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Sabotage (47,559) by Orkun from The Netherlands As a final reminder, please please be aware of sabotagers who really get paid for what they do. I'm not calling names. Just putting the topic out there. So please be aware of the situation. It's real. Just look at how you feel lately when you come to this messageboard. Think. There is your answer. Don't look at the words written. Or the name. Look at the intention behind it before you give a thumbs up or skip. I give thumbs up to messages some of you won't even expect. Even sometimes the ones which are directed at me, when it's well written with good intention. This is a Mariah message board. But the "in your face, haters" messages or "I love Mariah" messages don't get the thumbs up one would expect. 10? 20? Shouldn't it be more? It's the easiest way to get thumbs up on a fan board. Sabotage much? We all know how to do it. It's the easiest thing. Some crave the thumbs up, no matter the cost, and some crave their messages to be read and to be heard. Know the difference please. You may be supporting people who, in real, hate Mariah. Every word of mine is sincere I swear. Peace. (Thursday 23 October 2014; 11:23)

Baby / Jono (47,558) by Orkun from The Netherlands Baby, perfectly written message. Great sum up. Jono, you attacked me personally. I read your last post and I agree with what you say. I'm sorry you got bullied in the past which I think 99% of this board has gone through. You have attacked me, my profession (life coach), and have tried to gang up against me with some people. Here is the story: I got bullied as a child. That made me a life coach to protect myself and others who suffer from the same. Of course, Mariah was there for me too. And as a Mariah fan, I am not expecting a "congratulations" but respect. You seemed to have chosen the other option. Bullying back. That is how you came across to me. Your last post was nice and very well written. Let's all move on. (Thursday 23 October 2014; 9:58)

"I'll be There" in Malaysia (47,557) by Chicago Lamb from USA She sounded absolutely superb, really working the melody within her range. She's finally warmed up. (Thursday 23 October 2014; 7:29)

Dwayne Johnson promoting his movie in Beijing, China (47,556) by Lynn from USA It appears that Dwayne Johnson, Brett Ratner and producer Beau Flynn were in Beijing, China, on October 16, attending the premiere of their movie Hercules at the Wanda CBD. There was also a picture of Dwayne visiting the Great Wall on October 18. I wonder if they were able to attend Mariah's concert since she and Brett are really close. (Thursday 23 October 2014; 6:38)

For the instigators / Cry (47,555) by Marcus from Brazil For those haters who thought that Mariah couldn't lip-sync for her life anymore, here's the proof that she still can. She lipped "Cry" perfectly in Kuala Lumpur. Her voice is back. (Thursday 23 October 2014; 6:26)

I want a tour DVD (47,554) by nikki from usa I hope this tour is extensive like Charmbracelet. I want a tour dvd that gives a little bit of "the best" from each concert and behind the scenes footage. You appear to be doing some extras out and about anyway. Then, bitch slap Bartels until he releases the CB tour on dvd while you're at it. Use your share of the money from those 2 dvd's to promote your next album yourself. Whatever you make will still be more than what Def Jam put into this release. Baby girl, you need a team. I don't know where your manager or publicist is at. You could always go the Shakira route and hire lawyers. Some blood thirsty ones that only get paid when you get paid. You'll be on the air faster than you can say, "Payola can kiss my ass." (Thursday 23 October 2014; 5:18)

Mariah Carey AMA 2015 (47,553) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Mariah Carey is a nominee for best r&b artist at the 2015 American Music Awards. [...] (Thursday 23 October 2014; 2:45)

Jono and the lurkers (47,552) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End The haters are still here. They are very "creative" in their endeavours. Instead of posting, they do thumbs up while they lurk in between finding new ways to criticise, put down and shade MC and Lambily. It's not that Mariah can't sing anymore now, that horsey refuses to stay beaten and on the ground, after we've all seen a full concert and individual performances where Mariah obviously took back the reins of her vocals and slayed her entire catalogue like it was nothing. Instead it's: the whistle registry is a gimmick, the rest of Mariah's voice is chopped liver apparently. And how hilarious is it that one would apologise for the use of something as innocuous as a but not acknowledge the toxicity of one's own hateful words directed at Mariah and those of us who love and support her. I'd tell them to have several seats in the nearest stadium but every chair seems to be occupied by a lamb these days. I guess it's hard out here for a hateher. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 23:38)

The Art of Letting Go (47,551) by Jono from USA "You're delusional, you're delusional." One only has to click on my post history (and I had been posting far longer on a different account back in the day) to know that I am not being paid to somehow sabotage Mariah's career (using reverse psychology, apparently) but uh interesting conspiracy theory I suppose. Reading that dig was quite upsetting actually, because I am such a huge supporter of Mariah. She was the first concert that I ever went to. I've introduced my friends to MC's catalog and they have a new found appreciation. The only reason why my last two posts were more aggressive was because I feel super protective of Mariah. This was a woman who saved my life with her music back in junior high, back when I was being bullied to the point where I was terrified everyday of going to school. I also connected with her on the whole racial identity issue; she is a huge role model. So I feel this unwavering devotion to her, because I see her like a guardian angel. So whenever I see unnecessary negative comments, especially from people who are supposedly fans, I get defensive because it just seems ungrateful to me. Am I always satisfied by her performances? Absolutely not. But I'm also thankful that she is still doing this for her fans, when she has more than enough reason and money to just retire. I suppose I could use a lesson or two on "The Art of Letting Go" when it comes to dealing with negativity. As Lambily we may disagree and fight, but it is all love in the end. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 23:17)

The Elusive Tour summary (47,547) by Twisterman from Brazil This is not new that 'The Elusive Chonteuse Show" has impressed everyone where have it been. China, for example, became the main stage of Mariah Carey and her team in the last days. Provided that she landed in Beijing for five shows in Chinese territory, the musical critics and the press, in general, only wove praises the musical icon named Mariah Carey. The performance of Mariah since the first show in Japan was impressive. Problems with the microphone, with stereos and with the technique in Japan reflected negatively to her image in various places of the world. Mimi was widely criticized and believe me, she did not like it. Dissatisfied with the repercussions, she started to improvise more and more on her music and performances only improved, outside the sound drivers were even smarter. After all no tour is not perfect in the beginning. Songs like "Without You" and "Vision of Love "gained new arrangements, new improvisations and Mariah became safer than she really is. The last stop of the diva was in Shanghai, where she made one of his best performances in terms of vocal training and the best in terms of audience. Always acclaimed by fans, Mariah showed for what she came and do it great for approximately 50,000 people. The Hongkou Stadium was chosen to host the tour that rocked the country over the stage, because Mariah is the only artist to fulffil five stadiums for shows on tour, another record. Mimi kept the intro video with your achievements throughout your career and [...] dancers have entered the stage to the sound of rap by ODB in Fantasy (Remix feat. O.D.B.). She followed with "Shake It Off". Rocked with "Emotions", sang "Cry" and the beautiful and romantic "My All". Continued with "Heartbreaker (Remix) / Heartbreaker", the hit and the wonderful "Beautiful". Sang "I'm That Chik" with band intro. Mariah still kept "Honey (So So Def Remix feat. Mase)" but she surprised everyone with the return of "I'll Be There" which is always sung with his friend and vocal backing Trey Lorenz followed with "Thirsty" and "Meteorite" during the tour that has been the basis for the presentation of the dancers while Mariah costume changed. Then it was "Hero" that drove the crowd crazy, after she sang "Supernatural" which in our view should be shown only on video and was closing the show with 'We Belong Together / We Belong Together (Remix)". But Mariah is so amazing the she returned to the stage and spoke in Mandarin with the public. To bid farewell to Shanghai she sang "Always Be My Baby" and came out with "Outro Butterfly (Reprise)". Your biggest audience was the Shanghai and also show their best, because the conditions were excellent vocals. Unfortunately Mariah have not sung the hits "Vision of Love", "Without You" and "All I Want For Christmas Is You", but as we reported, pollution is very strong in China and climatic conditions do not always favor the Mariah. Summarizing the eighth show of this tour, the singer Mariah is indescribable in every way possible. Best of all she was more secure, and ready to face your next stop: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 20:24)

Clothing (47,546) by G.G. from USA I'm liking the outfits she wore on stage in Malaysia. Much better. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 16:58)

May (47,545) by Orkun from The Netherlands Yes I hear you. Thank you. I'm sure some people really were writing overly negative and I might have missed it. Thank you for the clear up. Appreciated. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 16:01)

Tiny correction (47,544) by Orkun from The Netherlands Everyone, in my last post, there is a smiley at the end that got there by accident. It wasn't my intention. I noticed it after the post. My post was very serious and I would never put a big smiley face at the end of a serious, good intended message. Please ignore the smiley. Thank you. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 15:56)

Marcel (47,543) by May from Denmark Not having much time left I will keep it super small. I disagree with you on this, I quote you "I haven't heard any single performance in this last tour that has any improvement in her voice". There has been improvement, just need to hear the first full concert of this tour online and comparing it with the last one, big improvement. If you mean compared to Adventures Of Mimi and such, I think she is doing par or even better for some songs. And that is not really a bad thing. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 15:23)

Letting go, letting go (47,542) by May from Denmark And you know how the song goes haha. Orkun, I think you missed the whole bunch of comments when Mariah started her tour back in those days. I myself speculated and juggled some ideas, from a cold, to deep emotional issue, to her throat being damaged and her nodules stuff. Everybody added a bit of something of what it could be for them but it was clear there were some pretty awful messages, lots of negativity running at times, discussions that escalated to bad places. I'm already done and done with the idea of a re-release and such for her late album, I think it was a great album with some superb songs, some that I probably don't really bother much listening to (I already gave my list and opinion on each song when it came out, as I purchased my favorite ones on iTunes). But I would like to leave that era behind, she is clearly singing better every time and surely she has new songs under her sleeve. At this moment, I much rather have new material. Her previous album could have done amazing with a refreshing video for either YDKWTD or Meteorite, but it didn't happen and for me it's already past. I still enjoy the songs and will always but I would like to move on from that point, much like with Glitter, which I truly loved, from the photos, her sexyness, the danceable and uplifting songs to the sweet ballads, everything. I still love it and all but when it hit rock bottom that time as well, the best was to move on. Her come back was big, no doubt she could have it all again. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 15:10)

On the same boat Marissa (47,540) by May from Denmark I have very little time today but I definitely will spend it writing this tiny post (holidays have been over, business is back). I've been reading the site, still haven't keep up with everything. I've been loving MC last videos, the very last one with the fan wow. I don't know how the girl kept it together, I would have fainted of excitement. I agree with you Marissa that her whistle register has always been there, pretty much was the sure thing she has always hit on stage, which I like every single time but I don't feel "that's what makes Mariah" for me, personally it has always been the powerful notes, the amazing belting, the angelic baby voice, the energy with which she performs, the whistle for me it's just part of the amazing combo. But I understand when you talk about her "full voice" kind of thing. But lately she has been singing so great, when she sang "Without you", one of my long time favorites, I almost died, it sounded so good. I'm very glad everything is working for her, so in the end, yes, this tour might end up in high notes, making it maybe more plausible the idea of an UK tour. I'm still hoping that such a thing will happen. I'm not concerned for tabloids because they are not my cup of tea but pretty sure they are more busy now with Renee Zellweger change of face, than anything positive about any celebrity. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 14:52)

RJJ12, Mariah and more (47,539) by Orkun from The Netherlands Thank you for your post, I couldnt agree more. I was honestly very surprised about the "haters" topic yet again. And I also agree about your reasoning why there are less posts. To some: who are the invisible haters? I haven't seen even one here. Without any judgement, looks like some are fighting their inner demon. Not with any of us. Who and where is the enemy? Its really funny. Some create unexisting haters and when Mariah hits a note, they think the haters are crushed. Maybe they are crushed indeed. Who knows? Again, to some people I say: if you wanna attack haters that actually do exist, why on this messegeboard? Maybe some of you have been ganged up against in other forums and left. And here you want to gang up against people who are not here. It's like searching for a pen at home which you lost in the grocery store. I sincerely believe some among us are getting paid to sabotage. It's a real existing job. And they know who they are. Not all. Some. I'm not falling for that. Mariah will survive all, you'll see. Enjoy your paycheck. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 13:31)

Surprise fan video in China (47,538) by 123 from USA I’m so stoked to see this video. She’s actually doing things she used to do during the Charmbracelet era and bring fans up who really went out of their way to see her. It think it's great that she chose China to do this for a fan, she has never toured the country except for one date in Shanghai in 2003. Who knows when she will tour there again? I hope that she continues to do this throughout the tour and do special things for fans around the world and video it. It’s a great way to chronicle those special “moments” in her tour with her personally interacting with her fans. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 9:49)

Jono (47,537) by 123 from USA Please stop trying to stir the pot. The board has obviously gotten quieter because everyone is tired of the fighting. Regardless of whether you are super critical or eternally supportive, regardless as to what vantage point you think is right, we all can agree it got out of hand. Hey, I was the one that was called delusional on this board, and that isn’t a slight to the poster who said it because the topic is dead and I’m over it. So I just ask that let things be and help keep the new peace so that everyone can continue posting again respectfully. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 9:39)

Joho? (47,535) by Orkun from The Netherlands Some people try to destroy MC's carrier by getting on blogs and write seemingly "positive" but they are ill intended and they are getting paid for it. Are you one of them? Talking about haters all the time, while there is none on this board, makes you creepy. You don't come here for Mariah. You keep talking about haters, we have heard you. Popular phrase of yours: time for you to move on. It's really getting old. Very old. Creating "haters" that don't exist and replying to them is only a game in your head. This is a Mariah board. If you want to aim at haters, go write on That Grape Juice. Then it might actually mean something. Yes, they might pay you too. You're always angry and defensive. I toned my messeges down. That's called respect. but no, it's not enough for you. Without haters, what will you be writing? Keep on creating drama. Most of us will keep it real and won't let sneaky bloggers destroy her carrier. Period. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 9:34)

JOnO comment (47,534) by Spir Ja from USA Lots of truth to that. The main thing I'm hearing is that just using her vocal is getting it "healed". Before it sounded like damage, now it sounds like it was "unused" and thus, "unusable" at the time. She follows her gut which is the only way, and is the way she saves her voice. Working it out over time. Thank God she's in tune with that. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 7:11)

Jono yassss (47,533) by Brad Catoe from United States Thank you so much for shutting down the haters. Like why would you even come on a Mariah fan board to say you were no longer a fan. Of course we're all critical because Mariah had been nearly perfect our entire lives but this was just getting down right crazy. Mariah has been the guiding light in my life many times and I will always support her. No I am not a blind lamb, just loyal. People love to see people fall. Unfortunately that was happening here as well. Mariah please don't Gina way into hiding because you're older and not the same as you were when you were 18. We still love you and we look forward to hearing your inspirational voice for years to come. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 7:06)

So true (47,532) by Abraham from USA Where are the people who were negative and so sure that Mariah's voice was gone? Now that she's singing live and improving more and more, none of them have posted. But in all honestly, why should us who stayed believing care? I don't. I couldn't be more happier for Mariah. That voice is back and slaying. I never once doubted her. All she needed was to warm up. The live singing is retraining her voice. Ofcourse there is still some lipping and back tracking, but that's fine, she's getting there. She's been singing songs that many here believed she couldn't sing anymore. "Hero", "Without you", "Always be my baby". And she slayed "Hero" and "Without you" and "We belong together". I tell you all that I am so happy and proud of her. She will get better. She even seems confident on stage just like old times. I've shouted out messages here to Mariah. And I know it's kind of silly because I doubt she'll see them, but what the hell. Mariah keep it up. I'm very impressed and couldn't be more happy for you. Retrain that voice with that live singing. And please keep performing "Don't explain". I love it. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 5:36)

Jono, Mirage_Nunez, Randy (47,531) by Marissa from USA I think people are quieter about her voice because Randy summed everything up in his post. Mirage_Nunez and Randy are right, the least of fans concerns is her whistle register. That is the note that she can always hit. It shut the general public up because they don't know any better. For most of us, the whistle register isn't exciting anymore or the main reason why we're attracted to Mariah's music. It's the icing on top of her full voice. It's her full voice that is questionable, which wasn't addressed in that video. Just because she hit some whistle notes in a relaxed setting (where she always sounds good, it's the live performances that often fall apart) doesn't mean that her voice is in excellent condition or that her vocal instability no longer exists. I wish it was as simple as putting out a 30 second YouTube video and things becoming perfect again but it isn't. (Wednesday 22 October 2014; 1:58)

Haters where you at? (47,530) by Jono from USA Hmm the board has been significantly quieter in terms of negativity since MC released that video a few days ago. Some "fans" were getting cocky, feeling themselves as experts on her voice and appointing themselves life coaches; thinking they know every thing under the sun. Not as brave anymore, huh? Stay seated. (Tuesday 21 October 2014; 22:26)

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