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Name: Bill
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I love Mariah more than you do.
Re: Bey snubs Mariah (100,907) (100,908) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 6 August 2022; 01:38)
Sounds like Mariah dodged a bullet.
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Re: Best breakup album: Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel (100,895) (100,901) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 4 August 2022; 20:10)
I Only Wanted I group with the trilogy of My All, After Tonight and that. Luis was meant to duet with MC on After Tonight, but it wasn't in his key, or their voices didn't gel together, so it didn't happen. Was that what you were thinking of?

As for songs about Derek. I agree Fourth of July may be likely, but as this is a continuation of Underneath the Stars, it fans the flames of my theory that Mariah and Derek were having an affair as far back as 1995. With that lens, he could also have been just a "sweet, sweet fantasy baby", and perhaps she couldn't breathe and fell deep when she first saw him? Who knows.
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Re: #Butterfly25 (100,874) (100,875) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 1 August 2022; 15:45)
Nice list. I'd add Head Over Heels (Allure) as well. I'd bet the farm recorded a demo for them, as the vocal arrangements and layers are so her. I can just hear her singing it, and think it'd be a good addition to Butterfly. My only other wish is for the Butterfly tour to be DVD'd. Around The World cut half the songs in half, I'd love a full length version of Hopelessly Devoted to You with ONJ.
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Re: MC hurry up (100,866) (100,867) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 31 July 2022; 14:40)
I've never really understood the appeal of Beyonce either. She's incredibly beautiful, can sing reasonably well, and knows how to make an impact, I'll give her that. But, her songs always seem to be her just chanting the same line over and over again whilst performing some mind numbingly complicated dance routine. Will she ever make a song like Till the End of Time, Everything Fades Away, Outside, Petals, The Roof? I don't think so. She's either demanding a man pay her bills, bills, bills and put a ring on it, or declaring her independence from said man. Make your mind up.
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#Butterfly25 (100,858) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 31 July 2022; 00:03)
Mariah's just posted to socials #Butterfly25. I wonder what she has up her sleeve for its silver anniversary?

I'm predicting a rerecording of the album a la The Roof with Brandy and Close My Eyes acoustic.
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Re: MC hurry up (100,852) (100,853) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 30 July 2022; 10:31)
My relationship with My All is that I won't play it for months, and then I will listen to it on repeat for days on end, and nothing but that.
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Re: Reach For The Sky is Fly Like A Bird (100,833) (100,834) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 26 July 2022; 12:24)
That's a plausible theory. I'm a big Tori Amos fan and she was explaining in an interview that her unused songs often found their way onto later albums in a different guise. So she would for example take the bridge from an unused song and apply it to a new song that was being written, use a chord progression, a lyric idea, a melodic strand. She shared some demos and you could hear the beginnings of other songs that came years later. In short she said she never really wasted anything. A real example from Mariah is Save the Day. The song was originally planned for the original The Art of Letting Go album, but got re-worked for The Rarities with the Lauryn Hill sample etc., but I expect the structure/skeleton of the song was the same.
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Re: What sank Charmbracelet? (100,828) (100,829) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 25 July 2022; 21:46)
Got my hopes set for The Rarities II You which will feature CB leftover tracks, There For Me, I Lose Control, Skydiving, We're Not Making Love Anymore and the demo tape.
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Re: What sank Charmbracelet? (100,807) (100,825) by Bill from the UK
(Monday 25 July 2022; 20:41)
Yeh it's probably a combination of what everybody has already said to be fair. Saying that though, how do we think the album has aged? It's definitely a "mood" album, and has grown on me over the years. I don't spin it often, but when I do, I always appreciate the laid back R&B, and I've grown to appreciate the stylistic approach she took to her vocal delivery. Lyrically it's up there with Butterfly in my view. It's odd that Through the Rain tanked in the US, as it was really well received across other markets.
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Re: Walter (100,795) (100,796) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 22 July 2022; 22:02)
This is unhealthy.
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Re: Top 5 Did I Do That? Top 5 Triumphant (100,788) (100,791) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 22 July 2022; 04:12)
Did I Do That?

5. All I Want for Christmas Is You (mic feed)
4. Why You Mad?
3. I'll Be There (casket version)
2. NYE (foiled by Dick Clarke Productions)
1. Mariah's World documentary


5. If It's Over (Saturday Night Live)
4. America the Beautiful (NBA finals)
3. I'll Be There (MTV Unplugged)
2. All I Want for Christmas Is You (studio)
1. Daydream tour (London stop, 1996)
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Re: Just one more time with Walter A. (100,770) (100,773) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 19 July 2022; 17:18)
Their last time together was actually 1997. Lead the Way was written and recorded during Butterfly but not used until Glitter came along.
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Re: Thoughts: which album do you think MC dislikes (100,754) (100,759) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 17 July 2022; 20:42)
The debut, as she only got to produce one song (Vanishing), and she said the album seemed over produced to her. She never worked with any of those big named producers ever again (Ric Wake, Rhett Lawrence, Narada Michael Walden), so she clearly didn't rate their output. Emotions was much more organic and acoustic sounding.
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Re: Narada Michael Walden (100,745) (100,756) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 17 July 2022; 09:59)
Thanks for posting that. He's not how I imagined him. I'm unsure if the four songs he mentions includes those he produced but didn't write? Only one composition of theirs ended up on the album (I Don't Wanna Cry), and I Lose Control never made it onto the album (though hearing Penny Ford's version, I'd love to hear Mariah's 1990 version which NMW has).

So, I wonder if they wrote more together? Apparently Mariah felt he was too domineering and didn't like the title of the song and said she would have named it something else. Shame they never worked together again as IDWC is superb, and the Daydream tour live version was great at every stop of the tour (especially London, which I attended).
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Re: Top ten proflic song lyrics (100,746) (100,755) by Bill from the UK
(Sunday 17 July 2022; 09:06)
And so we finished the Moet
Started feeling liberated
And I surrendered as you took me in your arms
I was so caught up in the moment
I couldn't bare to let you go yet
So I threw caution to the wind
And started listening
To my longing heart

Then you softly pressed your lips to mine
And feelings surfaced I'd suppressed for such a long time
And for a while I forgot the sorrow and pain
And melted with you as we stood there in the rain

I mean wow. And who else would rhyme Moet with liberated lol.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,743) (100,744) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 16 July 2022; 14:42)
You're a wise lady Stacey, thank you.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,738) (100,741) by Bill from the UK
(Saturday 16 July 2022; 09:48)
Thanks for letting me have the last word. Here it is: you're still wrong and I wasn't laughing about her having MS. It's a genuine concern that she has some debilitating illness if she is unable to walk unaided.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,735) (100,737) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 15 July 2022; 21:07)
Here's what actually happened.

1. Terna wrote a post saying he didn't like the use of the phrase "or whatever".
2. Some posters agreed, and then it went off topic, as message boards often do.
3. You waded in and said as she was inducted into the SHOF that there isn't anything wrong with her vocabulary (missing the point of Terna's post, as he only spoke about conversational vocab).
4. Stacey agreed with you that she is a great songwriter.
5. I agreed with you that she is a great songwriter.
6. You then lost your shit.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,729) (100,731) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 15 July 2022; 12:22)
I know, the bridge is probably one of the best she has ever done. I love the organ and the atmospheric music, it's so moving, and her lush full vocals on top of it all are incredible.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,726) (100,728) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 15 July 2022; 10:41)
Lol, indeed. That was whole point, no one ever said anything bad about her songwriting so I don't even know how Lady B came to that egregious conclusion. Stacey I had to reply, as when I read your message, Till the End of Time had just started (I always listen to Emotions on a Friday, have done since 1993 lol).
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Re: Vocabulary (100,723) (100,724) by Bill from the UK
(Friday 15 July 2022; 00:27)
You're talking nonsense and confusing me with Terna. I never said anything negative about her conversational vocabulary, nor her songwriting.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,712) (100,720) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 14 July 2022; 15:15)
Yep, and not one of those comments downplayed her songwriting, as you insinuated was the case.
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Re: Bringin' On The Heartbreak (100,718) (100,719) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 14 July 2022; 15:14)
It's a studio version with a fake audience added to make it seem live.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,707) (100,711) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 13 July 2022; 21:53)
The topic was about her conversational vocabulary, not her songwriting. We're all in agreement she is an incredibly gifted and talented songwriter which an unerring sense of melody, harmony, and resonating lyrics.

Of course Crapfinity is the exception to that rule.
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Re: Vocabulary (100,702) (100,703) by Bill from the UK
(Tuesday 12 July 2022; 19:58)
It could be true. She may have a debilitating illness like MS, arthritis, Parkinson's etc. but just hasn't announced it publicly. Would answer a lot of questions.
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