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Re: Full of grace (101,454) (101,459)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 15 October 2022; 20:27) | | |
| For me, it's the imperfections you mention that make the performance that much more endearing. I think it's one of her best. |
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This is a reply to message 101,454 by
Geronimo from USA
(Saturday 15 October 2022; 03:09) | | |
I'm not sure if this is quite accurate, Terna. In the first minute of this song I think her anxiety and insecurity shows through her neurotic melodic phrasing. None of the phrases that she sings in the first minute have an intelligent melodic ending that gives her interpretation of the lines any character or definition. There's a lot of unnecessary and noncommittal melisma that she would probably avoid were she's not so anxious. There is a kind of hackneyed parallelism to the last word of each sentence that gets really annoying and you can tell she's making these decisions at the last minute when there's nowhere else to go vocally. This has always bothering me about some of her performances during that period.
I think with some of the resonance that she used to have - that smooth, buttery and broad vibrato - having vanished into thin air, she just tatters the end of each sentence with a bunch of unnecessary predictable filagree. I think the transition to "somewhere over the rainbow" is quite unique and I think it works really well. But, I also think she planned it in advance - which, of course, is a good thing. Overall, though, I like the texture and flexibility of her voice in this performance, but her judgment about vocal silence and motion is off and completely makes me anxious while watching this performance. |
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Re: What MC albums have you never bought? (101,438) (101,444)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 12 October 2022; 21:07) | | |
| The only album I've never purchased is the Magical Christmas soundtrack. I have everything else, including compilations. If it was released in the UK (any format), I have it. |
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This is a reply to message 101,438 by
Randy from USA
(Wednesday 12 October 2022; 01:53) | | |
| I thought about this the other day. I do not have #1s to Infinity, even though I bought the Infinity single. I also never bought The Ballads. Are the liner notes to either worth the purchase? What MC albums have you never bought? |
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Re: Just a thought, let's be kind (101,409) (101,410)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 5 October 2022; 23:49) | | |
| The best way to address would be an album, sung in a voice without any studio trickery, lamenting the loss of her voice. It would be incredibly powerful and poignant and could either be her curtain call or the beginning of a new era. You don't have to have more octaves than a grand piano and embellish every line to be a great singer. Look at Karen Carpenter. The beautiful thing about her voice was its simplicity. |
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Re: Just another Side Effects (101,395) (101,396)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 16:44) | | |
| It's funny you say that, Joni Mitchell had a greatest hits album called Hits, but she insisted it could only be issued if a sister album, Misses, was also released at the same time. Misses contained all her flops haha. |
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Re: Just another Side Effects (101,391) (101,394)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 4 October 2022; 12:38) | | |
Mariah fans: Wow, Crapfinity was really terrible. I think this is the most awful thing Mariah's ever done, she can't possibly come up with anything worse.
Why You Mad has entered the chat. |
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Re: Variety article - L.A Reid (101,337) (101,351)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 27 September 2022; 19:41) | | |
I've never understood why everybody seems to fall at LA Reid's feet and act like he's the second coming of Christ. He treated Toni Braxton appallingly and had one decent record with Mariah (Emancipation). Mariah has managed many hit albums without his input or management.
With Emancipation, Mariah herself was hungry to be back at the top of the charts, and without her drive and passion for the project, it would not have been the success it was. Also, the public I think wanted to see her return to where she belonged, as she was due it after the unfair treatment she got for her mental well-being and the lackluster response to CB.
E=MC2 was Emancipation's second verse. Cruise Control indeed. "The Voice" that was all over the previous album was scaled back in exchange for rapid staccato singing and party songs, and Mariah herself lost interest after Touch My Body following her marriage to Nick.
As for Memoirs, handing the production of the entire album to The Dream was an error as the album sounded like one, long, continuous song. By track 11 it's like, enough with the finger snaps already.
I'd rather Mariah work with somebody totally new and different and interesting. But what do I know? As always, I wish her every success and happiness with her new projects and if LA Reid pulls it out the bag, then great.
So funny though. Everyone was baying for his blood when he started working with J.Lo. How quickly the tide turns. |
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Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,346)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 27 September 2022; 15:05) | | |
For anybody keen on obtaining this, Vinyl Me Please are taking pre-orders for the second edition of the vinyl, following the first edition selling out immediately. Mariah's official store has sold out of both editions, but the second edition is still available on VMP at the time of writing. Different coloured vinyl this time round (beige instead of honey, looks better in my mind).  |
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Re: Release Honey music video in that color (101,273) (101,274)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 20 September 2022; 12:42) | | |
| It did look equally as good, but the sepia filter was very "Butterfly", what with the album palette and Mariah's earth tone look back then. |
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Re: Breakdown rediscovered (101,261) (101,264)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 19 September 2022; 00:01) | | |
| I think Breakdown will go down in history as one of the biggest regrets of Mariah's career. The song was ground breaking at the time, the video was brilliant, and nothing like it had come before it. I genuinely believe it would have been a #1 in the US if it had been given its shot. Mariah would have got behind it and promoted the hell out of it. Glad you're seeing it in a new light now Terna. As I live through different experiences so many Mariah songs end up meaning more, Breakdown no exception. |
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Honey: The Remixes (101,257)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 18 September 2022; 15:23) | | |
| The double LP of Honey is available to pre-order from Urban Outfitters on honey coloured vinyl (exclusive). It contains the same tracks as the MC30 EP and sadly, not the new Morales remix. |
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Re: If Butterfly single was released (101,240) (101,241)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 17 September 2022; 13:32) | | |
| Mariah said the record company didn't want her "streak" of number ones to end (though it technically ended with Can't Let Go), but presumably they meant from Fantasy onwards. There was no way anything was gonna budge Candle In the Wind from the top, which is probably why it never got released in the US. It was released commercially virtually everywhere else, and didn't chart that well considering her popularity at the time, so perhaps that was why it never got a commercial single in the US. |
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Re: Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,230) (101,231)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 September 2022; 17:18) | | |
| Wow, it's already sold out. Wasn't even up an hour. I hope they press another batch. |
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Butterfly 25th anniversary vinyl (101,230)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 16 September 2022; 16:57) | | |
Vinyl Me Please has an exclusive edition of the vinyl in golden nugget colour, with some golden embossing on the sleeves. They have the extra LPs as having the following tracks:
LP3A:
Honey (So So Def Mix)
My All/Stay Awhile (So So Def Mix)
The Roof (Mobb Deep Extended Version)
Butterfly (Classic Bossa Nova)
LP3B:
Honey (Bad Boy Remix)
The Roof (Full Crew Mix)
Butterfly (Meme Club Radio)
Whenever You Call (with Brian)
Mi Todo
LP4A:
Honey (Def Club Mix)
Fly Away (Fly Away Club Mix)
My All (Morales Classic Club Mix)
LP4B:
Honey (Classic Mix)
Fly Away (Def B Fly Mix)
The Roof (Morales Funky Club Mix) |
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Re: Mariah's age (101,190) (101,192)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 14 September 2022; 09:11) | | |
| She also said her marriage to Tommy was great yet she spent her honeymoon propping up a beach bar in tears. |
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Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,179) (101,182)
by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 11 September 2022; 12:27) | | |
| The fact Caution was so well received should have made Mariah realise people don't always need to vocal acrobatics with her, especially as she can no longer replicate them live. I was listening to some old Julie London tracks (a jazz singer from years back), and her slow, smooth, sultry delivery would suit Mariah's current voice perfectly. An album sung like that would be a great addition to her catalogue. Rather than the same old tired formulaic R&B she's been doing since Bfly. |
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Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,171) (101,173)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 10 September 2022; 14:10) | | |
| Hmmm. I'd rather have demos and unreleased material from 1997 over re-recorded stuff. Every song she has re-recorded has been inferior to the original. |
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Butterfly 25 (101,166)
by Bill from the UK
(Friday 9 September 2022; 19:39) | | |
| MC just tweeted "one week to go" with some butterfly emojis, so presumably there is something coming for the anniversary. |
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Re: Not Mystical now (101,159) (101,161)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 8 September 2022; 08:46) | | |
| It's down to the individual I suppose as to whether they choose to carry on listening to artists like that. With R. Kelly it was easy for me as I never cared for him or his music to begin with. I thought the Betcha Gon' Know duet was awful and ruined a great song. His ballads were all the same and his voice wasn't particularly good. The only song he ever did that I didn't turn the dial on was Ignition Remix. As for Mystikal, it's the same. Never really rated him and think Don't Stop is somewhat ruined with him barking at me to shake my ass every five seconds. |
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,156) (101,157)
by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 7 September 2022; 20:00) | | |
| Indeed, and I do see The Roof, Dreamlover, even ABMB as ballads in a way and don't dispute their inclusion on the compilation. All I Want for Christmas Is You (UK and Japanese editions) and How Much though? I also don't think Mariah had much creative oversight over the compilation either, as even the new version of Hero used to promote the album wasn't included (thank God). Even stranger was the iTunes bonus tracks - David Morales club mixes? Bizarre. |
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,147) (101,150)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 6 September 2022; 13:55) | | |
Yes, what you say makes sense in some ways, but then are How Much and the remix of TGIFY a representation of the ballads from Rainbow? When you have CTTA, After Tonight, Petals etc. that better fit the definition. Petals would have been a great showcase as it's a different type of ballad to the overwrought Carey/Afanasieff collabs from everything before.
What I'm trying to say is that I get there are the traditional ballads and the mid-tempo ballads and the different types of ballads. But is How Much a ballad? |
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,142) (101,143)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 5 September 2022; 15:30) | | |
| Seal's first two albums were brilliant, I still play them today. As for Toni, I'm a big fan as well. Her voice is spectacular, and her debut album and Secrets I still play quite often. I love "Let It Flow" from Secrets, and "Breathe Again" from the debut. |
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Re: The Ballads compilation (101,130) (101,131)
by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 3 September 2022; 12:39) | | |
Yes I agree. Much like The Remixes before it, The Ballads was a missed opportunity in a lot of ways. Of all the markets it was released in, Japan had the best tracklisting:
1. Hero
2. One sweet day
3. Endless love
4. Can't take that away
5. Open arms
6. Reflections
7. Butterfly
8. Love takes time
9. My all
10. Without you
11. Always be my baby
12. Vision of love
13. Can't let go
14. Anytime you need a friend
15. Thank God I found you (Make it last)
16. I'll be there
17. I still believe
18. Never too far
19. All I want for Christmas is you
So it had a number of the tracks you listed and removed some of the less ballad-y type songs. I get it probably had to have a certain hit-to-album track ratio, but I can't believe deep cuts like Vanishing, Till the End of Time, All I've Ever Wanted, Outside, Whenever You Call etc. didn't get a look in.
To the same degree The Remixes second disc annoys me, especially when towards the end it seems they gave up and just put on album tracks like Sweetheart and Crybaby rather than including something really rare like the Drifting Remix of Underneath the Stars or the club mixes for DYKWYGT etc. (This was before the EPs of course and would have been a good incentive to pick up the compilation.)
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Re: Endless Love (101,114) (101,121)
by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 1 September 2022; 21:43) | | |
Endless Love is divine. For me, it beats out the original by miles. Lionel and Diana's version is nice, but both Luther and Mariah are superior singers and their voices are so rich and soulful and gel together so perfectly. Like a full bodied wine.
The live version in London is one of Mariah's best ever performances. I'm lucky to have the promo CD with that version on it. They also sang it live on Top of the Pops as well together. They sang a shorter version but it was still great.
The video is also one of my faves. The warm hues, Mariah looks so great, and I love her "studio" videos (except Infamous of course).
Just a beautiful song, sang wonderfully by both of them. |
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Re: Butterfly 25 (101,102) (101,103)
by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 30 August 2022; 14:18) | | |
| Yep, I really hope it is true, or at least some of it (the Allure demos). And I think irrespective of when someone became a Mariah fan, we all recognise how important Butterfly is to Mariah and what the album represents in terms of her growth as both a person and artist. |
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Butterfly 25 (101,085)
by Bill from the UK
(Monday 29 August 2022; 11:45) | | |
Hi you all. Here's the rumoured tracklisting for the Butterfly 25th anniversary. One thing to note, David Morales said recently an old remix he did for Mariah is coming out soon, so it correlates with the Morales mix for Breakdown listed. If this tracklisting turns out to be true I will be over the moon.
1. Last Chance 4:22
2. Don't Go Looking for Love 3:16
3. After We Said Goodbye 6:12
4. All Cried Out 4:35
5. Make You Happy 4:59
6. Head Over Heels 4:10
7. Lead the Way (1996 demo) 4:18
8. The Roof (Original Version) 7:10
9. Honey (Demo 1) 5:32
10. Honey (Demo 2) 4:36
11. Breakdown (Morales Club Mix) 8:19
12. Fourth of July (Alternative Vocal Take) 4:19
13. Close My Eyes (Acoustic) 3:21
14. The Roof (When I Feel the Need) (feat. Brandy) 5:08
15. Breakdown (featuring Halle Bailey) |
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