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The Rarities album (96,224) by Ethan from United States The PR team should have released the Tokyo Dome concert as a digital format and on YouTube during the #MC30 Friday instead of including it in the The Rarities. Imagine streaming 150 minutes versus 30 minutes of music these days? Obviously, you won't get many rotations in 24 hours, 7 days a week. Thus, Mariah could have squeezed in 3 more songs, such as There For Me, Runway, Skydiving, etc. to enhance The Rarities and increase its sales/streams. What a missed opportunity. P.S. Did anyone see the typo in TMOMC saying I'll Be There is the 5th #1? Even Mariah lost rack of her own #1s. It's her 6th. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 22:01)

The Rarities (Deluxe) (95,485) by Ethan from United States I hope there's a deluxe version for 2-3 more songs. There's space left on the first CD to include Runway, which is perfectly fitting to follow by Save The Day (2020) with its lyrics and message. And the bonus track is Where are you Christmas? to lead up to Christmas 2020. How fitting is that with everything has happened this year? It's only wishful thinking but I do hope Mariah's Team will go back and add at least those 2 songs. (Friday 11 September 2020; 06:28)

Save The Day (Remix) (95,156) by Ethan from United States How about having Lauryn Hill rap/sing a verse on it before/after the "La la la" part? I do hope the team already has that idea and it's in the works. (Sunday 23 August 2020; 21:28)

The Rarities (95,086) by Ethan from United States Based on the Wiki page, we can assume that there won't be the following songs: 1. Where are you Christmas? 2. Do you know where you're going to? (I'm glad it's not included) 3. A Diane Warren co-written song (rumored to be a power ballad) If it's in chronological order, then track 6 might be from the Daydream era that didn't make the cut since Always Be My Baby was such a strong song. Probably a R&B/Pop type of song. I think track 15 is a powerful ballad and might be one of the last songs they worked on just like how she saved Lead The Way in the 90s for the Glitter soundtrack. I was hoping for a song from Babyface since Never Forget You and Melt Away are instant hits at first listen. Maybe there's still on in the vault somewhere. But based on the length listed on the Wiki page, you guys might be right about some of the songs on the album. (Friday 21 August 2020; 19:27)

Re: Walter A. gets really candid (91,775) (91,793) by Ethan from United States Honestly, I think she's been standing up to claim a lot of songs she co-wrote his Walter A. are hers because she already had the music in her head and lyrics on paper. Yes, there are some songs that they sat down and collaborated together and such. But I think for AIWFCIY and Hero are some of the songs she went for a walk or into a room and those melodies and lyrics came to her. Because she's not a trained pianist so she needs someone to play the melodies she heard so that they could write the music notes. Recently, she seems to be amicable with him by mentioning his name in the Genius and Amazon Music interviews. To me, that was very surprising. They don't talk to each other anymore but it's a chapter that she's closed and moved on. To say that he's under Sony and there's no other alternative is somewhat hard to believe. It was his or Tommy's choice. Mariah still made #1s and Rainbow under Sony/Colombia. Unless Mariah explicitly said no to working with any producers that had an exclusive contract with Sony. Thus, I can see she continued to work with Babyface, Jermaine Dupri, and then recruited Jimmy James & Terry Lewis, and others. (Thursday 19 December 2019; 21:22)

Proceed with caution (5): AIWFCIY at #1 (91,347) by Ethan from United States It is now or never. The lambs must make this song #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, otherwise, this is the only decade since the 90s that Mariah does not have a #1 song. All the 18 #1s are in the 90s (15) and 00s (3). I believe Cher is the only artist to have a #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for 4 consecutive decades: 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s (with Believe). However, if it reaches #1, will the chart be published in January 2020? Then, it will be counted in the next decade. What is the technicality here? Please make my wish come true. All I want for Christmas is seeing AIWFCIY tops the Billboard Hot 100. Then, Mariah will have another 10 years until 2029 to get at least one more #1 to tie with The Beatles. (Thursday 14 November 2019; 09:18)

Re: Proceed with caution (4): let's get to work (89,174) (89,176) by Ethan from United States I thought so too until I looked it up and it was for Up. So she has 3 consecutive albums certified Diamond - the first for any artist. (Saturday 13 April 2019; 19:54)

Proceed with caution (4): let's get to work (89,167) by Ethan from United States It's been a while since I last posted so here it goes. 1) 3rd Diamond. It'd be great for Mariah's debut album to hit diamond by the 2019 BBMAs or maybe next year for its 30th anniversary. It's the closest one (9x platinum and counting already) out of all the albums to get certified. So perhaps this is the next campaign: #MariahCareyDiamond or something along that line. She'd be the 2nd woman besides Shania Twain if it came true. 2) Caution World Tour. I'd love to see her team puts up some lyrics on the big screen while she's singing the new songs like A No No and Portrait so that the audience can see and/or follow along, especially for those who are not familiar with the new materials. I hope she'll include The Distance on the European leg. I don't mind she replaces GTFO with it. 3) The Grammys. The eligibility period is 11-month this year (cut off at end of August 2019). Hopefully, the other divas release their albums starting in September. As the critically acclaimed album, Caution has a chance to score major nominations, especially the major fields open up to 8 nominees, unless the Recording Academy holds a grudge against Mariah since she has been quite vocal lately about her disappointment (and shade) with the organization. Yes, I'm aware that it was not commercially successful, but let's look at Beck's Morning Phase and Kacey Musgraves' Golden Hour. I know it's a debate on here about hits and sales, but we need to be honest with albums like Solange's A Seat at the Table and Janelle Monae's Dirty Computer. Look them up and compare to Mariah's Caution. I think some of her biggest competitors are Robyn's Honey and Ariana's Thank You, Next (commercially successful and critically acclaimed). If she gets some major nominations and performs, please keep it simple and sing Portrait with lyrics displayed on big screen (a combo of Brandi's and Kacey's performances at last year's show). Maybe she's already done with the Grammys and not even interested in giving it a 5th time. (Saturday 13 April 2019; 01:57)

Proceed with caution (3): next singles and steps (86,585) by Ethan from United States 1. I'm glad that a lot of the lambs are on the same wavelength of having Giving Me Life as a mini-movie music video. It does hurt the label's pocket but Mariah can compensate for that. Again, please get Paul Hunter or Diane Martel to direct the video (3rd single after A No No). 2. Like most lambs, my least favorite track is Stay Long Love You. I don't hate or love it. I think it reminds me of Did I Do That? from Rainbow, which I don't like the single at all. I don't know why she included it in that album. I wish she could have replaced it with Runway instead. 3. Mariah needs to release A No No remix before or during her Christmas tour to get some commotion. She has 2 months off before she returns to Vegas. I hope she'll get invited to award shows, perform more songs from Caution, and be a part of Aretha Franklin tribute at the Grammys. 4. If A No No remix is nowhere out soon, then Caution might be out of the charts in the next two weeks. It's already slipping from iTunes and the promotion has wrapped up. I've been listening to it on Apple Music every day so I hope it will stay longer on the charts. 5. Some of the songs include lots of writers because she sampled the music for her singles on Caution. That's why. Just like WBT, it has a lot more due to Bobby Womack and Babyface references. (Tuesday 27 November 2018; 19:06)

Proceed with caution (2): people are forgetful (86,389) by Ethan from United States Aging has caught up to me because I've left out some points. 1. Not just to shade JLo and others, but people are indeed forgetful. Mariah was nominated twice as a songwriter for the Grammy's Song of the Year for VOL and WBT (to me, she was robbed). The year after her self-titled album, she was nominated for Producer of the Year for her efforts of Emotions. Look it up (as I hope the younger generation would do since they're so consumed in social media). I don't know why some people are still talking about her as a songwriter in 2018. 2. Yes, With You is memorable because it's the formulaic, melodic song that we've grown up listening to and used to. From LTT and CLG to WBT and ISIL, it makes sense that it's easier to remember on the first listen. Of course, it will take several times to get into newer sounds and vibes of songs on Caution. 3. The Distance: It'd be great if Mariah/Tyga Dolla $ign change the word from "Silent" to "Resilient", then it'd be part of the Mariahcabulary as in "We're too strong, we're too resilient." Just a thought. 4. A No No. I was hesitant about the idea of having Cardi B on the remix (because of her erratic personality), but I guess it's a go as long as there's no dissing of Nicki Minaj on the remix. No more drama please. 5. Body of work. It's going to piss someone's name starting with A and ending with W on here but I'm going to say again Caution is about a body work. Let me remind people that Mariah and her team (except for one person, aka LA Reid) was going to release TEOM without ILT, WBT, SIO, DFAU (later re-release) because the rest of the songs are made up as a body of work. Do you think Say Somethin would hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100? No. Mine Again? No. Stay The Night? No. Get Your Number? No. Fly Like a Bird? No. A no no. It's a great record without a commercial, massive hit, but thanks to her work with JD, it generated 3-4 more songs that were released simultaneously one after the other. 6. Again, there's a disconnect with critics and some fans. Billboard, Rolling Stone, and other publications have been covering Mariah on a daily basis since the release of Caution. RS just released another article titled, "Mariah Carey Made Her Best Album of the Decade by Taking Back Control." Go read it. 7. Some fans are asking too much. Non-beat songs. Live-band songs. 90s Mariah. No features. No rappers. And so on. Mariah has been giving a bit of everything since 1990. Last year's live-band with full orchestra song was The Star. Did y'all support it? It even got nominated for the Golden Globes. FYI. 8. The Grammys. I've been boycotting the show since 2006. If Mariah indeed wins something for Caution next year, it better be televised. I do believe her that sometimes the media has soiled, especially the Grammys. I wrote a long post about it a few years ago if people want to read it. 9. Interestingly, the album was originally named Portrait (according to Mariah). I'd support that as well. But overall, we all know the 90s Mariah is gone and she's adapting to what she's got left now. 10. To quote Todd's words, let's get a Coke or Sprite, whichever you prefer but don't yuck my yum (exclamation mark). Cue AIWFCIY. Happy holidays y'all. (Wednesday 21 November 2018; 23:32)

Proceed with caution: Be nice or leave (86,353) by Ethan from United States I've been waiting to let everything sink in so here are my two cents. 1. The sequence of this album is great. From the chant in A No No to The Distance creates a cohesive body of work. Again, there's a disconnect between critics and some fans. Caution has generated positive reviews from Billboard to Rolling Stone, which has been very critical to Mariah and to see that RS gave Caution 4/5 stars is amazing. 2. 2nd single: The Distance (unless A No No remix is happening soon). The performance on Jimmy Fallon was on fire. Please get Joseph Kahn to direct the MV. Production, production, and production. 3. 3rd single: Giving Me Life. Please get Paul Hunter or Diane Martel to direct the MV. Yes, I left Brett Ratner our for a reason. He's tied with Stella and #MeToo movement and Mariah doesn't need any of that right now. Plus, he doesn't have the swag to direct GML anyway. It needs an urban vibe like The Roof. I have a vision to not have Mariah starred in the music video but to pull a George Michael and have Naomi Campbell in the MV. 4. 4th single: 8th Grade. Just in time for summer/fall to reminisce about school and the transition to 9th grade. Mariah goes back to directing. 5. 5th single: A No No or The Distance. Why not release 5 singles? It doesn't hurt anyway. Cue Joseph Kahn for the MV. 6. It's a shame that there wasn't more time for Mariah to perform one more song on GMA, aka Portrait since it was brought up. Unlike Michael Buble, Mariah tends to be a very private person and doesn't share much about her personal life. This was a moment for her to connect her bipolar II disorder to the Glitter period. In fact, she hasn't discussed about it live on TV - it primarily talked about through press - People magazine. Such a missed opportunity. When that news came out, some of my friends even said it was for PR. I do believe her and I don't think Mariah is the type of person that does it for publicity. 7. I hope Mariah promotes Caution like the way Adele promoted 25. Because of its body of work, it'd be great to hear a different song each time she's at an event or on a show. Unlike 25, Caution doesn't have that one massive hit like Hello but I still think it's a good idea to do it. 8. I love her recent interviews. Besides a bit of shade here and there from the Genius interview, the way she casually dropped names: Tommy and Walter (she even mentioned his name - exclamation mark). I found that quite rare. It doesn't seem she has any animosity towards Walter. 9. I need some production for the Caution tour. Get the curtains/dancers, video montages, props, etc. Get rid of long gowns during uptempo songs. More short ensembles like the pink dress. I better see some hands/legs movement during A No No and The Distance. 10. If you want the 90s Mariah (ballads alone), then go listen to Celine Dion (and be a part of the 1 million fans now out of the 20 millions fans in the 90s). Mariah is musicality and versatility. Her style has been changing yet still has that signature Mariah's buttery tone and velvety texture. (Wednesday 21 November 2018; 08:11)

Re: Mariah vs. Michael (85,601) (85,627) by Ethan from United States It's not Michael that's going to block Mariah. I don't think he'll get the #1 album but, let's hear it, it's going to the The Greatest Showman Reimagined album. The original has been on the chart for almost a year and with this remake by mainstream/popular artists, it's sure to hit #1. It's one of the popular movie soundtracks in decades since The Bodyguard and now A Star Is Born. In general, Mariah's sales haven't been big in early weeks. They usually dragged them out throughout weeks and months (in her peaks - 90s, mid 00s, and E=MC2 era). To piggy back on the topic of ageism and sexism, there's definitely some degree to it for sure. To me, TD and ANN sound as good as Halsey's Without Me yet haven't got any radio airplay. I'm not sure whether they have sent to radio stations. In my opinion, it's also a generation thing, CD and Mariah haven't seen much successes in over a decade. CD hasn't changed much in her music direction yet her last album (pretty solid) just sold over 1 million copies worldwide since 2013. So what happened to her 20+ millions fans? Fans that grew up with them are a bit older, probably had families and multiple kids. We have different priorities. Anyways, this era has been much better than the last 3 albums' releases and Mariah's longevity is going down in history regardless of her current vocal's ability. Way to go Marketing/PR Team and Mariah. (Monday 5 November 2018; 03:27)

Caution tour (85,406) by Ethan from United States I just recently saw Christina's Liberation Tour concert in Oakland with a similar scale, that is theater-venue. I hope Caution Tour considers some kind of production to accommodate for the size of venue. I know Mariah has done this before, aka Charmbracelet Tour, and it was amazing. Mariah's team needs to do is to show some beauty montages, speaking parts, and dancers' routines between costume changes with a theme. To be honest, Christina can sing but nowadays it's hard to hear her singing, which is not my style - too much ad libs, over-the-top vocals, and I can't hear much even though I know her songs. The difference between Mariah and her is that some of her songs can move the crowds like Dirty, Can't Hold Us Down, Fighter, etc., aka more dance songs (she definitely has the empowerment factor to drive the crowds and fans - yes Mariah has Hero/Make It Happen but she needs to make an inspirational speech to inspire more people). At the concert, the choruses are heavily relied on backup singers and backup tracks. It's interesting to notice that not a lot of folks have criticized about her current voice (and she hasn't toured much at all). It's definitely not the same as late 90s and Stripped and Back to Basics era. So all I hope is that Mariah gets back her confidence (as she recently yet slowly did during her Asia tour) and works on her stage presence and performance. Then, she will be great despite the current vocals. (Monday 29 October 2018; 07:13)

Caution / news (85,176) by Ethan from United States I've been listening to MIAMTEC to get all hyped up for Caution. It is interesting to listen to the entire album since a while. I have to say it's a solid piece of work. It was unfortunately that it was delayed so many times within a year plus apart. I'd only hope she could have taken Thirsty, Camouflage, One More Try (as a bonus track), and Money out. Then it'd be a coherently produced album. I can't wait for the big news announcement. Maybe I was right about the Caution tour (better be like Charmbracelet with a well thought concept). Perhaps a double album (duet/featured artist)? Singing America The Beautiful at the Super Bowl? (Monday 22 October 2018; 07:38)

The Asia tour and MC15 Caution era (85,088) by Ethan from United States I'm happy that the setlist is similar to the Butterfly Returns residency. However, here are my two cents. 1) Cut Emotions, VOL, and OSW and 2) replace them with LTT (a whole song), IBT, WY, and Without You. The Asian audience prefers ballads/pop songs. Yes I know that VOL is the magna carta of melisma but I don't think it's as popular as IDWC or LTT from her first album in Asia. It'd make sense to include Without You as an encore with Hero since it's her biggest international hit in Asia. And include WY as a must as part of promoting new album and music. Please wear a short dress when singing uptempo numbers to move around easier. I remember seeing her in a blue Asian-inspired short dress singing to Honey as part of the Charmbracelet tour and it was a cute and flirty performance. Now to the new era: management/PR is on point. We need to take a chill pill and let the professionals do their job. They are in this business for a reason. The music industry is so different now compared to the 90s in terms of promotion and sales. Thus, WY goes to AC and GTFO/The Distance goes to Urban/R&B radio stations for an array of audience. Based on Mariah's album track lists, the #2 and #3 songs are often the most popular/strongest singles and WY was placed at #2 so I wonder how the rest of the songs played out. I really hope there's a deluxe version with a few more songs or some hidden songs. I think she hopes to go on tour in the US with this album (if it's a success) so that's why her residency is only scheduled in February of 2019. In today's music world, sales of at least 1 million is a success. A series of albums released by female artists (Britney, Christina, Fergie, etc.) had very poor sales in the past years. In my opinion, Mariah needs to have more confidence and work on her performance. (Friday 19 October 2018; 07:25)

Pre-order surprise (85,009) by Ethan from United States Is it a bonus track with Britney Spears? I'm not sure if y'all are aware but BS was on Ellen a few days ago saying she was there to make an announcement that she's gonna make an announcement on 10/18. I wonder if it's something related to Mariah. Haha. Wishing thinking. (Thursday 18 October 2018; 03:00)

New album (84,738) by Ethan from United States So Mariah's Asia tour starts in 5 days and she has 3 weeks between that and the Christmas Tour. Does it mean the album will drop sometime in November or end of December? Who knows. Perhaps GTFO and With You won't even end up in the final cut just like Rihanna's 4 5 Seconds, Bitch Better Have My Money, and American Oxygen in Anti. Overall, the rollout of the songs for the album is precise and prepared compared to MIAM. And the first two songs are solid. To be honest, I like With You more after the AMA's performance - it's visually artistic and stunning. More or less, I look forward to new materials and similar songs to have a musically coherent produced album. (Thursday 11 October 2018; 08:56)

Did someone on here criticize Carrie Underwood? (84,717) by Ethan from United States I don't think so. Did I see it correctly that she stood in one place? So was it the "singing" or "moving" part a problem? Is delivering a "performance" (doing a choreography to a pre-recorded track or having a head microphone and pretending to sing) a norm these days? Gotta be consistent people. You can't have both ways. (Thursday 11 October 2018; 01:17)

Common sense is not that common (84,671) by Ethan from United States One time at the 2018 AMAs Mariah didn't move much and some "lambs" and other people criticized. How could she move with that specifically choreographed routine? I guess she could move up and down with her legs or have more hand gestures. Didn't she move/walk around at the iHeart Radio Festival? Anyway, it's one of the more artistic and visually numbers since her performance of WBT at the MTV Movie Awards back in 2005 (honorable mentioned All I Want for Christmas at the VH1 Divas Live since the choreography was great). Yes, the live singing was questionable with layered vocals and backup vocals. At least Billboard ranked her performance at #11. And is someone on here going to criticize about that? Higher? Lower? Mariah's had several peaks in her career and that's the way it is. I guess when you're in the public eye, that's online "bullying" that people have to endure. (Wednesday 10 October 2018; 18:02)

Listening party 10/3 (84,395) by Ethan from United States I wonder if any of us here was invited/went to the listening party. It doesn't look like any of them is on this forum. Lol. I've seen several IG posts and the comments were general: the album is lit or on fire (or several songs that played at the gathering). On the other hand, I agree that there's a disconnect with "critics" and "lambs". With You has been getting positive reviews from NPR, Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc. It'd be great to hear a striped down version of it at the AMAs. And please don't forget Mariah for the Aretha tribute, which I doubt "I don't know her" was asked to be a part of. (Friday 5 October 2018; 18:39)

Mariah can't satisfy everybody (84,346) by Ethan from United States Obviously, WY ain't WBT and not as strong as #Beautiful. It has potential and this is Mariah's 2018 vocals. The 90s is irreversible. It seems like some of us on here are musicians/music experts so I hope you can provide us some demos/beats of the "it" trend now or what direction Mimi should go and we can all provide some constructive criticism. Some of us here suggested her to work with Cardi B and all I can say is "no comment" or "no thanks". There won't be another Music Box, Daydream, Butterfly, or TEOM (which I haven't fully listened to the whole album - it's a different kind of R&B that I haven't got really into it). In my opinion, every artist has one or two peaks in their career and then sing/tour on their greatest hits. That's it. It's like how Billy Joel came out and said he stopped making music or told artists to stop recording new music because their creativity ran out. Then he got criticized for it. It doesn't seem like there's a middle ground here. Do we have higher standards than other artists' fans? Are we gonna look down on Britney's fans and judge them (who kind of sold out residencies and shows) for knowing/letting her lip-synch the "entire" show? Will "lambs" even support and/or go to the show if Mariah does it? At this point, you just need to stay or move on. I understand it's the art of letting go so it takes time. It's vividly emblazoned in your mind and it's just so far like a distant star that you can't do it yet and keep becoming back to this forum to express your emotions . As I've said before, it's not 2005 so let's face it. Even Celine Dion doesn't perform her songs like Loved Me Back to Life and Incredible from her latest album in her residencies now. There were great songs since MHWGO (1999) and none of them was highly charted and/or recognized by the Grammys and such. Nowadays, it's more about performance since people still buy tickets to see you despite your latest record's performance to hear your older hits. In the end, I think it's about longevity. Yes, it'd be great to have another #1 but seriously, where's Dinero, Made For Now, Malibu, Man of the Woods, Queen, etc.? (Friday 5 October 2018; 00:30)

Remy and Caymus (84,270) by Ethan from United States I love how Mariah is freely endorsing these alcohol brands: Caymus in GTFO and Remy in With You. It's definitely her signature style from naming people (Bobby Womack, Babyface, Wendy Williams, etc.) to things (Harvard, YouTube, Windex, etc.). It feels like there are a few snippets and they (music chords) are kind of similar to the ones she's shared yet at times they don't sound alike. One more freaking day. GTFO. (Wednesday 3 October 2018; 18:48)

AMA plus tribute to Aretha Franklin (84,063) by Ethan from United States I hope the AMA will ask Mariah to be a part of this tribute in addition to have her own performance of With You. Let's hope to include her to this special tribute. (Friday 28 September 2018; 07:34)

Re: GTFO (83,746) (83,755) by Ethan from United States Seriously, her PR team is on point: Rolling Stone, Elle, Billboard, NPR, etc. What great coverage for a buzz single. Now, it's up to the lambs to buy and stream. It's only been out for less than a day and I hope it continues to stay on the charts a bit longer until 10/5. Btw, this song kind of reminds me of Faded. (Friday 14 September 2018; 01:30)

Re: With You (83,727) (83,734) by Ethan from United States Exactly. So just chill out. Although MC doesn't the trend, it is how marketing goes these days - releasing a few singles prior to the album release. With You will probably be a more budgeted video. (Thursday 13 September 2018; 17:57)

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