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Hard worker (46,508) by LC from USA I just remembered coming across a quote from P. Diddy about Mariah and her work ethic that really makes me so impressed with and in awe of her. It was about rapping or helping produce on "Honey" (I can't really remember). He said something along the lines of how she gave him over 100 different tracks of her singing "Honey" in different ways just to make sure he had a variety to choose from, and because she wasn't sure which vocal of hers she liked best. Wow. I'm just so awestruck with how hard this woman works. Imagine that. Just one song and she had 100 different tracks. How much work and time does she put on each album? It's incredible. First, she writes, which is already awe-inspiring because a vocalist and megastar of her calibre could easily buy writing credits or just not write at all, but then she works so hard on perfecting every single line. She's just a musical genius. I also remember right after Whitney passed, music producers were praising how she was "like a laser" because she could sing her songs in one take. But to me, that's really not that impressive because Mariah could do it, especially in her prime, but she wouldn't because she wouldn't be satisfied with just one take. She is a genius. I love her so much. (Sunday 31 August 2014; 1:49)

Sorry typos and some mistakes (46,507) by May from Denmark At late night I write on the iPad so I find it hard sometimes to correct things, generally I review what I write but at night I'm mentally tired haha. Thanks for taking the time to read. (Sunday 31 August 2014; 0:46)

Maybe in the Phillipines (46,506) by May from Denmark this_is_qhm, men don't really have that problem here haha. A successful woman is simply that, a successful woman and it's a great thing. Nick always had a bunch of projects but I feel that since he started going with MC he started getting bigger ones and he just felt too tempted for to be on camera again and not just behind it. I agree with you that probably he felt inferior to Mariah, people would always call him "Mr. Carey" and such things, his twitter would be filled with things about Mariah from people and in every interview he went he was asked about Mariah and the Mariah topic alone took maybe fifty percent of every of his interviews haha. Maybe he felt small but I think that's an idiotic feeling. To even try to compare an icon and legend who worked for over 20 years and done so much in such time, with someone who all he was known for was a tv show in Nickelodeon and side projects that no one knew, obviously the money earned won't be the same, ever. Maybe you are right and his insecurities ate him. (Sunday 31 August 2014; 0:44)

Mariah is first (46,505) by Gilles from Malta Rank from the Time. (Sunday 31 August 2014; 0:24)

Benjamin / Nick can't handle her (46,504) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I agree that some problems in their MC and NC's marriage stem from the fact that he probably can't handle the fact that no matter what he does, Mariah will always be the one who rakes in the bigger pile of bucks. A lot of men have this macho pride. It's normal. In fact, it's a primal instinct that the man should be the one who provides for the family. Being able to do so gives the man a sense of superiority and accomplishment. With that taken away, the effect could be emasculating for the man. My theory is that Nick probably got to a point where he was tired of people commenting on how his net worth is probably just 10% (or even less) of Mariah's, so he started throwing himself into a lot of gigs to possibly "catch up" and prove his worth, making him "the abandoner" in Mimi's eyes. Marriage is a partnership, but he probably can't let go of the fact that whatever he makes by working hard is still gonna be dwarfed by what Mariah gets without even lifting a finger. So yeah, in this case, Mariah is the alpha. It's hard enough for most regular men who are married to more successful wives, so what more for "stars" who are married to certified icons? Ever since this relationship began, I always thought that the success or failure of it would depend on Nick's ability to accept that he'll always be the one the public will consider "who got lucky", not Mimi. Otherwise, this would probably end up like Madonna and Guy's relationship. And sadly, now it did. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 23:56)

MIAMTEC, the hit that never was (46,503) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I guess we can say this era rivals, maybe even surpasses, the Glitter fiasco as the most frustrating point of Mariah's career from a fan's point of view. But no matter how successful, disastrous, or lukewarm an era has been for her, she always, always came through with the music. I must say, though, that I follow a lot of artists and I've never seen such a consistent string of unfortunate events precede any mainstream major release. We all know about the bad career choices, the injury, and controversial performances, but it almost seems like there's a bigger, dark force that has haunted the album since its inception. Think of it, Thirsty was probably patterened after N***** In Paris, and now, another song song similar to it is already a hit. Supernatural may have been recorded the same time (or even earlier) as B's Blue, but since Beyoncé dropped earlier, now it appears Mimi copied her. Who knows, there might be other unfortunate occurences we don't know about. It's obvious this isn't her most commercial or most sonically cohesive record. It's also evident that it lived up to its title success-wise. But here's what I've just realized - for a project that has been plagued with bad luck from the start, maybe the real victory here is that it got released at all. Maybe the fact that it ranks among Mariah's best and the guarantee that it will be lovingly looked back upon by many a decade from now are just bonuses. I'll always be upset it underperformed, but I can get past that. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 16:54)

Giving love to the fans (46,502) by May from Denmark I think is great Mariah asking to the fans what songs they would like her to perform, but what's amazing is that she is taking out of her "crate" some good oldies. Mimi L. I thought slightly the same thing. Is Mariah reading some forums? Oh no, now I will suffer from "Mariahnoia" hahaha. If Mariah is truly reading this (fingers crossed) please European tour please (lots of exclamations). (Saturday 30 August 2014; 16:22)

Ariana etc. (46,501) by Shezz from Pk I just read something on twitter that caught my eye: Debbie Gibson tweeted "Props to Mariah Carey who clearly influenced Ariana Grande and set the stage for so many others." Nice to have a peer acknowledge MC. I know she doesn't need it or care but still. I actually liked The Way when I heard it because MC's influence was so strong there. But her not citing MC as an influence or inspiration annoys me. Maybe her producers got her to mimic MC's sound and she actually wasn't one of her favorite singers growing up. Who knows? I'm excited about MC turning to the lambily for setlist choices. HI hpe the marriage issue settles down/blows over soon. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 16:20)

Thoughts (46,500) by S from Now that Mariah didn't have much success with MIAMTEC I hope she finds a great management and works on something new for next year. After all she seems to have good luck when it comes to releasing a succesful album in the 5th year of a decade (Daydream in 1995, TEOM in 2005). I also hope she works on something special this Christmas to celebrate the 20th anniversay of Merry Christmas. With her marriage coming to an end, Jermaine Dupri quitting as her manager and her possibbly signing with a new label this could be an oppurtunity to start afresh, a new phase in her life and hopefully a happy one. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 14:16)

Mariah's eyes on us (46,499) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So, I see that there has been times where things discussed on this board (or probably other Mariah fan boards also) are followed by Mariah. I mean either that or it's just a coincidence. I don't remember all the instances but one would be where a lot of us were complaining about Mariah talking non-sense during interviews and right after that there was an interview which showed MC being calm, composed and with a sprinkle of humor, just the way we wanted. Then there is now the influx of posts with fans sharing their dream set lists here and most of us want Mariah to deviate from the (more or less) same set list she has been performing for years, and now we see she is taking it seriously and asking fans to choose songs she hasn't performed live or rarely performed. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 8:14)

On the impending divorce (46,498) by Andrew crisostomo from Canada, niagara falls I really think now it is just a matter of time until Nick and Mariah announce their divorce. I think they will announce it once AGT is done on TV soon and while Mariah is away on world tour, away from America. It's so sad though, it actually bums me out in my regular life. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 7:27)

Th First Noel / Born Is The King (46,497) by Mara from United States Ok so taking a break from all this other talk, I have been listening to MCIIY the past few nights. Yes, MC is the only artist that always seems to make me want to listen to Christmas music anytime. The First Noel is so beautiful, from the first few lines in the intro which leads to such a relaxing mood to the absolutely hypnotic Born Is The King. She is so beyond the word talented. It kills me how underrated she really is as someone else said. And then there is Christmas Time Is In The Air Again, how many artists now can create a song that sounds like it came out of the Nat King Cole eras of music? It is so beautiful and classy, especially the live version she did at the Tree Lighting. She looked and sounded amazing that night. I still would love to hear Mariah venture in a bit more to jazz. She has such a great voice for it. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 5:05)

I Still Believe (46,496) by Mara from United States One of my favorites as well. I like to say that I was a fan of Mariah's even before VOL since I used to hit record on my tape player every time Brenda K Starr's song came on the radio and sing over it with my "sound machine" lol then come to find it was our Mariah that was a backup singer on that song all along. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 4:51)

Fans appreciation party (46,495) by May from Denmark So lucky Michele. Since how long hasn't Mariah done one of these? I remember reading in the past parties where she sometimes would invite "lucky winners" or open for the fans (with limited entrance). I think that if she presents a new album in the future she should definitely do a "mini debut" of it featuring some songs live in a special "only fans party" hours previous the release of it. What a better way than showing appreciation for the fans who have been with her since forever and at the same time celebrating the release. Mega cool. If I could only assist lol. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 0:10)

The passage (46,494) by May from Denmark Deedre aka MiTodoChop, the media did blow it up in the way media does, but before Nick's dad deleted those quotes and other insults to Mariah fans (yes, he took the time to reply to some of them), the phrases were all there in the open, on public mode in his facebook for anyone to read and before the media jumped the fans were all over it asking him to take those horrible collection of quotes that he claims are from his book. (Saturday 30 August 2014; 0:03)

Lucky, lucky bastards (46,493) by nikki from usa MC is on fire on her twitter account. She's letting the fans choose between AYNAF and My Saving Grace. Side Effects vs. Petals. She's asking for fan favorites of her catalog and of this current album. She better come to the States. I don't see Nick and MC reuniting. Nick is now going out live on AGT without his wedding ring for 2 nights in a row now and MC added a tour date on Nick's birthday. I just hope those reports about him taking care of a mistress aren't true. If he fell in love with someone else than that would explain why they're not trying to fix anything. But, again, until someone makes an official statement we all got nothing. (Friday 29 August 2014; 23:38)

Wait and see (46,492) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I've had a feeling this whole time and I'm not convinced a divorce is a "done deal" the way the media is reporting. A rough patch, time to work through some stuff, some transitioning, and re-evaluating yes. But, the media jumped all over the D word from the get go, and it just doesn't feel accurate. It just doesn't. I also feel the media did twist passages from Nick's dad's book, to fuel drama about a "messy divorce" in the celebrity gossip columns. (Friday 29 August 2014; 18:12)

I Still Believe (46,491) by Michele from USA Great reading the love for this song. I Still Believe will always hold a special place in my heart because it is the very first song of Mariah's that I heard live with me in the audience. It was her performance on The View back on November 17, 1998, and I was in the audience. Very awesome day, and afterwards I got to meet her at Virgin Megastore to get her autograph, and after waiting in line for five hours, all I could say to her when I got up to her was, "Hi, Mariah." And we both had this awkward pause for a second, and Mariah was like, "Hi.... how are you?" Too funny. After that, me and my friend got into her #1s Fans Appreciation Party, where Mariah came out on stage with a huge cake and balloons dropped. Awesome day. Anyway, I Still Believe takes me back to that time and it is an awesome remake. (Friday 29 August 2014; 17:03)

Plot twist (46,490) by JAXGH from United States Hey lambs, just saying I don't think they will get divorced. Just saying, what is their "strong union" for? Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. [...] love will conquer it all which is what they have. God plays a big role in their relationship. They might be going through some adversity but hey who doesn't? I believe they will make it. Mariah knows deep in her heart no guy will ever top Nick Cannon. Same for Nick. Mariah is his queen. At the end of they day, the babies and the love they made will bring them back together. And TMZ and all these tabloids will look like [...]. There's a reason why Mariah is not saying anything because all these rumors are making them stronger than ever. Don't believe everything you read. Nick might have slipped but God knows those kids are too special to not experience the love of a full unbroken family. As lambs we should try to ignore all these false rumors and focus on [...]. Start ignoring the negativity. and spread the love of their [...]. Wooohoo Nick and Mariah [...]. This ain't no fairy tale or fiction, This is truly, ours for the eternity. There will be no end to our love story. (Friday 29 August 2014; 16:45)

I still believe (46,489) by Otti from Belgium Nice to bring this up. I always loved this song, and the video. I think it's one of her best video clip ever. The concept, her style, her beauty. Although it's a cover, she owns it. She sings it like she did write it. It was a huge success in the USA, it went platinum. I was so glad that she gave the single a full treatment at that time. When the album #1's came out, and I heard the song between her older songs, I always thought that it was an old song of hers, from her first 3 albums, because I didn't knew those albums at that time. Until I saw the video on MTV. Number 4 on the Billboard Hot 100, not bad for a cover. But I love the vocals, especially the fading part on the end, true emotions, like she sings it for someone special. Mariah Carey is still so underrated. (Friday 29 August 2014; 15:58)

I still believe In MC (46,488) by May from Denmark I love that song so much Abraham. I played it so many times along with Sweetheart in its days. I taped the video from MTV, the whole Marilyn Monroe look and theme looked so goon on her, I used to think "wow, she must be so sophisticated" hahaha, I was young and had huge admiration for her, it was the time where her gigs were big and she always had this sweetness around her face, dunno if it was the hairdo of the time or the simple clothes with some polished shoes, she used to look shy and I would play over and over again that high pitch laugh she used to have or do or whatever, it was so much fun. I love the "I still believe era". Uuuh now comes to my head teen vacation memories haha, thanks. (Friday 29 August 2014; 10:55)

Yes Marissa, pinch of salt (46,487) by May from Denmark I guess we all are informed with the latest, I mean, Mariah in the eye of the hurricane but sometimes it can't be helped, until Mariah comes out with an official statement people can simply opinate, obviously not taking for granted at all the gossip, it comes mostly from webzines and yellowish magazines. There is no denial that a lot is fueled from past things. I mean, at the end of the day, Nick Cannon did date Kim Katrashcan for like 2 years, and then he himself came out to say once that he thought Kim was a great chick and a smart business woman and then in 2012 he even added to his previous comments of how amazing is Kim that if it wasn't because she lied about the sex tape thing to him he would still be going out with her. He said that, while being married to Mariah already. So I guess the gossip sites can't do more than take old comments from Nick and add fuel to his recent comments about Kim. Slap hahaha, wow. So yes, you can't take anything that is being written as 100% true. But also MC has been photographed these last 4 days, in all those 4 days there is at least one pic of her showing her hand with butterfly ring next to her face, on purpose? I don't know really. It's all about waiting I guess. "Tiempo al tiempo" like hispanic people say. (Friday 29 August 2014; 10:50)

Andrew (46,486) by May from Denmark So after my "brief" (not so short lol woot I made it in just 1500 characters) comment about where it might have started all becoming more about "Mariah" as in... a more obvious way (with the titles and friends names, brand names she likes, etc.) this last album, was not really meant just about her, let's all recall that her album was going to have a different name that yes, if you know Mariah the title fit perfectly into this late puzzle but it was a title that anyone could have related to, that anyone would have embraced. In my opinion, she changed the album title not for the reasons given ("oh no, someone found out the album title and published it") but more because the situation in her life suddenly change and she was almost like making a statement with the title, the no promo, the nothingness that made the album that had huge prospects to sink. This album was going to be for everybody but it turned out yet into another personal project. Did people really needed time to invest in Mariah to understand Meteorite or #Beautiful? Clearly not. People loved #Beautiful, it was on the radio all day and were starting to truly accept Meteorite. Things simply died along the way. I believe in her future, there will be sells again, #Beautiful has shown that. (Friday 29 August 2014; 10:40)

Mariah's music (46,485) by May from Denmark While I can understand what you mean Andrew about the article in Time being poignant, there are a few things to take into consideration. Mariah started being slightly more personal in TEOM - and I'm still surprised she mentioned things such as "purple taking me higher"- but at the same time keeping the songs in a way that the general public would feel related to. Then came another one with an almost self titled album and this one was more for her own fun after the huge success of her previous one, and you can clearly see she fully enjoyed doing this one, it actually garnered her new young fans, I read from young ones as 14 years old say "I love Touch My Body and all the new stuff but I don't like much her old stuff, is boring," you can clearly see the big jump from the failed Glitter and the sweet revindication with Charmbracelet but then a total swift of the usual Mariah. E=MCsquare was danceable and fun with just some songs being cryptic. Memoirs was a music-bio of some aspects of her life, she clearly said was for the fans only so a lot of people might have felt like outsiders, still the promo was poor, the videos boring, UOMF video seemed like a Target commercial, the album had a couple of gems. Then it was supposed to be the big come back, which for different matters didn't happen, she filled it with her personal emotions once more but who can't feel related to some songs in the album. The album debuted 3rd she could have nailed it with this one it was worthy of success. (Friday 29 August 2014; 10:31)

I would give the world away (46,484) by Andrew from UK The Time article is poignant. And it probably goes to what realistic fans feel. We didn't buy everything and follow Mariah based upon the records, awards and titles. They were just a qualification of why our taste and ear was true and qualitative. The virtues which we extolled due to the amazing pop genius, truly resounding tone, vocal ability, lyrical genius and creativity, wonderful and humble personality had a defense in: "See. Look at the success. It's real. It's f'ing amazing, witness it. Feel it. Listen with me. Understand." Now every song, every album title, every nuance ("the fans will understand this line") is not sellable. People miss accessible music with an accessible persona and genuine talent. Mimi worked. Imperfect Angel? Fell into the "know-my-story" rubbish that people left behind. Elusive Chanteuse is beyond. The general public don't listen to Mariah Carey music anymore because, to listen to Mariah Carey music, you have to invest heavily in her story. You all debate her life, her divorce, her marriage, her kids as if it enlightens you as to her music. Great. But that's why she doesn't sell anymore. She is isolated and inaccessible. The Time article is really poignant. It's not selling out to give the people what they want. It's selling. People listen to good music without wondering what someone's pain is and "oh do we feel for them". It's not that I miss the records and awards. I miss it being... jaw-dropping and simple. (Friday 29 August 2014; 2:55)

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