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(84,609) by george golden from uk With You is Mariah worst single. Period. I have only listened to it once. GTFO should have been the actual single. With a great video she would have had a top ten by now. What is going on? Where is the video for With You? How about abandoning all these mediocre mid tempo finger snapping snooze fests. I am sure there will be great songs on the album but all these shenanigans will create zero interest for the album. All you Mariah apologists are her worst enemies. She needs to know the truth. She is ruining her legacy. PS. GTFO should have had a video with two dancers doing a dance routine and the female knows her partner has cheated while they are competing for their last dance and they win. Then she leaves him there on stage. There that's an idea. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 18:17)

Re: Mike Will made it (84,603) (84,608) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter "Migrate", "I'm That Chick", "Side Effects", BGK, "Faded", your namesake "Ribbon" and YDKWTD not being released as proper singles will forever haunt me. Also I know a lot of people hate "Money", but that song was catchy AF and could have been a hit with the younger generation. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 18:16)

Re: BT (84,604) (84,607) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Special K's thirst level for Tanaka is Diamond Certified by now. Not everyone has that. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 18:13)

Re: Edward, Eric, Andrew and the MCA family (84,553) (84,606) by Special K from USA I remember Jade and Mariah cheated on all of the written tests in Beauty School. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 18:00)

Re: I need help (84,590) (84,605) by RibbonB from USA Mariah tweeted that they are working on the video. She knows fans are worried. Maybe she will sing With You to a backdrop of the video during the AMA show. Then perhaps have it available immediately for viewing. That could be something. And possibly a nice diversion for non live singing. Here's hoping for delightful, not debacle. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 17:59)

Re: BT (84,567) (84,604) by Special K from USA Hmmm, I wonder who that could be, lol? No, I love my husband to death. I just think Tanaka is so cute. Besides, my hubby loves to throw Gina Torres up in my face and talk about how fine he thinks she is. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 17:51)

Re: Mike Will made it (84,585) (84,603) by RibbonB from USA Faded should have been a single. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 17:35)

Re: Promo plan (84,595) (84,602) by B from USA What is everyone complaining about? With You has been out for six days and she's performing it tonight and thanks to the Clear Channel deal it's being played on the radio. I think we're jumping the gun by calling the song a failure after six days. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 16:57)

Re: Will Mariah sing live at the AMA's? (84,555) (84,601) by Andrew from UK I agree with your post, Herr Kevyn, but I have to ask: if Mariah cannot sing GTFO and With You with her "current voice", how did she sing them in a studio a few weeks ago? Step up, step up, Mariah. Are they your vocals or your engineer's handiwork? Lol. The AMA's will reveal all. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 16:47)

Re: (84,582) (84,600) by Andrew from UK Well praise Jeebuz, you actually wrote a non-delusional, non-propoganda, accurate, honest post. Maybe there's hope, yet. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 16:41)

The blame game (84,599) by Andrew from UK This board is full of apologists, people who come up with any excuse or irrelevant reasoning even Mariah messes up, which is now all the time. It's so nauseating and pathetic to read now. Blame the music industry, blame the record label, blame social media, blame young people, blame managers, blame having anxiety issues - basically blame everyone and everything but the material for which Mariah is responsible. When things are good Mariah is a genius, when they're not everyone pick one of the above and blame, blame, blame. In no uncertain terms her songwriting and producing seem to have taken a lazy and half-assed turn into the repetitive and mundane - the same of which is becoming true of her ability to release and promote in a well-planned and effective campaign. "My fans want to hear me sing..."? She has no clue why her fans want, or, if she does, she evidently doesn't give two tiny shites. Be prepared for this era to collapse like the previous one and for a great many people to sod off and leave her to it. It will be the end of a once stellar career, resorting to the occasional repeat of the same old tour, "The Elusive Live Mic Show" and the annual Christmas regurgitation. I cannot for the life or me figure out what exactly has gone wrong in Mariah's head and like many people, whilst delusionals play the blame game and promise each other that next time will be better, I'm starting to give up on caring. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 16:39)

Re: Music biz today (84,594) (84,598) by Bill from the UK This is what irks me about this roll out. YouTube views are a large proportion of a song's success and yet we haven't even got a lyric video. There is literally nothing to watch on YouTube since With You's release, so with each passing day it ebbs away out of people's minds. GTFO only has 4m views because it's no fun to watch. I've watched it a total of 2 times, and I'm a fan of Mariah's. There is a reason why Touch My Body has 170m views. It's a fantastic video. It's funny, it's re-watchable, it's tongue in cheek, MC looks great, there are several strands, it has a fun concept etc. I go back and watch it time and time and time again (but it's just a...). There is nothing re-watchable about Mariah sitting on her backside drinking wine and not doing anything. I'm praying With You's video, when it eventually gets released, has some element of a storyline to it that would encourage repeat viewings. But it will likely be beauty shots of her parading around LA in black and white. Yawn. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 16:20)

Re: Promo plan (84,595) (84,597) by Shezz from Pk Maybe what Nick said is true, Mariah manages Mariah. Hey atleast it got you to start posting again. Don't lose hope. All is not lost yet. The album has not even been announced yet. Plus she apparently has "Champagne Papi" hiding under her sleeves (not) but I'd be the happiest person on earth to be proven wrong since he's too big right now to sign off on anything below his standards and his standards right now are higher than the heavens above. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 16:04)

Re: I need help (84,575) (84,596) by Jamie from UK I've done a 3 track playlist, GTFO, With You and Do You Think Of Me. The vocals in DYTOM complement GTFO and WY. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 14:53)

Re: Promo plan (84,588) (84,595) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter If this was during the Stella era, I wouldn't even be disappointed because this is exactly what I would expect, a messy era with no proper roll out. But with her new team doing so well, and completely revamping her public image and in a time when Mariah is getting positive press, I had high expectations from this roll out. I had higher expectations when they dubbed GTFO a buzz single even before its release (as opposed to waiting for it to flop and then calling it that) and made a bold move of releasing yet another brand new song right after. Mariah may not be all that savvy promo wise but her team is bound to know that this won't go anywhere without promo. This wouldn't even work for most recent artists let alone Mariah. I mean she is working with Jay Z, who knows exactly how the business works, her new manager was trained by Benny Medina, then how is this era still like this? (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 14:52)

Re: Music biz today (84,591) (84,594) by Edward from USA Things are definitely different now. People can put together a playlist on YouTube and listen to their favorites for free. When you had to wait for TRL to watch videos, now they're at the click of a mouse, so views are really important. It's clearly a different scene these days. The amount of social media followers are not directly proportional to album or singles sales, it's very unpredictable. If you're very popular now, and disappear for more than a year, there's no guarantee you'll be as successful as you were before that, because you would be easily replaced. It's like, taking breaks or long breaks don't create excitement or expectation anymore, with so many options shooting from all directions, you're bound to be forgotten if you take a break. It's really sad. It's also sad the fact that no matter how great the music is, we'll always judge Mariah by the amount she sells when it's clearly unfair. I think we got used to her being a selling machine, but the scene is clearly different now. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 14:49)

Re: Promo plan, no lyric video (84,588) (84,593) by Lexingz from Estonia I have no idea why they did not do lyric videos for the songs. All artists do them nowadays and this is how you get tons of views. I teach teenagers and this is basically what they watch on YouTube - lyric videos. I couldn't even get to the official With You thing on Mariah's YouTube channel where I live, I had to watch a lyric video done by someone random. All my views went to that other place. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 14:48)

With You (84,592) by B from USA Are really calling a single a flop after only four days now? (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 13:55)

Re: Music biz today (84,581) (84,591) by DK from USA Wasn't saying much other than sharing an article. Overall, the music business is in crisis - the market has become too accessible and diluted and the audience attention span is quite low. The last big moments I recall were Adele (Mariah has been there, done that at her prime), Taylor Swift/Rihana (again MC has done the popularity thing at their respective ages already), Despachito which tied MC record, etc. I don't know of any artists of Mariah's caliber (and longivity) who have surprised the business scene in terms of numbers (maybe Paul McCartney's recent nr. 1 in 36 years or Barbra Streisand's last album going nr. 1? - note... no singles mentioned here). Perhaps there is hope for the album depending on who else is releasing that same week or two. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 13:54)

Re: I need help (84,589) (84,590) by Bill from the UK These are all good points and I agree with you in part. There isn't anything really wrong with the song, it's just not the one to launch an album and new era off. It's as if she didn't learn from You're Mine (Eternal), as With You is very much in that vein and is similar in theme and sonically too. MIAM should have carried on the hype and success of #Beautiful with YDKWTD or Make It Look Good as they were both interesting and different from other numbers her back catalogue. When we hear the album, undoubtedly I'm sure there will be great songs on there and we will be left scratching our heads wondering why she and the label opted for With You as the lead. Also makes no sense how she got it right with GTFO by having the video ready for release, but as always is now delaying the lead single's video. Release the damn thing already. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 13:45)

Re: I need help (84,575) (84,589) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Thank you. So much negativity has been directed to With You's selection as the first single that we lose track of its pros: 1. That pre-chorus is one of the best she has come up with in a long while. Those parts you pointed out are easily the best part of the song, especially the "yo..." in the second chorus where the background cuts for a bit to emphasize the alluring, affecting reverb on her lovely vocal. 2. The song has a very easy flow to it. Totally uncomplicated and easy to learn. 3. Dem harmonies. I cannot emphasize this enough. Really. 4. Despite its repetitiveness, With You is still her most melodic output since the best tracks in MOAIA. 5. The chord progression is simple but just beautiful. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 12:49)

Re: Promo plan (84,560) (84,588) by May from Denmark Let's face it. There won't be promos. Let's admit it, GTFO wasn't buzz, it was the lead song and it didn't pan out so they tried with the next ballad. The single was officially released on YT without lyrics and no video came soon after. So it stayed there, stagnant. If something doesn't change or a big surprise comes on soon this wil be another MIAM. She hasn't even release the name of the album neither talk about its content. Zero. Things are happening too quickly now at days because the internet and social media. It's like Mariah is still figuring out 2000s MySpace. I want to be positive but she makes it so hard. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 12:33)

Re: GTFO (84,556) (84,587) by May from Denmark 4 million views is freaking sad if you think about it. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 12:26)

Re: Promo plan (84,573) (84,586) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter That would just break my heart if they dump it like that, since it would just be a repeat of what happened to most of her recent singles. I was hoping this era would be more fierce in the sense that they will come in with both guns blazing to push her new releases. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 12:09)

Re: Mike Will made it (84,572) (84,585) by Licia from USA He gave me Faded so I'm hoping a couple make the cut just to see if they were able to replicate the magic. I was shocked and a little proud to hear that Mike Will had anything to do with that song. Didn't know he had that in him. (Tuesday 9 October 2018; 11:04)

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