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Name: Bill
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I love Mariah more than you do.
Re: Mariah's voice (99,222) (99,230) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 20 December 2021; 14:06)
Justin Bieber's voice broke, that is why he can't sing high notes anymore. He is a male, and traditionally, when a man goes through puberty his voice deepens. So that argument cannot be applied to Mariah. Plenty of female singers have had long, fruitful careers with little to no wear of their vocals. Certainly not to the extent of Mariah's. Let's look at her nearest competitor, Celine Dion. I don't like her music, but her output probably matches Mariah's in terms of tours and album schedules, and she probably lips as much as well. The difference being, Celine's voice has "aged", but in a graceful way. She can still sing well and her voice still sounds pleasant. If you're sitting here and saying Christmas Baby Please Come Home 2021 was a stylistic choice you are kidding yourself. I have sung semi-professionally (demos and backgrounds) since my mid 20s. I'm in my late 30s and don't have to resort to staccato singing as apparently every singer that enters their 30s has to, in your world. That is simply not true.
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Re: Interesting thought (99,211) (99,214) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 19 December 2021; 12:53)
The same can be said for her songwriting partners. Women have only cropped up here and there but usually it's men that she collaborates with.
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Re: Change (99,185) (99,187) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 09:17)
I don't think I mentioned Barbra did I? Maybe I did lol. But my point is Mariah's was likely more cosmetic rather than medical, and there's plenty out there where people have said reshaping, even subtle, has impacted their singing voice. The original question was why does her voice sound different on Daydream, and Daydream was before the alcohol and marijuana era, and all she'd had done in 1995 was her first small breast augmentation and her first small rhinoplasty, so this is why I don't think you can rule those things out completely. But then yes, her voice got progressively worse until a small bounce back in the early 00s, then a massive, shocking decline after TEOM, and now she can't really sing at all without it being a Frankenstein of auto tune, reverb, digital pitching and splicing and pasting.
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Re: Change (99,178) (99,184) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:20)
Haha. Am I? I don't think I am. Anyway, Google search quickly indicates lots of people who say a nose job impacted their singing, some for the better, some for the worse. Most report no effect. You're right it won't impact the vocal chord, but singing incorporates more than just that. It's the diaphragm, the lungs, the mouth, the nose, the chords etc.
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Re: Change (99,177) (99,183) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:16)
Lol, you think When I Saw You isn't sung completely through her nose? It's the most brassy song on the album.
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Re: Change (99,165) (99,170) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 09:07)
Yeh it's not the falsetto element I'm talking about. It's more the change in her tone from a somewhat thick, darker tone to one that was more nasal and thin. Listen to her sing America the Beautiful at the NBA finals. When she sings "fruited plain" and the final "shining sea", it's almost like her vocals are stacked/layered but they aren't. She just had an incredibly rich tone. It disappeared in 1995. It's nowhere on Daydream, and songs like When I Saw You and I Am Free really are noticeably nasal and different to anything prior. I love the theories Randy.
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Re: Change (99,157) (99,163) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:14)
Rhinoplasty may or may not impact a voice, the fact is you won't know until after you have had it. Great that yours didn't impact you, but Mariah's clearly did as her voice has never returned to the strong, voluminous, agile voice she had on her first four albums. You can tell on Daydream almost immediately that her voice is thinner and like she's singing with a blocked nose. Yes, she sounded better post breakdown, when presumably she stopped drinking or engaging in other vices, but it never came anywhere close to where it was 1990-1994, and quickly went downhill after the success of TEOM.
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Re: Change (99,154) (99,156) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 14 December 2021; 21:02)
She's been pumping a humidifier at her vocal chords since the late 90s. It doesn't work. And yes, of course rhinoplasty would impact your voice. The reshaping of the nasal cavity would massively impact the air passing through and your breath control. Why do you think her voice sounded full bodied on her first four albums, then nasally and thin from Daydream onwards?
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Re: Change (99,151) (99,152) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 14 December 2021; 17:32)
Yes, I said this years ago and got crucified for suggesting such a thing, but the rhinoplasty plus her breast augmentation would have had an effect on her voice in terms of breath control and tone. Her voice lost its "body" in 1995 and the Daydream album was very nasally and brassy. Equally at this point her melisma became all disjointed too. Those elements (plus further rhinoplasty and breast augmentation later), and the overuse of alcohol and marijuana, have all contributed to the voice we have today. They were her choices and I'm sure she stands by them. As Mariah says, it is what it is.
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Re: Uncertainty (99,133) (99,138) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 13 December 2021; 17:12)
Please Mariah. Do not remake Vision of Love. Please.
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Caterpillar (99,135) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 13 December 2021; 14:45)
All this talk of Mariah "reimagining" tracks from Butterfly is making me nervous. Hero's reworking in 2008 was abysmal, and her voice was in relatively good shape back then, although nothing by comparison to the 1993 vocals. To take one of her most iconic albums and tinker with, what many consider to be, her masterpiece is such a massive gamble that I worry if it is going to pay off. Close My Eyes on The Rarities was a car crash, and I imagine everything else will be if she's using her 2021 voice. Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) did not sound good. At all. I'm sorry but a fact is a fact.

The Butterfly anniversary needs to be commemorated with the original album remastered in high resolution, the videos upscaled to 4K, the accompanying tour released as a DVD and audio, and any outtakes from the original sessions. Plus a new booklet with some previously unreleased photographs from the album shoot.

Otherwise, it's just another nail in the coffin for her legacy, by destroying an album that was so critically praised universally, regarded as her "magnum opus", and that contained her most delicate and vulnerable vocals ever recorded. It's a beautiful work of art. These intentions will be a massive step backwards and crap all over one of her best albums.
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Re: Tokyo Dome again? (99,097) (99,099) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 10 December 2021; 11:04)
Yep it's a snooze fest. Even the audience barely even blink. Plus it's dubbed to within an inch of its life.
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Re: Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (99,084) (99,091) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 9 December 2021; 19:47)
Lol, it's the same for everything she released after Touch My Body.
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Re: Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (99,072) (99,083) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 9 December 2021; 13:58)
Precisely, Mariah's fans have nothing to do with AIWFCIY being a success, it's, simply put, just a brilliant song. If it was purely Mariah's fanbase that saw it reach #1 across the globe, Save the Day would have had the same success. But it didn't, because it was a horrific song.
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Re: I stopped by to talk about... Drake? (99,064) (99,070) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 8 December 2021; 16:19)
"Remakes of her remakes that sound like an alien singing in auto tune." I'm dead. Good to hear from you Randy, hope you have been well.
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Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,056) (99,057) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 6 December 2021; 22:55)
Well put Jamie. She hit that balance when she married Nick. I've posted this before, but this is one of my most favourite Mariah interviews. She seemed in such a good place, was relatable, down to earth and friendly, funny, engaged, looked great and just seemed very self assured but also unassuming. Exactly where a singer of her accolades should be.
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Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,049) (99,050) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 6 December 2021; 15:47)
Funny, I was on my way to share this as well. All we had previously was a tiny snippet of MC and the backing singers on the stairwell from The First Vision video, so hearing this, with those gorgeous whistles and the agile and full-bodied 1990 vocals, is such a joy. CBPCH 2021 version is sung by a completely different person it seems, doesn't it?
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Re: Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,039) (99,040) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 5 December 2021; 12:21)
In comparison though, the Grammy performance is incredible to this mess. We all criticised it at the time but "I'd give my all" to have her sounding like that again.
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Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,034) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 4 December 2021; 14:59)
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Re: Joy to the world (Celebration Remix) (99,006) (99,009) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 27 November 2021; 19:13)
I agree this is one of her best club mixes, but it was a collaboration with David Morales, not C&C. ❤️
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Re: Baby Please Come Home (98,997) (98,998) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 24 November 2021; 19:28)
Yep. Everything on the original Merry Christmas album is untouchable. The re-recordings of AIWFCIY, the "live" version of O Holy Night, the hip hop Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town, the new CBPCH all pale by comparison. It's like that dreadful re-recording of Hero she did in support of The Ballads album. What was she thinking? Leave the past in the past and move forward.
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Re: Adele (98,982) (98,984) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 22 November 2021; 19:46)
I meant from a publicity/popularity standpoint. Daydream was Mariah's popularity and some would say, vocal peak. All I was saying was let her ride the crest of that wave because, as we all know, nothing lasts forever.
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Re: Adele (98,972) (98,974) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 21 November 2021; 17:42)
I streamed the album this morning and it's not terrible. In fact, I was quite surprised there were some songs with a bit of "oomf" to them, as usually it's all dreary rehashes of Someone Like You (Adele's We Belong Together). Her voice was a bit much towards the end though. The good thing about MC is her voice has so many facets her records are never uninteresting. No one can make an album with Petals and Bliss and Can't Take That Away and Heartbreaker. Just that one album has so many vocal styles and different vibes going on with it.
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Re: Where Are You Christmas (98,953) (98,957) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 17 November 2021; 14:32)
If Where Are You Christmas was put out with 1994 vocals the issue is, it would totally outshine Fall In Love at Christmas. Here's hoping for Rarities II in 2022 to include that, Lose Control from the debut and her demo tape.
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Re: MC's Range Media has ties to TM (98,954) (98,956) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 17 November 2021; 14:30)
Adele's in her Daydream era now. I'm like, let her have it. Mariah doesn't really need to have an aggressive campaign like Adele's album roll out in my view.
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