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Name: Bill
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Re: One offs compilation album? (99,688) (99,689) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 11 February 2022; 15:54)
The thing was Triumphant was that the arrangement was all wrong. It's a great track, I love the driving beat and the optimistic message, but Mariah didn't appear until the third verse, and it was almost like she was a featured artist on a track she supposedly headlined. I remember when it debuted everyone was waiting around for her to appear on stage, it was just bizarre. I think this is why a lot of fans have a preference for the Vintage Throwback remix which puts Mariah front and centre, where she belongs.
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Re: Caution plus (99,678) (99,679) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 9 February 2022; 23:22)
Caution plus:

1. Make It Look Good
2. With You
3. You Don't Know What to Do
4. Faded
5. Beautiful
6. The Distance
7. Giving Me Life
8. One Mo' Gen
9. Stay Long Love You
10. Unforgettable
11. Money
12. GTFO (Instrumental)
13. Portrait
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Re: I wonder (99,669) (99,671) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 8 February 2022; 20:51)
What do you think MC16 is going to be like, sonically? Are you thinking an updated Caution, slick R&B with in producers? Or do you think she'll surprise us with either a gospel or jazz album, or will the next release be The Butterfly Lounge? Reworkings of her classic in the style of WBT Valentine's?
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Re: I wonder (99,663) (99,666) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 February 2022; 16:19)
Don't go Bobby A because of one nasty individual. We all love you.
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Re: And You Don't Remember (99,662) (99,665) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 February 2022; 16:18)
It was originally slated as the 4th single from Emotions but was shelved when I'll Be There took off.
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Re: Nick's sorted relationship history (99,656) (99,657) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 6 February 2022; 17:00)
It's more that I didn't think such a reaction was really that warranted. Let's just take a step back.
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Re: Nick's sorted relationship history (99,653) (99,654) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 6 February 2022; 13:26)
You're getting a bit much PW. I get what you're saying but people are allowed to express an opinion or concern about somebody if they want to. If you don't like the way they've projected their thoughts, then so be it. You've not been appointed by anyone here, as far as I know, to determine what's acceptable and what isn't on this message board.

So anyway I'm playing the Butterfly remix EP. Love the bossa nova, even though it isn't one.
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Re: Mariah cover songs (99,637) (99,642) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 5 February 2022; 19:05)
Open Arms was released in the UK and got to Number 4. The Wind is technically a remake, but the original was an instrumental, Mariah added lyrics.
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Lusty McListface (99,629) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 4 February 2022; 21:45)
Best background vocals:

Underneath the Stars - The acapella revealed so many more layers than you can hear on the album version. I adore the "young love" and the harmonies on the bridge.

Never Forget You - Babyface and Mariah's vocals melding together just sounds divine. I love the arrangement of the backings on this song, and the "ohs" after the beats on the chorus.

Can't Let Go - If only for the harmonising with that final upper register "go". I also love the backgrounds during the bridge, they're so dramatic.

Slipping Away - As the song enters its outro, and the bridge and the chorus are blended together over Mariah's as libs - wow.

Vision of Love - The first and fairest of them all. Love that she kept the demo vocals in for posterity, and the first ever high note of hers the world would hear.
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Re: Nick's sorted relationship history (99,622) (99,623) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 4 February 2022; 10:50)
The thing is Nick and his acquaintances are all adults, they can make their own choices. It is however the children I feel sorry for, and it does also somewhat cheapen and weaken the union he had with Mariah.
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Re: Mariah and Celine (99,609) (99,610) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 2 February 2022; 21:06)
Sorry, but those clips you posted are not one take wonders. Don't get het up over it, there are plenty of amazing one take performances 1990-1995 you can choose. Just look at If It's Over at SNL/Grammy's, the Tattoo Club performances, even the raw and original Unplugged sounds good. Her TOTP performances in the early 90s were all live, as the show insisted upon it, and they were all great. I even love the entire-octave-lower Emotions performance where she was incredibly ill (as per her interview on Lorraine the following day). So yeh you're wrong but don't worry about it my love.
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Re: Underated? (99,600) (99,605) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 2 February 2022; 14:52)
Vanishing was written with Ben Margulies. So far, the only self-penned song of Mariah's is the Vulnerability interlude on Rainbow.
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Re: Mariah and Celine (99,593) (99,597) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 February 2022; 20:04)
I don't wish to rain on your parade but literally all those performances you listed were either pre-recorded or dubbed. The only full, genuine end to end live performances happened from debut through to Merry Christmas. All the home concert videos were dubbed and touched up in the studios, and from Daydream onwards performances started to incorporate lip syncing and pre-recorded vocals. Sorry.
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Re: Mariah and Celine (99,588) (99,596) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 February 2022; 16:08)
You're right. Puff said as well that she recorded 50 takes of Honey so he could select the best parts for the track, and many others have said that is a "perfectionist" in the studio, which is probably a polite way of saying she's a control freak lol.
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Re: Underated? (99,592) (99,595) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 February 2022; 16:07)
Yes I agree on the one dimensional aspect. It's probably due to Celine approaching most of her songs in the same manner. Mariah always varies her vocal approach, as well as the song itself. My Saving Grace, a gospel tinged song with great uplifting vocals, followed on from Clown, a low, slow R&B diss track. You wouldn't get that versatility on many other singers' albums.
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Re: Mariah and Celine (99,578) (99,584) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 February 2022; 09:48)
You forgot these:
- nodules
- corset too tight
- bronchitis
- in the middle of divorce proceedings
- arm in jewel-encrusted sling
- has nothing to prove
- no humidifier
- too many splashes beforehand
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Re: Underated? (99,572) (99,573) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 31 January 2022; 22:05)
After how she spoke about her in her memoir over ArethaGate, I doubt it
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Re: Underated? (99,570) (99,571) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 31 January 2022; 21:00)
Yes, in spite of how people may feel about Celine and her music, nobody can really say she's a bad singer. You may not like her delivery or style, but she is a very talented and intelligent vocalist.

I find her music a bit "samey", but I did have the Falling Into You album and agree it is a great album, especially the title track.
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Re: Rarities 2 (99,535) (99,545) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 26 January 2022; 10:05)
Lose Control lore is all here for you my dear. Great website.
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Re: Your relationship with the Number Ones, today (99,533) (99,542) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 26 January 2022; 08:42)
As much as I love AIWFCIY I know what you mean. One of the AC radio stations here in the UK took to playing O Holy Night instead and it sounds divine on the radio.
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Re: Rarities 2 (99,532) (99,541) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 26 January 2022; 08:18)
Yes, ages ago I think the producer (I forget who) released it unofficially on his MySpace or something, and charged everyone a dollar for it. Mariah went nuts because they never got clearance for the sample, and it also wasn't a finished, final version either. It was a massive drama at the time.
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Re: Rarities 2 (99,531) (99,540) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 26 January 2022; 08:16)
Lol, every time she posts a picture in the studio we go mad and start complaining because it's usually with JD and a glass of wine. Perhaps she's learnt her lesson hah.
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Re: Rarities 2 (99,525) (99,529) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 25 January 2022; 18:29)
Ever since Narada Michael Walden said he found the masters for Lose Control, a song they wrote together for the debut, I've been desperate to hear it. I need more debut vocals in my life. Here We Go Around Again was a true gift from heaven.
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Re: Your relationship with the Number Ones, today (99,524) (99,528) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 25 January 2022; 18:27)
Always here for a list.

Vision of Love - Always play it, and it's just a joyous and perfect as when I first heard it. Perfection.
Love Takes Time - I rarely play this but always enjoy it when I do.
Someday - One of my jams. I also hate that Mariah hates it. I love all the remixes and play them often.
I Don't Wanna Cry - Always skip, never listen to it.
Emotions - Love this so much and play it a few times a week.
I'll Be There - Always play this as I always play Unplugged. Fantastic performance.
Dreamlover - Play at least once a week, love it to death.
Hero - Rarely play it, usually skip, but when the mood takes me, I love it.
Without You - UK Addition - Love it and always play this. If only for the nostalgia.
Fantasy - Album version always, remix version not much.
One Sweet Day - Not much, and when I do, it's either the Chucky or Acapella version.
Always Be My Baby - Love to death and always play.
Honey - As above.
My All - Agree that the album, club and rap mixes are all sublime.
Heartbreaker - Rarely play either version.
Thank God I Found You - As above.
Against All Odds - UK Addition - As above.
We Belong Together - Play occasionally, always been indifferent to it.
Don't Forget About Us - Rarely play it.
Touch My Body - As above.
All I Want for Christmas Is You - Her best song ever.
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Re: Where is everybody? (99,521) (99,523) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 25 January 2022; 07:34)
There's not much going on really in "Mariah's World" to fuel conversation. Rarities 2 is needed ASAP.
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