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Name: Bill
Country: the UK
I love Mariah more than you do.
Re: If Butterfly single was released (101,240) (101,241) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 17 September 2022; 13:32)
Mariah said the record company didn't want her "streak" of number ones to end (though it technically ended with Can't Let Go), but presumably they meant from Fantasy onwards. There was no way anything was gonna budge Candle In the Wind from the top, which is probably why it never got released in the US. It was released commercially virtually everywhere else, and didn't chart that well considering her popularity at the time, so perhaps that was why it never got a commercial single in the US.
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Re: Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,230) (101,231) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 September 2022; 17:18)
Wow, it's already sold out. Wasn't even up an hour. I hope they press another batch.
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Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,230) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 September 2022; 16:57)
Vinyl Me Please has an exclusive edition of the vinyl in golden nugget colour, with some golden embossing on the sleeves. They have the extra LPs as having the following tracks:

Honey (So So Def Mix)
My All/Stay Awhile (So So Def Mix)
The Roof (Mobb Deep Extended Version)
Butterfly (Classic Bossa Nova)

Honey (Bad Boy Remix)
The Roof (Full Crew Mix)
Butterfly (Meme Club Radio)
Whenever You Call (with Brian)
Mi Todo

Honey (Def Club Mix)
Fly Away (Fly Away Club Mix)
My All (Morales Classic Club Mix)

Honey (Classic Mix)
Fly Away (Def B Fly Mix)
The Roof (Morales Funky Club Mix)
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Re: Mariah's age (101,190) (101,192) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 14 September 2022; 09:11)
She also said her marriage to Tommy was great yet she spent her honeymoon propping up a beach bar in tears.
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Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,179) (101,182) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 11 September 2022; 12:27)
The fact Caution was so well received should have made Mariah realise people don't always need to vocal acrobatics with her, especially as she can no longer replicate them live. I was listening to some old Julie London tracks (a jazz singer from years back), and her slow, smooth, sultry delivery would suit Mariah's current voice perfectly. An album sung like that would be a great addition to her catalogue. Rather than the same old tired formulaic R&B she's been doing since Bfly.
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Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,171) (101,173) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 10 September 2022; 14:10)
Hmmm. I'd rather have demos and unreleased material from 1997 over re-recorded stuff. Every song she has re-recorded has been inferior to the original.
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Butterfly 25 (101,166) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 9 September 2022; 19:39)
MC just tweeted "one week to go" with some butterfly emojis, so presumably there is something coming for the anniversary.
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Re: Not Mystical now (101,159) (101,161) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 8 September 2022; 08:46)
It's down to the individual I suppose as to whether they choose to carry on listening to artists like that. With R. Kelly it was easy for me as I never cared for him or his music to begin with. I thought the Betcha Gon' Know duet was awful and ruined a great song. His ballads were all the same and his voice wasn't particularly good. The only song he ever did that I didn't turn the dial on was Ignition Remix. As for Mystikal, it's the same. Never really rated him and think Don't Stop is somewhat ruined with him barking at me to shake my ass every five seconds.
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,156) (101,157) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 7 September 2022; 20:00)
Indeed, and I do see The Roof, Dreamlover, even ABMB as ballads in a way and don't dispute their inclusion on the compilation. All I Want for Christmas Is You (UK and Japanese editions) and How Much though? I also don't think Mariah had much creative oversight over the compilation either, as even the new version of Hero used to promote the album wasn't included (thank God). Even stranger was the iTunes bonus tracks - David Morales club mixes? Bizarre.
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,147) (101,150) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 6 September 2022; 13:55)
Yes, what you say makes sense in some ways, but then are How Much and the remix of TGIFY a representation of the ballads from Rainbow? When you have CTTA, After Tonight, Petals etc. that better fit the definition. Petals would have been a great showcase as it's a different type of ballad to the overwrought Carey/Afanasieff collabs from everything before.

What I'm trying to say is that I get there are the traditional ballads and the mid-tempo ballads and the different types of ballads. But is How Much a ballad?
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,142) (101,143) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 5 September 2022; 15:30)
Seal's first two albums were brilliant, I still play them today. As for Toni, I'm a big fan as well. Her voice is spectacular, and her debut album and Secrets I still play quite often. I love "Let It Flow" from Secrets, and "Breathe Again" from the debut.
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,130) (101,131) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 3 September 2022; 12:39)
Yes I agree. Much like The Remixes before it, The Ballads was a missed opportunity in a lot of ways. Of all the markets it was released in, Japan had the best tracklisting:

1. Hero
2. One sweet day
3. Endless love
4. Can't take that away
5. Open arms
6. Reflections
7. Butterfly
8. Love takes time
9. My all
10. Without you
11. Always be my baby
12. Vision of love
13. Can't let go
14. Anytime you need a friend
15. Thank God I found you (Make it last)
16. I'll be there
17. I still believe
18. Never too far
19. All I want for Christmas is you

So it had a number of the tracks you listed and removed some of the less ballad-y type songs. I get it probably had to have a certain hit-to-album track ratio, but I can't believe deep cuts like Vanishing, Till the End of Time, All I've Ever Wanted, Outside, Whenever You Call etc. didn't get a look in.

To the same degree The Remixes second disc annoys me, especially when towards the end it seems they gave up and just put on album tracks like Sweetheart and Crybaby rather than including something really rare like the Drifting Remix of Underneath the Stars or the club mixes for DYKWYGT etc. (This was before the EPs of course and would have been a good incentive to pick up the compilation.)

But we love everyone.
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Re: Endless Love (101,114) (101,121) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 1 September 2022; 21:43)
Endless Love is divine. For me, it beats out the original by miles. Lionel and Diana's version is nice, but both Luther and Mariah are superior singers and their voices are so rich and soulful and gel together so perfectly. Like a full bodied wine.

The live version in London is one of Mariah's best ever performances. I'm lucky to have the promo CD with that version on it. They also sang it live on Top of the Pops as well together. They sang a shorter version but it was still great.

The video is also one of my faves. The warm hues, Mariah looks so great, and I love her "studio" videos (except Infamous of course).

Just a beautiful song, sang wonderfully by both of them.
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Re: Butterfly 25 (101,102) (101,103) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 30 August 2022; 14:18)
Yep, I really hope it is true, or at least some of it (the Allure demos). And I think irrespective of when someone became a Mariah fan, we all recognise how important Butterfly is to Mariah and what the album represents in terms of her growth as both a person and artist.
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Butterfly 25 (101,085) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 29 August 2022; 11:45)
Hi you all. Here's the rumoured tracklisting for the Butterfly 25th anniversary. One thing to note, David Morales said recently an old remix he did for Mariah is coming out soon, so it correlates with the Morales mix for Breakdown listed. If this tracklisting turns out to be true I will be over the moon.

1. Last Chance 4:22
2. Don't Go Looking for Love 3:16
3. After We Said Goodbye 6:12
4. All Cried Out 4:35
5. Make You Happy 4:59
6. Head Over Heels 4:10
7. Lead the Way (1996 demo) 4:18
8. The Roof (Original Version) 7:10
9. Honey (Demo 1) 5:32
10. Honey (Demo 2) 4:36
11. Breakdown (Morales Club Mix) 8:19
12. Fourth of July (Alternative Vocal Take) 4:19
13. Close My Eyes (Acoustic) 3:21
14. The Roof (When I Feel the Need) (feat. Brandy) 5:08
15. Breakdown (featuring Halle Bailey)
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Re: That Girl - Mariah (101,035) (101,042) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 25 August 2022; 15:20)
Jagged Little Pill was a phenomenal album, and deserved to win over Daydream in my view. Sorry, y'all know Mariah means everything to me, and Daydream is a superb album, but you can't take away from Alanis her well deserved achievement.
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Re: Mariah and Luis duet (101,023) (101,024) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 24 August 2022; 10:34)
Yes, the entire Rainbow album is recorded and mastered incredibly poorly. I don't think the poor sound quality is to do with the duet itself being scrapped, more just a terrible transfer from the master tape. It really needs to be remastered, unless the problem stems from the recording itself. The facility she used in Capri was primitive compared to the US Sony studios she recorded in beforehand. Also, perhaps the rush to get the album out and Mariah off the label contributed to a "it's good enough" approach. Either way it's shocking how terrible the album sounds. After Tonight is the worst track but there are others with flaws all the way through. Sometimes I curse my hi-fi set up and listen to the album on Spotify where you can't notice any of the problems.
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Re: Mariah and Luis duet (101,017) (101,018) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 22 August 2022; 21:02)
The other version of the story (non-dramatised for TV) is that the duet was After Tonight, but it was simply not in the right key for Luis to sing, and they realised their voices were not compatible, so Mariah recorded it solo.
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Re: Article: Mariah Carey wants to trademark "Queen of Christmas" (101,003) (101,004) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 21 August 2022; 09:25)
I do wonder if it is the same girl that used to write brilliant songs in the woodshop with Ben Margulies, that signed the contract to promote and endorse McDonalds.
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Re: New remix cd (100,984) (100,985) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 16 August 2022; 10:32)
Hello my friend. Those remixes are unofficial, and I only deal with authorised remixes haha.
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Re: Just a top song again (100,975) (100,979) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 15 August 2022; 11:16)
I thought Obsessed went top 10 over there?
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Re: Bryson Tiller x Mariah (100,964) (100,966) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 13 August 2022; 11:38)
Interesting. Maybe they've done something for #Butterfly25.
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My All (100,957) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 11 August 2022; 21:37)
Every so often I am struck with how beautiful this song is. The gentle guitar, the subdued percussion, the ethereal lyrics and imagery, and of course Mariah's gorgeous vocals. So tentative, yet so intense at the same time. The song is so simple, but completely unforgettable. I was on my balcony in this glorious heatwave, as the day was cooling off. Headphones on, this track on repeat. I listened from sunset, through twilight, to the stars coming out.
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Re: RIP Olivia Newton John (100,944) (100,945) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 9 August 2022; 14:29)
I agree, Mariah's tribute post was lovely.
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RIP Olivia Newton John (100,940) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 8 August 2022; 23:16)
Just the other day I wrote how much I loved Mariah's duet with ONJ. So sad to hear of her passing away. I really hope their duet is released in its entirety one of these days. God bless her always.
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