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Star (77,583) by Edward from USA I'm excited Mariah's releasing a new single for Christmas. Judging by the fact that the song is associated with a reputable company, I think Mariah's going to push herself to deliver something great. She did it with "Almost Home". I think that "Almost Home" is the only track after 2008 in which Mariah actually sounds as she did in her glory days. Since I've never heard any Christmas songs with the words: "Doritos", "Fritos", "Snickers" and "Cornflakes" in the lyrics, I think everything will be ok. What do you guys think? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 22:09)

Re: Fat shaming (77,575) (77,582) by Andrew from UK "[She] is too lazy or self-indulgent to lose weight." There are two ways to lose weight: diet and/or exercise. If you are overweight and will not exercise you are lazy. If you are overweight and will not diet you are self-indulgent. Call it "struggling with weight issues" if it makes you feel better. But these "issues" are laziness and self-indulgence. Call me whatever you like, but what I said is a simple truth and no amount of you nor anyone else attacking me changes that. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 21:53)

Re: Fat shaming (77,571) (77,581) by Felix Pires from Holland Webmaster: Oh please. The only thing that comes from him are rants with pure hate. Check him like you check me my dear. Don't come for me after one mad reply. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 20:49)

Re: Fat Oprah (77,572) (77,580) by B from USA Wait I read she's been binging on Spaghetti Os and Pop Tarts. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 17:37)

Re: Fat shaming (77,575) (77,578) by B from USA (Sunday 30 July 2017; 17:33)

Re: Fat shaming (77,575) (77,577) by Bill from the UK I think we need to bring back the phrase "slowly but surely". (Sunday 30 July 2017; 16:36)

Fat shaming (77,576) by Lee from UK We do not know Mariah's circumstances at the moment. Her weight gain may not be a consequence of her lifestyle. Certain medications are likely to induce extreme weight gain. Anyone who has ever been on steroids for medical reasons will tell you "moon face" is an unfortunate side effect of this medication. It wouldn't surprise me if Mariah was receiving treatment for an ailment we (quite rightly) are unaware of. Mariah's diva image should not be connected to the amount of fat shaming she receives in the press (and on this board apparently). I am all about the press calling out her diva antics, and I have been over them since 1998, but surely they can do it without picking on her weight? If you have to sink so low as to insult someone about their weight, then you have to rethink what your actual argument is. Are you mad because she's a diva and has a bad attitude, or are you mad because she does not look the way you think she should? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 15:53)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,575) by Special K from USA You have no idea how Mariah feels about her weight gain and to assume that she is too lazy to loose the weight is absurd. As vain as Mariah is trust, she is working on loosing the weight. Last I checked Mariah is a human being. We humans occasionally become imperfect from time to time. Even those humans who are in the public eye. I'm sure Mariah feels personal "shame" in gaining weight but we as fans shouldn't be shaming her about that issue in my opinion. The general public will take care of that. Yes, shame Mariah when she is notoriously late to a concert or some fan meet and greet. Shame Mariah when she is acting like an entitled diva or does some half ass horrific lipped synch performance. Shame, shame, shame for those behaviors, however in my humble opionion to shame any person because they are struggling with weight issues and too assume they are "too lazy" to loose the weight is rude, obnoxious and shameful. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 15:00)

Fat shaming (77,574) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) This message board is in uproar once again over a topic that can be very offensive. In my opinion fat shaming is not cool on any level no matter who it is. Just because Mariah is a celebrity of means does not make alright for anyone to fat shame her. While I have to agree she can stand to pick better clothes at times that are more flattering to her body, on another note the diva antics are not a good look either. But it does not mean that she have to endure people making rude and disrespectful comments about her or her weight, it is not going to help by any means, until MC herself decides she wants to do something about it. I mean it's sad that some people are complaining about her weight when there are things on planet Mariah that are going great right now such as her being well received on The All The Hits tour with Lionel Ritchie. With everything that has happened lately with MC this comes as a nice surprise. I understand as a family we are not going to always agree with each other when it comes to things regarding MC but trading insults and disrespecting one another is definitely not the direction we should be heading in. Be blessed and be well my Archives family. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 14:35)

Re: Fat Oprah (77,572) (77,573) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter "She's been touching her nipples on music videos for as long as I can remember." Edward get out of here, haha. "She definitely needs to work on her choice in clothing and her diva attitude", this is also my line of thinking. Dressing appropriately would do wonders. Also her diva "untouchable" attitude, makes people go against her and that's why they love tearing her down. Her image in general needs a major overhaul. I don't see that happening with her current team though. They'll bubble wrap the bubble that she is already in. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 14:25)

Fat Oprah (77,572) by Edward from USA Clearly "beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder". I don't necessarily think being overweight, not obese, is ugly, there are many overweight people who I consider to be beautiful and attractive. Mariah has been in shape most of her life, that's what we've seen from her. She didn't come out to the music scene being chubby like Adele or Oprah. People have loved Oprah through all her weight stages because Oprah doesn't have a shady, arrogant, stinky attitude, and that's the main key, and besides I don't remember the last time Oprah was selling sex as part of her show. Mariah has sold sex as part of her act for a long time now, she's been touching her nipples on music videos for as long as I can remember, those magic push-up bras she one wore in the late 90's gave her boobs twice the size, so she's going to be called out when her weight goes up. The thing is that she makes things worse with her choice of clothing, and nobody seems to be telling her when she looks like a blowup doll. As a regular person, people wouldn't give an effing damn about her weight, but she's a celebrity and that's what some people don't understand, and everything has to do with the attitude. Oprah, Gabourey Sidibe and Adele are all overweight ladies, but loved by the most people, but why, well, their attitudes. Then we have Kirstie Alley, a woman with a stinky attitude, whom many people love to hate. Mariah can be as fat as Gabourey if she wants to be, is her body and her choice, but she definitely needs to work on her choice in clothing and her diva attitude. Minimizing her intake of Doritos, Big Macs and alcohol would also help. And Licia, I think you're beautiful. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 13:56)

Re: Fat shaming (77,567) (77,571) by Felix Pires from Holland Andrew you are one [censored]. It is all so disturbing. Since we are all here to be "onest" and not "deluded", that's what I think of you. And yes I do not post alot, but still have the right to when I feel like it. So don't even start with the "you are just on this board crap". You are a very confused boy, yes boy. Talk with some respect, than people will listen to what you have to say. [Webmaster: It's funny that you advise Andrew to talk with some respect, but that don't do it yourself.] (Sunday 30 July 2017; 12:25)

Re: Fat shaming (77,567) (77,570) by Licia from USA Try harder for what? Please explain. I only repeated the points that have been made in several posts not only by you, but by several other people as well. You don't like fat Mariah. I didn't make it bigger than what it is. I just repeated what you said. By the way I didn't miss the original point that you and Edward made about her diva behavior making her unlikable therefore making her an easy target for ridicule. I actually agree with that, but if that was the main point that y'all wanted people to get why all the extra jabs about her weight? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 04:03)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,568) (77,569) by RibbonB from USA Oh, def. Not worth Mimi's time. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 03:01)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,566) (77,568) by Licia from USA She has some kind of show on Netflix I believe. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:54)

Re: Fat shaming (77,563) (77,567) by Andrew from UK You should have tried harder. It's a bit argumentum ad absurdum: extrapolate the points to the extreme and then ridicule them. Lots of people who find the truth difficult on here do that. But, if you wish to go there: as soon as there is a LiciaArchives I'll comment on whether you should go run some laps or not. In terms of Mariah: yes, she could do with running a few laps. Of New England, perhaps. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:48)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,565) (77,566) by RibbonB from USA Does Chelsea even have a show? She got cancelled a couple years ago I thought. Anyway, nope never gonna happen, well unless Crusty still has Mimi in her thrall and convinces her that appearing on a cheap blonde's podcast would make her relevant. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:31)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,540) (77,565) by Licia from USA Chelsea hates Mariah more than she hates Nick. That interview will never happen. I'd love to see it though. This is the one person Mariah needs to stand up to. Chelsea can be a bully. Hoodriah or Bitchriah would need to come out. Sometimes you just have to let a person know you aren't to be fooled with. Lol. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:12)

Re: M3rry Christmas (77,548) (77,564) by Licia from USA That's good to hear. Will keep you in my prayers. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 02:04)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,563) by Licia from USA OK Andrew we get it. Fat = unattractive. Skinny = beautiful. Got it. Noone will love you if you're a fatty. Got it. That's your main point right? Mariah stop being a fat ass so the world can love you again. Now my lazy big ass needs to go run a few laps so the world can love me. I tried so hard to stay away from this. Lol. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 01:32)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,560) (77,562) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter See this post I can completely agree with. Mariah says something and does something else. She insists she's a prude and shy but her actions suggests otherwise. I clearly remember her saying on one occasion (I'm sure there were more) where she said she wouldn't use "sex" (as in the sexy image) to sell her stuff and she doesn't understand why people do that and basically she was talking down about how some people have just based their whole gig around a sexy image, this contradicts with what she has been doing for a while now. Then she says she likes to keep her private life private and talked down about celebs who are overexposed, well lo and behold, she has been overexposed to the point of over saturation in the last 2 years. She puts up a ditzy image, always talking about angles and lighting during interviews but never really going in depth about her artistry (I mean in the recent years, she used to do that before) and yet she whines that people don't take her as a serious artist. I also agree with Mara about the cringe worthy "you guys won't understand, with your normal brains and normal low life 9 to 5 jobs" (not an exact quote). I cringe every time she says stuff like these and she has said it many times, girl needs to know these people work way harder and will be fired if they under perform even once (regardless of age) and she has been under performing in a lot of instances now but we are supposed to excuse that because she is a legend? It doesn't work that way. If you take the coins, you should deliver on your end. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:59)

Re: Mariah interview quote (77,541) (77,561) by RibbonB from USA Check her interview in Essence. For some reason that seems to click with that old interview. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:38)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,554) (77,560) by Andrew from UK Your post is interesting. Mariah's personality is like her attitude towards her image - completely contradictory and the source of much ire. With her image she acts like a vapid z-movie porn star, but cries foul if she's not considered innocent and virtuous. With her personality she acts condescending and aloof, but cries foul if people don't consider her a victim and virtuous. And celebrities moaning about how hard they have it should go work in a factory for 12 hours a day and put miniature parts together to achieve impossible quotas, or go clean out other peoples toilets. I don't think Mariah has a hard life at all. The only hard part would be being criticised by the public for your choices. Well, if you can take praise, you should be able to handle criticism. And I'm sure the jet-set wealthy lifestyle where working involves such arduous tasks as sitting on meetings and choosing things your like, drinking a lot and singing a little bit is adequate compensation. What's the bet it's been a long time since she cleaned her own toilet? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:35)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,559) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Assuming your post is directed at me, I am just saying, first of all I'm talking about body shaming in general and that includes thin shaming. Unless these people are a danger to themselves by being excessively fat or excessively thin (due to anorexia) then we have no business intervening. Also let's not kid ourselves, she isn't "fat". She has a little more meat on her bones than usual but she is by no mean "fat" or "obese". Also once you are past a certain age it becomes difficult to maintain a certain weight sometimes especially for women who go through a lot of hormonal changes (I am not generalizing this because yes people like Madonna and Celine are still thin) but different people have different bodies. She might be on medicines, she might be depressed, she might be in a crisis or heck she might have just decided she wants to eat 2 tacos at once because she earned it and isn't a 20 year old new comer trying to make it big. She can still look fantastic if she dresses right instead of wearing clothes that are not her size and those darn leotards with cut outs that just doesn't represent her well. Again this is my opinion, I'm not trying to push it down anyone's throats. People don't have to agree with me. I call Mariah out on a lot of messes she pulls (her crazy stunts, her shade queen status, her bad performances, her recent lack of work ethic) but this is something different. So I'm not deluded, you should know that all too well by now. Also my original post wasn't directed at anyone on the board, I was referring straight to the article. And hell to the no for that "if you don't agree with something, you are not 'positive' or you are a 'hater'" isn't me, in most cases I'm dubbed as the hater on this board since I lost my rose colored glasses years ago, so boy bye. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:21)

Fat shaming (77,558) by Andrew from UK Um, sorry, what's wrong with it? Let's see. You're not naturally big. You are thin. And very attractive. You eat and drink way too much. You make yourself very overweight. And unattractive. You *should* be ashamed. If there is no shame in it, what is there? Pride? Everyone jumping on the "it's-wrong-to-fat-shame" bandwagon sounds rather silly, and I imagine are people who probably feature the world "hater" heavily in their vocabulary. Just because you disagree with something, that you are not positive about something someone is or does, doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. Call it out. She made herself fat and is too lazy or self-indulgent to lose weight, even if being fat seemingly hurts her somewhat. And it does *not* look good, given that everyone knows what lies beneath the many layers of self-indulgence and delusion. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:54)

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