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Mariah Carey shadiest moments (2016 Edition) (68,147) by 123 from USA Am I horrible for not so secretly loving these moments? (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 4:27)

Re: The kids are not alright (68,136) (68,146) by Lila from United States I never said they weren't well behaved. (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 4:22)

Re: The kids are not alright (68,139) (68,145) by Lila from United States I see what you're saying. Anyway, as far as Alison. . . again I don't know what to say lol. I still stand by my statement that she has had enough time, money, and opportunity to deal with her issues. At the same time I feel sorry for her. Honestly, I don't know how some people do it. Whatever happened to her in the past, I think was big but it has got to be exhausting to hold onto anger and resentment and bitterness for so long. It takes too much energy to be angry. I also don't really worry about her in regards to Mariah though. Yes it's tacky and hurtful that she goes to the press but at the same time, I think Mariah is good as long as she blocks her out. I can't speak for everyone else but I find it's easier to do this when you accept so and so person for who they are, no matter how screwed up they are. You just attribute it to them being them but you don't [censored] with them and you keep it moving. (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 4:06)

Re: No new Mariah (68,142) (68,144) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I really believe that every person is multi-faceted and Mariah is no exception. But heavens, this would mean that what we're seeing from her now is one mother of a facet, huh? Apparently, the team she is with these days brings out this side of her that is barely even tolerable. I mean this is just about the most self-absorbed she has been in her entire career. I know this may be going too far but this era is, in some respects, even worse than the Glitter era. At least back then she was battling with exhaustion from a decade-long stress and people ganging up against her. I wouldn't wish anything ill on my enemies, let alone Mariah, but is she waiting for another breakdown of similar proportions to knock her back down to earth? (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 3:03)

Re: No new Mariah (68,142) (68,143) by RibbonB from USA Preach dahling, preach. (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 1:19)

Re: No new Mariah (68,137) (68,142) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So let me get this straight, now that the blame is on Stella, we'll have to accept "maybe this is who Mariah really is" but when JD and Randy were there during smaller disasters, it was their fault because they weren't good managers but instead were enablers? Also I can't speak for everyone but I can say that I certainly don't wish for 90's Mariah to be back, not at least pre-Butterfly or Rainbow. There are 2 reasons for that. (1) She was so monitored back then, her funny/witty side and her intelligent side was not allowed to peak through. (2) Expecting someone to not change at all in 2 decades is asking for too much. However, even as early as 2013-14 Mariah was perfectly fine (save for the mini breakdown in 2014 when she broke up with Nick). See her interviews from 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2013. She was a perfect balance of Diva, funny, witty, sexy and intelligent. She was polite, she'd answer questions asked instead of flipping and hiding her face with her hair or interrupting the interviewer. I'm sorry but this and this can't be the "real Mariah" because honestly then she must be one heck of an actress, I'm talking Oscar buzz. (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 1:05)

Re: The kids are not alright (68,138) (68,139) by RibbonB from USA You were not the only one who commented on their childhood. That other poster implied that she was only restating what others told her vs. her having her own memory and opinions of her own childhood. I do believe that the brother's and sister's stories are tainted and driven by greed, so I question why people rely on their information especially over Mariah herself or her mother. Only they can say definitively how racism affected them. It really is her story as an individual, that's all I was trying to say and the way Morgan and Allison come at it is from a place of greed and pettiness, selling stories to the tabloids. Watch the Rosie interview I linked in a previous post today. She said she had kids with Nick because she felt safe and loved and more secure from the history of her childhood, that includes lack of money, random moving, racism etc. If anyone is telling a story through rose colored glasses it is Allison. She won't talk about her own woes, without trying to hurt or embarrass MC. Only she can say why she got pregnant at an early age, and then went out prostituting and that really has nothing to do with her jealousy of Mariah, but that is how she described it in that vintage video from the mid 90's, where she doesn't talk about her own problems, but complains about how the mother didn't keep her and that she was raised to think of herself as interracial. She has the deep rooted problems that only she can address. Mariah may have her own issues that only she may know or address. (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 0:44)

Re: The kids are not alright (68,133) (68,138) by Lila from United States Discounting? Because I don't think that their issues stem from being biracial or racism experienced? I don't see that as discounting. A lot of the racist occurrences did happen before Mariah's birth or before she was even three, so she would be hard pressed to remember, especially in any great detail. For instance, the story about them being shot at through their window happened the year she was born, the animal poisonings and having the car blown up: "Mariah herself, star of the films Precious and The Butler, was shielded from these hardships, as she was not born until March 1970. That year the family moved yet again, this time to a more affluent New York neighbourhood, but the problems simply intensified. They were subjected to racist attacks - amongst them, their dogs were poisoned and their car was blown up. That was the beginning of a nightmare," says Patricia. "When we were eating one night, someone fired a shot through the window. Luckily, none of the children were in the room." Many of these occurrences I think she was told about when she was older, not things she remembered offhand. I don't think that's discounting. My post had nothing to do with Mariah and her siblings relationships in regards to one another. Are they jealous? Could be. I don't have an opinion one way or the other in that because I do think that they're all too grown for any foolishness and as I said in my last post I don't give them a pass as they they are all old enough and have or had money to get help for their issues. My post detailed my belief that they all have issues that stem from their childhood, however, I don't think they stem from being biracial or the racism they encountered, but because their upbringing was unstable, the father was absent, and the parenting was overall lacking. (Wednesday 9 November 2016; 0:22)

No new Mariah (68,137) by Danny from Uk I really don't think the Mariah we see or hear about now is any different to 1999s Heartbreaker Remix Mariah. She's just more "emancipated" she's lived a life of amazing opportunities and glamour but also of sadness and loss. She's human. I know the media and even some lambs like to see the Mariah of the early 90s but I don't ever think that was really who she was. She's been controlled by men her whole life and Stella might just be the friend who "gets it" and at the very least accepts Mariah for who she is and rather than change her helps her to live a fulfilling life . The latest oufits might be a little OTT but nothing unusual for her and when the occasion requires it she reigns it in and makes it a moment in her words. I think she's exactly who she always was and who she wants to be. I'm standing by that as a fan. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 23:40)

Re: The kids are not alright (68,133) (68,136) by B from USA Mariah's children seem like well behaved children. Mariah and Nick may have a lot of issues but their obviously doing something right when it comes to coparenting the children. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 23:28)

Honey (68,134) by Edouard from France Honey's just the best Mariah uptempo. Love everything about it. It's still so cool and relevant, from the song, to the video. I can't describe. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 22:52)

Re: The kids are not alright (68,131) (68,133) by RibbonB from USA Allison should deal with her life and issues. Morgan should deal with his life and his issues, but both try to paint themselves as tragic heroes while dragging their little sister down when they are not getting her money. We are all products of our childhoods and upbringing and everyone quoting Mariah, yet discounting her accounts is being a little contradictory. We all know less about Mariah's childhood than she does, that is a fact. Allison and Morgan are like crabs in a barrel, who can't believe the littlest one that could is still going despite their best efforts to bring her back down and eat her alive. That is how they come off to me. I don't agree with everything M. has done with her career, but she knows from whence she came and she keeps moving and plugging ahead despite their petty, and even cruel jabs. They were the older siblings, but look how f'd up their lives are, still mad that their little sister survived and shot into the stratosphere. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 17:34)

Re: Mariah's family (68,120) (68,132) by RibbonB from USA Aww, I do miss her interviews from 2008-13. I just re-watched her 2011 interview with Rosie. She was so happy, relaxed, lucid, fun and sweet in this one. Dem Babies were just little nuggets. I love how Mariah recounts her childhood and how funny Rosie actually met her when she was a young child. I wil be happy when Mariah gets back to less stiff and or staged interviews. I love she is more relaxed and telling her life stories and having fun in interviews. Please, I hope she does something with Oprah very soon. Masterclass with Oprah would be epic, when she gets off of this extravagant, exhibitionist era perhaps. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 16:49)

The kids are not alright (68,131) by Lila from United States I haven't been on this board to know if The Truth is a troll or not and I don't know what all the talk about Morgan is but I certainly agree with him on that, most of the horrible things that happened to Mariah's family, that Mariah has recounted, come from stories that she was told, not events she witnessed firsthand and would have been affected by. Mariah was three by the time her parents split up, her mother constantly moved her around, and yes Mariah was light enough to pass for white. I think the only thing that was first hand was her saying that Alison would get beaten up because she was the darkest. I, personally, am not giving Patricia or anyone else credit or explaining away things that can't be explained away and shouldn't be explained away, or given a pass, simply because Mariah can sing. The problems that Mariah and her siblings have, do not seem to stem from being biracial or any hardships associated with it and they're not the first people to go through hardship (nor the worst). Mariah is deep in many ways, her music proves that, but she's also childish in many ways. She constantly displays behavior that says that she's suffering from lack of a father figure. She's sexy but it's a sexy that is seeking male attention because she needs the validation. Not to mention, the fact that she's said in the past, that she's had older boyfriends from the age of thirteen onward. After Mariah's father died, she had this to say: "When you grow up with one parent, you get one side of the story. I'm not saying there was a deliberate thing that happened, but that's just the way it is." Mariah will allude to things but never elaborate on them but think it can be assumed that she found out that things were not all that she believed they were when it came to the reasons why her father wasn't around and they most likely centered on her mom. I've always thought that Mariah's saying that Patricia would have her around her friends and call a little adult was off putting. Patricia worked three job sometimes but from what I've read she also refused to get a so-called "regular" job that had a chance at actually paying well. I'm all for dreams and goals but when you have three kids something's got to give. Mariah was left home alone a lot - Patricia's jobs would require her to be there at odd hours, particularly in the evening and most of the time she couldn't take Mariah with her - and Morgan would dip out. I find it doubtful she didn't know that Morgan would leave as most kids tell you everything. Yes, baby-sitters are expensive but the bite the bullet or make your son act right but don't continually leave your child with someone unreliable. It's weird that she didn't take Mariah's education seriously. IMO Patricia didn't just have a do your best attitude, she just didn't care. From what I've read, the only indication came when Mariah got to the end of high school and I think that's because she just wanted Mariah to be able to say that she graduated, versus actually having learned something. Mariah is now repeating her mother's actions but with a bigger budget. Divorced when her kids were three, constantly moving around out of country, scheduling events on holidays and birthdays knowing (even if only unconsciously) that their dad won't be able to make it, does not take their education seriously. I don't think she wants them to be completely ignorant, don't get me wrong, but whenever Nick would talk about them doing something that would take more intellectual power and someone to have payed attention in math class, Mariah would immediately counter with them doing something in music. I think Alison is ... I can't even think of a word, however I think there's anger and resentment, from her, towards Patricia and I don't think Alison is lying about everything that has happened to her in her childhood. Something happened, something went wrong. Mariah's past has been told through a very rose-colored Rages to Riches filter. If that filter were taken away and an in-depth look was taken, I think it'd be a whole other story. Personally, I hold Mariah accountable because she has the time, money, and opportunity to go to therapy and get help for any issues that she has, her siblings the same. However, I don't think it's unfair to acknowledge where these issues stem from and IMO, that's their mother and, while most likely a lesser extent, their father. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 16:47)

Re: Patti Labelle to perform VH1 Divas Holiday special (68,118) (68,130) by TJ from Norway She didn't lipsync back in 98 when she sang with Aretha, but they dubbed Mariah's voice in that performance. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 16:38)

Re: Patti Labelle to perform VH1 Divas Holiday special (68,109) (68,129) by TJ from Norway Hahaha. I got this cartoon with her blowing off stage, in my head. Made my day, and I looked like a fool, taking the metro while laughing. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 16:35)

Re: Her marketing (68,105) (68,128) by Adam from Usa The public is very fickle and has an incredibly short attention span when it comes to celebrities. Mariah is no different. I believe she is one good performance away from being loved again by the general public. I have hope that she will indeed knock her performance at Divas Live out of the park. She almost has to if her "godmother" Pati is with her. Mariah truly respects her and I feel like Pati is the kind of person to smack Mariah up side the head and get her back to where she needs to be. I like many have questioned her choices as of late but I will not give up hope for someone I have been a fan of for most of my life. She has been there for me when I was at my darkest and I intend to be here for her. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors and we may never but that's not our business. Much love to everyone on this board. I feel like without everyone's opinion this board would be nothing. I appreciate everyone's post from the good the bad and the down right negative. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 16:06)

Re: Patti Labelle to perform VH1 Divas Holiday special (68,112) (68,127) by RibbonB from USA Oh this should be epic and it is about time they start featuring the real divas and legends. The past few year they have been faking it on these shows. Sing Mariah, sang Patti. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 15:53)

Re: Mary J. Blige's Thick of It video (68,113) (68,126) by RibbonB from USA The black shorts and NY cap though. Good song though and glad she achieved a number one on the r&b charts. Fastest in 20 years I have read. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 15:52)

Re: Mariah's family (68,116) (68,125) by RibbonB from USA You are recounting rumors and myth about her childhood that you read on the internet or from gossip from other randoms. She is more the expert on her own childhood even if she did hear some of it from her mother or siblings and I am sure she experienced a lot of it herself. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 15:48)

Re: Patti Labelle to perform VH1 Divas Holiday special (68,112) (68,124) by THE TRUTH from USA Mariah when she brings her A game easily hangs with the divas and shines. Let's hope she remembers that moments like these are an opportunity to revive the legacy and reinvent herself. Send Stella back to Russia, lock the liquor cabinet, and seriously prepare for VH1. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 15:16)

Re: Mariah's family (68,116) (68,123) by JAXGH from United States You don't read very well. I literally said "before Mariah even came to the world". (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 14:51)

Re: Patti Labelle to perform VH1 Divas Holiday special (68,118) (68,122) by B from USA With Mariah and Patti they should add Tori Kelly and Kelly Clarkson. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 13:26)

Mariah Carey "C&D" (68,121) by T from USA I would love Mariah to eventually do a duets album, but also a covers album (because she has so many amazing covers). What better way to double sales then to do both in one amazing package, call it "Mariah C/D". 1. I Want To Know What Love Is (feat. Justin Bieber) 2. You And I (feat. Stevie Wonder) 3. With You I'm Born Again (feat. John Legend) 4. One More Try (feat. George Michael) 5. I Still Believe (feat. Beyonce) 6. Open Arms (feat. Celine Dion) 7. Bringing On The Heartbreak (feat. Mary J Blige) 9. Against All Odds (feat. Phil Collins) 10. Without You (feat. Kelly Clarkson) 11. Didn't Mean To Turn You On (feat. Bruno Mars) 12. I'll Be There (feat. Trey Lorenz) 13. The Beautiful Ones (feat. Dru Hill) 14. Endless Love (feat. Luther Vandros) 15. When You Believe (feat. Whitney Houston) 16. Heavenly No Ways Tired (feat. Aretha Franklin) I included "When You Believe" even though it's not a cover song but the duet is just too big not to have on there. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 13:06)

Re: Mariah's family (68,108) (68,120) by Malcolm from Asia 100% agree. She's not perfect like the rest of the parents in the world but you can't categorize her as a bad mother. Alison chooses that path and I do believe they all did try to guide her but probably it gets tiring as the years go by because in the end, no one can really help her but herself. Same goes with Mariah, but she is the closest with Patricia among the siblings, they had that special mother-daughter bond and you can't deny that in all of the clips and photos that they were together so she can really help her. Can't help but miss that 2010-2013 era where all of the happenings in "Mariah's world" were okay, stable, and genuine. (Tuesday 8 November 2016; 13:05)

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