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Nodules and whistles (101,790)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 12 December 2022; 15:28) | | |
The thing is her voice got worse every year since 1990. Never thought I'd be praying for 2018 vocals but here I am doing just that. 2023 will be worse than 2022 for all the reasons you mention. The concerts won't stop as it's a lucrative scam. The ticket prices are astronomical and what you get in exchange is lip syncing, pre-records, awful vocals when live, and jibberish in between the songs.
And yes, the squealing she does to prove she can still hit high notes is becoming as excruciating as the finger being stuck in her ear for theatrics. |
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This is a reply to message 101,788 by
MC1989 from Spain
(Monday 12 December 2022; 14:23) | | |
Whistles used to be an ornament in her songs, an extra or a plus to her huge voice range and singing abilities. Nowadays the narrative of "I don't remove my nodules because thanks to them I can hit whistle notes" is absurd. But then again, it' s Maria's choice, and I can even understand the fear of going under that kind of surgery. But right now, in these recent years, the whole range has been affected by the nodules, the lack of training and rehearsing, the bad habits and of course age. She even admitted that she doesn't train her voice before concerts during her Masterclass. She said she does a few vocal scales to see if the whistles and the low notes are there and goes singing. That's not that your instrument has become weak due to age or whatever, it's a personal choice of not wanting to warm up and really train on a regular basis. No vocal resting will change that. But hey, Mariah can whistle. Flat whistles that most of the times sound more like high weak screams than whistles. Between the lipped parts she keeps doing these little whistle screams to try to prove that although she lipped, she can hit some similar sound, if we can consider a shout a note.
I'm here because I'm a fan. I'm always hoping to see if she gets better and if she can surprise me. I loved her memoir, The Rarities, some of her recent interviews, because I love Mariah. I spent more money on her than in any other artist I admire. I want her to succeed and to reach number one and I want people to appreciate her legendary catalogue apart from AIWFCIY. But lately I feel a little sad when I see her performing. I don't like people including me, talking about how bad this or that performance was. So why keep the exposure that much? If she can't sing good an entire song without any lipped part, lipped whistles etc, then stop performing, stop singing impossible songs for her current voice.
Mariah can fool a non fan or a recent fan, but she certainly cannot fool fans like me who have been following her for more than 2 decades and have watched every single performance she has done since 1990. I can recognize immediately when she's lipping. And I had come to a point where I didn't mind she was using prerecorded tracks in some parts of certain songs if the rest of the vocal performance was really good. But this year's performances are really mediocres. Nowadays it's so evident when the lipped part comes in, that she can be happy that the thousands of people who pay the astronomic prices for her shows can think those parts are not lipped, and that they can't hear the differences between her 2022 voice and the 1994 voice for instance in Hark The Herald Angels Sing, where the alternation of those 2 different tones is pure cringe for someone who has a good ear.
By the way I've also noticed that her lip synching has become a little more convincing to the general audience because in the recent years she's been using fillers in her face, and though she looks beautiful I also notice a lack of expression in her face. In the past her face muscles revealed very clearly when she was singing live and when not.
I saw her in Madrid in 2020 and even though she lipped the same parts - because basically it's the same show with a few changes - the show was good and her voice sounded strong and beautiful. But 2022 is one of her worst vocal moments from what I've seen this far. Again, I hope she gets better. I will support her upcoming movie or series about her life, I would also love to hear her 1995 version of Someone's Ugly Daughter and her upcoming projects. But I would like her to stop giving these bad performances. |
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Toronto shows (101,789)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 12 December 2022; 15:24) | | |
| I did suspect Away In A Manger was lipped, but held my tongue. But yes, on closer inspection it is very obviously the case. Shame, but I suppose MC knew that performance might get some media attention. |
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This is a reply to message 101,787 by
MC1989 from Spain
(Monday 12 December 2022; 13:16) | | |
| Amen. My point is that Mariah still has a beautiful tone and can sing in a low and medium register. But the problem is that she lost so much voice that she can't handle her songs from 20 or 30 years ago. She even lips the few verses she sings in Big Energy which aren't difficult. She should abandon those old songs. They will always be classics. No need to be struggling singing them and giving us cringy playbacks. She should only sing songs she can perform 100% live. By the way the beautiful duet with Monroe is prerecorded, so it's cringy to watch a kid doing playback with her mom in the middle of a "live show". If we think for a moment, there's not a single song in her concert that she does 100% live. Not a single one. Not even the few verses and first chorus of Miss You Most which also has some prerecorded parts. There are a few good vocal moments here and there during the show but that's it. I love her forever and I will support her albums and stuff in general but she's not a good live performer anymore, until she proves us wrong. |
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Toronto shows (101,786)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 12 December 2022; 11:58) | | |
| "My All" was probably the worst I've ever heard her sing. If you can call it that. |
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This is a reply to message 101,782 by
Terna from Nigeria
(Sunday 11 December 2022; 15:46) | | |
Watching the clips, [one] can tell she's really struggling to put on a "singing" show but her voice is really not having it, so she talk sings or alters the melody. I really wish Mariah would get professional help. Now she's also having lower range issues as seen in the "Emotions" and "My All" clips with the unintentional vocal breaks. Another thing I noticed is the repertoire itself isn't the best for a singer her age seeing as it was written "16 to 25 minutes ago", she's missing a lot of qualities that were there before which enabled her sing so well – [agility], fluid and seamless registers, stamina in terms of youth etc just the ease of singing she once had in [general] which was an amalgamation of all these factors and more working hand in hand. It's [sad] to see the last of the two true [divas] struggling; with Celine and her health issues and Mariah and her waning instrument.  |
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Mariah duet with Monroe (101,776)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 22:23) | | |
| Wow, Monroe's voice is lovely. Very sweet and pleasant tone she has. That was a really cute duet between them. I hope it makes it onto the next Christmas album. |
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This is a reply to message 101,772 by
Edward from USA
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 17:53) | | |
| Mariah and Monroe had a cute duet on her Christmas Show. I think Monroe can sing. |
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Mariah on Colbert (101,769)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 12:41) | | |
| It was a car crash. |
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This is a reply to message 101,768 by
enwar00 from usa
(Saturday 10 December 2022; 07:00) | | |
| I just watched it for a second time and I thought it was hilarious. Sometimes I'm glad she's just herself and puts her big eccentric dramatic personality on display. Personally I thought it was the perfect outlet for it, and their off the wall banter worked well. |
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Moet and Chandon performance (101,753)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 8 December 2022; 11:09) | | |
| At the risk of sounding positive, I do agree she sounded better at this performance than the last time I saw a live performance (Saudi Arabia). I noticed she wasn't wearing a corset so perhaps it really is a valid excuse she uses haha. |
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This is a reply to message 101,749 by
Warren from Trinidad & Tobago
(Wednesday 7 December 2022; 15:00) | | |
| Totally agree Robert. This is by no means Toyko Dome, however the confidence and ability to attempt some of what she was doing is certainly there for some reason, and its paying off. Its not like she's trying and failing. I like what I see. |
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Charmbracelet - 20 years (101,744)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 6 December 2022; 17:40) | | |
Yes, my Charmbracelet on my playlist is a heavily edited version of the album:
1. Through the Rain (radio edit)
2. The One (without rap)
3. I Know What You Want
4. Yours
5. I Only Wanted
6. Clown
7. My Saving Grace
8. Bringin' on the Heartbreak (AC version)
9. Miss You
10. Sunflowers
11. Through the Rain (remix)
My version is a bit more concise and digestible and removes the bland whisper-heavy tracks. I remember when I first listened to CB on the day of release, it was the only album of hers where I was actually frustrated half way through. By the 16th chorus of Lullaby I was like, just shut up already.
The whole era was a bit of a miss. Lyrically the album is great, I'd put it up there with Butterfly personally, but everything seemed a bit half baked. |
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This is a reply to message 101,741 by
Nick G from Germany
(Tuesday 6 December 2022; 10:50) | | |
[I] have a love-hate relationship with [Chambraclet]. As an album bad to average at best. But it was the first album after [Glitter] that made me a Mariah fan. There are many irrelevant songs on the normal version. The album is the beginning of the eternal self-copying of itself and the attempt to make Butterfly new. Only through TEOM came a fresh wind. I prefer the bonus tracks. The ideal track list looks like this:
1. Miss U
2. Boy Street Remix
3. There goes my heart
4. Lullyby
5. You had your chance
6. Got a Thing for U
7. I know what you want
8. Clown
9. My Saving Grace
10. Through the Rain
Then it would be a perfect RnB album. |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,721)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 2 December 2022; 16:55) | | |
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This is a reply to message 101,532 by
The webmaster from the Netherlands
(Monday 24 October 2022; 16:03) | | |
| I already told you Mariah would do anything for money: performing for dictators, shoes, clothes, water, hard liquor, jewelry, perfumes, candy, cookies, hostels, chips, McDonald's, bitcoins, champagne, sex toys, dating apps, etc. |
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QOC (101,720)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 2 December 2022; 14:26) | | |
| Correct. They are realistic. |
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This is a reply to message 101,715 by
Lady B from USA
(Thursday 1 December 2022; 10:23) | | |
| Amazing how few of your posts are positive. I wish you well. |
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QOC (101,709)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 30 November 2022; 14:28) | | |
It was about where on earth you got the notion she "graciously stepped aside" on the matter. That's your interpretation based on the fact her legal team didn't respond within the time limit, nowhere has that been stated. Not by Mariah, her representatives, or any publication. As always you make up little embellishments to strengthen your opinion/narrative.
What probably happened, and I am speculating here, is that Mariah's team saw all the backlash from her attempt to trademark a phrase, as virtually every publication that wrote about it saw it for the money grab it was, and realised it would be more damaging to her brand than beneficial if she were to pursue it. |
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This is a reply to message 101,706 by
Nikki from usa
(Wednesday 30 November 2022; 07:39) | | |
| Sources for the definition of trademark, Bill? Surely, you can look that up. Or did you mean for the legal process of a trademark and and objections? I'm pretty sure I specified how that works, but anyone can look that up too. It's not a story I'm referencing. I would be mind boggled if you were asking for proof of Mariah's headlines over the past decade as if she's never been called the Queen of Christmas before since you've been on this board for over 20 years. Everything else is on public record and it's not hard to search. |
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Macy's performance (101,677)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 November 2022; 20:15) | | |
| I know, I am truly so grateful I saw her during her indisputable best. It was one of the best nights of my life. Mariah was at her peak, as were her vocals, her music, her looks, her confidence, and my love for her. |
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This is a reply to message 101,676 by
MusicfanJ from Germany
(Friday 25 November 2022; 19:03) | | |
"Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer." That time was simlpy magic on stage. Almost unreal. There's a reason 95 and 96 was Mariah mania around the world.   I remember she had one concert in Germany, it was immediately sold out. If I had a time machine, I would choose that date to be part of the audience. You are really lucky to have witnessed her live during her Daydream tour. |
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Macy's performance (101,673)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 November 2022; 15:19) | | |
Who'd have thought MC would lip sync. Colour me stunned. You're looking at $150-200 for one ticket to the Christmas concert. Plus travel and hotel if you're not based in New York. If you want to pay that much to watch her lip sync, get her hair and make up fixed on stage, bemoan the lighting, stick a finger in her ear, ramble on about her ensemble, drink champagne, and bark out an off key "EH" every so often, that's your prerogative.
Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer. |
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This is a reply to message 101,669 by
Randy from USA
(Friday 25 November 2022; 04:21) | | |
| Can I just say this. Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, Ciara, JLo, Paula Abdul can lip sync without criticism. Mariah Carey who is considered one of the best vocalist of all time cannot. Patti Labelle is 99 years old. She woulda sang. I know. I know. It was outdoors, her ear monitors weren't working, it was air conditioning outside, she has nodules, her humidifiers weren't working in her sleep chamber, her background singers were too loud. The funny thing is... her lip syncing wasn't a surprise to me. The mic is a prop at this point. But y'all really excited about her Christmas concerts? It will be the best cut and paste lip sync performance in history. Kinda like the 1996 Grammys. |
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QOC (101,666)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 November 2022; 14:36) | | |
| As always, state your sources. |
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This is a reply to message 101,664 by
Nikki from usa
(Thursday 24 November 2022; 05:27) | | |
It would be nice if people who talked actually had a clue what they were talking about. Trademarks are for products and goods, not censorship. Literally, nothing would change on how anyone used the phrase. None of these women's lives would've changed. Everything would continue as it always has. Mariah didn't "lose" anything, in fact, she generously stepped aside. The objection wasn't qualifying. All Mariah had to do was respond and the trademark was hers. She chose to remain quiet. After the 3 month period lapsed the case is closed. Mariah literally gave up a name for a merch line for no other reason than someone had a problem with it and she's painted as a villain while her quote unquote fans talk about checking her morals. 
A trademark isn't a copyright. Some folks deserve some humble pie themselves. I find it interesting how many hear MC get dissed by ignorant haters and immediately take their side without question. Trademarks are for products only. It doesn't give her a "monopoly" on the holiday season. It's a product line. It doesn't change how anyone uses the expression. It only prevents others from selling other products under the phrase. It's not that deep or encompassing.
There is no current trademark on any of these things which gives Carey the right to use it. All she had to do was respond. She actually stepped aside and let the 3 month time limit lapse. She didn't "lose", there was no "battle", and she was denied for simply not bothering to respond. She let it go and she didn't have to. She's literally been called, "the Queen of Christmas" by every publication and it's uncle for the past decade. These ignorant stories do make her look bad and many of you pile on top. MC did something kind and you helped paint her as a villain. |
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QOC (101,651)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 19 November 2022; 16:18) | | |
| It's actually more a super villain move than anything. |
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This is a reply to message 101,646 by
Edward from USA
(Thursday 17 November 2022; 14:18) | | |
| There's nothing sarcastic about your post and you know it. You're backpedaling because you realized how ridiculous her attempt at monopolizing Christmas was. It's actually arrogant on her part to even think she could sequester Christmas in perpetuity. I hope she doesn't go for Hanukkah next year. |
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QOC (101,640)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 16 November 2022; 16:21) | | |
| I disagree. It was ridiculous and nothing but a money grab. She can be called it (and will be) but she has no business owning the rights to it. Absolutely abhorrent. |
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This is a reply to message 101,639 by
Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Wednesday 16 November 2022; 05:23) | | |
| She deserves the trade mark, but whatever. Even Queen Dolly confirmed it's her title. Anyone else who calls themselves as the QOC, will be questioned, "Who are you?" |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,545)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 25 October 2022; 19:43) | | |
Quite. She is the Olympian who can no longer compete. She's spent the best part of 30 years telling anyone who'd listen that she's a songwriter first and prefers songwriting to singing. Well, she may have squandered her vocal gift God gave her, but she still has her songwriting talent. Just hang up the malfunctioning ear piece once and for all and retire with some dignity.
You all have no idea how much it pains me to write this. But I think this may be the last straw for me. I will love her forever, but I cannot enable this anymore. |
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This is a reply to message 101,544 by
"MariahHater" from Hell
(Tuesday 25 October 2022; 17:38) | | |
| She is clearly struggling. I'm moved to tears by her performance as she holds on to dear life. We don't know what is going on with her voice and what she ia doing to get a hold of whatever notes left in her chords. As if she pushes whatever ounce of power she have to give a performance. It reminds me of Whitney's live tour in Milano, 2010, where she was about to sing I Will Always Love You. People respected and admired her courage to sing even though she cannot anymore. Not to be critical, but compassionate. Honestly, I want to see hear her in full beast mode but yeah I guess we can only stick with the 00s and good ol albums to hear her pristine. Lastly, she seems to be masking the truth on her performing capabilities by her antics, sad truth but I really pity her. Imagine a runner having their legs cut off? That's her and the voice. |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,528)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 24 October 2022; 13:24) | | |
| Quite. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I could have sang better than Mariah did. Honestly. That is what is really worrying. Someone whose voice was completely untouchable, and as Tommy said when he discovered her, "she is the best singer I have ever heard", to actually being one of the worst singers still performing, is almost incredible. It's so sad to witness. She can live off AIWFCIY's annual royalties, so why does she need the "money grab"? Retire from singing and write songs for others and focus on your other projects. The dolls have stopped dancing now. |
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This is a reply to message 101,527 by
ADAM from USA
(Monday 24 October 2022; 10:27) | | |
| I think Mariah does it for the money grab. She has proven time and time again to always get the money. Record deals that were ill advised to constant touring all throughout the year. I guess once poor, it always affects your choices in life. She really is doing a disservice to her legacy by the terrible performances. Makes my throat hurt just watching her struggle. She sounds like a completely different artist that what she sold the public. She'll never address the core issue with the public so might as well collect the money bags so her kids can live in opulence. |
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Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,523)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 24 October 2022; 00:20) | | |
| I've seen most of the clips. My All was particularly bad as she lipped the chorus and, of course, carried on miming when they playback stopped and had to awkwardly start singing. It was an embarrassment, and a disaster. None of Mariah's peers or anyone of her status would have done such a performance. Frankly I don't really know why she bothers. She has her money, she has her legacy, she has her records. Why put herself, and us, through these dreadful performances time and time again. |
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This is a reply to message 101,518 by
Randy from USA
(Sunday 23 October 2022; 14:05) | | |
| Because I'm an MC fan a lot of things come across my social media. She is struggling through this performance. She needs to give Vision of Love a rest. |
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Soundtracks (101,495)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13) | | |
| I thought I was wrong once but turns out I was mistaken. |
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This is a reply to message 101,491 by
jaker20 from US
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 00:41) | | |
It's ok to say you're wrong, you know.  |
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Soundtracks (101,494)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 20 October 2022; 08:13) | | |
I think I prefer Rainbow because I think it's stronger melodically. So Heartbreaker and the remix are great, and I sort of directly compare them against Loverboy and the remix. I also think CTTA, Bliss, After Tonight, Petals and the Interlude are beautiful ballads. With Glitter I love Lead the Way but don't think Reflections and Twister are as strong as the Rainbow ballads. I agree Glitter is more cohesive, and as much as I adore If We and Don't Stop, I feel Mariah needed to be on those songs more than just singing the hook.
I also have to state that in respect of her albums, my top albums of all time are all hers, then the list goes into other artists. This is why she's my favourite. |
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This is a reply to message 101,490 by
Matty from Vancouver Canada
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 23:26) | | |
Bill, I absolutely agree with your point about "I'll be Lovin' u Long Time". That song is unbelievable and I'm shocked it didn't go to the top 5 (#58 on Billboard wasn't enough appreciation for such a jam). But to say Glitter wasn't as good as Rainbow is beyond offensive. I don't like Music Box, but I can understand its mastery. Glitter was a masterpiece, a far superior album to Rainbow IMO. Rainbow was a marketing and PR success, the actual music...  It's such a hard album to listen start to finish. Most of Mariah's albums I can only listen start to finish. Rainbow and MIAMTEC are the two albums I feel have no flow or smoothness. They are a mish-mash of songs that don't flow or have a vibe imo.
Emotions, Butterfly, MOAIA and Caution are the most vibe centric albums, listen start to finish albums Mimi has produced. |
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Soundtracks (101,489)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 22:23) | | |
| You still don't get it, but that's cool. |
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This is a reply to message 101,488 by
jaker20 from US
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 17:25) | | |
You're going in circles my dear, because I caught you backpeddaling. Take a deep breath, it's not personal. Anyway, at least you finally open mind a little? When you say you want her to do jazz and gospel, great. Now we're going somewhere. See, that's easy to do, I don't randomly shoot down ideas.
Because, at this stage of her career, she should be free to do anything, specially areas where the potential is limitless (soundtracks). It's a genre that doesn't have many biases, and doesn't have as much time constraints.
She can whip up a song, or something that's already on her vault, and not be burdened releasing a full album.
Is that "spending her remaining years"? Don't be dramatic hon. Rihanna, who is basically retired, recorded something for Black Panther. Many artists wrote soundtrack songs long after their peaks, then gets Oscar nominated even though no one heard them.
In the end, you need to let go of many of your biases as to what success means. She is 50, an icon, a legend. She should do whatever she wants. For herself. If she touches even just one person, it will be worth it. |
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Soundtracks (101,487)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 19 October 2022; 08:53) | | |
Okay so you still don't get the point. My personal opinion of what material is good doesn't mean it translates to success or is the right move. For example I always thought I'll Be Loving You Long Time was the best song on E=MC2, but it bombed when it was released. I stand by what I said, sorry you didn't understand. To make it a bit clearer, Glitter's a great album as I said, but the debut, Emotions, Unplugged, Music Box, Merry Christmas, Daydream, Butterfly, Rainbow, Emancipation and Caution are all better. Right to Dream is heartfelt, but Vanishing, Love Takes Time, Till the End of Time, The Wind, I'll Be There, Never Forget You, I Am Free, Looking In, Butterfly, My All, Whenever You Call, Outside, I Still Believe, Can't Take That Away, After Tonight, Petals, My Saving Grace, Sunflowers, Mine Again, We Belong Together, Circles, For the Record, Bye Bye, I Stay In Love, Cry, I Want to Know What Love Is and Portrait are moreso. When You Believe is a fine duet but I'll Be There, Endless Love and One Sweet Day are miles better.
I've always been open minded about Mariah doing something new and different. Soundtracks have been done with not much success, either chart wise or with the fan base. If you think Mariah's remaining years are best spent on songs like Infamous and Almost Home, which connected with nobody and did nothing for their associated projects, then great. I've long advocated for her to do a jazz or gospel album as that is unexplored territory, something fresh and different, and something that may suit her current voice (jazz).
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This is a reply to message 101,484 by
jaker20 from US
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 18:42) | | |
What a weird post. You are literally saying she shouldn't do it because its "not her strong point" in spite of you praising their quality just a post prior. Read your posts again. Lets see, Tennessee. Great song. But didn't go anywhere. Therefore, she shouldn't do it again? And now you're saying Celine did it better. So what? Therefore she shouldn't do it? Im not even sure you realize how weird you sound.
I will stick by what I said. Your judgement on Mariah is clouded by these success metrics that you can't even consistently articulate. At this point in her career, you should be more open minded and loosen up from what she's done in the past instead shooting down ideas.
No one said soundtracks was Mary J. Blige and Beyonce's forte, but that got them nominated for Mighty River and Be Alive long after their pop star peaks. All it took was them doing it.
Soundtrack are just songs made for movies. They also take a journey of luck and unexpected results when it goes out to the public. It's also a space that doesn't discriminate based on age and style.
Mariah's done it well before, and I'm confident she can do it again.
"Never ever listen to anybody who try to discourage you, they do that. Believe me." |
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Soundtracks (101,482)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 14:45) | | |
I don't care whether Mariah's music charts or not, so long as it's good. In the UK she only has had three number ones, two of them covers. I'm not used to her dominating the charts like in the US.
My point, which you missed, was that soundtracks aren't her speciality nor her strong point. Let me (gasp) compare her efforts to Celine Dion's. Beauty and the Beast, When I Fall In Love (Sleepless In Seattle), Because You Loved Me (Up Close and Personal), and My Heart Will Go On (Titanic) were all huge internationally successful songs. If you have Celine on your soundtrack it is likely to do well, Mariah, maybe not.
Mariah's strengths lie elsewhere was the point. Sometimes it seems like you look for things that aren't even there just to cause friction. |
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This is a reply to message 101,480 by
jaker20 from US
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 04:22) | | |
So you yourself call Tennesse being "heartfelt and unique" and Glitter a "great album and great concept", but because they didn't chart well, you devalue the whole effort like they're worthless. Arts not charts. Move on. When I say lambs are chart-obsessed your post is a great example yet again.
And When You Believe is a great iconic song. It's also one of Mariah's most streamed songs, consistently in her top 5-i, beating most of her "hits". The disrespect some of you have on her "non hit songs" is gross. |
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Soundtracks (101,479)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 18 October 2022; 01:44) | | |
Let's look at Mariah's track record with soundtracks to bring this back down to earth:
1. When You Believe with Whitney. Two biggest voices on the planet came together yet didn't make the top 20 of the US charts. A moderate hit elsewhere, but not the tour de force people may have expected.
2. Glitter. I probably don't need to elaborate on this. A great album, a great concept, but the execution was a disaster.
3. Tennessee. Sorry Randy but Right to Dream didn't go anywhere sadly, despite it being quite a heartfelt and unique offering in Mariah's catalogue.
4. Almost Home. Mariah didn't even write this one from memory. It didn't feature in the film and was stuck on the very end of the closing credits.
5. Infamous. Just no, I've played that song 2 and a half times and I never want to hear it again. |
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This is a reply to message 101,478 by
jaker20 from US
(Monday 17 October 2022; 21:52) | | |
| What I want Mariah to do is record soundtrack songs. Because that area is accepting to any artists, any age, any style. And its exposure has more unpredictable results thats doesn't depend on her promoting it, which lets face it, she doesn't do much anymore. Soundtracks have a life of its own. She's been in the industry for along time, and I had hoped that she's connected with many artists to jump into soundtracks of different movies. |
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Mariah Carey appreciation (101,470)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 17 October 2022; 12:40) | | |
I agree the Butterfly 25 celebrations have been good. The bonus material could have been better but was good to see The Roof with Brandy have a home and the new remixes. Also the vinyl edition of the album looks superb.
What I don't agree with though is the comparison against Michael Jordan. Michael doesn't pretend that he can still play his sport like he used to, and retired gracefully with a string of accomplishments behind him. Mariah continues on the facade with pre-records, lip syncing, background singers masking and then the excuses when these performances inevitably collapse around her. That's what annoys some of the fan base and why we are imploring her to head in a direction that suits her current voice, or at least retire from performing and become a studio artist.
I ask myself, years from now, will people remember Vision of Love on GMA, America the Beautiful at the NBA finals, If It's Over at SNL, or will it be the mix feed of AIWFCIY and the NYE disaster?
Time will tell. |
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This is a reply to message 101,469 by
Steven Berning from USA
(Monday 17 October 2022; 09:41) | | |
I have loved the Butterfly25 celebration, and seeing Janet's The Velvet Rope25 celebration has got me really feeling additional appreciation for Miss Mariah. Us hardcore fans can be so loving, but also so critical of our fave. We can hold our fave to such demandingly high standards. We say things like, "Why does Mariah do this? Why doesn't Mariah do that? Why can't Mariah sing like she did when she was 19, 25, 30, 35?" Does anyone ask Michael Jordan why he doesn't dunk like he used to, before he retired at 40? But, I digress.
For Butterfly25 Mariah gave us: a mini documentary, two new remixes, two acapella versions, a diamond collection, promo photoshoots for the diamond collection, a duet with a beloved and nostalgic R&B legend, updated music videos, a televised and well-promoted concert performance with a new song mash-up, merchandise, live performances on both streaming and YouTube, interviews with high profile publications like Vanity Fair, etc.
My point, simply comparing to Janet's 25-re-release, Mariah has given us a super respectable and super fun mini-era. No shade to Janet, rather a cause for celebration and appreciation of our queen, Miss Mariah. As much as some folks on this board like to think that she does not work for us, you are wrong, she puts in a ton of work. |
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