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My part (44,239) by Adam from US New member here. I feel like I've done my part. I've promoted Mariah on Facebook. At work. To my friends, family. I have downloaded the deluxe version. Bought the Target edition. Bought physical copies of the explicit deluxe and regular and the clean deluxe and regular. So, I've spent roughly $98 on her CDs. Which is a lot. Granted, not the $1,200 the fan spent on the plane ticket. I'm very disappointed Billboard says her sales are expected to be 65,000 or so. WTF? Has an album ever been that low in sales? Her MCIIY sold 56,000 but that's a holiday album. I am shocked at this low number. I felt for sure she's a lock for #1. Anyone else bummed? (Thursday 29 May 2014; 3:50)

Track-by-track thoughts (44,238) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines C. - Heavy start to the album. The vocals kick in and you know she means business. F - Would not have sounded out of place on MOAIA. "Echo" would have been a better title, though. D - A little bit too on the nose with the nostalgia concept, but works well thanks to the laid back vibe. #B - Flows well with the overall vibe of the album. Most commercial song. T - Sounds straight out of TEOM. The harmonious refrain saves it from being monotonous. MILG - She rarely does doo-wop, but when she does, she nails it every time. YM(E) - Has atmospheric quality that's reminiscent of MOAIA. YDKWTD - Single material, but sounds too sophisticated for radio right now, even with disco throwbacks being in vogue. S - Dembabies are cute, but there's a bit too much giggling in the song that somehow distracts from a stellar vocal performance. M - Another potential single. Her first song in a long while that, even in its original version, already sounds like a remix. C - While the staccatto singing in YM(E) lent a hypnotic effect, here it gives a subtle sense of pleading and longing. M($*/...) - Breezy jam that sounds like it was lifted from Charmbracelet. OMT - Lacks emotional depth of the original. A commendable technical effort, but sounds too pretty to be believable. H(NWT/CGUN) - Would have done much better without the background beats. Her best attempt at gospel since Fly Like A Bird. TAOLG- Would've been a perfect closer to the album only if it didn't already follow two long closing ballads. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 3:29)

I don't, old fans like me (44,237) by javier from chile I was 14 when I heard VOL, I became an instant fan since then, even when I couldn't understand a word of English. I'm 38 now, I still 100% get and support Mariah. What happened to the other fans? It's like they had a crush on her early style of music and never really understood Mariah Carey the artist. MC already wrote many songs like Butterfly: verse, chorus, vers 2, chorus, bridge, final chorus. She might want to try new types of composition. Maybe she believes in following a melody where it leads as a more creative stand for ballads. She maybe understood that she doesn't need to use a thesaurus to be able to express her meaning, she transferred that complexity to her layered voices and runs. The woman is an artist and some people want her to be a music technician. Besides, we can't expect Mariah to have the voice she had in her 20s (because her voice is fragile and she has nodules) but she still has one of the most beautiful, characteristic, complex voices in pop. Can you grasp that? I have even read people saying that she lost her voice 17 years ago. She lost that voice that was ten thousand times better than all other voices yes, but she still has a voice that is one thousand times better than most current singers. Wouldn't you consider it unfair if 25 years into your career you boss would scorn you and made you feel unworthy becasue you are now just 1 time better than the rest and not 3 times better like 25 years ago. Shame on you people. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 3:03)

No Marcel, no (44,236) by Tarraga from New York City You can't say that the majority of people that love the "late" Mariah became fans after Charmbracelet. That is not true at all. If you read my previous message on here you would know that I have been a fan since 1990 and I absolutely love the "new" standard Mariah as you call it. I know lots of people that became fans with Rainbow or TEOM that then would discover the "old" Mariah and were not thrilled, or people that became fans in the 90's but prefer the "new" Mariah, so what? You can't judge people with such unsupported thesis. That's ridiculous. I respect everyone's opinion but when someone tells such nonsense I get irritated. Stop the negativity. Thanks. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 2:50)

Anthony and Marcel (44,235) by Randy from USA Anthony, your reply was awesome. I guess I will agree to disagree with you because you speak so intelligently and aren't coming for me. Marcel I think MC released some amazing material post Charmbracelet so I have to disagree with you. I do think we're outnumbered here as far as not liking the album so that's good for MC at the end of the day. Even my friends like the album and don't understand my position so I guess I'm an outsider. Good luck MC. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 2:44)

The reality of what is going on with MC (44,234) by Luke from italy Lately I found myself scared and excited at the same time when Mariah is about to do something. I say scared because her marketing is completely wrong. Her image is totally OOC, an this is not about being fat or slim, it's about the actual artistic direction of her whole look, starting with the styling, photoshop use, and performances set. Basically the whole art direction around MC is dragging her into the "not cool" box when it would be so easy for her to be in the "cool" one. Not to mention the singles strategy: completely wrong. This said I love almost every song on MIAM, but I also wished things were different for Mariah. Since she dislocated her shoulder her relationship with Nick looks different. His involvement in MOAIA was a lot, in this one it feels like she barely let them babies say "daddy" in Supernatural. Also it's impossible not to think about Nick while listening to Thirsty (worst single choice ever after You're Mine). Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for that because every time Nick was involved in Mariah's music things looked like he was trying to pimp her out without a real high standard, in one word: cheap. Musically speaking MIAM is better than MOAIA and E=MC2 and it takes me back to the real Mariah but at what expense? [censored], as in post Glitter era and her interviews are... well over the top to say the least. It's time for some damage control, label change and someone like Benny Medina to get her back on the cool track. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 2:38)

That's what people don't get Randy (44,233) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada No one try to impose an idea, you and I as the rest are stating our opinions. You've just said that it isn't to you on the same label as some of her previous work, something I agree with. To me, Butterfly back in the day was a total bore, then I happened to love it. Not the best (to me) but love it. The lyrics and prod are on top. Her voice is although barely heard, still in great shape when it showed. This album to me has not any "grown MC lyrics" and her voice obviously is not on top. All the songs have the same sort of beat like JD applied the same script after he got the songs like on Meteorite. It doesn't sounds like the same MC. To me me Meteorite is more GaGa than MC if we're going to extremes. And about the silver thing and others, first I didn't say that then, the 17 years ok, you can't get it because it's not like I'm just "waiting for her for 17 years". I have a life and live it and if MC happens to drop new music then I turn to her to see what's up and then I'm like "ok, nice cut, nice track, it's fine" but have never been amazed as I used when she used to write incredible lyrics and sing with a polished voice. Some or a lot of you have been fans since Charmbracelet or so, that's why I can get you like this, since you grew up listening to her "new" standard. It's different when you grew up used to the previous standard and then this. It seems like "lets finish the contract and stay present without doing much", at least to me. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 2:29)

I love the album (44,232) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I've listened about 4 times through and I think Mariah put together a solid gem. Even as someone who doesn't always groove to her heavier hip-hop influences, there's not one song on this album I would skip over. Yes, her voice may not have the fullness it did 20 years ago, but she can sing. There's no one who can sing like her. Cry sounds like it could have been on Music Box or Daydream vocally. Faded is catchy. Dedicated is so much fun to listen to. Thirsty hooks you in, Make It Look Good is happy and perfect for summer. I don't know how one wouldn't get that chorus along with Stevie's musicianship stuck in their head. YDKWTD is pure fun. How do you not tap your foot to that? Lol. Heavenly is off the charts fantastic - wow. Talk about throwback to 1994. I might even like it more than FLAB which is really saying something. I'm a huge George Micheal fan, and I'm stoked she covered One More Try. I wasn't expecting it to sound like his version. As for the charts. I really have no clue. I'm just happy the album is so solid. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 2:20)

Me... I Am Mariah (44,231) by west@MC from Philippines Well definitely this album is a meteorite. I'm going to buy it today after work. [...] Forget the haters, they will never count you out. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 2:01)

What's with all this negativity? Andrew Crisostomo (44,230) by Tarraga from New York City I have been a fan of Mariah since 1990. I'm 33 years old now and, like Mariah, I have evolved. I don't know if I am a die hard fan, a regular fan or a lamb, but what I know for sure is that I love this woman so much for what she did in the past and still does in the present. Her voice, no matter what the state of it, still is the most beautiful voice in the world, and it shines in every genre she does. If Mariah had kept doing the same big old ballads or big old pop songs people would still complain and accuse her of not evolving. Then, Mariah's voice and music evolve: what do you want from her? She still makes great music and I am positive that she can belt like back in the 90's but she doesn't want to do that anymore nor collaborating with Walter. Why can't some people accept that? Leave the woman alone and if you don't like anything that she does anymore, stop spreading negativity because fans like me, that have been loving the woman since 1990 don't really like negativity. Andrew, I agree with you about Dedicated. It became my favorite song of the album. It is so incredibly amazing, timeless and so 90's. It's on repeat all day long. Lol. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 1:54)

Randy (44,229) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales I feel many songs are comparable and even exceed some of those you mentioned. I love those songs you mentioned. They have a very special place in my heart as I'm sure they do to many people. You're just still not getting it. This album does not sound rushed, it does not sound juvenile, it does not sound throwaway. It sounds exactly like Mariah and like a Mariah who has taken great interest in the product. The textures in these songs, the minor details, the high notes, the sound effects, the experimentation in this album all screams a Mariah who continues to explore and discover not only her own voice and musicality but also a broader musical landscape. This album sounds like someone growing and flourishing. So I'll respectfully repeat - I get that you aren't a huge fan of it. But there is no evidence and no fact that this is an unfinished, flippant effort. None whatsoever. And I can't help but feel affronted that you keep banding around this notion that what you're saying is the truth. And may I point out, I don't like music because I'm "optimistic" (I don't even know what that means with regards to liking something). I like it because I enjoy what I hear. I think most fans are way way over a smash hit number one album. Most of us just wanted something incredible and I think a lot of fans feel that's what they got. I feel she probably does want to get out of the label, however that doesn't mean she has delivered a sub-par product. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 1:31)

Coldplay (44,228) by enwar00 from usa Coldplay's Ghost Stories is projected to be #1 again next week, and Mariah at #2. Aww. I guess I should buy the album this week for sure. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 1:13)

Bill from UK / EP eligibility (44,227) by cBerr from Canada Thanks for reminding me about "Unplugged". While I did completely forget that it was also an EP - I still feel the same way. EPs are not albums - by their descriptive name alone. They are Extended Play(s) and not Long Play(s). The Billboard 200 is an albums chart. And like I said previously, this has nothing to do with MIAM specifically. I am simply bringing it up because multiple websites/headlines are reading that he is "leading the album sales charts" and it is not fair to those artists who have recently released an actual album (probably of better quality music to boot). (Thursday 29 May 2014; 1:00)

Anthony and Licia (44,226) by Randy from USA Since I'm on vacation, I have time on my hands to debate this. Name one song on this present album that is as poignant lyrically as as Right To Dream, Petals, Butterfly, My All, Outside, Close My Eyes, Looking In or Languishing. I did not say if you liked the album you were forcing yourself to. I was making the point that many fans are overly optimistic and love MC so much that they will like anything she puts out. This is the same board that a few months ago had a member say she could burp on top of a beat and he would buy it. I'm not saying that the album is bad or you shouldn't enjoy it. I'm saying it's not comparable to her previous work. If you like it, amazing. I also pointed out the opportunity to promote this album has been thrown away. And there is probably a reason why. No one discussed that point. Her own website is not promoting the album, it lists her last album under the music link as MCIIY. In addition, TAOLG is really about IDJ not fans who loved previous MC. She does have ballads on this CD. She has said many times she would never abandon her ballads as they are a part of her. She doesn't need Walter A to craft a ballad. I bought the album for $20 full price at Best Buy. I will download Cry and Camouflage on my iTunes and the rest will sit on a shelf collecting dust. I'm waiting for you to point out any song comparable to the above ones. This is a "get me off this label" album. She's done it before. She just did a better job last time. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 0:18)

Article from this day in 1990 (44,225) by Michele from USA I always scroll through the "this day in history" archive on this site, and I read one from this day back in May 1990, when Mariah was filming the video for "Vision Of Love". Look at the description of her: "Now, on a Saturday afternoon in May, on a soundstage in Long Island City, Carey stands on a 40-square-foot platform looking both young-girl gangly and young-chanteuse sexy in a tight black off-the-shoulder Norma Kamali dress." Young-chanteuse. How fitting for today. (Thursday 29 May 2014; 0:08)

Randy (44,224) by Musti from UK I disagree with you that MC is not present on the album. The more I listen to it the more I'm getting a Butterfly feel from it. It's packed with artistic songs, almost entirely lacking in single material, ala Butterfly. I personally love the whole thing. I felt the same about Memoirs when it came out, though now I can see its flaws in retrospect. Perhaps evetually I'll feel the same about MIAM but for now I'm far more satisfied with this than I ever was with Memoirs. However I do agree with you that the lack of promotion and Mariah stating herself that she's not about the "single situation" (no single, no video) probably indicates that the relationship between Mariah and Def Jam is completely strained. I don't think they want to invest a single penny in this album. Perhaps Mariah was aware of this all along, so why bother making an album filled with potential singles that will never see the light of day. Nevertheless, I'm very impressed with the quality of her expression and the album overall. She finally sounds like a grown woman. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 23:59)

Scratching my head / WMA (44,223) by Licia from USA So if I like any of the songs one Me. I am Mariah I'm forcing myself to find a silver lining? Oh ok. That is a heck of a theory. God forbid any of us just might actually like the songs. Lol. Moving on to the other stuff that has me scratching my head. Now I can understand waiting a year or two for an artist to get their stuff together to my liking, but I don't see myself going through another 17 years and I'm still not happy with the music. Makes not an ounce of sense. Lol. Anyway the WMA awards will not be airing tonight for the American fans. They aren't really saying why. They said that Mariah arrived 4 hours late and if she did that was wrong, but I don't understand how that would keeping them from airing a prerecorded show. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 23:42)

Sales (44,222) by G.G. from USA I saw somewhere that first week sales predictions are 60-70 thousand. Is this true? That's low. MC and her team to promote the hell out of this album starting now. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 22:32)

Confounded by Mariah (44,221) by nikki from usa So excited to see 2 awards in her hands, that means she won something else last night. Yay. Mariah wants to be seen as a true artist. A writer/producer. She references Marilyn Monroe as a brilliant woman, and she was, but this isn't the 1950's, 60's, or 70's. Women can do things now. Playing up the diva gimmick isn't doing her any favors with being taken seriously as an artist. She rarely talks about business or candidly speaking about her creative processes to the general public. If she did that people would take her more seriously, so when she does the diva thing it would be seen as a playful act rather than her true personality. This album isn't going to do much and it has nothing to do with quality. It doesn't matter who you are, anyone who continually pushes back their album is met with poor sales. Not actively promoting it just makes it worse. I agree MC is doing more behind the scenes things and just wrapping up her deal with this doomed label. Can you believe she's been on it as long as Sony already? I'm hoping after this she just develops her own or goes independent. Then, we'll see some promotion. Eminem's album sold over 700,000 copies for the opening week, so numbers are still very much possible today. But, MC was pretty clear about that not being her #1 priority with this project. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 22:31)

Randy / Marcel (44,220) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales Ok, I get that you don't like it. But going as far to say that we're looking for a silver lining to every song, like we're making excuses? It's too much. You don't like it or think it's below par that's fair enough. But please, enough now trying to justify your dislike for it and also trying to demonstrate how Mariah didn't really bother with this album almost so you may come across as "right". The simple fact is many many people, namely her fans, love this album, to hell with sales etc. And owning and listening thousands upon thousands of times to her previous albums, we are allowed to think that this and some of the songs are incredible and her best. I'm sorry to address you directly. I can take you not liking it, I respect that you don't like it, but trying to find "scientific" reasons why your opinion that's it's not good is the right one is a little insulting. I'm 25 and have been with Mariah since 2012. Might not be as long as some of you lot, but she was the first artist I discovered on my own, and I have been a die hard lamb ever since, listening to everything, and importantly not liking everything she has done (for me, Rainbow sounds her least inspired and remains the least listened to album of hers). Marcel, I feel like your negativity has reached new lows, and I would politely invite you to "be nice or leave". (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 22:10)

Lol dear webmaster (44,219) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada I knew you were writing back. Well, if we're getting that specific then I have to say that I am not a "fan" since fan derives from fanatic and hell I am not fanatical at all. But I follow MC and her music and am always willing for her to recover and to amaze me as she used to. It sounded rude to me like her routine of back in 98 those days you remember well when fans were jumping-out her wagon massively and she was like "if you like me fine, if you don't good-bye" and her "I hate Hero but I have to sing it" and all that stuff when she thought she's about to become the hottest hip-hop female star out there and sadly to her it never happened. Finding negativity is easy and denotes a negativity as well, because if I said I like the album, I like some songs I acknowledge she tried her best but am not amazed at all and then you only pick on that comment, then I wonder who the negative person is. Ok, this is a MC board so saying positive things is for granted. I live in denial and you use portray a pic of the "fake Mariah" (remember those arguments as well?) because her new back then "lambs" said you were a hater because liked "fake MC" (the girl next door image, big voiced Mariah) and were a fan sorry lamb just if you enjoyed her wild (to her then standards) image. Funny it seem now I have to hate Walter in order to be a MC fan. I'm not a lamb, sorry but that's derogative and sounds like someone that blindly obeys and follows like a sheep. I was one of the first to say I liked MIAM. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 21:48)

17 years... you have to be kidding me (44,218) by Marissa from USA I can't even fathom the fact that someone doesn't think Mariah hasn't put out anything great vocally since 97. What about WBT, Mine Again, DFAU, Fly Like a Bird, O Holy Night from MCIIY, etc. I'm just baffled right now as to why you would stick around as a lamb. Not trying to be negative, but her voice is only going to either stay the same or get worse as she gets older so why even stay tuned to her musical career? After all the great stuff she has put out I think it's official that you'll never be satisfied with anything she does musically. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 21:37)

Dedicated (44,217) by Andrew crisostomo from Canada, niagara falls Yo this needs to be the single. This song is so good. It brings good vibes every time I listen to it. It's that nostalgic feeling I get from it and it's kind of a real hip hop song. I think people can appreciate it. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 20:41)

New Mariah Carey forum (44,216) by Jennifer from USA Due to technical difficulties of the forum recently, may I please announce the re-release of the new Mariah Carey forum called For The Record. For The Record offers a full experience to all Mariah fans with everything from the latest gossip and Mariah news to rare pics and media plus so much more please. Join all the fun today. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 20:27)

The dress (44,215) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Although I agree with the person writing below about getting tired of all the black gowns, I have to say I am not a fan of the dress she wore while accepting the speech. Seriously, Mariah has access to the best designers and yet her outfits are not that great. Last year (especially during AI) she had some really great outfits, which were pretty, sexy and classy at the same time. I am guessing she wears the black ones to look slim, but she should seriously move on to colorful or gold/silver numbers. The award acceptance outfit was horrible. I get it that Mariah will always want to look sexy, but that dress did nothing for her. She could have instead opted for a long champagne gown with crystal work or whatever. She needs to draw the line between sexy and tacky. I don't understand how a woman who is so classy (the way she speaks, the way she moves, and everything) can end up in such ridiculous outfit. it's something I would expect Nicki Minaj or Lady Gaga to wear. Not Mariah. Anyways all that said, I am really looking forward to watching her performance and I am seriously concerned about the lack of promotions. Do they expect the album to sell just based on Mariah's brand? Because that won't happen unfortunately. At a time when the promotions should be at the highest level, we are barely seeing M anywhere. It's sad how somehow all her latest efforts are being ignored by the GP simply because her team is not making any efforts to get it any attention. (Wednesday 28 May 2014; 19:08)

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