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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

MB30 (102,889) by Bill from the UK No tour footage, no tour audio, a lukewarm "deluxe" digital album with only 3 new additions, an expensive cassette re-issue, an overly expensive non-audiophile vinyl pressing with no new material, and re-hashed merchandise. So yes. Botched. (Thursday 15 June 2023; 11:38) this is a reply to message 102,888

MB30 (102,888) by Steven Berning from USA The Butterfly anniversary was botched? Wow. (Thursday 15 June 2023; 10:07)

Who is she kidding? (102,884) by Bill from the UK Agree, the Mariah impersonator was great. (Wednesday 14 June 2023; 12:53) this is a reply to message 102,879

Who is she kidding? (102,879) by Nick G from Germany Well I was there and what can I say? I quote my good friend Clarissa: Mariah was the best drag queen of the day. the movements, the attitudes and she sang like a drunk tourist in a karaoke bar. it was funny and sad at the same time. (Tuesday 13 June 2023; 17:30)

MB30 (102,881) by Bill from the UK Apparently Mariah is dropping some surprises for Music Box's 30th anniversary (August 31st). Could it be we finally, finally get the Music Box Tour footage on DVD/Blu-ray quality and/or audio? The scrapped AYNAF video? More outtakes not included on The Rarities? I hope it doesn't get botched like the Butterfly anniversary. (Tuesday 13 June 2023; 22:28)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,857) by Bill from the UK I think my point is more around being objective and holding the mirror up. Mariah's success in those other markets is mirrored or bettered by the others on the list, let's not forget that. Many of the females on the list claim to be the best selling lol. I agree Madonna isn't looking her best lately, but hey, who is? I mean I'm not even a fan of hers but I recognise she was a trailblazer and a lot of her songs will forever be part of pop culture. I know she doesn't like Mariah and Mariah doesn't like her, but that doesn't mean her accomplishments should be ignored. She's as bone fide a songwriter as Mariah is, perhaps more so? What irks me is the refusal, by some, to believe that anyone could possibly be better than Mariah at anything at all, ever. Purely because she has 20 number ones in one country. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 22:10) this is a reply to message 102,856

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,856) by Norman from USA Bill, Mariah's worldwide sales speak for themselves. She might not have been big in the UK, but the UK isn't even the 2nd biggest music market - that would be Japan, where Mariah's their biggest-selling foreign act. She's also big in Asia as a whole - you know, where the vast majority of the world's population is. Sure, it's not Europe, I'll grant you that. But perhaps she's fine without the oonts oonts aficionados? Who's to say? Would I like something other than a yearly Christmas resurgence, and a couple a high notes on a TikTok and "I see you up there" from a performance? Of course. Need I drag her through the mud to fasten on a badge as a true and non-delusional fan ad nauseum? No. And other making headlines for horrendous nips and tucks, what current accomplishments do you speak of when lauding your worldwide artist? All the best. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 19:20)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,854) by Bill from the UK Lol, fair, but the other "so called" popular females (Madonna et al might object to that turn of phrase hah) have flexes equally as impressive in other areas. I think this is my point, there's a big wide world of other successes out there beyond US Billboard #1s and Christmas time. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 15:00) this is a reply to message 102,852

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,852) by Terna from Nigeria Now ask yourself this. "Which one of those other so called popular females has that Christmas flex?" After she's been the queen of music already. Exactly my point, none. (Thursday 8 June 2023; 14:08)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,849) by Bill from the UK I thought you were moving on? Anyway all I said was the delusionals say "yaas queen", which they do. Whether they are gay or straight or anything in-between makes no difference to you, me, or anyone else. Stop taking things personally and reading things that aren't there. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 19:24) this is a reply to message 102,848

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,848) by Libra Lamb from USA Let's be clear on some things. Your opinions about the Forbes list do not offend me. I don't care that she's not on the list. My only argument was that she was more popular in her prime than many others on that list. You put words in my mouth to further push your argument. I only said something because of the was you decided to express yourself mockingly using that and disguised it as trying to being funny. I only said something because someone has to call it out when they see it. It wasn't about me either, I'm a grown ass man and you don't know me therefore you can't hurt me. But you don't know how many young kids may be reading these comments and made to feel bad about their sexuality for being different. You can backtrack all you want but maybe choose your mocking words more carefully or you will be called out every time. That's all. Everyone can go back and read all these comments and take from them what they choose. Go ahead I know you must have the last and final word. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 18:40)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,845) by Bill from the UK I'm amazed my comments about a Forbes list caused so much offence to you. I think you're taking my messages personally which isn't the intention, and I certainly never mocked anybody's sexuality, nor would I ever. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 10:02) this is a reply to message 102,841

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,841) by Libra Lamb from USA I never used the word tyrant. Don't you put words in my mouth too just to try and insult me. If you can't read the mocking and condescending way he expressed himself that's on you. Call me delusional all you want but at least read the posts if you're going to chime in and defend or condone that behavior. I get that we are all different and we may disagree at times but those comments only speak to your character. I'm a gay man in my early 40s and I'm not some kid that expresses themselves like that, not that there's anything wrong with that. Go on and justify ignorance some more, it's fully expected at this point. We can agree to disagree. I'm moving on and I'm glad to see a lot of you also step in and say something productive and stand up against it too. I may be wrong at times or have an unpopular opinion but I will never not stand up for what I believe is the right thing. Eric, I really do appreciate everything you do to keep this board going and I apologize if I caused any grief directly or indirectly. Always remember sometimes we have to choose our battles and there's nothing wrong with ignoring people that won't ever consider the slightest possibility that they may be incorrect with their "facts". (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 06:43)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,843) by Bill from the UK I completely agree. For three years, Mariah was incredibly popular across the globe and no one really compared. However, those three years plus her US-only number one records does not mean she is the most popular female singer ever/today and should therefore be sitting atop every single list ever, unfortunately. As fans of hers, we are mired in her success and statistics, but looking at it objectively, it's clear and obvious as to why she wouldn't feature on that list and the others didn't. It's nothing for anyone to be upset about, there's nothing to be done about it. Ask yourself what has she done since last Christmas? The Christmas before that? The Christmas before that? A couple of lipped concerts and an endorsement for McDonalds. (Wednesday 7 June 2023; 08:16) this is a reply to message 102,838

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,838) by Terna from Nigeria You just speak with opinions and try to pass them off as facts. First things first, the era Mariah reigned supreme - the 90's - cannot be compared with this day we live in with the internet, streaming, YouTube and social media. Mariah had none of these and still had her foot on every other single artists necks, Both male and female. Her numbers speak volumes - this is someone as young as she was, went toe to toe with Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Céline Dion, Toni Braxton, Michael Bolton, Sheryl Crowe, Alanis Morrisette, The Spice Girls, Mary J. Blige, Tevin Campbell, Aaliyah, Brandy, Prince, Monica, Madonna Boyz II Men etc all of whom it should be noted were also in their prime, And still came out on top winning multiple awards (Billboard artist of the decade and millennium artist to name a few) that reflect her impact and popularity. Mariah made over 1 billion US dollars for Sony - one artist alone, Until Beyoncé, Taylor, Rihanna and even Madonna can match these "tip of the iceberg" statistics I just mentioned, they are not anywhere near Mariah Carey in popularity. Social media is all smoke and mirrors and that "fame" is false and does not translate to anything tangible when it comes down to the real. You of all people should know this with numbers being fabricated today with follower count and all. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 23:02)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,831) by Bill from the UK Mocking sexual preferences? What on earth are you talking about. We're talking about why Mariah is not on the Forbes list and I've presented logical facts as to why she isn't rather than the standard "she's had more number ones than anybody therefore she is the best" argument that always gets thrown around here by the delusionals. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 14:20) this is a reply to message 102,830

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,830) by Libra Lamb from USA It was sarcasm. The only things you guys proved was that you can put words in people's mouths and mock their sexual preferences and claim victory. It's very one sided and Eric knows because my posts calling you out on it don't get published. Let's see if this one makes it. I seriously doubt it. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 13:37)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,829) by Bill from the UK You're welcome. Facts always triumph over opinions. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 12:35) this is a reply to message 102,825

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,825) by Libra Lamb from USA Thank you Bill and Eric for proving my point today. Have a blessed day. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 02:41)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,828) by Bill from the UK The downfall can be traced much further back, but she was fortunate to have a comeback. Memoirs was a bit of a misstep and she's never had a top ten since that album. The problem is she doesn't have the voice anymore without studio engineering so she's only really got her songwriting. That, unfortunately, has been in a bit of a rut since 1997, and has gone steadily downhill since she began incorporating nonsense in her lyrics like "corny like Fritos" and comparing herself to a chandelier etc. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 12:34) this is a reply to message 102,824

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,824) by Robert-Anthony from United States Bill, you feel that Infinity was downfall of MC's career, right? MC's career never recovered after that horrible song was released and placed as the lead single on a greatest hits collection. She should have recorded and released a follow up to Vision of Love or something in its vain. Will she ever recover to reclaim her 2005 comeback? (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 01:44)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,827) by Bill from the UK Yes, but that is only a US perspective. One Sweet Day was not a huge hit anywhere else except the US. It was a normal top ten across other territories. Most of her earlier number ones didn't even chart strongly across the world, whereas Madonna for example had global success with her music from the very beginning. And I don't know if you pay attention to today's charts, but Taylor and Beyonce are far, far more popular than Mariah was during her peak. Again, globally, not just US-centric. And again, Mariah's success in the mid-90s wouldn't be enough to have her on the list. During that peak she did, what, less than 10 concert dates? Madonna and Dolly probably did hundreds in that same period. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 06:57) this is a reply to message 102,823

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,823) by Terna from Nigeria Not one of those women experienced that juggernaut, fever pitch fame Mariah experienced in her peak, and this was before the internet and social media. Neither has Celine Dion had bigger hits. Matter of fact Celine was pretty much unknown until the late 90's with Titanic and Mariah had already had One Sweet Day, a feat she repeated again with "We Belong Together" in the 2000's. Juggernaut, massive (all caps), inescapable hits. Which both ended up being crowned Song of the Decade. (Tuesday 6 June 2023; 00:15)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,822) by Bill from the UK I mean I was literally the only person that commented on the original article so gathered it was directed at me. But yeh, sorry, as great as Mariah was, she's nowhere near as rich and popular as the ladies in the Forbes article. This is why she isn't on the list lol. Keep slaying. (Monday 5 June 2023; 16:31) this is a reply to message 102,820

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,820) by Libra Lamb from USA I was not talking about you specifically but thanks for jumping in and writing my follow up post. As long as it fits your narrative, I guess. We were talking about careers in their peak, not individual songs that you chose yourself as examples. We were not talking about current status of their career either. What does fit you is that you always have to be right about everything and assuming of others. If I wanted to say it was you I would have said so, if the shoe fits please wear it. I'm unbothered and thanks for that silly post. It was funny. Yaaas queen. Werk. Lmao. (Monday 5 June 2023; 13:39)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,818) by Bill from the UK I'm not sure if you're referring to my post, but how was I negative and mad lol? All I said was that those artists on the Forbes list are massive and it is probably right. Whitney isn't on the list, and she's about the same level of popularity as Mariah in the world, so it makes sense. And yes Mariah has had a million number ones, but that can't always be the trump card you lay to try to win an argument. More people have heard of and know songs like Jolene and Papa Don't Preach over Thank God I Found You and I Don't Wanna Cry. As I said, Mariah has had a fantastic career, no one would ever doubt that, but you have to be more measured and realistic when analysing and reflecting on her career against her peers, especially in these later years where she is finding it increasingly difficult to hold on to her "greatest voice of a generation" tag. I'll write your next post for you: she has nothing to prove, if you don't like her why do you hang around here, get a life, yaas queen, slay. (Monday 5 June 2023; 08:19) this is a reply to message 102,817

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,817) by Libra Lamb from USA I think only handful of artists have been more popular than Mariah at their respective prime. There's people here that strongly believe that their opinions are the only ones that matter. They have to be right about everything and will go to far lengths to defend their opinions, even when they are wrong and downright offensive. It's gotten really boring to see their posts get published but when you go against it, your post doesn't see the light of day. I get that the webmaster has the right to pick and choose, I'm just saying it's unfair and again, very boring. Yawn. I try not to argue with them simply because you can never win an argument against those. It's better to log off and go to do something positive and productive and let these "lambs" sit with their phones and attack Mariah and each other. Call me delusional or whatever and I don't care, your words mean nothing to me. Stay negative and stay mad. (Sunday 4 June 2023; 23:53)

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,813) by Bill from the UK It's probably right. All those artists you listed are incredibly popular, absolute juggernauts of the industry. Way more popular than Mariah was during her peak. The only real comparable is Celine. Her career is longer, her hits bigger, her tours and residencies gross more, and her sales likely bigger at this point. Mariah's career is great, but others have had better ones. (Sunday 4 June 2023; 09:38) this is a reply to message 102,811

Forbes richest women, no Mariah (102,811) by Nicole from US So on the first of June, Forbes published a list of the richest self-made women, 100 women in fields of careers. For music, Rihanna (20) leads $1.4B, Taylor (34), Madonna (45), Beyoncé (48), Celine (56), Dolly Parton (59) and Barbra (61) with $430M. I cannot help but think if this list is even accurate or does Mariah not share her income accurately in tax books lol. (Sunday 4 June 2023; 02:25)

Randy follow up (102,794) by Bill from the UK It's difficult to trust Wikipedia as that also said Mariah wrote All My Life when she didn't. Anyone can add nonsense to an article. I find it odd Mariah would say, in her own words, that she didn't write the song and also didn't like it when she, according to some, did write and produce it? (Wednesday 31 May 2023; 09:56) this is a reply to message 102,793

Randy follow up (102,793) by Robert-Anthony from United States According to Wikipedia, the original songwriters were commissioned by Disney. When MC signed on to sing Almost Home, she and producers Stargate changed it a bit and Almost Home became what was released. It's funny the website the Singersroom says that Sia Furler wrote the song with the other songwriters. It does have a Sia influenced melody during the lyrics. Could she be a ghost songwriter on the song? She was extremely popular then as a songwriter. (Wednesday 31 May 2023; 00:42)

Randy follow up (102,792) by Bill from the UK Source? I quoted directly from Mariah's book. (Tuesday 30 May 2023; 18:33) this is a reply to message 102,788

Randy follow up (102,788) by Nikki from usa Almost Home - Mariah actually did write a song for that, but after she turned it in they practically re-wrote the entire thing. That's not what she wrote, but that's why they gave her a writing credit. She was still under contract, so when studio time came for her to sing it and she saw the finished project wasn't her song, she still had to sing it. The second part of songwriting is "how" you sing it, I'm not sure how much of the original of Mariah's writing in that sense made it to the final product either. However, it sounds like Mariah's style during the climax with all the extra Mariahs. (Tuesday 30 May 2023; 13:06)

Best song intro (102,782) by Bill from the UK Tina Arena is fantastic, especially her "Don't Ask" and "In Deep" albums, but I don't think she sounds or looks enough like Mariah to be able to do a convincing portrayal. As she also sings French language songs, I thought she'd be perfect to play Celine one of these days. (Sunday 28 May 2023; 16:48) this is a reply to message 102,780

Best song intro (102,780) by Robert-Anthony from United States You're so right, Matty. The Bachelorette commercial is what prompted my post. I was moving around cleaning in my living room and I heard the Fantasy intro and MC's iconic voice. I think that Fantasy has been used more in past 5 years in commercials and movies than any other MC song. 1990-1999 will always be the years that non fans will know Mariah Carey for her work and artistry. Cheers to the queen of iconic songs and intros and that voice back then. I hope that we get biopic movie in the next five years played by the Australian singer and actress Tina Arena. (Sunday 28 May 2023; 11:57)

Rainbow was bigger than Daydream (102,749) by Bill from the UK Whilst Rainbow did indeed have great opening first week sales, Daydream remains Mariah's second-biggest seller after Music Box. I also don't think the singles from Rainbow had the lasting impact that Fantasy, Always Be My Baby and One Sweet Day had. And although the Rainbow tour was a lot of fun, it can't compare to the Daydream tour. Rainbow is great and underrated, but there is some filler, and the recording/mastering is one of her worst ever. Plus it's the home for Did I Do That, and the less said about that monstrosity the better. (Sunday 21 May 2023; 07:51) this is a reply to message 102,745

Rainbow was bigger than Daydream (102,745) by Robert-Anthony from United States Well, here it is as I promised. I am probably going to get a lot of push back for making this statement. This is why I have made such a bold statement. Rainbow was MC's liberation album. She had creative authority to do what she wanted to on Rainbow. She wanted to fulfill her contractual obligations to Sony Music. So she recorded Rainbow in 6 months. The recording of Rainbow has been her shortest time ever to record an album. The Heartbreaker single Jay-Z feature was a first for MC. It was the first time in her career that another artist was featured on one her lead singles. MC wrote ballads that were closer to R&B than pop for Rainbow. Many of the ballads mirrored sentiments she experienced in her personal life. The first week album sales of 323,000 were the highest in her career at the time. It was the first time a single's remix was featured on the album's initial release. Mariah started this trend that many R&B/Hip Hop have duplicated. It was the first time a Mariah Carey album had two interludes included in the album's tracklisting. The Biana alter ego was introduced. The Heartbreaker video was more expensive than Fantasy. Heartbreaker is one of the most expensive videos ever made costing 2.5 million. Promotion and tour was bigger than Daydream. Agree or disagree? (Saturday 20 May 2023; 20:56)

Favorite 90s singles cover (102,734) by Bill from the UK Haha. I forgot it, then added it last minute and my messages got combined lol. But yes, #11. (Monday 15 May 2023; 14:57) this is a reply to message 102,732

Favorite 90s singles cover (102,732) by TJ from Norway Is Make it Happen #11? (Monday 15 May 2023; 11:05)

Favorite 90s singles cover (102,730) by Bill from the UK So many to choose and so many are great. My faves: 1. Vision of Love 2. Can't Let Go 3. Dreamlover 4. Without You 5. Anytime You Need a Friend 6. All I Want for Christmas Is You 7. Fantasy 8. Open Arms 9. Always Be My Baby 10. Always Be My Baby UK exclusive cover Of those ten, my absolute best is probably Without You. Maybe Can't Let Go. And Make It Happen. (Monday 15 May 2023; 03:26) this is a reply to message 102,719

Favorite 90s singles cover (102,719) by Robert-Anthony from United States My favorite 90s singles cover is Never Forget You/Without You. I love this cover because of the beige/almond background and MC's innocent pose. What is your favorite 90s singles cover? (Saturday 13 May 2023; 14:15)

Randy follow up (102,693) by Bill from the UK Hi Randy, not that I'm one to spend my life trying to disprove others, but I knew deep down in my soul something was telling me Mariah didn't write "Almost Home" and I finally remembered. It was in her memoir, she wrote this: "I love to collaborate with people, but in the rare instances when I've done other people's songs, I haven't liked it. There was a Disney song I did five, six years ago called "Almost Home", and I never really liked it. No offence to whoever wrote it, and I did it because Disney wanted me to do it, but it didn't feel like me at all." So where does this leave us with our tally? (Monday 8 May 2023; 23:38)

Good Lord, just enjoy the show (102,688) by Bill from the UK Point out a part of the show that was enjoyable and I'll go check it out. (Monday 8 May 2023; 14:53) this is a reply to message 102,687

Good Lord, just enjoy the show (102,687) by Chicago Lamb from USA "There's people called haters and we give them positivity." Why do some nit-pic and criticize? Is is because you have a platform to do it? Is it off-base expectation? Time to think about it. Just enjoy the show. (Monday 8 May 2023; 14:24)

New low? (102,686) by Bill from the UK All of your message Terna makes sense and comes from a place of love. The only area I'd differ is on the surgery. At this point, what on earth is there left to lose? Her voice has gone. You, me, even J. Lo could have gone up on that stage and delivered better vocals than Mariah did. Everything good is lipped, everything live is either flat, off key, or sounds painful. Boyz II Men gave a dignified, decent performance, and sounded absolutely fine 25 odd years after Madison Square Garden. Mariah was absolutely dreadful by comparison. We are all hurting here, and it seems the lipped Vision of Love was the eye opener for many. Some of us, myself included, have been beating this drum for a long time. The reality is, her voice has gone. How she lost it so rapidly doesn't really matter. Her options now are surgery, or resign. (Monday 8 May 2023; 13:46) this is a reply to message 102,681

New low? (102,681) by Terna from Nigeria Let's not be too hard on her, and still remember that she might be doing the best she can with what's left of her ability right now, which from the clips we saw is not much. Her voice issues are serious seeing as how many times she kept sipping tea and still it wasn't enough. At this point, her options are slim – it's voice therapy or the much dreaded surgery. Being in her shoes must be very scary as we all know what happened to Bonnie Tyler's voice and Julie Andrews more recently. I know it scares Mariah to think of surgery and putting her gift, career and future all on the line. What I want to see Mariah do is a lifestyle change and to seek professional help. Build your voice from the ground back up again with a voice therapist and a vocal coach, those exercises really do work. Find out what you've been doing wrong and correct that technique. You'll be surprised how much of her vocal problems are superficial. (Monday 8 May 2023; 10:28)

The whistle or the complete voice? (102,671) by Bill from the UK I'd rather she didn't lip anything if I'm honest. All I want is for her to sing a song live end to end like she was able to 1990-1996. No one would mind or be disappointed if she announced her upper register was no longer available going forward given her age. It is nothing more than a gimmick now as I've said previously, any studio notes are heavily engineered and she hasn't hit a live one in decades, so really, what is the point of them? As for surgery, there is the rumour that she had surgery after the Daydream tour and that is why her voice was never the same from 1997 onwards. We will never know the actual truth of the matter because Mariah refuses to acknowledge there is anything wrong, or that anything has changed. This leads to perhaps unfair speculation. She squandered her gift through drinking, she squandered her gift through drugs, she squandered her gift by not looking after her voice properly etc. It could be a medical issue, it could be she has a degenerative illness (which would explain why she can't move on stage unaided), it could be a whole host of reasons. Point is, until she does that candid to-camera confession and opens up, we won't ever know. I get lambasted on here by the Yass Queen Gang, but honestly, I love her too much. I would cry with relief and love and support her and champion her more than I ever have done previously if she only was brave enough to open her heart and let us in. I can only speak for myself, but I love her more than whistle notes and number one records. I love her for who she is and what she has brought to my life. All I ever want is for her to be happy, healthy, and loved. She has given me so much, and all I can ever give her back is my love. If only she'd let me. (Sunday 7 May 2023; 15:35) this is a reply to message 102,670

The whistle or the complete voice? (102,670) by TheWind from England If it's true that Mariah has nodules on her vocals that have damaged her voice, but allow her to facilitate the whistle register, what would you rather? Mariah to get surgery and lose the whistle register, but return to an overall healthy voice, or maintain the whistle register and continue to work around the nodules? This is a purely speculative post, as I don't know that she has nodules etc, and I have no clue what's wrong with her voice. If it is true, I'd much rather she lip whistle notes for the rest of her career and sing everything in between in a healthy voice. (Sunday 7 May 2023; 13:53)

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