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Matt / the silent snapdragon (45,934) by Brad from USA
Hi fellow lambs. Matt, your message brought back the good old days when I would pour over CD liner notes, when there was a mystique about the creation of an album. Yes, I have his album and noted that nickname for MC back in '92. I have actually incorporated that name in personal uses since then, so it's funny to me that you mention it. Anyhow, I'm not sure if it is some kind of reference to the flower or a comment about personal behavior. I'm not sure that there was ever a public dialogue about this nickname for her (since it was long before social media and blogs). I thought that her bouquet from her first wedding had snapdragons in it but I am not so sure about that now (and obviously the wedding occurred after his album). Anyhow, I was happy to see your question. That album from "Big Nasty" had some good songs on it. On another subject, it seems telling to me how silent MC was with Nick Cannon appearing on Jimmy Fallon last night and she did not tweet about his appearance at all, as she once would have. Also, Nick seemed intent not to mention her at all during his appearance. This seems to speak volumes about the current status of their relationship.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 23:10)
PJW / WBT vocals (45,933) by juan from Dubai
I completely disagree with you. The live versions of WBT when she promoted it on talk shows and features (Oprah, Ellen, Movie Awards, Blueprint) were as good as the record, look it up. Her image is so tarnished. Basically, Mariah is just lazy to kick a*s. Somebody needs to wake her up.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 22:56)
Sinus infection / Nick (45,932) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
PJW for some reason I didn't buy that either. And about the vocals being straight from demo, I don't believe it either. MC seems to be taking a lot of stuff out of Beyonce's interviews where she talked about her album "Beyonce". She also said that she kept vocals from the demo and we all know Mariah tried to pull a "semi-Beyonce" when releasing MIAM which backfired. Before I piss of people, I want to clarify I am aware that Mariah's album strategy was not exact copy hence "semi-Beyonce" due to the fact that she too thought that dropping the album at once will make it successful. Mariah, why lie at all? She went to the studio a million times to record and re-record, it's all up on twitter. Secondly, Christine, when I saw the interview it looked like Mariah quite blatantly ignored Nick in it (now I am not saying she did it without reason, Nick did give her plenty to be pissed about, like the ex-girlfriend scandal and the explicit sex life details). But yes, it seemed like Mariah was kind of not looking at Nick and I don't know if you noticed, but there was a point where Nick was trying to take Roc from Mariah and she just completely walked passed him without one glance. Throughout the song there are many times I caught Nick looking at Mariah and at some points the dude looked confused as to what his role exactly is in the video since him being there was almost pointless. There was no interaction between the two. They could have just not included him to avoid the awkward video.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 21:28)
PJW re: WBT (45,931) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales
You're right that she hasn't come close to it. She's far surpassed it.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 20:38)
Recorded the album with a sinus infection? (45,930) by PJW from The U.K.
Really? This is a variant of "I can't hear myself in my monitor/my dress is broken/it's early in the morning". I don't buy it. Further, she claims she recorded some of the songs in the space of a few minutes and kept those vocals. At the time she also claimed that WBT was sung straight through in one take and that was the version we got, which I never believed as she's not yet come close to it live.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 19:54)
(45,928) by christine from USA
With all the rumors about Mariah and Nick divorcing does anyone think that may be one of the reasons the cd was delayed? Maybe she added Faded, or You're Mine when things started going bad between them? Does anyone know when these songs were actually written? Additionally did anyone notice the segment on the Matt Lauer special when they showed the video clip of Mariah and Nick with dem babies? When I watched it I thought, boy Nick isn't even looking at Mariah, he looked like he didn't want to be there. I hope the rumors aren't true, but we haven't seen any pics of them together since the beginning of July, which is also odd to me. Remember when JD had said "everything that you question will be answered ASAP"? Was he referring to their parting ways, or perhaps to the possible divorce? Very cryptic message.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 19:46)
Snapdragon (45,927) by OGmattyICE from US
I have Trey Lorenz' album that Mariah helped produce, and I got to reading Trey's notes to the fans at the end of the lyrics insert where he gives credits. It says Mariah Carey: (Snapdragon) blah blah. Is (was) this his nickname for her? Does anybody else have his album and could shed some light on the subject?
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 17:17)
GM interview (45,926) by Dove from USA
I just read the article and I liked it. She seemed really sweet and down to earth. On a side note: I apologize for the "I want her to go out with a bang not a whimper" comment in my last post. That's just my frustration coming out.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 17:10)
HitFix, fix yourself (45,925) by Mike RC from Spain
I like the HitFix article about the producers Mariah could work with, but where did they get from that Vision Of Love and Love Takes Time were penned by Mariah and Walter Afanassieff? We all know it was Mariah and Ben Margulies. By the way, I'd love her to work with both of them sometime again, I know we'd die.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 16:57)
Thoughts (45,923) by B from USA
Me. I am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse is an excellent album. The promo, singles, and videos were the problem with this era. Mariah doesn't need a producer to save her. She needs a manager that can guide her and take full advantage of her talent. I'm happy with the album and don't understand the hate it's getting from other fans.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 16:40)
Mariah and Celine (45,922) by Dove from USA
If Mariah and Celine were competing for the same date, why didn't they just do the concert together?
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 16:11)
Re: post 45,917 by Ty (45,921) by Dove from USA
That is unfortunate. If it were me I would have spent my own money to promote it, especially because it's so good. This could have been her big comeback album. I would rather have a good album with little promo over a mediocre album with tons of promo though. I just wish more people could hear this one. I just want her to go out with a bang instead of a whimper.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 16:09)
Turkish magazine interview (45,920) by Darryle from USA
I read Mariah's interview for the Turkish magazine gay mag. I found it really interesting that she recorded most of the album with a sinus infection and that most of the vocals are demo versions that she decided to keep. Then just work on the production for those songs. So guess this explains the imperfections in the vocals. She kept them like that because she liked them. If you want to read the interview you can go to the Mariah Carey Community Facebook page or Vision Of Love Mariah tumblr page.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 14:54)
On JD and MC moving around on stage (45,919) by JC from UK
I honestly think it was unfair and disrespectful of their friendship for Mariah to have JD as a scapegoat for all the hate that this era has gotten. Has everyone forgotten all of the things that JD has said during his interviews that everything that was happening will be addressed by MC and it's all in her "plan"? IMHO I think JD tried to do everything he thought should be done for this album to not flop as hard as it did but once again, MC didn't let him do his job because she wanted it done her way. She was convinced her "new" way of releasing the anticipated album would be a success. Then it happened, and nothing. I do agree that MC is probably surrounded by a group of enablers but someone has to tell her how it is whether she is a living legend or not. I think MC was oozing charisma and charm during the 90's because she had the confidence to go with her raw talent. She knew she could just open her mouth and a note would come out flawlessly. Nowadays we know her voice isn't the same, her insecurity has gotten the best of her and she tries to compensate by looking all sexy and glamorous on stage. Once MC get her body in check again and with proper motivation to sing live, I think she'll be ready to make a comeback.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 13:49)
Mimi L. (45,918) by MimiLamb from Germany
All is good. Like I said Jermaine wasn't treated right at all, a lot took it way too far and blamed everything on him. It's just as much Mariah's fault. That's the thing for me the mistakes that were made are just as much hers as others. That's the reason why I don't get so upset. I'm like okay Mariah you have to live with that, you made that decision. Jermaine was and is a loyal friend and I hope that remains. It's true that Mariah doesn't address things but she never did so I don't expect her to start doing it now either. Again that's why I'm not getting upset because it's to be expected. I love the woman for 24 years but like us all she's human and no god, by doing certain things she proves just that. I would love to see a lot of things changed but I also know that the chances of her doing so are small (the long dresses, the insecurity of her looks, the not moving etc). So either I can accept her to be how she is or I can't. And I can because I just look back at all the years she is been a constant in my life, her music helping me through all kinds of situations so I just take what I get as long as we have her here doing what she does best.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 7:45)
(45,917) by Ty from USA
I've met Mariah many times and know industry people who know her. Def Jam pulled the plug in promotion because Mariah went over budget on the cd. There was no more money to pour into this campaign. Mariah could have went on IG and made some snippets singing songs on the CD. She didn't. She could have done an unplugged in NYC for the fans. She didn't. This cd is a wrap. Her new concerts will be the same setlist with 3 songs added as she always does with pre-recorded vocals because [censored] and her voice has changed. We except this and we move on. [censored] It's time to let go. She's a wife and mother now and music no longer comes first. How about [censored] and leave her alone.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 2:36)
Producers (45,916) by THE TRUTH from USA
I have no idea who or what "Hitfix" is, who died and made them an authority on anything? For sure they need a new handle. As far as producers, one out of six won't get you very far. Yes to Pharell and Rick Rubin although I doubt her antics would go over well with Rick. Why don't people give it a rest? Let MC go away for awhile, regroup and come back with a vengeance rather than a fading whimper.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 1:21)
May (45,915) by Dove from USA
I completely agree with your post about WH and MJ. I feel that now that MC has kids and is getting older she is going to want to slow down a lot. I want her to have one more very successful era with a new album full of great songs, amazing performances, creative and fun videos, beautiful clothes, lots of promo, etc. I want her to go out with a bang. Maybe with three or seven more number ones under her belt. When I say go out with a bang, I don't mean fully retire. I mean after the big comeback she can just announce she's becoming a studio artist (in order to spend more time with her kids) and just release music whenever she feels like it independently.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 1:13)
No Carla (45,914) by May from Denmark
Thanks to you too. I knew a little about him but I went to look for more and reliable info. Like you said, we learn something new every day so your question was good.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 0:35)
They will never be forgotten (45,913) by May from Denmark
At Carlos Belizário. They will never be forgotten, because they are dead. Sounds awful, sounds sad, but is the truth. Maybe MJ did have a slightly better reputation than Whitney when he died thanks to his last appearances where he still had the moves and the voice. But he was being forgotten, the only reason why he was still being mentioned was due to his financial problems. Whitney was completely forgotten. Her last album didn't do that great, her voice was completely ragged and worst of all she fell again into drugs and her daughter was not doing well either (thankfully she is fully recovered and she is looking great). After her live failures (where she forgot the lyrics often, would talk nonsense, would leave mid stage, etc. etc. of terrible behavioral issues) she was left aside, people didn't want to know anymore Whitney, the only places she would be mentioned and only as a mockery was TMZ and Perez Hilton, where the commentary section would be enough to stay completely away from those sites. Both got "revivals" because they died. They had amazing beginnings, incredible mid careers but both fell, deep, in a whole. And MJ accusations about abuse keep even arousing after his dead, true or not, it doesn't matter, he was stained. MC can do much better than that. If anything, tho I don't want her to retire (like ever) if she ever does, she should do it with grace and with great music out, so if anytime people remembers her, it would be as the best from begin to end.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 0:29)
JD's dismissal (45,912) by Marissa from USA
If I were JD I would have dismissed myself from being Mariah's manager. He was the scapegoat for every single negative thing that happened from 2013-now. I feel like he had big plans but was not allowed to fully do his job. Like someone said on here, her firing JD shows that she realizes that things definitely are not working out for the best, so at least she is not completely in la-la land about the situation.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 0:17)
Huge promotion errors (45,911) by Terri from USA
I think it was a mistake that MC hired JD as her manager. I think their collaboration status worked well all these years, as it was. I think JD's expertise is in production not promotion. As manager it was his job to oversee everything, he has to take responsibility. I think he was over his head this time. MC, like every artist, once she leaves the studio she relies on her staff to do their jobs. I live in Orlando FL and as of this date I have not heard one song since the cd's release, not one. The only time I heard "You don't know what to do" was on New York NBC Today's morning show in May when she opened the summer concert series and it was really good. I kept/keep waiting to hear it on the radio and nothing. That is simply unheard of and and unforgivable, a sure sign of extreme mismanagement. I still don't understand how the music is getting no airplay. If I was MC I would be very pissed and very embarassed. BTW, about her being sexy, she is demure compared to most artists out there. She does have diva-ness sewed up , but she's no more sexy than others.
(Thursday 7 August 2014; 0:07)
Mariah Carey's main albums from best to worst: updated scores plus number of outstanding tracks per album (45,910) by Loris from Italy
MIAMTEC: 89/100 (12)
Butterfly: 88/100 (8)
Daydream: 87/100 (8)
Music Box: 79/100 (7)
Mariah Carey: 78/100 (7)
Emotions: 77/100 (7)
TEOM: 73/100 (5)
Charmbracelet: 72/100 (6)
MOAIA: 69/100 (6)
Rainbow: 66/100 (3)
E=MC² : 65/100 (4)
(Wednesday 6 August 2014; 23:35)
Reality show (45,909) by Dove from USA
I agree that it's hard to connect with MC nowadays. The reason I like the song Side Effects is because it's real. This is her experience and many of us have felt this way in a relationship. Of course I would not want Mariah to stay in a situation where she was so unhappy and I'm glad that she got out. I don't condone her ex-husband trying to sabotage her during the Glitter era but I can understand why he would. I'm not a vindictive person myself but I've been around plenty of people who are and have seen people do some crazy stuff to hurt their exes. And these weren't bad people. I know Mariah would not risk the criticism that comes from putting yourself out there this way but I wish she would do a show on Oprah's network like the one the Judds had. I was watching a few episodes and it made me connect with them and like them. I love Marilyn Monroe and The Beatles and I always look up old interviews and books to learn more about them as people. Something really raw and transparent would be cool for the people of the future to watch to know her more as a real person. I know she probably wouldn't. Just an idea.
(Wednesday 6 August 2014; 23:33)
Marketing (45,908) by Dove from USA
Just to be clear my loyalties do lie with MC even though my previous post makes it seem otherwise. I just like to look at things from different angles. Even MC has thanked Tommy for his support at the beginning of her career. We're all human and doing the best we can, nobody is completely good or bad. We can't underestimate the power of marketing and having the right people on your team has on commercial success. I don't have anything to add about JD except I agree with what Mimi L wrote in her post. Also, I wish MC would say what her plans are so that we can know what to look forward to or if we should even be looking forward to anything.
(Wednesday 6 August 2014; 23:01)

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