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Yokohama huge improvement (47,212) by automatic_prince from Germany Hi there, I am a new member. I've been following the discussions here for a while. And I have to say how happy I am to see Mariah's performance hugely improved in Yokohama tonight. She changed the part in Vision Of Love she struggeled with in Tokyo and got through the song a lot better. Good job Mariah, very good job. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:05)

Her tours, Miguel (47,211) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada And some others that compare them. 93's was [...] vocally and criticism was more on her stage presence [...] what they used to consider a very good singer technically that expressed no passion at all but vocally was on top. It's not the same to sing VOL, IDWC, Vanishing, Someday, Emotions, AIYM, MIH, Without You, Now That I Know, etc., than TMB, That Chick n Obsessed ([...] lip them). Proof: Hero NY 93 MB Tour. Her 96 mini-tour was great as well though her voice wasn't as soulful and powerful but [...]. Butterfly tour was a pity, she looked gorgeous though. Rainbow was really bad. Charmbracelet well, I know everybody loves it but to me it wasn't that good, certainly her best post-Butterfly album tour. TAOM was terrible. at least here in Montreal and the official DVD sound really bad and she lipped a lot like Fantasy, ABMB, DFAU, STN, etc. This TECT sounds even worse than the Butterfly/Rainbow ones. Someone mentioned her Hero [...] on Oprah 97 and yes, I remember it like it was yesterday that all of us fans were in shock and not only [...] that one, back then we were so used to her incredible performances that even Hero with Clinton and Butterfly on Letterman/SNL were a concern to all because we noticed how much she was strugling to deliver something unknown of hers before. Hope, really, that she'd do whatever it takes in order to regain some of her gone vocals but I truly think it's not coming back, sadly. And she doesn't seems to care either. She needs to humbly accept this and do something at least. (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:46)

Stephen and Edward (47,210) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I would just like to make it clear that I think the posts you guys write along with some other people are well thought out, respectful and have really good points. Even messages where you might criticize MC, you guys have been nice about it. I also wrote negative comments here and got into mini fights for saying negative things but I try to be respectful. So you guys don't really deserve the hate. However the recent posts are straight up aggressive. I can't believe her fans are hating on her so much to tell her to actually retire. In my last post I wrote that people should move on to other artists. This is something I used to hate hearing and never wanted to tell others but honestly if "lambs" are "mortified" and "embarrassed" and disgusted by Mariah then why waste time on her? (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:40)

The lambs are bleating (47,209) by Lee from UK Here we go again, the "lambs" won't have anything negative said about Mariah's vocals. Then they go bleating on about how those who are complaining are not fans or should move on to another fan base. All I hear is baa baa baa. Yes, going through a divorce isn't a pleasant experience and I understand how it can have an effect on Mariah's voice but what has her excuse been for the last 5 years when she was seemingly happily married? I remember some "lamb" here once blamed the weather for a poor performance. I believe the time has come for us to stop looking at external correlations and begin looking at Mariah herself. (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:17)

Another thought (47,208) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter For those saying Mariah should retire or bow out, I want to say something that I usually don't like hearing and that is, please feel free to move on to other artists. I used to dislike it when people say this when there were slight negative comments on Mariah but with some really aggressive comments I think it's appropriate. If Mariah embarrasses you, if your image/credibility is being tarnished in front of your friends and families because of Mariah's condition, then get off the Mariah train. Either ways many people already abandoned her judging by her current sales, so why don't you all move on too? I, on the other hand would be more than grateful to hear new songs from her. I will still be proud enough to show her songs off to people. Also someone questioned something like whether we will still believe she actually hit those great notes on MIAMTEC. Yes, I will. A studio is a controlled environment. She has multiple takes to get the perfect one, she can take breaks and rest her voice in the middle. She can have her teas and lozenges she takes for soothing her voice. She can sit in a room with humidifiers to get her voice right. So yes I believe those stellar notes were real. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:39)

Oh wow, seriously guys? (47,206) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I am shocked and appalled by the comments here. I respect this board because it's a balance between MC's good and bad reviews, but wow I am really horrified by the amount of negative messages posted in the last 2 days. I don't think so many messages were posted when MC put out a stellar album just months back. I see many of you have many demands and I saw a particular post with specific demands, what I call the "I want her to. . . " post written by the lovely Andrew. Here's what I want from people being overtly aggressive, 1) I want you to remember MC has said time and again she doesn't prefer belting and hitting high notes on every song but she does it because that's what her fans always wants. 2) I want you to remember the fact that Mariah has been probably one of the greatest role models to younger girls and boys since she came out (no drug abuse, no drama). Yes she openly drinks a lot now but she's in her 40s, when she was younger she maintained a great image, something that can't be said about the "role models" of today. 3) I want you to accept the fact that airbrushing is mandatory nowadays. Nobody is claiming that Mariah on CD and album cover is the real Mariah, there is a reason it's called album art/magazine shoot and not candids. Even MC acknowledges it saying that the person you see on posters and magazines is not the real Mariah. I can assure you if she puts an unedited picture on the cover you all will point out her imperfections and complain about it. 4) You want "universal" songs? I say no. I am a MC fan because you can just hear her song and know it's her. "Artists" nowadays come with so called universal songs and people can't distinguish whether it is a Katy Perry song or a Rihanna song or whatever. I love and admire Mariah for her writing ability and making each song stand out. So no I don't generic songs from her. 5) You don't have to pity her and know her to relate to her songs. Mariah said many times she leaves her songs open for others to relate to it. When I hear WBT or Camouflage, I remember moments from my own lost love not Mc and Nick. When I hear Bye Bye, I only remember my grand dad not Alfred Roy. When I hear Side Effects I attach my own memory of being dominated not necessarily by a lover. I can go on. So I think her songs are very relatable. If you don't feel it, your loss. 6) It's embarrassing that she wore a gown to the subway? I guess she should come out of airport wearing a shell bikini like Gaga or walk around with squirting cone shaped bras like Katy? It's easy to sit behind a computer and bash a woman who has tried to please fans for 25 years ruining her prized asset (her voice) in the process. Yes there is vocal damage due to drinking but most of it comes from her sensitive chords and singing difficult songs for years. I am sure if you guys are asked to tell all these to her face, you all will just end up saying nothing and clicking a selfie, allowing her to stand on her good side. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:15)

Yokohama tonight (47,204) by ksquarred from paris Yokohama tonight. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:45)

Vocal decline / Edward (47,203) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I think it's apparent for all to see that Mariah's vocals are in horrific shape. Some may deny it, but I think a touch of honesty is in order. Edward, don't you find it interesting how a lot of people have picked up on what you and I have been saying for a while, and have now criticised Mariah? Yet, when you and I have done the same, for the same reasons, they hypocritically jumped on us. Unfortunately, that's the level of what appears to be the large majority of this board. Quite frankly, I'm sick of posting a message containing my opinion and then having to deal with ill informed, and to be honest, rather stupid people. At this point, I no longer have the desire, nor the inclination to post. If the webmaster could give you my email, it would be much appreciated. We can start our own dialogue there if you should so wish. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:44)

Vocal surgery (47,202) by Jono from USA I can see why Mariah would be hesitant about getting an operation. It's directly on her greatest gift and can be unpredictable. Obviously everyone knows what happened to Julie Andrews, but she was operated in 1997 back when technology wasn't as advanced. The most recent case I can think of is Adele, who actually sounds so much better post surgery. Her surgeon said that the voice being affected is actually really rare. Who knows, I just want Mariah to be healthy and would hate to see her voice abandon her by the time she's 50. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:01)

Seriously? (47,201) by Miguel from US What kind of fans are you people? Mariah has had great and bad vocal moments since the 90s. Remember Mariah's first tour? Listen to some of the audio of the Worcester concert. She does not sound like her Tokyo Dome concert in 1996. Compare her Rainbow and Charmbracelet eras. Her Charmbracelet era blows Rainbow vocally. Listen to "My Saving Grace" or her "Vision of Love" performances and you'll see how beastly Mariah's vocals were at that era. Then TEOM and E=MC2 and they were ok, but then MOAIA arrived. It was not her best, honestly. Though nobody liked that era, it was my fav voccally. It was raw. 2010-2013, she was at a great vocal state. Now, not so much, but who cares. I'm 16, and I'll defend Mariah with "My All". She made me accept myself and gave me the guts to live in a world full of negativity. Who are we to judge Mariah? We are nobody. Take a mic and sing in front of thousands of people. Better yet, why don't you express your negativity at Mariah's face? We, lambs, must be giving support to Mariah. Leave the gossips to idiots. I love Mariah, and even though I don't know her personally, I reserved a place in my heart for her. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:50)

I'll always be there for you M (47,200) by Dove from USA (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:26)

Surgery (47,199) by S from Well if there had to be a choice between her never singing again because of the current state of her voice or to get surgery on her vocal cords for her nodules, I guess the latter might as well be worth a try anyway. Adele had surgery on hers when she was a the peak of her album 21's popularity and it went succesfully as one can hear on subsequent recording like Skyfall. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:07)

Mariah, I know it's crazy but you still can touch my heart (47,198) by Dove from USA As long as I shall live, I'll hold you dear, and I will reminisce of our love (for you) all through the years; from now until forever, and ever, you will always be the only one. If you should ever need me, unfailingly, I will return and unburden your heart. From now until forever and ever, you will always be the only one. Never be ashamed, call my name and I'll be there. I'll reach out my hand to you, I'll have faith in all you do. I'll be there to comfort you, I'll be there to protect you, with unselfish love that respects you. I'm so glad that I found you. And after all this time, you'd think that I wouldn't feel the same, but time melts into nothing, and nothing's changed. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:06)

Reply to Marcel from Canada (47,197) by The Real Truth Hurts from United States First of all you [censored], how dare you steal my name. I've been using the truth hurts for years. Are you that pitiful you can't come up with a name for yourself that you steal someones else name? Second you're obviously not a fan so why are you here? Is your life that sad and pathetic that you have nothing better to do then spend your time going around Mariah's message board to spill your crap? That has to be the saddest thing of all. Get a life loser. Lastly you obviously weren't at the concert and you basing your crap on 15 second videos that people posted on Instagram. If you ever went to college you'll understand not every country has the same economy as Canada. The price tickets for a show for Mariah in Asia or Australia currency may seem a lot but if you do the conversion to it's the same price as other artists charge. (Monday 6 October 2014; 17:35)

Truth hurts (47,196) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada I support Andrew, Anthony and those others who've been loyal but realistic and are now suffering the "lambstampede" on them, the harsh attack by the lambs, those that live in utopia making excuses for so long. On MC's voice, is this new? No, it is not. She's having the same vocals (sometimes better) since late 97. Am I shocked? Not at all. Does MC deserves this? Yes. She does because she's been like this for 17 years now and has done nothing in order to get (at least try) her voice back. It's her life so she can do what she wants? Sure it is. Is she a pro by doing so? No, she isn't. Charging people for attending her "concert" and sing like that, half the songs lipped and the few she sang live were a disaster is plain wrong. She's said she's not a dancer, she's a singer and people pay to hear her sing. Well Mariah, then sing and sing well. You can't? Retire. Do something. She's always been money oriented, nothing wrong with that, so she's not moving from it. We're the ones who're wrong by paying for everything she puts out, the few of us that still buy her music. But to those that weren't aware of how bad her voice's been and just hear media and herself calling her "the voice" and went to her concert, she's disrespectful. Time has come and sadly but truly this is gonna be the treat by the press she'll get, the one she built. Hope she'd realize this before it's too late (if 17 isn't late at all) and come back again at least to close her career gracefully. (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:50)

Vocal solution (47,195) by JAXGH from United States Lambs know the phenomenal live singing 1995-6 Mariah never came back. After working at a non stop pace, an album every year, in the studio day and night, travelling and performing endlessly. By late 1997, her nodule fold has taken its toll. It was obvious as husky tone, hoarseness, vocal breaks and reduced vocal range started to happen. I know Mariah never really wanted to touch her God-given voice. But what do you guys think? If the nodules were to be removed, her voice would be stronger, fuller, less airy, more controlled, more magical. That Mariah might come back. It's safe to say learning to "sing" through vocal nodules is also taking its toll. Listening to MSG 1995 "Hero" to the one now really makes me a little sad. It's such a huge difference. I feel like surgery really will help. I know it's a huge risk as it is her a huge part of her professional career, but what else can do you? Vocal rest, vocal training, relaxation, aerobic exercise, and a healthy diet. Mariah pretty much did everything you can do. But the live golden "voice" never quite came back. Surgery is usually relatively safe. I'm sure Mariah's got the hook up with the best doctors. I am not putting her down please don't think that. But this is the only solution that might just save her career. What do you guys think? (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:39)

David (47,194) by NHYTG from nyc David, I just did and I was thinking the same. (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:12)

The supposed drastic decline (47,193) by David from Australia For the haters complaining that Mariah has lost her ability to sing and that she's going the way of Whitney due to one night's bad performance, please take a look at the second Tokyo show which she performed at tonight. That's all that needs to be said. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:43)

The Tokyo travesty (47,192) by B from USA Her voice isn't shot. This is nothing new. Her voice is fragile. Personally, I thought she did ok. She sounded heady like she has a sore throat or a head cold. She sang 23 songs that would exhaust even a young singer. Why the media is always trying to tear Mariah down is beyond me. She's The Voice and they can't take that away. Her voice will be a signifier of what a truly outstanding God given gift sounds like. Mariah of the 1990's will never be duplicated, sorry Ariana. Show some respect. Aretha's voice isn't what it used to be but you don't see the media telling her it's time to retire. Sad. How some if you can even call yourselves fans is beyond me. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:06)

Vocal coach (47,191) by ktktkt from Philippines This may sound really stupid but can a vocal coach bring some of her voice back? I've seen posts on YouTube saying about that. But IMO, she doesn't really need a vocal coach since she always has that impeccable technique and she's vocally gifted ever since she started. I'm not sure if it's her drinking alcohol or whatever that dries her throat up causing her to lose her fluidity when singing or probably aging. But it happened not so "gracefully" especially from her vocal peak (1996) then right after that the very obvious tired sound in 1998. How I wish something magical would happen again and bring her 1994-1996 voice back because she was fearless that era in recording and in live performances. But I have to say aside from the "voice" I'm happy that her face is aging gracefully and she looks exactly the same more than 10 years ago. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:01)

Stop the drama (47,190) by Marco from usa You lambs need to focus on your own lives and what's going on in them. Negative comments is negative people. (Monday 6 October 2014; 14:43)

Andrew (47,189) by Bill from the UK I don't think I've ever read such poisonous messages on here before in all the years I've been visiting this website. If Mariah does "go the way of Whitney" as you so eloquently put it, I would be happy that I was supporting her when she needed her fans most of all, as opposed to running her into the ground and kicking her when she was at one of her lowest moments personally. I would never speak to anybody the way you have spoken about Mariah. You can get your point across without being callous and mean spirited. Anthony believes your posts are a display of "love"? I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. You're just a troll and probably loving every minute of it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 14:25)

MCLAFAN / May (47,188) by Abraham from USA Thanks, I meant every word. May, I agree with the Whitney and Mariah comparisons. But it wasn't just the drugs that ruined Whitney's voice, it was the smoking. (Monday 6 October 2014; 11:39)

Billboard / so sad (47,187) by Marcus from Brazil It is so sad to see comments on YouTube for the full "Always Be My Baby" clip. Die hard fans that would've killed you if had said something negative about Mariah are now sad and disappointed. No, they are not putting her down, but they have come to realize Mariah has a problem she has to address. Nobody is buying the "she's getting a divorce" excuse. Some others are saying she shouldn't go on with this tour. That whole clip is unbearable to watch. God, please allow her to redeem herself on the next show. Mariah should sing not more than 15 songs. But songs that don't seem to be that difficult are giving her a hard time too. It is not only about the belting part, it is like she can't harmonize and everything sounds flat. If there's a time for Mariah to give up anything that might be affecting her voice, it is now. People are now watching closely. God bless her. (Monday 6 October 2014; 11:22)

Mariah getting panned (47,186) by Lee TS from USA Omgosh guys, the vocal issue is really making its rounds. I just saw a clip of ABC news The Skinny commenting on it. It's not just the blogs anymore like Perez and TMZ. Watch Wendy is gonna put it in her hot topics on Monday. I have to say the debut performance of the tour was a "complete and total mess, in fact". All you have to do is listen to I'll Be There and ABMB, she just couldn't pull through. I hope she was jetlagged, under the weather, or something. I mean, she did only arrive to Japan like a day before. I really hope she can "make it happen" for the upcoming shows. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:59)

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