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Re: Fat shaming (77,575) (77,577) by Bill from the UK I think we need to bring back the phrase "slowly but surely". (Sunday 30 July 2017; 16:36)

Fat shaming (77,576) by Lee from UK We do not know Mariah's circumstances at the moment. Her weight gain may not be a consequence of her lifestyle. Certain medications are likely to induce extreme weight gain. Anyone who has ever been on steroids for medical reasons will tell you "moon face" is an unfortunate side effect of this medication. It wouldn't surprise me if Mariah was receiving treatment for an ailment we (quite rightly) are unaware of. Mariah's diva image should not be connected to the amount of fat shaming she receives in the press (and on this board apparently). I am all about the press calling out her diva antics, and I have been over them since 1998, but surely they can do it without picking on her weight? If you have to sink so low as to insult someone about their weight, then you have to rethink what your actual argument is. Are you mad because she's a diva and has a bad attitude, or are you mad because she does not look the way you think she should? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 15:53)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,575) by Special K from USA You have no idea how Mariah feels about her weight gain and to assume that she is too lazy to loose the weight is absurd. As vain as Mariah is trust, she is working on loosing the weight. Last I checked Mariah is a human being. We humans occasionally become imperfect from time to time. Even those humans who are in the public eye. I'm sure Mariah feels personal "shame" in gaining weight but we as fans shouldn't be shaming her about that issue in my opinion. The general public will take care of that. Yes, shame Mariah when she is notoriously late to a concert or some fan meet and greet. Shame Mariah when she is acting like an entitled diva or does some half ass horrific lipped synch performance. Shame, shame, shame for those behaviors, however in my humble opionion to shame any person because they are struggling with weight issues and too assume they are "too lazy" to loose the weight is rude, obnoxious and shameful. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 15:00)

Fat shaming (77,574) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) This message board is in uproar once again over a topic that can be very offensive. In my opinion fat shaming is not cool on any level no matter who it is. Just because Mariah is a celebrity of means does not make alright for anyone to fat shame her. While I have to agree she can stand to pick better clothes at times that are more flattering to her body, on another note the diva antics are not a good look either. But it does not mean that she have to endure people making rude and disrespectful comments about her or her weight, it is not going to help by any means, until MC herself decides she wants to do something about it. I mean it's sad that some people are complaining about her weight when there are things on planet Mariah that are going great right now such as her being well received on The All The Hits tour with Lionel Ritchie. With everything that has happened lately with MC this comes as a nice surprise. I understand as a family we are not going to always agree with each other when it comes to things regarding MC but trading insults and disrespecting one another is definitely not the direction we should be heading in. Be blessed and be well my Archives family. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 14:35)

Re: Fat Oprah (77,572) (77,573) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter "She's been touching her nipples on music videos for as long as I can remember." Edward get out of here, haha. "She definitely needs to work on her choice in clothing and her diva attitude", this is also my line of thinking. Dressing appropriately would do wonders. Also her diva "untouchable" attitude, makes people go against her and that's why they love tearing her down. Her image in general needs a major overhaul. I don't see that happening with her current team though. They'll bubble wrap the bubble that she is already in. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 14:25)

Fat Oprah (77,572) by Edward from USA Clearly "beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder". I don't necessarily think being overweight, not obese, is ugly, there are many overweight people who I consider to be beautiful and attractive. Mariah has been in shape most of her life, that's what we've seen from her. She didn't come out to the music scene being chubby like Adele or Oprah. People have loved Oprah through all her weight stages because Oprah doesn't have a shady, arrogant, stinky attitude, and that's the main key, and besides I don't remember the last time Oprah was selling sex as part of her show. Mariah has sold sex as part of her act for a long time now, she's been touching her nipples on music videos for as long as I can remember, those magic push-up bras she one wore in the late 90's gave her boobs twice the size, so she's going to be called out when her weight goes up. The thing is that she makes things worse with her choice of clothing, and nobody seems to be telling her when she looks like a blowup doll. As a regular person, people wouldn't give an effing damn about her weight, but she's a celebrity and that's what some people don't understand, and everything has to do with the attitude. Oprah, Gabourey Sidibe and Adele are all overweight ladies, but loved by the most people, but why, well, their attitudes. Then we have Kirstie Alley, a woman with a stinky attitude, whom many people love to hate. Mariah can be as fat as Gabourey if she wants to be, is her body and her choice, but she definitely needs to work on her choice in clothing and her diva attitude. Minimizing her intake of Doritos, Big Macs and alcohol would also help. And Licia, I think you're beautiful. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 13:56)

Re: Fat shaming (77,567) (77,571) by Felix Pires from Holland Andrew you are one [censored]. It is all so disturbing. Since we are all here to be "onest" and not "deluded", that's what I think of you. And yes I do not post alot, but still have the right to when I feel like it. So don't even start with the "you are just on this board crap". You are a very confused boy, yes boy. Talk with some respect, than people will listen to what you have to say. [Webmaster: It's funny that you advise Andrew to talk with some respect, but that don't do it yourself.] (Sunday 30 July 2017; 12:25)

Re: Fat shaming (77,567) (77,570) by Licia from USA Try harder for what? Please explain. I only repeated the points that have been made in several posts not only by you, but by several other people as well. You don't like fat Mariah. I didn't make it bigger than what it is. I just repeated what you said. By the way I didn't miss the original point that you and Edward made about her diva behavior making her unlikable therefore making her an easy target for ridicule. I actually agree with that, but if that was the main point that y'all wanted people to get why all the extra jabs about her weight? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 04:03)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,568) (77,569) by RibbonB from USA Oh, def. Not worth Mimi's time. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 03:01)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,566) (77,568) by Licia from USA She has some kind of show on Netflix I believe. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:54)

Re: Fat shaming (77,563) (77,567) by Andrew from UK You should have tried harder. It's a bit argumentum ad absurdum: extrapolate the points to the extreme and then ridicule them. Lots of people who find the truth difficult on here do that. But, if you wish to go there: as soon as there is a LiciaArchives I'll comment on whether you should go run some laps or not. In terms of Mariah: yes, she could do with running a few laps. Of New England, perhaps. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:48)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,565) (77,566) by RibbonB from USA Does Chelsea even have a show? She got cancelled a couple years ago I thought. Anyway, nope never gonna happen, well unless Crusty still has Mimi in her thrall and convinces her that appearing on a cheap blonde's podcast would make her relevant. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:31)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,540) (77,565) by Licia from USA Chelsea hates Mariah more than she hates Nick. That interview will never happen. I'd love to see it though. This is the one person Mariah needs to stand up to. Chelsea can be a bully. Hoodriah or Bitchriah would need to come out. Sometimes you just have to let a person know you aren't to be fooled with. Lol. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:12)

Re: M3rry Christmas (77,548) (77,564) by Licia from USA That's good to hear. Will keep you in my prayers. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:04)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,563) by Licia from USA OK Andrew we get it. Fat = unattractive. Skinny = beautiful. Got it. Noone will love you if you're a fatty. Got it. That's your main point right? Mariah stop being a fat ass so the world can love you again. Now my lazy big ass needs to go run a few laps so the world can love me. I tried so hard to stay away from this. Lol. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 01:32)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,560) (77,562) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter See this post I can completely agree with. Mariah says something and does something else. She insists she's a prude and shy but her actions suggests otherwise. I clearly remember her saying on one occasion (I'm sure there were more) where she said she wouldn't use "sex" (as in the sexy image) to sell her stuff and she doesn't understand why people do that and basically she was talking down about how some people have just based their whole gig around a sexy image, this contradicts with what she has been doing for a while now. Then she says she likes to keep her private life private and talked down about celebs who are overexposed, well lo and behold, she has been overexposed to the point of over saturation in the last 2 years. She puts up a ditzy image, always talking about angles and lighting during interviews but never really going in depth about her artistry (I mean in the recent years, she used to do that before) and yet she whines that people don't take her as a serious artist. I also agree with Mara about the cringe worthy "you guys won't understand, with your normal brains and normal low life 9 to 5 jobs" (not an exact quote). I cringe every time she says stuff like these and she has said it many times, girl needs to know these people work way harder and will be fired if they under perform even once (regardless of age) and she has been under performing in a lot of instances now but we are supposed to excuse that because she is a legend? It doesn't work that way. If you take the coins, you should deliver on your end. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:59)

Re: Mariah interview quote (77,541) (77,561) by RibbonB from USA Check her interview in Essence. For some reason that seems to click with that old interview. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:38)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,554) (77,560) by Andrew from UK Your post is interesting. Mariah's personality is like her attitude towards her image - completely contradictory and the source of much ire. With her image she acts like a vapid z-movie porn star, but cries foul if she's not considered innocent and virtuous. With her personality she acts condescending and aloof, but cries foul if people don't consider her a victim and virtuous. And celebrities moaning about how hard they have it should go work in a factory for 12 hours a day and put miniature parts together to achieve impossible quotas, or go clean out other peoples toilets. I don't think Mariah has a hard life at all. The only hard part would be being criticised by the public for your choices. Well, if you can take praise, you should be able to handle criticism. And I'm sure the jet-set wealthy lifestyle where working involves such arduous tasks as sitting on meetings and choosing things your like, drinking a lot and singing a little bit is adequate compensation. What's the bet it's been a long time since she cleaned her own toilet? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:35)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,559) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Assuming your post is directed at me, I am just saying, first of all I'm talking about body shaming in general and that includes thin shaming. Unless these people are a danger to themselves by being excessively fat or excessively thin (due to anorexia) then we have no business intervening. Also let's not kid ourselves, she isn't "fat". She has a little more meat on her bones than usual but she is by no mean "fat" or "obese". Also once you are past a certain age it becomes difficult to maintain a certain weight sometimes especially for women who go through a lot of hormonal changes (I am not generalizing this because yes people like Madonna and Celine are still thin) but different people have different bodies. She might be on medicines, she might be depressed, she might be in a crisis or heck she might have just decided she wants to eat 2 tacos at once because she earned it and isn't a 20 year old new comer trying to make it big. She can still look fantastic if she dresses right instead of wearing clothes that are not her size and those darn leotards with cut outs that just doesn't represent her well. Again this is my opinion, I'm not trying to push it down anyone's throats. People don't have to agree with me. I call Mariah out on a lot of messes she pulls (her crazy stunts, her shade queen status, her bad performances, her recent lack of work ethic) but this is something different. So I'm not deluded, you should know that all too well by now. Also my original post wasn't directed at anyone on the board, I was referring straight to the article. And hell to the no for that "if you don't agree with something, you are not 'positive' or you are a 'hater'" isn't me, in most cases I'm dubbed as the hater on this board since I lost my rose colored glasses years ago, so boy bye. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:21)

Fat shaming (77,558) by Andrew from UK Um, sorry, what's wrong with it? Let's see. You're not naturally big. You are thin. And very attractive. You eat and drink way too much. You make yourself very overweight. And unattractive. You *should* be ashamed. If there is no shame in it, what is there? Pride? Everyone jumping on the "it's-wrong-to-fat-shame" bandwagon sounds rather silly, and I imagine are people who probably feature the world "hater" heavily in their vocabulary. Just because you disagree with something, that you are not positive about something someone is or does, doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. Call it out. She made herself fat and is too lazy or self-indulgent to lose weight, even if being fat seemingly hurts her somewhat. And it does *not* look good, given that everyone knows what lies beneath the many layers of self-indulgence and delusion. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:54)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,546) (77,557) by RibbonB from USA Edward, Oprah is one of the richest, seemingly nicest people around and she still struggles with her weight. She has gained and lost and just sort of settled in with her age and reality, but she has also been fat shamed. It really isn't right even though some make excuses for it. Women over 40 already have age against them, let alone if there are other deeper issues that pack on the weight. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:19)

Re: Journalists fat shaming Mariah (77,528) (77,556) by May from Denmark Sadly the journalists do it with everyone, not just Mariah. I remember the Daily Mail even called her a whale once in one of the photograph descriptions, it was awful. And many times they have found adjectives of some sort to simply call her fat in pejorative ways. Then again can't expect any less from the DM. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:13)

Re: Short memories (77,520) (77,555) by May from Denmark Because the song was done, she did it, we even got a snippet but for some reason it wasn't released. The movie already presented her as the songwriter and she introduced the movie in a short trailer so it will happen. If the movie doesn't get released that's a different thing. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:07)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,546) (77,554) by May from Denmark So much drama for a person having no waist and thick legs. She is quite thick now but I wouldn't portray her as fat, like someone who has the muffin tops overcooking all out of the jeans or had a big pot belly. Mariah has always been lazy when it comes to exercising, we all know. People do too much drama about what others wear, yet if frog Kardashian wore a turd top, next morning all the streets would be looking like sewer from the sheeple-girls changing wool for turd. I agree completely that Mariah became the diva, the whistle became the gimmick and she all in all turned all the things she said she didn't want it to happen. As a celebrity I don't really expect anything regarding her body, I know she is physically lazy, it has always been known. America has an obesity problem, which is becoming a common thing in the UK also and is starting to rise in this other side too. I never thought of Mariah as a role model to follow in regards to body, I cared about her music and voice and still do. If she wants to sing in a bikini while her pot belly is out, whatever, I never followed her for her fashion or costumes, for that kind we have Lady Gaga, who seemingly has been trying to erase that part of her career acting all fashionably "normal" and elevated when we know is late to take her serious, no one will forget the Kermit the frog's jacket. It's like all have their crash and then want to be - taken seriously - Katy Perry being the last one. Mariah is like she had a whole opposite moment, from serious elegant slightly sexy glam to the Dolly Parton of RnB. Only that everybody loves Dolly and no one cares she has showed us teetees for the longest period of time but there is that humbleness Mariah lost, that magic to communicate niceness. Dolly is a sweetheart, she was and is America's sweetheart. When she speaks she is honest but sweet, you know she had so much but also behaves as if she was your neighbor. What happened to Mariah's eloquent way of talking in interviews and even on stage? That time she was on stage and she was trying to explain people why she arrived late and then said something like "oh you people wouldn't understand it, you have normal boring lives, because you aren't artists, I can't sleep at night... when you have a creative mind like us artists do" and she kept on, I felt bad for her and I cringed and that was the first time I thought "Mariah shut up you are sounding like a condencending arrogant bitch", I even felt somewhat dissappointed of her that time. Can you say ego in capitals?. She has consistently portrayed herself like that ever since Charmbracelet, it got intense in the Emancipation time. Maybe at this age and time she got tired of keeping it together for the press? Like you said, no doubt she is a good person, I believe she is a narcissistic person too but this last was always down played by her with comments about how grounded she was. I think her publicity team having no filters isn't helping, someone used to make Mariah get fit for her job, like when she reappeared for E=MC2 or every other album debut, or her previous tours, she looked great for her Adventure tour. No exercise for tours means also feeling more tired to sing properly. I felt the late performances were lackluster not because her weight (that's just silly, she isn't obese) or her tiredness but I think she must be taking some medicine, she has been having that weird look and sounding monotonous and rigid looking when interviewed again. Is it possible she is having a health issue she doesn't want to publicly address? (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:02)

Fat shaming (77,553) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I don't think it's right to fat shame (or body shame in general) anyone whether they are a celeb or not. Let's keep in mind Mariah is a singer, not a model, so she is not obligated to stay a certain size for that. A lot of divas before her have been sizes bigger than her, so it's no big deal. What Mariah should do, if she is happy with her current self is just learn to dress for her size and that isn't difficult. She doesn't even need to be covered up like Adele all the time, she has herself dressed up many times in ensembles that were revealing yet classy and sexy. She has the means to get any stylist she wants and any big name fashion house will gladly make any alterations necessary for her. What she should also do it not over edit her photos to look sizes way too small that people turn it into a joke. A little edit doesn't hurt anybody, everyone does it. Another thing that I would like to say is that if Mariah is not comfortable walking in heels anymore, she should make a bold statement and just go in flats (like Gal Gadot did) or wedged heels or stuff that you can walk in without being held by 2-3 people. This idiotic article claims Mariah is 119 kilos and can't walk without being carried, that is as stupid as it can get because she is no where near that weight, and people who are that weight can walk perfectly fine so what on earth? But we all have noticed that Mariah's walking problem isn't a weight issue, it's just that she doesn't seem to be as comfortable wearing heels anymore so she should just embrace it and kick it off. I know it's part of her diva persona, but don't let the persona engulf the person, that's when things get messy and that's what precisely happened to Mariah. She let her diva persona engulf the beautiful, kind and genius individual that she is, so now people just think of her as a ditzy, egotistic diva who throws shades. No one will try to look beyond her facade, and she can't complain that people don't understand her when she is the one not letting them understand. Lastly, it's none of my business, but Mariah should only lose weight for herself, and nobody else, what I mean is, last time she went on this strict diet for her wedding to Packer, then after that didn't go through, she left it but then again started dieting, to what most assume is to look good next to Tanaka, then again after that ended she let it go. This isn't good for her, so don't try to transform yourself for someone else, instead just do it if you feel the need, if not, then just embrace yourself. There's still time Mariah, drop the diva act, show the real you, address your problems (vocal and otherwise) head on, work with professionals and watch what a difference it makes. Doing so would liberate her, she won't have to constantly put up a show. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 18:32)

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