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Being relatable (48,642) by Jon from Netherlands I understand the concept but I find it forced. None of these celebrities are relatable, no matter how much they try to be. Lorde is relatable now but if she keeps this level of sucess in 5 years when she has 3 mansions I'm pretty sure she won't be. For someone like Mariah (in her own league) it's not about relatable or down to earth (which would be fake and in a way insulting) but grateful and classy. Everything considered I think she makes a good effort (let's remember Whitney with "I'm too rich to smoke crack"). She said no to questions about other females on WWHL and I think that's great. When JLo did what she did to Mariah her answer "I don't know her" was pretty classy. Her answer in 96 to Madonna was not so classy. It's no always perfect but at least is real. When she says she loves Beyonce you know it's true. Most people under the pressure and exposed to level of sucess of Mariah would be insane. I couldn't cope. She does it wonderfully and after everything still puts on a show and smiles. It all comes from the education she got from her mother and the "believe in yourself" attitude. Not everybody has that good of an education. (Friday 19 December 2014; 21:15)

Signature song (48,641) by Jon from Netherlands Jake, you nailed it. I forgot to mention My All but it's pretty apprecited outside the "lambily". In a way Mariah as Hero and AIWFCIY as signature songs. I think both will stay around for long time. As long as there are "Idols" like shows Mariah will stay around, even 100 years from now, because her songs were built for a type of voice anyone will like to emulate. Twisterman, I think it's so interesting how songs come and go. You mention IWTKWLI but look at OSD. Biggest song ever in the States, nobody knows it now. I feel WBT is going the same way. Otti I also appreciate your posts, specially the hate the game not the player. I feel like Mariah wants less and less to play the game. After all she has more important things to do like "taking care of dem babies and singing" as she said in a recent interview. (Friday 19 December 2014; 21:01)

Thanks Jon and re: Marissa (48,640) by nikki from usa Thanks Jon, glad you liked it. Marissa, I felt I did address your questions, but I was more or less summing up specific comments made on the board over the past few months. "Delusional" wasn't a reference to your post, but plenty of people on the board have used that terminology recently. Also, "haters" wasn't a reference to this board. More like the people who can't say her name without cussing and making some derogatory comment about female sexuality or body parts. Basically, other legends were Mariah's age decades ago and multimedia didn't exist. The sheer fact Mariah has celebrities, talk show hosts, and regular posters come to her defense when she is being disrespected speaks volumes. If Aretha Franklin's shoe came off during a concert 10 years ago, it wouldn't have made CNN and Wendy Williams tv show didn't exist to dramatize. It's getting downright idiosyncratic, because there is no news anymore. If the legends of the past were at Mariah's point with Mariah today, they would be getting the same treatment. Instead, in their day, whatever negative press they received would be here today and gone tomorrow. The net didn't exist to harp on anything. (Friday 19 December 2014; 20:47)

Re: Warrior Butterfly (48,639) by Marissa from USA I loved your response and I never thought of the MC situation that way. It is refreshing to hear different perspectives. As much as I like the modern music and songwriting too, the earlier years saw more intricate and sophisticated songwriting from Mariah. It was almost unreal how advanced and sophisticated her songwriting was when she was just in her 20s. In a way, I am glad that Mariah showcased her gifted songwriting in the beginning of her career for two reasons: 1. Her songwriting matched better with her "girl next door" image back then than it does with the diva act. (I think the diva persona is part of the reason that people still can't believe that Mariah is such an excellent songwriter. Don't let Hello Kitty bathroom and Mean Girls quotes fool you lol.) And 2. we live in a generation where excellent songwriting isn't widely appreciated anymore, so if she was currently releasing songs like Petals or Vanishing only sophisticated listeners, a rare breed today, would pay any attention to them. (Friday 19 December 2014; 19:37)

Warrior Butterfly / backward-compatible (48,638) by Edward from USA Warrior Butterfly, I've always thought the exact same thing. When Mariah was in her 20's her songs had more depth, not only lyrically, but also melodically. It was as if she'd started on reverse. Songs like Looking In, Butterfly, Outside, Petals, and Mariah's Theme were insightful and introspective. Once those childhood and Tommy issues were lyrically addressed, she then allowed her inner 12 year old child out, and the little girl refused to go back in, lol. It is the same thing that happened to Alanis Morissette, she was only 20 when she released Jagged Little Pill, but as soon as she'd released her angst through her first three albums, her fans thought she had lost her edge. "MIAMTEC" is a great album, but I've often wondered what "The Art Of Letting Go" album sounded it like before it morphed into "The Elusive Chanteuse". There's not another song similar to "The Art of Letting Go" on "MIAMTEC". (Friday 19 December 2014; 16:39)

Mariah's signature song (48,637) by Jake from New Zealand What are you all talking about? It's obviously Obsessed. No but her signature song is without a doubt AIWFCIY. The only other competition is Hero, but unlike AIWFCIY, not everybody knows it. Other signature songs from her career are: WBT, Without You, My All and ABMB. Maybe Fantasy and Emotions too. (Friday 19 December 2014; 15:03)

Fans (48,636) by Otti from Belgium I love reading posts of Jon from the Netherlands and Baby from Sweden. It's like they both know what it is all about. Bringing the right facts up, sharing their feelings about being a fan, and most of all, being thankful. I want to say something about the signature song, because we are talking about MC you can bring up 2 songs, one ballad and one more up tempo. And leave AIWFCIY out. I'll Be There and Fantasy are also verry popular over here. (Friday 19 December 2014; 14:26)

Re: Questions for positive lambs (48,598) Marissa (48,635) by Warrior Butterfly from USA I think it comes down to what era Mariah was in when the fan/lamb discovered her for them self's Butterfly is a great body of work her image and state of being were in good balance. After watching a special on VH1 called One To One about Butterfly, I found her back catalog I drifting into her early work naturally, 1990-1997. The reason quality of her lyrics and music presentation over all for the alums as a whole, yes these are the WA/MC years and they were great. I've always loved hearing an artist voice there is nothing to hide. "Vanishing", "So Blessed", MIH MTV Unplugged 3:10 mark percussion and MC, "Music Box", GRYMG, "Melt Away" and "The Beautiful Ones" real talent, slow ballad type stuff, but wow. Her later material sounds very mainstream I've caught myself questioning "is that MC" because it seemed less destructive vocally as for legendary honors that seems allude her because the legends seem to accept their age and time in the industry to where Mariah appears to avoid it all together, case in point Rosemary Clooney she aged with her natural state of being and her fans were able to evolve with her. A modern comparison Michael Buble his voice and style are his take it or leave it he don't care, Mariah cares and feels very unobtainable, Michael could go out for drink after the show. Mariah's more mature material was in the beginning introspective full of feelings and narratives everyone could reach and her pop fun was later, so it like she went reverse. (Friday 19 December 2014; 14:20)

Walter Afanasieff (48,634) by Ken from USA I was reading an article on AIWFCIY and apparently Walter Afanasieff said, "It’s a shame, because we had great chemistry. My greatest dream is to work with her again. Mariah, all I want for Christmas is you." Is this true? From what I've heard about how their partnership ended, it doesn't sound like something he'd say. At all. (Friday 19 December 2014; 14:05)

Signature song (48,633) by Dennis from Miami, FL In my country many older people think that Without You is a Whitney's song. I remember many times hearing people arguing that Whitney covered it before Mariah. I consider My All her signature song, at least here. I had 3 Mariah's albums before My All. But after hearing that song on the radio I became a fan. These songs you would hear the most on the Easter European radio: My All, Without You, I Know What You Want, WBT. (Friday 19 December 2014; 13:21)

Jon (48,632) by Twisterman from Brazil Hi Jon, I think that to set a signature song is very complicated, you cited IWKWLI as the signature song here in Brazil, and really this song reigned for a long time here, but after it all that it disappeared and never heard it on the radio and people don't talk more on it (it seems MHWGO of Celine), for a long time, until just before 1998 the people in Brazil only knew Without You, but today it's diferent, but I see that for so many reasons and shows like American Idol, The Voice and others, Hero is arguably the MC signature song here in Brazil. (Friday 19 December 2014; 13:20)

Shelly / Wendy Williams (48,631) by Lee TS from USA See I actually like Mariah's and Wendy's relationship, they like to play "nasty nice" with each other but in a fun way where you can just laugh it off. You have to check out their 2003 radio interview too. In the confines of Wendy's mind, Mariah is always a two tissue watch haha. I like to think Wendy is a secret lamb who just don't know how to express her love. (Friday 19 December 2014; 10:15)

Mariah being sued by ex-employee (48,630) by Lee TS from USA Like seriously, can this woman catch a break? All these negative press/tabloids are so irkful. Yeah, just made up a word we should add that to the lambily dictionary haha. (Friday 19 December 2014; 9:06)

Wendy Williams and Mariah Carey HQ 2005 (48,629) by Dove from USA I went through and watched all the MC/WW clips and I really like this one. This is the Mariah I wish everyone knew. The eternally 12 is actually pretty sweet and endearing but I think it's taken out of context by people who don't know her how we know her. This interview shows that Mariah is smart and can hold her own. She keeps it classy and doesn't let herself be pressured into revealing more than she wants to reveal. I also like that it's long-ish and I feel like we're just friends hanging out. I laughed out loud a few times and didn't want it to end. I hope we get more interviews next year. (Friday 19 December 2014; 5:19)

MIAMTEC is #7 on Idolator editors favorite 10 of 2014's best albums (48,628) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End "Spare us the over-the-top grief about Mimi’s All I Want For Christmas Is You performance: She’s been using those golden pipes for over 20 years, and she’s still supplying greatness today. Case in point? Me. I Am Mariah…The Elusive Chanteuse, her most insanely-titled record to date, and certainly one of her most true to her artistry." Hmmm, the delusional lambs really do get around, don't they? Anita Baker, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Marc Shaiman, Debbie Gibson, Britney Spears, not to mention the Lambily Fanguard of which I am a proud member. Pretty good company if you ask me. If you're not on Team Mariah then guess what? Christmas came early this year and I say, good riddance. (Friday 19 December 2014; 3:50)

Nikki (48,627) by Jon from Netherlands I loved your message. So positive and all based on facts. Certainly there are other facts that would make one less optimistic but your message made me happy. She does get a lot of respect from artists like Mary J. Blidge and everybody that works with her loves her. Mariah is sweet at heart and that's why I defend her even though I see that sometimes there's something wrong. But it's not her heart. Even if she was a horrible person her music is unbeatable. Being a nice person makes me a fan of not only her music but also a fan of hers. Mariah has saved a lot of people from bad situations. Her music is in our hearts. It's not just bubble gum pop. I'll stand by her even if I don't stand by everything that she does. (Friday 19 December 2014; 2:01)

Shelly (48,626) by Jon from Netherlands Unfortunately this is the society we have. It's rather superficial and tacky. Mariah could be out there talking about the divorce but she isn't. She's keeping it classy. Has anyone said anything about that aspect? Of course not. Has anyone said her redintion of Lullaby Of Birdland showcases a different and in certain levels better Mariah? No. When she goes for the melismas some people hate it, when she goes the other direction not a word. Is really having vocal issues the worst a singer can do? What about the bad examples of so many that are out there? Mariah suffers the syndrome of the little girl: when she came out she was the little girl, like a daughter is to a father; then she freed herself and people didn't like to see it the same way a father wouldn't like to see a daughter in short skirts; and when she fails people are happy to say "I told you so" because she doesn't conform to the idea people had of her (like a bitter father). As Mariah said back in the Butterfly era: what I'm doing is pretty tame, is not like I'm going around with whips. So many hate on her because she's "divalicious". Well is that really the worst one can be? It's not like she's actually arrogant and rude to peole. Just a bit histerycal but it comes from being insecure. The general public doesn't get it, it hurts her image but they can always go for a fabricated pop star (that will end up like Britney in 2007). I for one don't need the public to like Mariah. It's their loss. (Friday 19 December 2014; 1:42)

We all know this is not her best year (48,625) by Otti from Belgium The "problem" here on this messagesboard is that some fans are defending MC, because she did already so much for us, from the '90's til now, we never really had to miss her. Between studio albums, there was always another album. MTV Unplugged, Merry Christmas, Number Ones with new tracks, The Greatest Hits, MCIIY. She writes her own songs wich her fans can relate to. Mariah is always being honest about her voice, and that she needs rest to sounding good. And now seeing the media putting her through hell because her mic falls down, or because she misses a note is so painful for someone who puts her all in to her work. We all know that there is a problem with her label, marriage, her weight, her insecurities. Like I said before, give her a break. I know we want the best for her. With her talent, voice, writing skills, her looks, here is so much more to come. (Friday 19 December 2014; 1:35)

Signature song (48,624) by Jon from Netherlands I live in Amsterdam and the other day I was with a piano player and asked him if he knew how to play any Mariah Carey song. He said no but ended up saying he could try Hero (which he did from memory). For a lot of people it's Hero. She sings it more than any other song and the public loves it. To me that bridge is the most epic musical thing I ever heard. When it comes to Mariah it is hard to say which song is her signature one. TGIFY is probably not even in the 10 most known ones. It really depends on the perspective, market and age group. For some people it's VOL. For those more concerned with cultural impact is Fantasy remix. In the Asia market Through The Rain is pretty big. If you go to Brazil is I Wanna Know What Love Is. For those in their early twenties now is WBT. For some it's actually When You Believe (very liked in some markets though technically not a Mariah song). Without You is the Mariah song for those in their 30's, 40's and located in more "ballady" markets (a Celine Dion fan will easily associate Mariah to Without You). Having said that, with time AIWFCIY will cement it's position as her signature song. Don't really know why but it makes me sad. It feels like a fluke, like she got lucky with a song that has the Christmas factor so it gets played every year. I would love to see ABMB be her signature song. It's a brilliant masterpiece that is just absolutely irresistable. (Friday 19 December 2014; 1:26)

What I meant by positive / the unfortunate subcategories (48,623) by Marissa from USA When I asked the question for positive lambs, that wasn't shade or a code word for "delusional". I was curious to know what the people who are satisfied with Mariah's approach feel is causing such media slaughter and disrespect. As much as I wish all of us could be on one accord, there are obviously cliques and subcategories among the lambily, and I define them as follows: 1. Positive: Only post when they have complimentary things to say about MC. I see nothing wrong or "delusional" about this approach. 2. Compartmentalized "positive" lambs: Complimentary towards Mariah, condescending and elitist towards people who give constructive criticism or voice moments of dissatisfaction. Typically are unable to get their point across without belittling others' opinions in the process. Can often be found asking "Are you a fan?" or referencing fellow lambs who have spent just as much time, energy and money on MC as "haters". (Yes, there are people who are actually "haters" of MC but I doubt that they are on this board. I've seen two sentence YouTube comments more vicious than 1300 character posts on here about her.) 3. Tough love lambs: Can acknowledge Mariah's moments of greatness, yet have no issue speaking up about things that seem defective. P.S. Shout out to Jon from the Netherlands who actually answered my question and I agree, a lot of the media doesn't catch on to MC's inside jokes. (Friday 19 December 2014; 0:57)

Marissa/Edward (48,622) by Orkun from The Netherlands Marissa, your message was indeed spot on. Edward, your message about Marissa's and your additional points were spot on too, big time. Very clear, very true. I thought I'd just jump on the same boat. That makes it a "hat-trick". Yea I know, it's a soccer term. Lol. Jokes aside, I definitely am on the same page as you guys. (Friday 19 December 2014; 0:37)

Marissa / isn't it annoying? (48,621) by Edward from USA Marissa, your last post was spot on. If you criticize Mariah, you're not a fan or a positive one, or you are a duck. Once the "Mariah's voice is in great shape and always has been" surfaced on this board, I realized that whoever said it wasn't ever going to look at Mariah's career with objectivity. So, while some praise how Mariah has improved lately, the same people forget what prompted that improvement. She improved because people complained and voiced their discontent. If it were for the "all is right in Mariah's camp" positive lambs, the media would be eating Mariah alive, because they would still be telling Mariah that her first "Elusive Show" was to die for. Mariah has had a rude awakening with this social media era, cellphones, the internet. The dubbing days are gone. It's sad it happened at this point in her career, but the time for consistency has come, and she's been giving us that with these Christmas shows. (Friday 19 December 2014; 0:05)

Jon (48,620) by Dove from USA Re: post (48,591). I thumbed up your comment but since we don't know who's liking our posts: I agree a lot with everything you wrote. It's so annoying to read teenie-boppers write that their favorite is better or more popular than Mariah or that MC fans are "mean" when we're just trying to inform them of why MC is a living legend. Ariana's team are the ones putting it out there that she's the next MC. Something needs to happen to remind everyone why MC is one of a kind. (Thursday 18 December 2014; 23:08)

Wendy (48,619) by Marissa from USA I agree Shelly. As much as I wish Wendy's opinion was irrelevant, she is extremely influential. After continuously watching Wendy's bs, the only people who are going to continue to hold MC in high regard are the lambs because we know who Mariah truly is. The average person is eventually going to get worn down by Wendy's Mariah-bashing. They aren't keeping up with Mariah's good performances, so when they see Wendy Williams only highlighting bad performances and MC supposedly being an alcoholic spending all day crying over Nick, next thing you know they migrate to the comments of her videos saying "Mariah doesn't have it any more". (Thursday 18 December 2014; 22:46)

All I Want For Christmas / Billboard (48,618) by Edward from USA AIWFCIY moves ten places from #50 to #40 on Billboard Hot 100. Most likely it'll peak in the mid 20's by next week. The song is sitting pretty at #32 on the iTunes 100 songs. I can't wait for Sunday where I'll finally see Mariah again after some many years. (Thursday 18 December 2014; 22:26)

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