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Still I wish that you and I'd forgive "each other" (47,734) by Andrew from UK Tommy's sabotage is well-documented. The guy is a bit unpleasant to say the least. I just wonder how the "posse" see it? Do they believe Mariah betrayed them? Do they consider her ungrateful for what they believe they gave to her? I have thought it sometimes when she makes comments about being "forced into jean shorts in a field" etc. This stuff made her career appealing and stellar. Yet the business management of it is portrayed as evil, usw. Perhaps it would have been better to have just acknowledge their assistance and move on. I don't think she was probably entirely innocent. What happened after the Grammys in '96? The point is: yes, Walter omits a lot of Mariah's contribution to the compositions or rather portrays her as his assistant a lot. However I don't recall many times where Walter gets credit from Mariah. Nor anyone other than JD for that matter. So as in everything there's a flip side to the coin. N.b. this is observation and speculation, this is not a condemnation. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 16:15)

Walter A (47,733) by Darryle from USA Since some people are on the topic of Walter A and songwriting credits I guess I'll share this. If you look at the Daydream album booklet there is a certain part in the booklet that says who wrote what and for almost all of the songs it says Mariah wrote them herself. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 13:31)

MC interview (47,732) by Billy from Greece (Saturday 1 November 2014; 12:27)

MC Thailand (47,731) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Does anyone have a link to the video of the Car Ride Medley performed by MC in Thailand? (Saturday 1 November 2014; 10:02)

My all (47,730) by David F from Mexico I kindly think that "My all in Bangkok" was well sung, she wanted to make the end similar to the around the world video you know from the 90's tour, but she yet had to slow the voice to the minimum and she didn't she moved it up. I think her last break up plays in her head and believe me when you love somebody so much it's hard to let go, that part is no longer your support. We have to put ourselves together. It's hard so damn hard but the kids keep her going thank God. Because a good lover keeps all the memories but suddenly in order to let go that person we have to erase them until we hurt no more. Anyway Mariah is dealing with a lot seeing her music banned from radio, it's unbelievable because she made very good songs and what is happening? But she keeps on doing other things like these new Christmas shows and the very successful Asia tour, thank God for that. But a lot of fans are seeing what goes within the USA music industry. This woman has talent in her hands, brain, and voice and those are the blessings that she may be hated for. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 9:27)

Talking about Tommy (47,729) by Lee TS from USA You guys have to check out Wendy Williams Halloween hot topics episode. Yes she has been extremely shady with Mariah this season, but she went in Tommy and Mariah's relationship. It was hilarious watching her take of the situation. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 4:40)

NYC show (47,728) by Mara from United States My 6 year old daughter loves Mariah's twins and is hoping Roc and Roe make an appearance on stage for the Christmas shows if they are really happening. Lol. It's funny she is only 6 yet all she says is how cute Monroe is and what a cute voice Roc has. Lol. Like she is so much older than them. They are little celebrities in their own right and it must be such a special bonus for people at her shows that get to see these two miracles. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 4:28)

Adam and Michele (47,727) by Mara from United States I am in for the NYC Christmas show. I can't tell you how excited I am about this, especially if this is an annual thing. My birthday is Christmas Eve and always have a special ace for everything all Christmas. This would be the best birthday gift. I would love to introduce my daughter to a Mariah show this way too. We were going to go to a Radio City Christmas show and I was in the process of looking for tickets, but hey who better to get you in the Christmas mood than the absolute queen of Christmas herself? Forget that other show. Michele what part of PA are you from? I am near the Scranton area. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 4:21)

Andrew (47,726) by LC from USA I agree with your post on Mariah not being able to let go of certain lip synced parts of her songs. Like, the first parts of the choruses of My All. Those parts are really easy for her to sing, as shown by her hitting the exact notes in later performances. Also, in Hero, when she's singing the long note in "the way", it's completely unnecessary because she sings the same note in the bridge when she sings "tear them away". I think what it really boils down to is that issue where Mariah is not confident enough to actually sing those parts because people want to hear those parts the way they were sung. It always frustrated me that Mariah would use pitched down versions of the studio recording of Without You in her live performances because those notes aren't hard for her to hit. But, we. Mariah has been improving tremendously and I am so happy for her. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 1:06)

Andrew / Tommy and his posse (47,725) by Edward from USA Andrew, I read Tommy's "Hitmaker: The Man And His Music" to have a better understanding about the development of Mariah's career and what went on between them. Even though the book is not centered on Mariah, it gives a good insight about the situation. It was interesting to find out what her reaction was to losing to all her Grammy nominations back in '96. The man had the vision, and the muscle/resources while Mariah had the talent/voice. It was the perfect combination. I wonder what would've happened had they not gotten involved sentimentally. My problem with Tommy is with the proven fact that he knowingly encourage JLo to use the Firecracker sample Mariah had already used on Loverboy, and not only that, the use of Ja Rule on a very similar song to "If We", and that's not speculation. Also it's a proven fact that sabotage Mariah's career using his power to coerce DJ's into not playing her, that was pure evil. (Saturday 1 November 2014; 0:15)

New annual Christmas shows in New York / sponsored by Coca Cola (47,724) by M from UK Damn I wish I was a New Yorker right now. The first annual set of Christmas shows in December are going to be amazing. Remember the Merry Christmas II You TV special? I think it's amazing that Mariah will be allowing fans to see her during her favorite time of year. Every year during a time when AIWFCIY goes to #1 every year and she's in the forefront of everyone's minds the entire season. Plus the shows will get things buzzing for a North American leg of the tour before she goes to Jamaica in January and rumored to be here in the UK Spring 2015. So much to look forward to, we should be celebrating. Also, happy Halloween to all the lambily. (Friday 31 October 2014; 22:40)

The Urban Daily (47,723) by M from UK Don't you hate it when a bored ass blogger makes a post titled "Why I may be the only person still rooting for Mariah", then makes an unintentionally transparent article claiming to be "rooting" for her, but then tears her to shreds for the sake of clicks. Yeah mate, you're the only person rooting for her when she's sold over 200 million albums to date and just ended 11 sold-out and packed out arena shows. Keep it moving trolls, there are more on this messageboard than I had originally thought. Good thing Mariah has better things to do than worry about that. (Friday 31 October 2014; 22:33)

All Walter wants for Christmas (47,722) by Andrew from UK At the risk if taking over the board again - I have no intention, let's not hate on Afanasieff. Or even Tommy. We will never know what went on. The woman is a beacon, as proved by the Minaj absurdity, and has a class for not reacting, a class we would all be better people for adopting. I don't recall MC praising Walter for his contributions. Although in her defence, the Proctor's Special: "I sing it and he plays it" (to paraphrase). It does genuinely now feel like Mariah was right about a so-called Mafia type existence (did he say something like "she moved away from *us*"? I don't care to re-read it). Mariah doesn't let people cover? Respect. But she doesn't praise him either. Don't you feel like they considered Mariah a silly little girl who left the protection of the "family" losing them their cut? Maybe. AIWFCIY is perhaps going to go down as the most genius construction of music in history long after we have all come to pass. Wish people "Mariah Christmas". And wish Walter well. (Friday 31 October 2014; 22:33)

My all / car ride medley (47,721) by Abraham from USA The "My all" performance was live. And she sounded great. That crack was nothing. It happens, but she made up for it with those amazing runs at the end. The car ride medley was also great. Mariah should definitely sing "Don't forget about us" more. Those whistles at the end are awesome. Try that Ariana Grande. (Friday 31 October 2014; 22:13)

The future (47,720) by Andrew from UK Mate, you are right: the attempts to cover up the lipping with the usual gimmicks is, ironically, definitely the biggest give away. The instant shift in behaviour and facial expressions, even though Mariah of course knows she hadn't sung that way since day one, suggests she may be embarrassed or nervous about doing it. Regardless, the parts I'm hearing her lip she's actually doing elsewhere. Is it a breathing thing? Does she need pauses for the muscles? I don't get it. She should drop the FLAB-style endings. Do we need massive powerhouse anymore? It's not even in fashion. Let's stick to the harmonies, that soul-depth tone, the party beats and the sentimentality. I accept now that MC concerts are very much nostalgia after 24 years. Run with it and do that well, no? It should be all about the party not the ridiculous notes. People don't miss nineties/noughties Mariah or nineties/noughties vocals, they miss the nineties and noughties. And she can bring it back for a party. (Friday 31 October 2014; 21:59)

Billboard article and Mariah's reconciliation with Walter (47,719) by ADAM from USA I loved the insight into the creation of the album and Walter's comments about Mariah's input and Tommy Mottola's wisdom way back then. We can all agree that Mariah was unhappy with Tommy's control over her, however I think we can all agree in hindsight, that this man was very smart to convince Mariah to record holiday music and choose the songs she did which made her a household name and legend. I think if Tommy wasn't involved and she had total control, the album would have never existed and if it did, we would not have AIWFCIY sounding as retro as it did which is the key to its success. I wish Mariah would get passed her grudges from 1998 and reconcile with Walter. He's said many times that she's wonderful and a great producer, composer, and vocalist. They make magic together and are my favorite producing couple of her entire catalog. I place them even higher than JD and MC. If it were up to me I'd trade "We Belong Together" for any other gem that wasn't released during the Music Box or Daydream era. I also hope that now that MC's has her own family, that she at least sends Tommy some flowers every Christmas for insisting she record holiday music because really although she has millions of records and 18 #1's, her best long-lasting legacy in music will be her contribution to Christmas. Everyone loves Mariah every December no matter if they think she's relevant or not and I think that speaks volumes more than any statistic. (Friday 31 October 2014; 21:23)

Beacon Theatre (47,718) by Michele from USA There is no word yet on the Beacon Theatre website of Mariah performing in December, so for now, I am treating it just as a rumor. But if it is true, Adam, I will go with you. (Friday 31 October 2014; 21:15)

MC's NYC Christmas show at Beacon, who wants to go with me? (47,717) by ADAM from USA I'm so excited Mariah's announced she's doing 4 shows at the Beacon Theater for December 15, 16, 18 and 20th. I'm flexible to go to any of these dates so it would be nice to go with another super fan from this message board. Unfortunately none of my friends are as big of fan of hers to want to go with me, so if anyone's planning on already going for any of these dates in NYC, can you email me at NY1COCO@gmail.com and we can coordinate what show your going to and chat beforehand please? Much appreciated. (Friday 31 October 2014; 21:02)

Walter A. / Ben M. (47,716) by Lee TS from USA I also felt Walter was a tad bit shady in the interview about AIWFCIY, but as a lamb I think we just want to hear all the praises of MC. MC also diminished Walter's contribution to the song when she told Andy Cohen she was stupid to give 50% of the royalties away. No matter what the story is, MC and Walter truly created magic together and they'll always be my favorite duo. It's sad that they can't move pass the situation and work together again. Walter has done well for himself and is a respected producer, he's still creating music with big artists like Celine and Barbra. I don't think Ben M. has done much of anything after Mariah and it's all thanks to his greed, having Mariah basically sign her life away. Those chapters of her life are closed, she put that wall up and walked the other way. I think what's important to MC is loyalty and that's why she always hit up JD when she needs to hit the studio. (Friday 31 October 2014; 18:40)

Wow (47,715) by Gilles from Malta Perfect medley. (Friday 31 October 2014; 18:18)

Andrew / addicted to improve (47,714) by Edward from USA Mariah's still lipsyncing here and there, but as her voice gets stronger, she's doing it less and less. Her voice has definitely improved a lot from the first few shows, to the point where she has included a few more songs in her playlist. My All, as easy as it may seem, is a very difficult song to sing. Let's give Mariah some credit. It's evident she's taken action to better her voice, I never believe the "She just had a cold" theory. Sometimes it is not only a confidence thing, but knowing when you can actually go for a certain note. As for covering her face or turning around when lipping certain parts, I agree with you. She could actually get away with it if she didn't do that. She's been consistent, and I'm personally happy with that. (Friday 31 October 2014; 18:14)

My all (47,713) by Jenny from South Africa I don't think any part of My All was lipped. Why would she lip the first chorus and then sing the belting at the end. She wasn't singing every word in the first chorus. She was waiting for the second verse. Maybe that's why you think she was lipping Andrew. (Friday 31 October 2014; 17:59)

Addicted to lip (47,712) by Andrew from UK I think Mariah is unable to let go of lip-syncing parts of songs completely. In that My All video down there, she does pretty well. I dare say it even sounds "good". But the first chorus is lipped, even though she was singing those notes in that voice throughout the concert. I think she is so lacking in confidence that miming is her "blanky". Why is she still lipping the long note at the end of the bridge in Hero? In other performances she's doing an equivalent note. This has to be confidence issue. But then the spinning around so the audience can't see it, putting arm in front of face must be equally as nerve-wracking/embarrassing, whatever the word is. If the Sisterhood of the Travelling Panties disagree that the above parts were lipped I congratulate them on their reverie. My point is that, by the sounds of other songs, what she's miming doesn't even need to be mimed. (Friday 31 October 2014; 17:02)

Christmas shows (47,711) by Lee from UK That poster for the Christmas shows says "first annual". Does that mean this is going to be a yearly thing that Mariah is doing from now on? I sure hope so. I would plan my holidays around this and go and see it every year. (Friday 31 October 2014; 16:49)

Why Mariah will never work with Walter again (47,710) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End He won't give Mariah her props (a.k.a. R.E.S.P.E.C.T.) for being the principle songwriter on their collaborations. Notice how he dodges even mentioning the melodies and lyrics Mariah wrote herself on songs like AIWFCIY in every interview he gives to this day. He makes it all about his own contributions and will even go as far as to belittle the greatness of the songs just so Mariah's talents can remain unheralded. Wally still makes it so obvious with his shadey comments that he was part of Tommy's clique that kept Mariah in a gilded cage for all those years. Anyone who thinks Walter winning his only 2 Grammys right after his and Mariah's professional and personal association ended, is a coincidence, is a fool. It's been established many times that Mariah is no one's fool twice. I'd much rather Mariah write with Ben Margulies again. In fact, that is officially my Christmas wish for Mariah this year. Just listen to him continue to evade giving Mariah any songwriting credit, like he's still getting payola from Tommy, in this video from last year. (Friday 31 October 2014; 15:59)

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