
| The way MC sings on this song has never been talked about before. It's not her head voice nor is it her whisper voice. She does the same type of singing on GTFO and There Goes My Heart Again. Music majors help me out. Are all three sung in the same key? |
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Tommy or no career at all (103,147)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 August 2023; 20:35) | | |
| Oh and Why You Mad. How could I forget that monstrosity? |
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This is a reply to message 103,146 by
Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 August 2023; 19:49) | | |
| Having applied some further thought to this, we'd also live in a world without Crapfinity, Did I Do That, Boy, and Infamous. So I guess it would all balance out. |
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Tommy or no career at all (103,146)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 August 2023; 19:49) | | |
| Having applied some further thought to this, we'd also live in a world without Crapfinity, Did I Do That, Boy, and Infamous. So I guess it would all balance out. |
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This is a reply to message 103,138 by
Bill from the UK
(Sunday 6 August 2023; 11:37) | | |
| I think the Mariah we got in those early days would have been different. Warners were interested in her at the same point, but didn't want her to write her own material. It was Tommy allowing her to continue as a songwriter that swayed it. To think we could be living in a world without Vision of Love, Vanishing, Till the End of Time, All I Want for Christmas Is You. Scary. |
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Head Over Heels (103,143)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 6 August 2023; 22:46) | | |
| A great AI Mariah singing "Head Over Heels" by Allure. I'd love to hear Mariah's original demo but this is a good representation of what it may have sounded like. |
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Tommy or no career at all (103,138)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 6 August 2023; 11:37) | | |
| I think the Mariah we got in those early days would have been different. Warners were interested in her at the same point, but didn't want her to write her own material. It was Tommy allowing her to continue as a songwriter that swayed it. To think we could be living in a world without Vision of Love, Vanishing, Till the End of Time, All I Want for Christmas Is You. Scary. |
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This is a reply to message 103,137 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 5 August 2023; 20:54) | | |
| I often wonder why did it take Tommy to discover MC. She had this beautiful voice in high school and the help of her brother Morgan after high school. Could it be that if Tommy had never been handed her demo tape, that we probably would have never had a Mariah Carey? The world didn't need another Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin? MC sounded and emulated the both of them at the beginning of her career. It wasn't until her voice started to change in 1997 that we got a very different sounding Mariah and her musical style evolved into what it is today. I think Potrait gave us the full circle Mariah Carey who looked back at her career in a song. Just me thinking that God is not done with MC yet. This woman has bounced back so many times and caught the world's attention again. |
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Albums (103,122)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 20:04) | | |
| Well Mariah argued her way out of Sony's 10-album deal early. They said albums like Unplugged and #1's didn't count, but she countered as Unplugged charted in the albums chart, as #1's contained new material and new singles. Then they agreed to part with Greatest Hits being the 10th album. Same might be said for the Epic contract. Caution, #1 to Infinity and that All I Want for Christmas Is You compilation for the book were all released through Epic. That makes three of the same logic is applied. Time will tell. |
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This is a reply to message 103,120 by
Tevin from USA
(Tuesday 1 August 2023; 17:08) | | |
| I believe someone on here mentioned that Mariah still has one or two more albums to fulfill with her current contract. I'm no lawyer, but if her voice isn't there to complete said tasks, what happens then? I wonder if she can release compilation type albums like MC Butterfly Lounge or Remixes 2 or Rarities 2. Also has Mariah done Twitter Spaces in a while? |
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Mariah's version (103,106)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 30 July 2023; 22:43) | | |
| Careful Eddie. I referred to the "yaas queen" fans once and got called homophobic. Me of all people lol. |
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This is a reply to message 103,104 by
Edward from USA
(Sunday 30 July 2023; 13:53) | | |
| When she was defrosting leading up to last Christmas, she had ample time to be ready for decent performances during the first few shows, but we saw how unprepared she was. How many wake up calls does she need? The gay pride performance was painful to watch. It seems to be she doesn't really care anymore, which is perfectly fine. I don't see anything wrong with her enjoying the time with her family and retire with dignity. I just don't want her to keep embarrassing herself during these random performances. While the "yass queen" fans love it when she embarrass herself like that, I, instead, feel bad for her and her impressive catalog. She needs real friends who don't lie to her to keep a paycheck coming. |
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Mariah's version (103,101)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 29 July 2023; 21:29) | | |
| The monstrosity that appeared on Apple's Magical Christmas. Although 2008 at the Grammy's was also awful, how I wish she'd be able to sing like that now. Even though it later transpired it was a re-recorded version she, of course, lipped to. |
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This is a reply to message 103,097 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Saturday 29 July 2023; 02:12) | | |
| Are you referring to the Apple TV Plus or the Grammys Nomination performance remake? Either way, neither one compares to the flawless original. |
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Mariah's version (103,095)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 28 July 2023; 23:47) | | |
| I don't think I can forgive her for that hideous remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". What was she thinking? The 1994 version is faultless. |
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This is a reply to message 103,092 by
Edward from USA
(Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02) | | |
| Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. |
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Article: How Mariah's "Dreamlover" changed dance remixes (103,089)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 28 July 2023; 06:24) | | |
"But Mariah, she loved and cared about club land. She cared about our culture. I have so many different versions of 'Dreamlover' that nobody's ever heard."
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You messing with Daydream? (103,058)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 22 July 2023; 08:23) | | |
How did you know I attended the London stop of the Daydream tour? I've never mentioned it before lol. But seriously what a night that was. What a night.  |
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This is a reply to message 103,055 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Friday 21 July 2023; 22:37) | | |
Yet she pays it absolute dust and only acknowledges ABMB. Just throw that whole record and era away and put in a year's vacation for her to rest her voice, with no world tour and especially that date you attended (hehe) and maybe Mariah would still have a little semblance of voice left. That Daydream era and world tour ruined her voice.  |
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You messing with Daydream? (103,047)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 21 July 2023; 13:27) | | |
| I never thought I'd see the day where Daydream gets slammed on this board. Wow. It's honestly perfect from start to finish. |
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This is a reply to message 103,043 by
Stacey from USA
(Friday 21 July 2023; 05:12) | | |
| It's a good thing we aren't face to face, lol. I'd have to take the necessary steps to defend Daydream. Randy, I know exactly the version you are talking about. That's my favorite version of Fantasy too. I absolutely love every song on that album. Looking In is my life's theme song. From the amazing bridge to I Am Free to the sultry layering of vocals on Melt Away, Daydream just oozes perfection. The album includes the emotion that maybe was missing on MB for some. Now back away slowly from Daydream and no one gets hurt. |
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Time for lists lol (103,024)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 July 2023; 21:43) | | |
Randy you know the word "list" summons me from my 90s bubble. This is from a US perspective seeing as she's only had 3 #1's in the UK.
10. Never Too Far
9. Loverboy
8. I Know What You Want
7. I Want to Know What Love Is
6. Butterfly
5. Make It Happen
4. Can't Let Go
3. Breakdown
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This is a reply to message 103,023 by
Randy from USA
(Tuesday 18 July 2023; 20:35) | | |
So since there's no news right now, let's do our favorite MC singles (releases, sent to radio or video made) that didn't go to number 1.
10. GTFO
9. Never Too Far
8. Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)
7. Loverboy
6. Never Forget You/Without You
5. Breakdown
4. Bye Bye
3. Can't Let Go
2. Through The Rain
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Emotionally stiff (102,995)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 11 July 2023; 09:12) | | |
"I should've said I love you, why didn't I just tell you?"
Heartbreaking words, I lost someone dear to me and wish I had told them how I felt. This hits me every time. |
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This is a reply to message 102,990 by
Edward from USA
(Monday 10 July 2023; 14:45) | | |
| I think "Never Forget You", "Anytime You Need a Friend", "Everything Fades Away" and "Without You" are very emotional. Mariah's voice on "Never Forget You" is makes me feel her pain, it's like something is piercing her soul, specially during the climax. And let's not talk about "Daydream", those journalists simply didn't like her, that's all. |
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Mariah's a songwriter? (102,928)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 24 June 2023; 10:49) | | |
| This is news to me too. I'm surprised she's not been inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame. |
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This is a reply to message 102,927 by
Randy from USA
(Friday 23 June 2023; 21:24) | | |
I had no idea. I just thought she stood on stage in a black gown and sang Hero one dimensionally. I thought because she's a terrible piano player and doesn't play guitar that there was no way she could write songs. I've seen every interview she's ever done and she's never mentioned it. I was under the impression that MC and Mimi wrote most of her songs. I thought Casio wrote All I Want For Christmas is You. I thought Gloria Estefan wrote Hero. I thought Eminem wrote Clown. I thought those scribbling noises on Faded were mice scurrying across the floor. I thought she was just drawing stick figures in her journal during the Can't Take That Away video. I thought that section of her writing Never Too Far in Glitter was just acting part of the script. My Butterfly can now fly over the Rainbow abandonedly. I agree Kelly, Mariah is not recognized as a songwriter.  |
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Bebe Rexha phone through (102,921)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 20 June 2023; 20:05) | | |
| Ah yes. Back in those days when people had attention spans lol. |
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This is a reply to message 102,920 by
MusicfanJ from Germany
(Tuesday 20 June 2023; 18:23) | | |
| Really? I never heard of this "trend". It's so stupid to throw a phone. Another reason why I prefer to watch a concert during the 90ies. The audience were normal people who enjoyed the artist to the fullest. |
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MB30 (102,916)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 19 June 2023; 18:36) | | |
| Hmmm. Ultimately Mariah wrote all those songs, and she speaks fondly of them in interviews. I don't think she dislikes the music, probably more the personal life at the time. But even then, the song "Now That I Know" says all that needs to be said about how Mariah felt about entering into marriage with Tommy. "By your side I can conquer the world." And conquer it she did. |
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This is a reply to message 102,913 by
Robert-Anthony from United States
(Sunday 18 June 2023; 17:52) | | |
| Maybe I can listen to just one song occasionally. That song is NFY. I called Music Box Tommy's control album. He was so disappointed with the heavy R&B influence and low sales of Emotions that Tommy mandated a more pop influence like MC's debut. Music Box's album cover pose is less than flattering too and one heck of a boring album cover. It reminds me of what Tommy was trying to do to suffocate MC by having her pose like young opera singer at a New York concert hall full of middle-aged married couples. MB is just one boring album from start to finish. Thank God two years later, MC gave us the beautiful Daydream. |
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MB30 (102,911)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 18 June 2023; 11:58) | | |
| Yes, the high notes became quite airy from 1993 onwards. They lost that precision they had in the early days. Her voice has progressively deteriorated with every album since the debut, she's never sounded as magical as on that record. |
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This is a reply to message 102,909 by
TJ from Norway
(Sunday 18 June 2023; 03:42) | | |
| I agree. I remember that I was a little bit disappointed of her high notes in 93. I love her version of [Emotions] on the [Proctors] performance, but it was not the same as her debut album. Her voice has been changing since 1990. |
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MB30 (102,898)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 June 2023; 16:23) | | |
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This is a reply to message 102,897 by
TJ from Norway
(Friday 16 June 2023; 15:58) | | |
I love that album, too. Not a big fan of the two uptempos (track number 5 and 8?), but the rest is just perfect. I've been driving to work singing "Hero" every day for a month now, trying to face another day (  kidding). I love my work. |
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MB30 (102,889)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 15 June 2023; 11:38) | | |
| No tour footage, no tour audio, a lukewarm "deluxe" digital album with only 3 new additions, an expensive cassette re-issue, an overly expensive non-audiophile vinyl pressing with no new material, and re-hashed merchandise. So yes. Botched. |
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This is a reply to message 102,888 by
Steven Berning from USA
(Thursday 15 June 2023; 10:07) | | |
| The Butterfly anniversary was botched? Wow. |
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Who is she kidding? (102,884)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 14 June 2023; 12:53) | | |
| Agree, the Mariah impersonator was great. |
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This is a reply to message 102,879 by
Nick G from Germany
(Tuesday 13 June 2023; 17:30) | | |
| Well I was there and what can I say? I quote my good friend Clarissa: Mariah was the best drag queen of the day. the movements, the attitudes and she sang like a drunk tourist in a karaoke bar. it was funny and sad at the same time. |
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MB30 (102,881)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 13 June 2023; 22:28) | | |
Apparently Mariah is dropping some surprises for Music Box's 30th anniversary (August 31st). Could it be we finally, finally get the Music Box Tour footage on DVD/Blu-ray quality and/or audio? The scrapped AYNAF video? More outtakes not included on The Rarities?
I hope it doesn't get botched like the Butterfly anniversary. |
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Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,857)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 8 June 2023; 22:10) | | |
I think my point is more around being objective and holding the mirror up. Mariah's success in those other markets is mirrored or bettered by the others on the list, let's not forget that.
Many of the females on the list claim to be the best selling lol.
I agree Madonna isn't looking her best lately, but hey, who is? I mean I'm not even a fan of hers but I recognise she was a trailblazer and a lot of her songs will forever be part of pop culture. I know she doesn't like Mariah and Mariah doesn't like her, but that doesn't mean her accomplishments should be ignored. She's as bone fide a songwriter as Mariah is, perhaps more so?
What irks me is the refusal, by some, to believe that anyone could possibly be better than Mariah at anything at all, ever. Purely because she has 20 number ones in one country. |
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This is a reply to message 102,856 by
Norman from USA
(Thursday 8 June 2023; 19:20) | | |
Bill, Mariah's worldwide sales speak for themselves. She might not have been big in the UK, but the UK isn't even the 2nd biggest music market - that would be Japan, where Mariah's their biggest-selling foreign act. She's also big in Asia as a whole - you know, where the vast majority of the world's population is. Sure, it's not Europe, I'll grant you that. But perhaps she's fine without the oonts oonts aficionados? Who's to say?
Would I like something other than a yearly Christmas resurgence, and a couple a high notes on a TikTok and "I see you up there" from a performance? Of course. Need I drag her through the mud to fasten on a badge as a true and non-delusional fan ad nauseum? No.
And other making headlines for horrendous nips and tucks, what current accomplishments do you speak of when lauding your worldwide artist?
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Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,854)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 8 June 2023; 15:00) | | |
| Lol, fair, but the other "so called" popular females (Madonna et al might object to that turn of phrase hah) have flexes equally as impressive in other areas. I think this is my point, there's a big wide world of other successes out there beyond US Billboard #1s and Christmas time. |
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This is a reply to message 102,852 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Thursday 8 June 2023; 14:08) | | |
| Now ask yourself this. "Which one of those other so called popular females has that Christmas flex?" After she's been the queen of music already. Exactly my point, none. |
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Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,849)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 7 June 2023; 19:24) | | |
| I thought you were moving on? Anyway all I said was the delusionals say "yaas queen", which they do. Whether they are gay or straight or anything in-between makes no difference to you, me, or anyone else. Stop taking things personally and reading things that aren't there. |
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This is a reply to message 102,848 by
Libra Lamb from USA
(Wednesday 7 June 2023; 18:40) | | |
| Let's be clear on some things. Your opinions about the Forbes list do not offend me. I don't care that she's not on the list. My only argument was that she was more popular in her prime than many others on that list. You put words in my mouth to further push your argument. I only said something because of the was you decided to express yourself mockingly using that and disguised it as trying to being funny. I only said something because someone has to call it out when they see it. It wasn't about me either, I'm a grown ass man and you don't know me therefore you can't hurt me. But you don't know how many young kids may be reading these comments and made to feel bad about their sexuality for being different. You can backtrack all you want but maybe choose your mocking words more carefully or you will be called out every time. That's all. Everyone can go back and read all these comments and take from them what they choose. Go ahead I know you must have the last and final word. |
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