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Name: Bill
Country: the UK
It wasn't raining yet
But it was definitely
A little misty on that
Warm November night.
Re: MC trousers (99,869) (99,873) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 8 March 2022; 06:50)
No, she wore the black and white checked ones in the With You video. Also during Charmbracelet she wore jeans.
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Re: Migrate or Caution (99,863) (99,866) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 March 2022; 19:41)
Migrate hands down.
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Re: Butterfly 25th September 16 (99,857) (99,859) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 7 March 2022; 00:50)
I hope MC does do more for the anniversary than the reworking of the songs. I wasn't overly enthralled with Close My Eyes on The Rarities, but the Valentine's mix of We Belong Together was good so there is a "distant glimmer of hope" as the saying goes. I hope she puts out the Butterfly concert and a hi-res edition of the (original) album too.
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Re: Hero (99,850) (99,854) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 6 March 2022; 12:31)
Whoa. The spirit of the post was to highlight that whenever I read an article about, or see fans post about, Hero it is always in the negative. The point was that this trend emerged after Mariah expressed her distaste towards the song. I was thinking out loud about how some fans previously stood behind the song until Mariah's own opinions on it changed their minds. The same fans then complain that all Mariah's legacy will now consist of is a Christmas song. Well, that's their own doing. If you don't like it then great. Through the Rain has great lyrics, but the whole song is built on Hero's blueprint.
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Article: The number ones: Mariah Carey's "Hero" (99,839) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 4 March 2022; 16:43)
It really annoys me how many people trash talk Hero these days. I know it's "cool" to not like it, especially ever since Mariah shocked us all by proclaiming that she never liked the song. Of course, whatever Mariah says, the lambs do.

What irks me, is before Mariah made that announcement during her concert, Hero was always well received by the fans. There was no reference to it being "too schmaltzy" or "too middle of the road" like everyone always says these days. Until AIWFCIY stole its crown, Hero was Mariah's signature tune. It was her "I Will Always Live You" and her "My Heart Will Go On", and everyone seemed fine with that. It was always receiving airplay on the radio, it was from her best-selling album (and probably significantly helped those album sales), it had a positive, universal message, and Mariah said no other song of hers ever got such a response from her fans in respect of the letters she used to get about it.

Mariah even said the song is for her fans, and yet here we all are throwing it back in her face, because it's the in-thing to not like it anymore? I reckon everybody here is a closet Hero fan, and it introduced many people to Mariah's music.

The song is expertly crafted, wonderfully written, and beautifully sung. I for one will always stand by the song, even when no one else will.
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Re: Butterfly 25th September 16 (99,830) (99,838) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 4 March 2022; 15:06)
Uh oh. I'm nervous. I mean why paint the peacock?
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Re: Billboard cover (99,826) (99,827) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 3 March 2022; 15:06)
Agree, it is dreadful.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,809) (99,824) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 3 March 2022; 11:11)
Haha, no there is some truth to what you say, albeit not necessarily in Europe. In Japan the album releases for most artists always had a bonus track. This was because, due to their economy, it was cheaper to import a CD from the US/elsewhere than it was to buy locally, so bonus tracks were added to encourage local purchases. In Europe, it was expensive to import from the US. I curse that I had to build my collection in the 90s as the US single imports were a lot of money. I remember the 2 track Dreamlover CD was almost £10. Back then, that was a lot of money for two tracks. But luckily the UK in particular was blessed with gorgeous picture discs, exclusive remixes, unique picture sleeves etc. We were treated very well indeed.
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Re: The next Twitter Spaces (99,806) (99,811) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 2 March 2022; 18:51)
I need to see this Mariah book Bobby.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,807) (99,808) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 2 March 2022; 15:00)
Lol, but by that logic, wouldn't you all have to buy the imported albums and singles from Europe so you could have all her remixes and bonus tracks?
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Re: Favourite ending (99,799) (99,805) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 March 2022; 21:12)
DYKWYGT (TFM) was such an elegant end to the #1's album. It's odd how Sony International treated Europe and the other regions better than her home turf. Even the single releases over here had more exclusives and unique mixes that didn't appear in the US. And we had the better end to Music Box.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,790) (99,798) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 1 March 2022; 08:43)
It's strange because I've done the opposite this end. I try to listen to Music Box without EFA and ending it with All I've Ever Wanted, and it just feels so incomplete. AIEW is a beautiful song in many ways, but it ends the album on nothing more special than Just to Hold You Once Again. When Rainbow came out Mariah said it was her first album that ended on a happy note. I always wondered if she actually considered EFA to be the closing track for Music Box for that purpose. I understand what you mean about it not fitting with the rest of the album, but that's what makes it stand out so much and make such a statement.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,786) (99,789) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 26 February 2022; 23:33)
Such a great ending, you're right. It's such a masterstroke to end Music Box with such a poignant closure. It's so weird/unfair that the US fans never experienced Music Box the same way the rest of the world did, as it adds a whole nother layer to the album, and is probably her best closing track.
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Re: Dennis (99,778) (99,780) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 February 2022; 16:54)
So glad you are okay Dennis.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,777) (99,779) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 25 February 2022; 16:43)
With ABMB, do you mean the wall of sound "you and I" fade out, or the live version that ends with the opening guitar strum? Personally both are superb.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,772) (99,775) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 February 2022; 22:00)
Yes, Heartbreaker's acapella run down at the end is superb when you hear all the harmonising parts, really shows the "wall of sound" thing Mariah does so well. And yes, when I first listened to WBT for the first time I was nodding my head along nicely to it thinking it was different, a bit Breakdown-esque with the rapid fire delivery of the lines, and then the key change made me sit up and do exactly as you say haha.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,769) (99,774) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 February 2022; 21:58)
I just watched this one again Bobby A as it's been a while, you're right, great delivery and the gentle end she brings the song to is beautiful. I Still Believe is so underrated.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,768) (99,771) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 February 2022; 08:43)
The original Fantasy is just pure ear candy, I love it. I too miss the Price Sisters and Melonie. What an era, and what a collective sound they all made. Honestly I sometimes think their contribution to Merry Christmas is massively overlooked. Without them it wouldn't sound half as amazing as it does.
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Re: Favourite ending (99,767) (99,770) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 24 February 2022; 08:41)
Yes, this was one of the best performances of My All she ever did, and she looked breath taking as well. I agree you could feel the hurt in her voice, and you understand why now having read the memoir and realising it was about DJ.
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Favourite ending (99,766) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 23 February 2022; 18:55)
So stepping away from the racism and the woke conversations and bringing it back to Mariah, do any of y'all have a favourite ending of Mariah's?

Most of her lead singles have great endings, especially Emotions when the music and background singers all stop on the same note and she's left finishing her run acapella, and down to such a low note, considering the stratospheric heights she reached moments earlier.

I also love the "do do do" finish of Firecracker Loverboy.
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Re: Tommy the racist (99,756) (99,758) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 22 February 2022; 18:21)
No, I wouldn't say he was racist at all. I mean he married her knowing she was mixed. I see it more that he was a good businessman who knew what played to the biggest demographics and was protecting his investment. Music Box sold twice or three times as many copies as Butterfly, and he wanted for bang for his buck. If you pardon the pun.
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Re: Sweetheart (99,723) (99,726) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 19 February 2022; 11:46)
I knew at the time it was a remake because my suspicious mind always enquires whenever I see that MC doesn't have a writing credit. Turns out my uncle knew and had the original version on 7" and let me have it. I do agree, for once, the original is better than Mariah's version. The original has a lot more bounce and sway to it, Mariah's version is very sluggish to my ear. I much prefer the No Rap version Matty, as JD has got to be the most annoying rapper on the planet. This is why I never listen to E=MC2 because he doesn't shut up throughout the whole record. I have expect the delicate intro of I Wish You Well to have a "y'all know who dis is" bleated over the top. (Caps) Shut Up (end caps).
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Re: One offs compilation album? (99,694) (99,702) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 15 February 2022; 20:55)
As always Nikki, provide your sources as this is all speculation/fabricated.
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Re: One offs compilation album? (99,688) (99,689) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 11 February 2022; 15:54)
The thing was Triumphant was that the arrangement was all wrong. It's a great track, I love the driving beat and the optimistic message, but Mariah didn't appear until the third verse, and it was almost like she was a featured artist on a track she supposedly headlined. I remember when it debuted everyone was waiting around for her to appear on stage, it was just bizarre. I think this is why a lot of fans have a preference for the Vintage Throwback remix which puts Mariah front and centre, where she belongs.
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Re: Caution plus (99,678) (99,679) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 9 February 2022; 23:22)
Caution plus:

1. Make It Look Good
2. With You
3. You Don't Know What to Do
4. Faded
5. Beautiful
6. The Distance
7. Giving Me Life
8. One Mo' Gen
9. Stay Long Love You
10. Unforgettable
11. Money
12. GTFO (Instrumental)
13. Portrait
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