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Oh wow, seriously guys? (47,206) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I am shocked and appalled by the comments here. I respect this board because it's a balance between MC's good and bad reviews, but wow I am really horrified by the amount of negative messages posted in the last 2 days. I don't think so many messages were posted when MC put out a stellar album just months back. I see many of you have many demands and I saw a particular post with specific demands, what I call the "I want her to. . . " post written by the lovely Andrew. Here's what I want from people being overtly aggressive, 1) I want you to remember MC has said time and again she doesn't prefer belting and hitting high notes on every song but she does it because that's what her fans always wants. 2) I want you to remember the fact that Mariah has been probably one of the greatest role models to younger girls and boys since she came out (no drug abuse, no drama). Yes she openly drinks a lot now but she's in her 40s, when she was younger she maintained a great image, something that can't be said about the "role models" of today. 3) I want you to accept the fact that airbrushing is mandatory nowadays. Nobody is claiming that Mariah on CD and album cover is the real Mariah, there is a reason it's called album art/magazine shoot and not candids. Even MC acknowledges it saying that the person you see on posters and magazines is not the real Mariah. I can assure you if she puts an unedited picture on the cover you all will point out her imperfections and complain about it. 4) You want "universal" songs? I say no. I am a MC fan because you can just hear her song and know it's her. "Artists" nowadays come with so called universal songs and people can't distinguish whether it is a Katy Perry song or a Rihanna song or whatever. I love and admire Mariah for her writing ability and making each song stand out. So no I don't generic songs from her. 5) You don't have to pity her and know her to relate to her songs. Mariah said many times she leaves her songs open for others to relate to it. When I hear WBT or Camouflage, I remember moments from my own lost love not Mc and Nick. When I hear Bye Bye, I only remember my grand dad not Alfred Roy. When I hear Side Effects I attach my own memory of being dominated not necessarily by a lover. I can go on. So I think her songs are very relatable. If you don't feel it, your loss. 6) It's embarrassing that she wore a gown to the subway? I guess she should come out of airport wearing a shell bikini like Gaga or walk around with squirting cone shaped bras like Katy? It's easy to sit behind a computer and bash a woman who has tried to please fans for 25 years ruining her prized asset (her voice) in the process. Yes there is vocal damage due to drinking but most of it comes from her sensitive chords and singing difficult songs for years. I am sure if you guys are asked to tell all these to her face, you all will just end up saying nothing and clicking a selfie, allowing her to stand on her good side. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:15)

Yokohama tonight (47,204) by ksquarred from paris Yokohama tonight. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:45)

Vocal decline / Edward (47,203) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I think it's apparent for all to see that Mariah's vocals are in horrific shape. Some may deny it, but I think a touch of honesty is in order. Edward, don't you find it interesting how a lot of people have picked up on what you and I have been saying for a while, and have now criticised Mariah? Yet, when you and I have done the same, for the same reasons, they hypocritically jumped on us. Unfortunately, that's the level of what appears to be the large majority of this board. Quite frankly, I'm sick of posting a message containing my opinion and then having to deal with ill informed, and to be honest, rather stupid people. At this point, I no longer have the desire, nor the inclination to post. If the webmaster could give you my email, it would be much appreciated. We can start our own dialogue there if you should so wish. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:44)

Vocal surgery (47,202) by Jono from USA I can see why Mariah would be hesitant about getting an operation. It's directly on her greatest gift and can be unpredictable. Obviously everyone knows what happened to Julie Andrews, but she was operated in 1997 back when technology wasn't as advanced. The most recent case I can think of is Adele, who actually sounds so much better post surgery. Her surgeon said that the voice being affected is actually really rare. Who knows, I just want Mariah to be healthy and would hate to see her voice abandon her by the time she's 50. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:01)

Seriously? (47,201) by Miguel from US What kind of fans are you people? Mariah has had great and bad vocal moments since the 90s. Remember Mariah's first tour? Listen to some of the audio of the Worcester concert. She does not sound like her Tokyo Dome concert in 1996. Compare her Rainbow and Charmbracelet eras. Her Charmbracelet era blows Rainbow vocally. Listen to "My Saving Grace" or her "Vision of Love" performances and you'll see how beastly Mariah's vocals were at that era. Then TEOM and E=MC2 and they were ok, but then MOAIA arrived. It was not her best, honestly. Though nobody liked that era, it was my fav voccally. It was raw. 2010-2013, she was at a great vocal state. Now, not so much, but who cares. I'm 16, and I'll defend Mariah with "My All". She made me accept myself and gave me the guts to live in a world full of negativity. Who are we to judge Mariah? We are nobody. Take a mic and sing in front of thousands of people. Better yet, why don't you express your negativity at Mariah's face? We, lambs, must be giving support to Mariah. Leave the gossips to idiots. I love Mariah, and even though I don't know her personally, I reserved a place in my heart for her. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:50)

I'll always be there for you M (47,200) by Dove from USA (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:26)

Surgery (47,199) by S from Well if there had to be a choice between her never singing again because of the current state of her voice or to get surgery on her vocal cords for her nodules, I guess the latter might as well be worth a try anyway. Adele had surgery on hers when she was a the peak of her album 21's popularity and it went succesfully as one can hear on subsequent recording like Skyfall. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:07)

Mariah, I know it's crazy but you still can touch my heart (47,198) by Dove from USA As long as I shall live, I'll hold you dear, and I will reminisce of our love (for you) all through the years; from now until forever, and ever, you will always be the only one. If you should ever need me, unfailingly, I will return and unburden your heart. From now until forever and ever, you will always be the only one. Never be ashamed, call my name and I'll be there. I'll reach out my hand to you, I'll have faith in all you do. I'll be there to comfort you, I'll be there to protect you, with unselfish love that respects you. I'm so glad that I found you. And after all this time, you'd think that I wouldn't feel the same, but time melts into nothing, and nothing's changed. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:06)

Reply to Marcel from Canada (47,197) by The Real Truth Hurts from United States First of all you [censored], how dare you steal my name. I've been using the truth hurts for years. Are you that pitiful you can't come up with a name for yourself that you steal someones else name? Second you're obviously not a fan so why are you here? Is your life that sad and pathetic that you have nothing better to do then spend your time going around Mariah's message board to spill your crap? That has to be the saddest thing of all. Get a life loser. Lastly you obviously weren't at the concert and you basing your crap on 15 second videos that people posted on Instagram. If you ever went to college you'll understand not every country has the same economy as Canada. The price tickets for a show for Mariah in Asia or Australia currency may seem a lot but if you do the conversion to it's the same price as other artists charge. (Monday 6 October 2014; 17:35)

Truth hurts (47,196) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada I support Andrew, Anthony and those others who've been loyal but realistic and are now suffering the "lambstampede" on them, the harsh attack by the lambs, those that live in utopia making excuses for so long. On MC's voice, is this new? No, it is not. She's having the same vocals (sometimes better) since late 97. Am I shocked? Not at all. Does MC deserves this? Yes. She does because she's been like this for 17 years now and has done nothing in order to get (at least try) her voice back. It's her life so she can do what she wants? Sure it is. Is she a pro by doing so? No, she isn't. Charging people for attending her "concert" and sing like that, half the songs lipped and the few she sang live were a disaster is plain wrong. She's said she's not a dancer, she's a singer and people pay to hear her sing. Well Mariah, then sing and sing well. You can't? Retire. Do something. She's always been money oriented, nothing wrong with that, so she's not moving from it. We're the ones who're wrong by paying for everything she puts out, the few of us that still buy her music. But to those that weren't aware of how bad her voice's been and just hear media and herself calling her "the voice" and went to her concert, she's disrespectful. Time has come and sadly but truly this is gonna be the treat by the press she'll get, the one she built. Hope she'd realize this before it's too late (if 17 isn't late at all) and come back again at least to close her career gracefully. (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:50)

Vocal solution (47,195) by JAXGH from United States Lambs know the phenomenal live singing 1995-6 Mariah never came back. After working at a non stop pace, an album every year, in the studio day and night, travelling and performing endlessly. By late 1997, her nodule fold has taken its toll. It was obvious as husky tone, hoarseness, vocal breaks and reduced vocal range started to happen. I know Mariah never really wanted to touch her God-given voice. But what do you guys think? If the nodules were to be removed, her voice would be stronger, fuller, less airy, more controlled, more magical. That Mariah might come back. It's safe to say learning to "sing" through vocal nodules is also taking its toll. Listening to MSG 1995 "Hero" to the one now really makes me a little sad. It's such a huge difference. I feel like surgery really will help. I know it's a huge risk as it is her a huge part of her professional career, but what else can do you? Vocal rest, vocal training, relaxation, aerobic exercise, and a healthy diet. Mariah pretty much did everything you can do. But the live golden "voice" never quite came back. Surgery is usually relatively safe. I'm sure Mariah's got the hook up with the best doctors. I am not putting her down please don't think that. But this is the only solution that might just save her career. What do you guys think? (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:39)

David (47,194) by NHYTG from nyc David, I just did and I was thinking the same. (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:12)

The supposed drastic decline (47,193) by David from Australia For the haters complaining that Mariah has lost her ability to sing and that she's going the way of Whitney due to one night's bad performance, please take a look at the second Tokyo show which she performed at tonight. That's all that needs to be said. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:43)

The Tokyo travesty (47,192) by B from USA Her voice isn't shot. This is nothing new. Her voice is fragile. Personally, I thought she did ok. She sounded heady like she has a sore throat or a head cold. She sang 23 songs that would exhaust even a young singer. Why the media is always trying to tear Mariah down is beyond me. She's The Voice and they can't take that away. Her voice will be a signifier of what a truly outstanding God given gift sounds like. Mariah of the 1990's will never be duplicated, sorry Ariana. Show some respect. Aretha's voice isn't what it used to be but you don't see the media telling her it's time to retire. Sad. How some if you can even call yourselves fans is beyond me. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:06)

Vocal coach (47,191) by ktktkt from Philippines This may sound really stupid but can a vocal coach bring some of her voice back? I've seen posts on YouTube saying about that. But IMO, she doesn't really need a vocal coach since she always has that impeccable technique and she's vocally gifted ever since she started. I'm not sure if it's her drinking alcohol or whatever that dries her throat up causing her to lose her fluidity when singing or probably aging. But it happened not so "gracefully" especially from her vocal peak (1996) then right after that the very obvious tired sound in 1998. How I wish something magical would happen again and bring her 1994-1996 voice back because she was fearless that era in recording and in live performances. But I have to say aside from the "voice" I'm happy that her face is aging gracefully and she looks exactly the same more than 10 years ago. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:01)

Stop the drama (47,190) by Marco from usa You lambs need to focus on your own lives and what's going on in them. Negative comments is negative people. (Monday 6 October 2014; 14:43)

Andrew (47,189) by Bill from the UK I don't think I've ever read such poisonous messages on here before in all the years I've been visiting this website. If Mariah does "go the way of Whitney" as you so eloquently put it, I would be happy that I was supporting her when she needed her fans most of all, as opposed to running her into the ground and kicking her when she was at one of her lowest moments personally. I would never speak to anybody the way you have spoken about Mariah. You can get your point across without being callous and mean spirited. Anthony believes your posts are a display of "love"? I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. You're just a troll and probably loving every minute of it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 14:25)

MCLAFAN / May (47,188) by Abraham from USA Thanks, I meant every word. May, I agree with the Whitney and Mariah comparisons. But it wasn't just the drugs that ruined Whitney's voice, it was the smoking. (Monday 6 October 2014; 11:39)

Billboard / so sad (47,187) by Marcus from Brazil It is so sad to see comments on YouTube for the full "Always Be My Baby" clip. Die hard fans that would've killed you if had said something negative about Mariah are now sad and disappointed. No, they are not putting her down, but they have come to realize Mariah has a problem she has to address. Nobody is buying the "she's getting a divorce" excuse. Some others are saying she shouldn't go on with this tour. That whole clip is unbearable to watch. God, please allow her to redeem herself on the next show. Mariah should sing not more than 15 songs. But songs that don't seem to be that difficult are giving her a hard time too. It is not only about the belting part, it is like she can't harmonize and everything sounds flat. If there's a time for Mariah to give up anything that might be affecting her voice, it is now. People are now watching closely. God bless her. (Monday 6 October 2014; 11:22)

Mariah getting panned (47,186) by Lee TS from USA Omgosh guys, the vocal issue is really making its rounds. I just saw a clip of ABC news The Skinny commenting on it. It's not just the blogs anymore like Perez and TMZ. Watch Wendy is gonna put it in her hot topics on Monday. I have to say the debut performance of the tour was a "complete and total mess, in fact". All you have to do is listen to I'll Be There and ABMB, she just couldn't pull through. I hope she was jetlagged, under the weather, or something. I mean, she did only arrive to Japan like a day before. I really hope she can "make it happen" for the upcoming shows. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:59)

No more Whitney comparissons plox (47,185) by May from Denmark Here is why I dislike people comparing both voices decline. I'm going to say it like it is. Whitney was a junkie. Period. She let herself be engulfed by that awful man she beside her and let herself go down the pipe. She lost her voice because of crack and other drugs, she didn't lose her voice because she kept singing her butt off, she didn't lose her voice because she went on with a strapless dress on stage on winter times or under the rain like Mariah has done. She lost her voice because of drugs, the ones that she cleaned herself for a short period of time to do a come back because she was living in a box in front of her ex-mansion and someone wanted to help her out and yet she fell again into drugs, did horrendous things on stage, like leaving the stage and the public in the middle of the concert and other things and we all know how she ended up, which I won't bring up to keep some decency for the great singer she once was. Mariah has other issues, she is not a junkie, she doesn't even smoke cigs, is clear that she has physical vocal problems and while she needs to figure out what to do now it bothers me that people say she will end up like Whitney. No (all in caps and with lots of exclamations). So please, stop comparing the downfall of Whitney with Mariah having some hits and miss. At least she is trying and hopefully she will find a way. I honestly think also that the jazz path is the way to go, even more fun reggae songs would do, she is great at it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:04)

Setlist (47,184) by MimiLamb from Germany Even though a part of me is thrilled to see this great setlist, I do think that this is where the problem lies. There are songs on there that we all know are too hard for her to sing live, so I would not have chosen them or change the key. This setlist is way too long and will give her problems in the end. She just wanted to make everybody happy going through her catalogue but with doing that she made it extra hard on herself to perform it night after night. I appreciate the effort and what she tries to do here, I really do but a part of me hopes she will change it up a little and even make it a little shorter. I have seen some short clips that didn't sound too good but I have also seen some longer YouTube clips that where fine. I'm waiting with my final verdict until I have seen a few concerts and good quality videos of her singing the whole song instead of a little parts that last 15 seconds. I must say I love the fact how she's using a big screen so everybody can see her, but also the cartoons and the private moments. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:04)

Just neutral but optimistic (47,183) by May from Denmark I'm not in shock about the fact that her voice has diminished but I was surprise at the current state of her voice and this is because her late presentations have been actually good, she has been singing good (can't say for her latest Meteorite one because it was playback), so I was indeed surprised when I heard her voice cracking a couple of times. I know that she does try her best, I know she wants to hit those notes but if you see her in those lives where she has this same struggles you can see her face, she looks up, sometimes she mumbles something to herself with the mic down, feeling frustrated for not being able to accomplish something that she could easily do in the past, sometimes she has this face like saying "dammit" and is more than clear her face shows how upset she feels when she can't do something. So she does want to do it, it just simply doesn't happen and maybe she is the first one in need of acceptance. She needs to accept that she can't do things that she used to before. I totally agree with some of the posters who mentioned that probably she does need to re-arrange some of her songs. Like I said previously, this last opening concert sounded okeish, because she sounded nice and sang well a couple of songs while completely missing others. Clearly a re-touching of some songs could do a big difference in the way she presents herself now at days. I don't think at all that she will lose value as a singer because changing the way some of the songs are written. (Monday 6 October 2014; 9:55)

Mariah can't win (47,182) by Danny Cedar from uk Mariah. If she doesn't sing live she's criticised, if she sings live she is picked apart and scrutinised. If she releases a brilliant album with great vocal moments people ignore it. It seems to me she can't do anything positive in the media/fans eyes. What we all should remember is Mariah is a performer and she's on tour, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to lip sync some songs especially as she is human. We know how long it takes for her to record an album and a song and all the nuances so imagine recreating that every night for an hour and half she's a perfectionist and she doesn't have the time on tour. I say give her a break be thankful she's actually wanting to tour because if I was her and I was getting this backlash as well as after my personal problems I would give it all up and think of some expletives to send your way. (Monday 6 October 2014; 8:40)

The art of criticism (47,181) by MimiLamb from Germany That her voice is not really helping her right now is not the issue, the issue is how some of you talk about her. Sure give criticism but please do so with respect, that is what some of these messages lack. It was the opening night, let’s wait and see what happens on the second or third concert. Some points I totally get and I agree with, it's the way it's written that really makes me upset. Sayings like I'm not delusional but I'm real, really now? Disrespecting and talking like she is a piece of *** is being real or being nasty? Nobody is forcing anybody to go to her concert or listen to the clips that are circulating. You think you help her by being mean? I don't think so, the only thing it does is make her even more insecure if she would read them. Again some people have great arguments without losing the respect, I just wished all could do just that. But hey congratulations, the fan negativity made it to the media so it has been heard, round of applause. (Monday 6 October 2014; 8:16)

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