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RJJ12 (46,076) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I agree with your post. Even if Beyonce didn't promote the album in the traditional way, she used the advantage of her somewhat innovative idea to boost sales and then went ahead and jumped on a tour. Not only that, she had 17 videos to accompany the songs, giving her enough time to keep people hooked while planning out her next move. Basically, the thing is Beyonce probably knew that her album wasn't that great so she used the shock value to get what she wanted and she succeeded. Her being considered the "reigning queen" of the music business currently caused the album to explode. And when the album was cooling down, now she is heating it up again by using controversial remixes using Kanye, Nicki and next is Rihanna. Mariah, trying to do the same was not going to work eitherways (like you already mentioned). I am not saying that Mariah should throw caution to the wind, write average songs and ride on gimmicks to get success. Beyonce is an entertainer, she can afford to release average songs and then take it to the top with her performances, because she can dance her way to the top. What makes Mariah famous is her voice, her song writing, so she needs to be seen out, singing her songs, in a convincing manner, and talking about what the album means to her, like she used to do before. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 23:05)

Abraham (46,075) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Bro, wouldn't hurt you to be nice. If you hate what you read, just simply move on from the message. The whole "the album is for the fans" point is invalid. A record label won't release an album "just for the fans". I didn't call her names. If you don't find it annoying and disrespectful that Mariah no longer addresses her fans, it's fine, must be great to be you. Just because I am (as you so nicely put it) "whining" doesn't make me any less of a fan than you. We all react to situations differently. I did not have one single complaint about the content of the album, Mariah was and always will be way above everyone when it comes to her songs. But excuse me if I find it annoying that she won't save her own hard work. A good 4 years worth of work. So no, please don't tell me how I should feel about it. You have your opinions, I have mine. I'll respect yours as long as you don't imply my posts are "whiny". (Saturday 16 August 2014; 22:54)

Mimi L (46,074) by Abraham from USA Girl please. I'm so tired of people whining and complaining about Mariah. "Where are the videos, promotion?" There are none. This album was just for the fans. It upsets me when people bash or call her names(lazy). She has a life outside music you know. Right now it's all about the next one. And I'm sure it's already in the works. I respect however Mariah decided to go through with the album. Obviously she wants to start fresh. If she hadn't released it, people would be whining. Now that she did, people are disappointed. Just because she didn't shoot any videos. Give me a break. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 21:52)

Mimi L (46,073) by 123 from USA Mariah wanted to pull a similar marketing strategy to Beyonce but got the plug pulled by the label. Beyonce has not promoted the album at all, sans the Grammy performance, hardly done interviews, and has rode the wave of shock that the release caused to have multiple successful tours. Mariah was hoping that by dropping the album all at once digitally would cause a stir and that the music would carry it's success. Unlike the Beyonce album, Mariah's was full of great songs from beginning to end. Unfortunately, the poor roll out and the label publically announcing the following day her Billboard interview was released that they would not be following her wishes was a big embarrassing blow. It's sad that she just dumped the project instead of working hard and clawing her way back to the top. Same thing happened with E=MC2 and MAOIA. They both had great songs but she didn't promote and the label chose the wrong singles. They though the shock of her shot gun wedding (Benny's idea, marketing her like JLo which failed), and her response to Eminem would be enough to build interest. The public doesn't have enough of an interest in her love life to make a career out of it, JLo, nor do they care about her beefing, Eminem to cause excitement. The public wants classic songs with great singing/live performances. That's what made her special and what made her famous. She needs to go back to that. She has the songs and vocals. but she needs to promote by singing live. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 21:29)

Anything but the truth (46,072) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Read your first response to my initial post. Read your last response. Pick out the contradictions. Learn a lesson, and move on. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to deal with you and I'm not addressing you any further. You really seem to have issues, which are far beyond the ambit of this messageboard. Laters. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 21:09)

Mariah tour (46,071) by 123 from USA I'm glad she is touring somewhere with these new songs. I would love to see them performed live. I've seen her twice, once during the Adventures Tour in an arena and then gain during the MOAIA on Valentine's Day at the Chicago Theater. She will give you a mixture of performances, from fully lipped (Angel's Cry), to live except the high belts (It's A Wrap), to complete live versions of her classics (she came bursting through the doors sanging the bridge of Make It Happen live, with a vengeance, what vocal decline?). I enjoyed it and Asian fans, if you can go, make it happen. It's a real treat to see a legend in action. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 21:02)

The copycat vs. real singers (46,070) by 123 from USA I'm just shocked that an artist who has dissed Mariah and used her name to gain fame instead of her supposed talent is getting love on this board. When their manager tweets she is "the new Mariah Carey yeah I said it", her producers admit to going for the Mariah sound, even calling Walter to get that "Mariah sound". Never Forget You is ripped off in the form of Almost Is Never Enough, and when asked, she says her inspirations are Madonna and India Arie, yet your singing style is all Mariah and your YouTube videos are filled with Mariah songs, you get no love from me. Mariah praised Candace Glover and her cover of "Love Song" craps on anything the copycat has sung. Her performance is soul, it's emotion, it pulls you into a trance and you don't want to wake from. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 20:46)

What's going on? (46,069) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So Beyonce is hiring one big name (and when I say big name, I mean currently popular) after the other for the remixes of her songs from the already widely popular album "Beyonce". Her album broke and set new records, she is on her second tour while dealing with this album (the first being when she was recording it) and oh-hello there she has a kid too and yet she is putting in effort to promote it and going all out on it. Really, as a fan of Mariah, I can't help but be more disappointed. Seriously Mariah where on earth are the music videos? No promotions at all? This isn't 1990s, just the name won't send the album up the charts. Heck even in 2005 she had to work hard to get the album out there. And please don't bother with the she has her priorities changed and she is a mom now. A lot of mega superstars are parents and they are doing just fine. Forget the superstars, regular people are juggling jobs, family crisis, financial problems and all and yet managing to keep their heads above water. And to add to all these, she is not addressing the fans even yet. What is going on? If there is a problem why not just tell the fans. Fine don't say what the problem is, just come out and say something, anything. I am sick of singles being announced and then forgotten, videos being made and abandoned and the sound of crickets from Mariah's side. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 20:38)

New music? (46,068) by Commodore from USA So recently Mariah tweeted a photo with the caption working all day with Big Jam so is she recording a new album? Or arrangements for a performance? Tbh E=MC2 though it wasn't her strongest album it actually was her strongest commercial album. Like it wasn't like she was trying too hard to compete with younger artists and she sounded like she was more relaxed and having fun with that album. If the poor singles choices didn't happen I bet she could've gotten 3 or 4 #1's. Migrate should've been after TMB, then Cruise Control, I'll Be Loving You Long Time as dual singles, then Bye Bye, Love Story as the final singles. MIAM is her best work but IMO the songs are not huge commercial singles but would still do ok on the charts if promoted. I'm not saying she should redo E=Mc2 but the playfulness of the album sets it apart from any of her albums to date. Lastly I feel she should do more songs like #Beautiful because it's a new sound for her and more mature for her age but can still attract younger gen without really trying. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 20:10)

"You Don't Know What to Do" video (46,067) by Eddie Childs from USA Fans, it looks as if there will not be a video for "You Don't Know What to Do" and another great performance of the song by Mariah. Can someone out there put a great mash up video on YouTube out there (using your iPhone) for us to enjoy. Better yet, we could get together and do a tribute video for "You Don't Know What to Do" because Mariah is making us and the world wait too long for the video. Maybe it would give her some inspiration. We can all add our part to the video and submit. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 18:09)

Eastern fans / Mariah's international success (46,064) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines First of all, I respect all fans out there. This is just my observation of most mainstream music acts and how they're generally recieved around the world so I hope this doesn't come across as bragging, especially since I'm Asian. I'll try to put this as objectively as possible. I believe a good reason why a lot of artists that tour around the world usually make sure they make a stop at Asia and Oceania and usually stay there for a while (other than keeping all their bases covered) is because of the extremely loyal nature of fans out here. Not to say fans in the west can't just be as loyal - they certainly can. It's just that fans from this side of the globe tend to be less critical and more supportive and appreciative of their idols. And if they are critical, they're more likely to shrug it off or forget about it at the drop of a hat. They're less swayed by whatever controversies their idols face and focus on their music instead. In fact, a lot of American and even UK acts that aren't that big in their own countries are better known (some even huge) in Asia and Australasia. iTunes chart stats worldwide often prove this, and in response, some artists reward their eastern fans with bonus tracks or exclusive content in their album releases (especially Japan). I think that's partly why Mariah is eyeing the orient as one of her definite tour spots. iTunes charts are very telling of her most fervent fanbases, and recently, those appear to be located in most Asian countries (particularly Eastern), several in South America as well as Africa, as well as Australasia. Where I'm from, I can say that almost every recent release of hers has pretty much shot straight to the top of the charts. I remember a lot fans lining up in front of the record stores to buy multiple copies of TEOM and E=MC2 back then, which is something as most Filipinos consider LPs expensive. As for her reputation, it's still pretty much intact. The younger people don't know her that well, but most still do and seem unfazed by all her diva antics and lip-synch controversies. She is still very much looked up to and her songs get regular airplay. It's safe to say Mariah's releases now do better internationally than in her homeland, which still is a good thing. The obvious problem though is that the western world still dictates who's hot and who's not. The UK and especially the US is what's considered "worldwide", and remain the authority in pop culture, especially in entertainment. I hope she finally catches a break and siezes the oppotunity to recapture these 2 major audiences and make a crack big enough to blow another successful era wide open. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 15:07)

The truth (46,063) by THE TRUTH from USA Stephen, I see that you don't even have the class to abide by the rules and refrain from using profanity which speaks to your lack of respect for the forum and its members. As to my avatar, what do you care? Does anybody on this forum really know the "truth" about what actually happened between Eminem and MC. Get over it everybody, you don't know the truth, only they do but do you really think either of them would have written Obsessed or The Answer if there wasn't much more to the story than you were fed by MCs publicity machine? Eminem is a lot of things besides being an incredible artist, he's someone who has never played games or minced words, MC on the other hand it goes without saying has been challenged in the are of, telling the "truth". As far as being vocal about my opinions, that's what democracy is all about but then Stephen is living in a monarchy. I guess you don't know much about that. It's pretty funny how you went from being all holier than thou and criticizing MC on a personal level as if you had any standing to do so and then when you were called out on it you got all on your high horse like you were defending her (give me a break). Anyway, I'v forgotten more about music and the business of music than you will ever know. Thank you. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 13:06)

Touring (46,062) by May from Denmark I would have love if she toured Europe again. So far only Asia, and let's face it, it's the only place where her album sold and peaked high along with most of her late singles, so it is understandable. I would go to see her if she came to Denmark but only because I've never been able to see her live, I used to live in another country years ago and she only went to that country only one time and just for a tv show, she didn't do any concert, etc. and I've never been in a position where I could travel to another country just to go to a concert haha. This time, if she came here I would definitely take the chance to go see her. But the question is the following, even if she does small venues in Europe and the US like she has been lately, will she sell any seat, if her album hardly sold? People didn't show interest in buying her album and late music, will they pay more for a seat to go see her? Apart from any hardcore or huge fan. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 11:17)

Edward (46,061) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I love Yours Truly as well. And yeah, it is too bubblegum for future rediscovery, but it's one of the most impressive, consistent, and cohesive debut albums from a young artist I've heard in years. And yes, her new songs are following that template, but at least now it's a bit bolder and is more varied. Of course she'll never have Mariah's beyond-her-years songwriting when she was starting out, but if you listen to Ari's new songs, they're some of the best of the entire current music scene, especially in this era inundated with either countless tired odes to getting down or getting nasty. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 3:33)

Enwar00 and The Truth (46,060) by Tarraga from New York City Hey guys, I just wanted to say that I really like both of you for keeping it real and thank you for not being a** lickers. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 3:27)

Stephen / Ariana (46,059) by Abraham from USA I brought her up to make a point and to explain and give my thoughts on the situation, which in my opinion, is no big deal. I know a lot of people(both men and women) who loved Mariah and who like Ariana and they were turned off by Mariah and what she said in that interview. They don't like her anymore, and didn't buy her album. But oh well, that's them. I stand by Mariah, however, by you thinking that working 4 years on an album doesn't count as hard work. Hilarious. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 1:57)

Stephen / The Puppet Show (46,058) by Edward from USA Stephen, I was just going to address "The Truth", but then I realized you did a great job. "The Truth" has been very opinionated and critical of Mariah ever since he started posting here, yet nobody has jumped on his throat for been so vocal about his feelings. It is such a paradox that the guy with Eminem as an avatar is rudely questioning somebody else's honest opinion. Some might not give two fucks about the Media, but the Media definitely affect Mariah. When they eat her alive for lipping, and knowing how insecure she can be, I know she doesn't take it very well. It would be great to see Mariah on an intimate concert, but singing her heart off. I want to pay to see her do what she does best, sing. No gimmicks, no distractions, no background singers overshadowing her or singing the most difficult parts. Her voice is all she can give us, so I don't see anything wrong in wishing her to get it together. I saw what happened to Whitney in Australia and other venues, I would be devastated should anything remotely similar happen to her, that would crush her. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 1:31)

Correction: post 46,054 (46,057) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I meant to say "take seriously" in the first line. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 1:31)

Stephen / Mariah the singer (46,056) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines You're right. Normally, fans would always jump at the chance of seeing their idol live, regardless of whether they perform the whole concert live or not. The fact that some fans don't want Mimi to tour (possibly to spare her the impending criticism and further image-tainting, fearing that she'd mime or botch her performances) indicates how it only took less than 2 years of bad decisions and appearances to tarnish her reputation to what I fear might be an irreversible situation. Before Idol premiered last year, Mariah was fine, even with a failed single and an escalating diva identity. Now, even her great new music can't steal focus from her image. It seems like more and more people are almost starting to treat her like they do Miley or Bieber - not taking her seriously and possibly just waiting for her to implode one day. This emphasizes the fact that first and foremost, Mariah Carey is known as a singer, and one of the best that ever graced this earth for that matter. If that's taken away, she'll just be a caricature. She should get back to that. Care for her voice more so it would serve her better even through the most unforgiving of schedules. I'm hoping that she gets to see the damage and somehow takes solid steps to address them. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 1:13)

Edward / work ethic (46,055) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Hey Edward, I'm glad you understand my point. It's good to know there are people on here who can keep it real. I'm not gonna respond to everyone else individually, but in terms of work ethic, I'm not for one second buying that making an album over 4 years somehow constitutes working hard. Normal mothers may have several kids, two jobs, a home to maintain amongst other things, and all without the aid of a nanny or the support network Mariah has. Most people don't have the luxury of being quicker than anyone else to fire a nanny. That's the reality. She has time to promote a soft drink, but not her album. Fans need to be real and think about the message Mariah is sending to her fans by taking such actions. I don't expect her to work like she did during TEOM, as her life has changed. I get that, but Mariah has been nowhere to be seen. I'm glad we got MIAMTEC, it's a great album, but I don't want any more music until Mariah sorts herself and her voice out. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 0:50)

The Truth (46,054) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I'm sorry, but I'm not going to take a post by someone who refers to their self as "The Truth" on a Mariah Carey messageboard, and has the cheek to use a picture of Eminem as their avi. There's a certain unintentional irony which makes you look ridiculous. Take a seat, and go learn the art of common sense. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 0:41)

Abraham (46,053) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I wasn't speaking for all fans. The clue is in the use if the word "some". I appreciate that you may have your own reasons for wanting or not wanting to see Mariah live, and fully get why concerns over her voice may put you off. We'll have to agree to disagree re work ethic and attitude. I'm not going to try to validate my opinion, because it's just that; an opinion. However, I must point out that I never referred to her diva antics or Ariana, and tbh I don't understand why half of your post was on Ariana. (Saturday 16 August 2014; 0:37)

Work ethic (46,052) by Jenny from South Africa I think Mariah had an incredible work ethic for almost 20 years. She worked so hard that she collapsed from exhaustion in 2001. If she wants to enjoy herself and her children now then I think she's more than earned the right to slow down. I wasn't sure she would put out any more albums at all after the babies were born so I'm just grateful she did put out an album and it was a really great one. I understand that fans are used to more and that some people feel she needs sales in order for the record labels to want to put her music out, but she's rich enough to do it herself if it ever comes to that. I feel sad when fans think she should be working harder when she gave us 200% for so long. (No disrespect to you Stephen, I understand where you're coming from and I generally enjoy most of your posts. ) (Friday 15 August 2014; 23:10)

Stephen (46,051) by MimiLamb from Germany I don't want Mariah to go on tour but not because of the reasons you said. I want her to feel confident about herself and her singing. That's not the case and I understand that she wants to work on herself before taking this step. She works hard so to say she doesn't again a point were I disagree. The diva attitude never bothered me because I know its a "public persona" she shows her funny sides enough as well. It's cool that you see it like that and others as well, but it's not the whole fanbase/lambily that see it like you do and have other reasons why they want her to wait or not tour right away. With that said a wish you all a great day/night. (Friday 15 August 2014; 23:07)

Stephen (46,049) by Abraham from USA No, no, no. The only reason I would not want Mariah to tour is because of her voice. It has nothing to do with her attitude, lack of work or where she is now. Mariah's diva antics don't bother me that much. And she's done nothing that has turned me off or not love or respect her any less. The little shade she threw at Ariana in that Breakfast Club interview was nothing. She wished her the best and longevity. Which was more than enough. I don't see any reflections of Mariah in Ariana what so ever. Other than the whistle register. I think Ariana is a beautiful, talented young women. But I don't think she's on Mariah's level. And lack of work you say? I hope you are referring about the promotion. Because Mariah did work hard on the album. And I'm proud of her. I've never had the urge to see any artist in concert. But if Mariah were to come to Texas, then just maybe I might consider. After all, she is Mariah Carey. All I would ask if she gave it her all. Sing live, a lot of hand and body movements. I want to see her confident and shut the place down. (Friday 15 August 2014; 22:19)

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