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Shelly (45,551) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Yes. You are absolutely right, I completely forgot about the Cameron Diaz song. I think it was also partly inspired by the Jessica Rabbit one. But yes, I meant the same setting, the club like one. Where her love interest would come and she would be on stage performing and dancing with cutscenes of her on a piano like you mentioned. She can get down from the stage and sing around the guy too. Lol we should send this idea to Mariah. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 12:05)

Album art (45,550) by Dove from USA I feel badly about what I said about the album art. If I met her in real life I wouldn't tell her to her face that I didn't love it. I am happy and thankful to have a new album and the music inside I do love. I guess I just meant that the album art is not horrible but it could have easily been better. When I see her on T.V. she looks radiant and happy and I like looking at her. The person on these covers is almost unrecognizable to me, they don't capture her essence and look more like paintings. The Japanese version was the best but even that one looked too much like the Charmbracelet cover. The full body one is my second favorite because it's different. They're not bad. I guess I just like her candid shots better. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 7:47)

Oh silly Katy Perry (45,547) by Stacey from USA Katy Perry can say or do whatever she wants to MC these days. What she can't change are Mariah's accomplishments. Those are set in stone. Put aside all the chart topping hits spanning over 20 years, MC has sold over 200 million records worldwide. When silly Katy has hit that number, then she can talk #ish all she wants. Until then? Shut it, Ms. Katy. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 7:30)

Why does anyone even believe the Katy Perry feud is true? (45,546) by Alexis from USA To me, the songs have a slight lyrical similarity. But, as a songwriter, is apparent to me that both were still trying to be creative. The melodies are not similar at all. Sing any other lyric over that excerpt of Black Widow and it would not remind you of Thirsty at all. I remember when the press said Mariah was feuding with Westlife when she wasn't. To me, this is exactly the same situation and I don't see why people don't see it is fake. The "throwback" comment wasn't classy, but it's Katy Perry. I really don't think this is a thing at all. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 7:27)

In the midst of all the perceived "negativity" (45,545) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines While we're all still breaking things because of the unspeakably horrible way this era has been handled, let's take a moment to remind ourselves of just how phenomenal Mariah's career has been so far. True, many female solo acts have burst into the spotlight throughout music history, but only once in a blue moon has one exploded, attained immense fandom, and sustained the same fever pitch of popularity for at least over a decade. It's often forgotten that Mimi belongs to that elite league of women. Unlike Madonna and Janet who are famously adept at living off of controversy and being daringly innovative; Mariah, with Whitney, are known for their sheer one-in-a-billion talent. There's a reason why each of them has earned at least 10 #1s each. (Rihanna and Katy have only caught up because of today's single-driven industry, plus, I know at least 3 of RiRi's #1s were just her piggybacking on other artists' songs.) And that's just the achievement part of it - we still haven't gotten to their cultural significance and legacy. Nothing reaffirms iconic status as much as the ability to make an epic comeback, which they've all managed to do with varying degrees of success. On top of it all, nothing says legendary quite like not being able to imagine today's musical landscape without them. Just listen to the radio, their influences are ubiquitous. That makes me so proud to be a fan, knowing just how much of a rarity Mariah is. Inescapable. Forever relevant. There will never be another. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 6:37)

Summer Jam (45,544) by NYHotShotta from USA I thought this lil piece with Mariah was cool. I wish there was more. Just skip to 8:00. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 6:25)

No filter no cleavage (45,543) by Gloria from Hong Kong Guess those selfies on twitter are responding to some nasty comments on her image/magazine shoots. Without PS she could still be beautiful. I just love how she reacts to the so-called media. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 6:18)

KP article (45,542) by Jay from USA Katy trying to shade Mariah doesn't bother me as much as the writing alluding that Mariah is on the same level as Hilary Duff. They compared Katy destroying Mariah's career to Beyoncé destroying Hilary's career. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 3:53)

Orkun and Mimi L (45,541) by Dove from USA Orkun, don't worry about it and thank you. Sometimes I do feel badly for saying negative things about her, because I love her and I'm not trying to tear her down, but this is a discussion board after all. I know what you mean about the real her shining through when she's talking about her babies. That's the Mariah I miss too. I know she doesn't put herself out there for her own protection but I miss her. Mimi L, I like what you said about the little dancing part. At first I didn't because I was thinking of the dress she wore last year on GMA when she sang Always Be My Baby. The pink sparkly one that bust open. Most of the time I don't like the way those dresses look on her. They make it look like she doesn't have a waist. But the dress she wore around the same time when she sang Looking In looked a lot better. Maybe it's just the fabric. If the dress was more like that shape, maybe with a slit up the leg? I also think of Cameron Diaz's little sing and dance number in The Mask. I think MC was going for a 1988 theme with this album, though. I don't remember what the styles were then. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 3:01)

Where is the "You Don't Know What to Do" video? (45,540) by Eddie Childs from USA I can't wait for the video. Where is it everyone? Can someone check? (Thursday 24 July 2014; 1:57)

Katy P (45,539) by Ken from USA She will never be on Mariah's level. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 0:49)

Songwriting (45,538) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Aside from the vocal and creative maturity, another thing that has improved is her songwriting. I feel like present Mariah is comfortable with writing just about anything. To me, some of her earlier work (especially pre-Daydream) was too conservative, even contrived. While songs like Vanishing and VOL are great mature compositions made even more impressive by the fact that they were written by a teenager with a talent beyond her years, some of the lyrics of her other songs always seemed to come straight out of a Hallmark card only disguised by pretty melodies. She was at her best when she ditched all the platitudes and vague generalities and wrote deeply personal stuff like MIH. But as time went by, she rebelled more and opened herself to more opportunities to explore a wider range of topics and more varied ways of expressing them. She adapted a more vividly descriptive way of storytelling. She also incorporates more clever metaphors, allusions, name-dropping, colloquialisms, and even slang, which to some may be a bad thing, but for me makes her work more interesting and shows her versatility. Not to say that everything she picked up is great, though. I personally dislike her use of the term "boy". It's fine in small doses, but when used too much, especially considering her age now, it just makes her seem like a cloying cougar. Other than that, I'd say her post-'94 songs lyrically intrigue and challenge me more and just makes a lot of her old stuff seem banal in comparison. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 0:17)

KP (45,535) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Get a life Katy, just please get a life. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 22:54)

Shelly (45,534) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Haha, my ideas for Money are also very cheesy. The song is a cheesy one so it's not surprising. But I really enjoy the song, everyone sounds like they are having fun in it. As for MILG, yes the piano would go nicely with the 60s theme. She could also have some cut scenes doing a few sultry slow dance moves while singing, on a stage in a club like setting while her love interest looks on. Have you seen the Jessica Rabbit "Why don't you do right?" song? Something similar but definitely a little dialed down and a little more clothing. Since MILG is such a sultry song and we all know Mariah loves looking sexy, she can do the video like this instead of sitting in one place and looking at the camera all the time. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 22:54)

Thirsty single (45,533) by Dove from USA She should still make a video and release it as a single. It sounds better than that other song. I remember when Beyonce released Halo and it sounded like Kelly Clarkson's Already Gone. Kelly released it anyway and at the concerts she would make fun of the comparisons by singing a few lines of Halo and saying it was a great song. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 22:40)

Katy Perry (45,532) by Abraham from USA I think it's funny if Katy is planning something against Mariah. I'm sure even Mariah would think so too. You think she would feel threatened by someone like Katy Perry. I think not. Mariah has absolutely nothing to worry about. I've never liked or cared for Katy, or her music. This is a women who can't sing, once said that to her "JLo is Selena". Really?And called her own grandmother a b****. What Katy needs to do is worry about what little music career she has. And continue doing her. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 22:39)

Don't leave Mariah alone (45,531) by Orkun from The Netherlands (Webmaster, thank you for your 45,528 message. Perfectly said.) And Shelly, I feel my response to you may have been a little harsh. I apologize for that. The more I read you, the more I like you actually. I don't understand the messages that say, leave Mariah alone. She is alone already. Don't you get it? After her family and close friends, we, her fans, are the only ones who is real to her. I remember distinctively, during a recent pre red carpet show, she was being interviewed, being all Mariah as we know. But all of a sudden the adorable Dem Babies appeared from a distance (not seen on camera) and Mariah's face changed that instant second, very sweet, very fragile and her eyes were screaming "the only thing that's real", calling out to them saying "ohhh Dem Babies". I got teared up by that moment because it was pure. So lets not leave her alone. Once she finds her peace, she will come back to us and truly realize that we have been waiting for her succes and happiness all along. To me, if she ever goes on stage bare foot, even for 1 song only, it would mean "I'm back and I've missed you so much." Peace. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 22:25)

Katy (45,529) by Dove from USA I liked KP after I watched her movie the first time, because she seemed like a sweet person just doing her own thing, but then when I heard she wanted to mock her in her video it left a bad taste in my mouth. This morning I tried to watch that movie again and everything she did got on my nerves. That line posted down there is an obvious rip off. It makes me sad, why is everyone out to get Mariah? (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 21:59)

Re: All except what matters, shut down please (45,528) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I don't see anything wrong in discussing what's in the news. And clearly you don't read most of the messages, or else you would have noticed that most of us are very supportive of Mariah. And no one ever talked about Mariah being black or not. I don't know how you got that idea. And we are the ones who should promote Mariah's album, while Mariah herself is doing nothing? What do you have in mind? That we go on tv-shows to do interviews, or that we sing some songs from the album live? It seems you only want to anger some fans, so in fact you're just as guilty as you claim other fans are. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 21:47)

Katy (45,527) by B from USA Katy Perry is jealous of MC. She wishes she could sing like Mariah. She probably also wishes she could write songs without the help of Max Martin the mastero behind most of Britney's hits. I stick by my original statement when I first heard she was planning on mocking Mariah in a music video she's a poor man's Britney. What a joke. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 21:11)

All except what matters, shut down please (45,526) by Carol from Spain Why do you still fuel these arguments KP vs MC? It's pure rubbish. You are supposed to be a support page, not a negativity forum. All I see here are critics, attacks to Mariah and for what? She clearly doesn't care about what you guys think. I mean, talking about her being or not black, about her photoshop, about her voice, when all you should do is concentrate in promoting the album. Don't call yourselves fans because you don't even know what that means. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 20:57)

Mimi L (45,525) by Dove from USA The ideas I have for Money are too cheesy and cliché, I'm trying to come up with a better one. I like your classic black and white idea for MILG. When I hear that song I think of her on top of a piano like when she did YM(E). But I didn't like the dress she wore, I'm thinking a dress with more support. And the piano can spin like the spinning bed in Breakdown. Some parts can be of her in black and white with the old school microphone, like the picture that used to be on her website. I'm thinking about I Still Believe when she had the old school look. When she's on the piano it would be shooting her from the top, so it would mostly be the drama of her face that stands out. So when she sings, "Fantasize about the way you lick your lips etc." She would be looking up blissfully/lustfully thinking about her lover. Not directly at the camera. And without the slow motion that's later sped up effect. It looks weird. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 19:23)

Thoughts (45,523) by Dove from USA I like reading everyone's posts unless they're plain mean, constructive criticism is fine. Honestly, I just want one more hugely commercially successful era and I can die happy. I remember in 2005 even my then 13 year old cousins were into Mariah, one even stole all of my Mariah CDs. MC was already 35 then. Mariah still looks good. She can still make videos. There was a time when people of all ages listened to Mariah, she was the Adele of that time. I'm 31 and when I think of my peers, a lot of them don't have cable. Pretty much everyone streams through Netflix and Amazon Prime. Maybe she should do a film with music videos for all of her songs, or a documentary, and have them on Netflix. Katy Perry did this and it was a genius idea. She just needs to make sure she's presented in a positive light and that she looks the best she can. I watched Katy's movie and it made me like her, I even bought all three of her albums right afterwards, they were $5.00 each on Amazon. Almost all of Mariahs albums are $0.00 to stream on Amazon Prime and $5-$7 to buy except the new ones. The album is good enough to be wildly successful. I think when people see the album cover they're turned off because she looks worn out on one cover and like she's anorexic and being crucified on the other. The album covers are not very creative. Then they have an explicit label which would make one who doesn't know that it's full of the F-bomb and sexually explicit content. A lot of people don't care about that but a lot of people do. Then the videos, I liked them but a lot of people didn't. On FB when #Beautiful came out, people (friends and family) were saying she was trying too hard to stay young and sexy. I think it was the slow motion and faces when she's on the bike more than anything. I think the clothes were fine and the part where she's dancing is cute. Then YM(E) people didn't like that she was holding her boobs. I liked it, I thought it represented her being vulnerable and naked. I'm not trying to be mean. Just using this as a focus group in case her people do read what we write on these forums. Maybe she can have a Storyteller's type of Unplugged show and put that on Netflix. But only if she sounds good because otherwise people won't watch it. She sounded good on her Christmas special so I know she can still sound good. It has to be something people can and are able to watch over and over. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 18:24)

Fans and criticism (45,521) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines There are 3 types of fans on this board: the critical ones who can be quite pessimistic, the eternal optimists, and those that fall in between. No type is better than the other, we're all fans after all. But in this unprecedented messy era, I believe it'd be better for us to be one those combination fans who aren't hesitant to call out the b.s. but remain constructive and positive. Some assert that she has done this for over 2 decades and knows the signs of the times. While that may be true, the music industry is very fickle. Brutally so. Only time will show if still knows what she's doing, if she's actually lost and clueless, or if she's been in the game too long and has already gone weary of keeping up. And while I do agree that the real Mariah lies in her music, sadly, it has gotten to a point that her image affects the way her music is received. What use is a great album if, with the exception of hardcore fans, it falls on deaf ears? Besides, weren't Mariah's fans just as fervent as Madonna fans before? Are we just supposed to assume that they suddenly disappeared? Even in an age of declining album sales, such a steep sales drop from one of the world's biggest-selling artists signals that there is something wrong here, and it definitely ain't the music. It's hard enough that R&B and pop don't have the same strong and loyal niche markets as jazz, rap, and country music. Bublé, Eminem, and Brooks can release an album led by a weak single and still shift a huge number of units. 2010's Mariah clearly can't manage the same feat with a similar amount of effort. That's why there are a lot of suggestions in here of what Mariah should or shouldn't do - we blindly hold out hope that someday she or a member of her team would happen to stumble upon this board and maybe see what people who genuinely care about her have to say. Now even if she marches to the beat of her own drum, who's to say she won't take suggestions and advice from mere fans? It's true, we may get obsessively analytical at times, even going overboard and coming off as snooty experts on Mariah-logy, but it is all well-meant. Really it is. I don't believe anyone here, not even the most critical or cynical, is rooting against her. But just because we're more outspoken doesn't mean we're ungrateful. If you don't like what you read, then kindly skip to the next one or post about something else, but please don't tell us to shut up. Peace. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 15:48)

Ageism (45,520) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines With Cher, it happened in '99. Believe is a great song and deliberate obvious use of autotune was considered cool. Plus, music fans were way more accepting of aging artists back in the '90s. Even Elton John had a long-running chart-topper in '97. Since then, no other Cher or Elton song has reached the same success. Madonna, on the other hand, managed to have 8 top 10 hits since she turned 40 in 1998, five of them peaked within the top 5, and one of those reached #1 when she was 42; and she was 50 when she got her last biggest hit (4 Minutes, #3). That's impressive, but we have to take into account that we're talking about Madonna here, a brilliant mastermind in promoting herself whose "devil may care" attitude (which Mariah doesn't even come close to having) has more often than not worked to her favor. But Gimme All Your Luvin' hit top 10 mostly due to digital downloads. Airplay was poor. Plus, she had to feature 2 current rappers in it and perform at the Superbowl to achieve that. In the past 5 years, a huge chunk of the music buying public has gotten much younger thanks to digital downloads. These tweens, teens, and twenty-somethings would tend to gravitate towards artists of or close to their age because they can relate to them more than they do to older ones. The ageism is real. It's possible for artists over 40 to get hits; it's just more of a struggle. And the young artists may not be direct competition, but they do steal a whole lotta focus and thunder. (Wednesday 23 July 2014; 12:43)

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