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Complex (64,738) by Giselle UrbanPoshBeauty from US of A No shade but I was getting Wendy Williams vibes in every picture. Mariah is starting to favor tacky Wendy Williams, it's the blonde hair and tacky pantyhose and those drag shoes. That's all. (Thursday 28 July 2016; 2:51)

Poor Mimi (64,737) by Giselle UrbanPoshBeauty from US of A Every time I see a candid shot of her she's got a glass in her hand. She's listening to her own music at restaurants/clubs like some narcissistic (s/p). She's forever in some tacky pantyhose now and some bloody awful outfit. Her facial fillers are making her age badly. She keeps Stella and her wannabe Khardisans (s/p) daughter around because they tell her everything she wants to hear. I've never seen where she's on vacation with her fiancé and yet her manager and kids and entourage are always around. I'm shocked Jimmy Packer sticks around. Mariah is way over the top, she probably has Stella there in her room while she's making out with Packer. Mariah is lost and a lush, poor Mimi. I love you Mariah but truth hurts. (Thursday 28 July 2016; 2:44)

Glitter (64,736) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Oh my gosh that's "Glitter" being played in the background. Haha is Mariah finally acknowledging this gem after so may years. (Thursday 28 July 2016; 1:20)

New lamb (64,735) by EmotionsLamb from USA Hi Lambs. It's emotionslamb here and, I just wanted to say hello to everyone on the board. I always read alot of the posts here but never created an account. I've been seeing loads of good things, and some not so good. As a result I decided to join and speak out. (Thursday 28 July 2016; 0:48)

Re: Theme (64,733) (64,734) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter If she wants a comeback in any capacity, she will have to set everything up in advance. This is where Stella can show what she is capable of, if she is capable at all, apart from partying and getting her name in the magazine articles alongside Mariah. Mariah should learn by now that just by using her name she can't get commercial success on new projects. Yes people will still pay good money to watch her in Vegas and tours for the nostalgia, but for her to push her new material, she can't rely on her brand. She needs to not only woo back her original listeners but also appeal to the newer, younger audiences (if she wants another successful era). But even success aside, the cheapening of her image needs to stop and if she is really the diva who loves everything luxurious, she needs to act like she has the budget to pull of luxurious visuals. And no that doesn't mean her laying half naked dripping in diamonds. We all know she can do that everyday. (Thursday 28 July 2016; 0:39)

Re: Theme (64,730) (64,733) by RibbonB from USA I doubt Mariah has anything that well planned out. First Beyonce's success was because of a well orchestrated and secret concept to create music and associated videos. I wrote about Lemonade here when it first came out and I was instantly impressed. Mariah's problem is she lives and works like a focus group, where she leaks and teases and tries to drum up internet interest. She does not seem to have the confidence to work, write and film privately. The past year has been a public, spectacle of excess. If she pulls off a unique surprise it won't be anything like what she has been putting out this past year. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 21:39)

Illuminati (64,732) by Giovanni from USA If Mariah did in fact join the Illuminati then we definitely should be expecting that next number one. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 21:29)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,729) (64,731) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Lol. Thanks, Andrew. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 21:15)

Theme (64,730) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter If she wants to venture into the dark, moody, artsy territory, I'm fine with it. Songs like BGK, "The Roof", "My All", "Looking In" are some examples of dark and moody songs that I really love. "My All" already had a very sultry yet haunting look about it and it's one of my favorite videos. In my mind I always wished for a dark, moody video for BGK (the opportunity lost on that one, just too much, my heart still aches for that). Anyways another example of a dark, moody song I really liked recently is "6 inch" from Lemonade featuring The Weeknd. It's sexy, and dark and mysterious. I love it. I don't necessarily love the video, but the song is great. Whatever direction Mariah goes, I know I am repeating myself, but I hope she has a good budget for visuals and promotion. Say what you want, most people didn't just get into Lemonade on first listen, no matter what they say. Ya they might have liked one or two songs, but it took more listens to like the album as a whole. But what caused the main hype around it (aside from supposed Jay Z bashing, which was a stunt) was the visuals. It left people mesmerized. So since Mariah is already into her next album, I hope she really has a promo/visuals plan in mind if she wants it to get mainstream success. She has been listening to Lemonade, Rihanna's "Work" and The Weeknd, all of which has a moody, dark, mysterious vibe to it, so maybe that's the direction she is headed. I am glad she is actually listening to recent songs and not avoiding them like she did with MIAM. It's not a bad thing to draw inspiration from other artists. Although I understand why she must have not wanted to get influenced during MIAM because she wanted to tell her life story. But ya I am glad she is listening to other popular songs. I hope we get some good collaborations too. This will also probably push her out of her comfort zone. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 21:09)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,726) (64,729) by Andrew from UK Deedre, yesss. Yesss on the photo shoot logic and yesss on your putting your photo up. *tips cap over bleach blond hair and airbrushes resulting pap photo* (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 20:49)

Illumate your life (64,728) by Andrew from UK If you believe in the Illuminati you are a [censored]. Now, I censored that myself. So if you do, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being a pretty soft word that would accurately describe a fool, let's say, oh, "fool", to 10, with 10 being a word that succinctly describes insanely unintellectual people and/or describes genitalia, pick one very close to the 10 and use that. Like a 9. Like a 9 that 8'd a 10, then had a baby with 10 and named it 11. Insert a word that's 11 on the scale and use that. That's what you are. Daesh have a belief system as well. Yours get about the same level of intellectual consideration and respect as their garbage. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 20:46)

Photoshoot (64,727) by Will from England Can't keep myself from just laughing at some of these comments. Illuminati? Please, as if. Haven't we been down this ridiculous road before? And people say that Mariah's the one who has lost it lol. No, it's a different photo shoot for her, it's refreshing, it's moody, well shot and just nice to see her doing something different other than standing against a wall and posing. Nothing more, nothing less. Brilliant articles as well, a hint of the next album is already in the works. What more can you want? (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 20:06)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,719) (64,726) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada It seems like an artsy concept photoshoot. *shrug* Very stylized in that you do "play" and put on a "mask" for the duration of the shoot. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 20:04)

Complex (64,725) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Mariah looks even better in the Complex magazine shoot behind the scenes footage. I really hope when it comes to her new album (which she apparently started working on mid May) and her new singles that she really puts in an effort to have videos like these which look high budget and has a strong theme. No more tacky green screen moments and sitting on a rain forest touching herself. How surprised will you guys be if this behind the scenes doubles up as a new single promo with the title "Eyes wide open"? (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 18:49)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,719) (64,724) by Musti from UK I wouldn't say fishing by the sea and posing in what seems to be an Illuminati induction ritual would look the same or potentially have the same meaning if pictured. Why go to that elaborate length if she's not trying to say something specific? I'm hoping this was just a dark direction for the purposes of the photoshoot. Otherwise I'd be very disappointed. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 18:00)

The Illuminati, really? (64,723) by Edward from USA If we try to find shit on everything, we'll find that shit even if we have to make it all up to validate our assumptions. I'm pretty sure if Mariah were in the set of "Game of Thrones", the Illuminati believers be like: "Wow, it was true, look at the dragons, they look so demonic. Look at the settings, oh, did you did see how they chopped that man's head off, that must've been a sacrifice." I personally think it is ridiculous. The Illuminati supposedly has this huge power and control over the music industry that artists sell themselves to achieve success, well, I don't know what went wrong with Whitney. The Illuminati believers say, oh, Whitney was sacrificed so that Brandy could take her place, well, where's the success that Brandy has achieved? If Rihanna is so involved in the Illuminati, why did she have to basically go back to the drawing board when the concept she had for her album wasn't working out as she expected with her first three singles. Well, it seems to be the Illuminati people don't have as much power as some seem to think. Sometimes I laugh because I'm pretty sure people in the music industry play with these imagery on purpose. While some conspiracy theorist have their fix, they laugh all the way to the bank. If the Illuminati is real, and Mariah is in it, she should be having a huge comeback with like 5 #1's before they sacrifice her for Stella's daughter to take her place. Wait a minute, could the Illuminati give Stella's daughter some Kardashian type of talent, well, they don't even seem to have that power, maybe Selena Gomez will take her place. My cell rung three times, the Illuminati is here to get me. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 17:42)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,720) (64,722) by RibbonB from USA Yeah these are all Brett's friends, Mariah met them through him. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 17:42)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,719) (64,721) by RibbonB from USA Well I'm talking about since this last year, when she rolled out her merger with James and her new team. Funny the interviewer called it what I did months ago. Lol. It's not just this one photoshoot, the whole era has been about excess, egotism, elaborate stunts. But time will tell. As always, I wish her and especially her children well. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 17:35)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,718) (64,720) by MusicfanJ from Germany I don't think so. (It's not her real personality.) If she would act like this, let's say the last 5 years ok I would think about it. But this mess is not so long going on. If Mariah likes fake people I don't know. It's although hard to believe. It's just easy to hang around with fake and superficial ones. You can enjoy, party and forget the sad mood. But the awakening will cause a hangover. As somebody on the messageboard said I start to dislike Brett Ratner a lot, because he introduced Mariah to James and maybe to that circus. Or was it someone else? (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 17:04)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,718) (64,719) by Shezz from Pk How about it is what it is and it's not that deep? Just because they've used elaborate props does not mean she's gone over to the darkside. If they had a photoshoot of her fishing by the sea would that mean she's shunned her current life to become a fisherman (woman)? (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 15:29)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,717) (64,718) by Musti from UK I think this might actually be the real her she's setting free, as many others have noted on this board. Perhaps she likes fake people and being half naked all the time is her inner peace. I like the Clash and the Complex photos. I like the dark direction in Complex but the Illuminati signs have really put me off. I was always proud of her for not being "sold" despite her immense popularity. But I guess they all give in eventually. Marissa, you asked what would be a dealbreaker. This has come pretty close to breaking my deal. If she really has been inducted into this organisation, there's nothing left to say. As RibbonB has said, it pretty much explains everything that's been going wrong with her behaviour lately. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 13:41)

Re: Clash and Complex (64,703) (64,717) by MusicfanJ from Germany Maybe the "new look" and behavior is fine for a young audience because they only know Miley and Co. and are used to look at the wannabe sex-sells-celebrity. But for grown-ups it's really hard to watch. This is Mariah Carey not a C-Celebrity. For some reason I think Mariah looks desperate. Remember she was on top of the world with only 25. How could she be total classy with over 30 and now over 40 think that this suits her. But most of all I think Mariah needs to stop hanging out with the fake people. She doesn't need more success, she need's her inner peace again. *Spread your wings and prepare to fly, wild horses run unbridled or their spirit dies* (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 12:36)

Leaked photos (64,716) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter In other news, I really wish Mariah's team would stop leaking pictures of her and James. That picture of James possibly groping Mariah's boobs was so unnecessary, it doesn't even look like there is chemistry, it looks either staged or that this is the first time James touched a woman and hence the surprised look on his face. We all know it came from the team. The pictures are pretty clear and there weren't many people present during that time. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 10:27)

Re: Complex photoshoot (64,704) (64,715) by Andrew from UK Martyn McFly, you are, of course, correct. It's stylish, different and refreshing. Scientology, Illuminati, hallowe'en, Wes Craven, Armageddon? You couldn't make this nonsense up. Oh wait, they did. God bless America. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 8:26)

Complex behind the scene video (64,714) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter This video is a behind the scenes of the complex shoot. Setting aside all the illuminati vibes and all that, I think the visuals are quite stunning and rich. It feels high budget and artsy. I hope her videos get better now that she seems to be confident in her own skin. (Wednesday 27 July 2016; 8:23)

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