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The supposed drastic decline (47,193) by David from Australia For the haters complaining that Mariah has lost her ability to sing and that she's going the way of Whitney due to one night's bad performance, please take a look at the second Tokyo show which she performed at tonight. That's all that needs to be said. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:43)

The Tokyo travesty (47,192) by B from USA Her voice isn't shot. This is nothing new. Her voice is fragile. Personally, I thought she did ok. She sounded heady like she has a sore throat or a head cold. She sang 23 songs that would exhaust even a young singer. Why the media is always trying to tear Mariah down is beyond me. She's The Voice and they can't take that away. Her voice will be a signifier of what a truly outstanding God given gift sounds like. Mariah of the 1990's will never be duplicated, sorry Ariana. Show some respect. Aretha's voice isn't what it used to be but you don't see the media telling her it's time to retire. Sad. How some if you can even call yourselves fans is beyond me. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:06)

Vocal coach (47,191) by ktktkt from Philippines This may sound really stupid but can a vocal coach bring some of her voice back? I've seen posts on YouTube saying about that. But IMO, she doesn't really need a vocal coach since she always has that impeccable technique and she's vocally gifted ever since she started. I'm not sure if it's her drinking alcohol or whatever that dries her throat up causing her to lose her fluidity when singing or probably aging. But it happened not so "gracefully" especially from her vocal peak (1996) then right after that the very obvious tired sound in 1998. How I wish something magical would happen again and bring her 1994-1996 voice back because she was fearless that era in recording and in live performances. But I have to say aside from the "voice" I'm happy that her face is aging gracefully and she looks exactly the same more than 10 years ago. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:01)

Stop the drama (47,190) by Marco from usa You lambs need to focus on your own lives and what's going on in them. Negative comments is negative people. (Monday 6 October 2014; 14:43)

Andrew (47,189) by Bill from the UK I don't think I've ever read such poisonous messages on here before in all the years I've been visiting this website. If Mariah does "go the way of Whitney" as you so eloquently put it, I would be happy that I was supporting her when she needed her fans most of all, as opposed to running her into the ground and kicking her when she was at one of her lowest moments personally. I would never speak to anybody the way you have spoken about Mariah. You can get your point across without being callous and mean spirited. Anthony believes your posts are a display of "love"? I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. You're just a troll and probably loving every minute of it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 14:25)

MCLAFAN / May (47,188) by Abraham from USA Thanks, I meant every word. May, I agree with the Whitney and Mariah comparisons. But it wasn't just the drugs that ruined Whitney's voice, it was the smoking. (Monday 6 October 2014; 11:39)

Billboard / so sad (47,187) by Marcus from Brazil It is so sad to see comments on YouTube for the full "Always Be My Baby" clip. Die hard fans that would've killed you if had said something negative about Mariah are now sad and disappointed. No, they are not putting her down, but they have come to realize Mariah has a problem she has to address. Nobody is buying the "she's getting a divorce" excuse. Some others are saying she shouldn't go on with this tour. That whole clip is unbearable to watch. God, please allow her to redeem herself on the next show. Mariah should sing not more than 15 songs. But songs that don't seem to be that difficult are giving her a hard time too. It is not only about the belting part, it is like she can't harmonize and everything sounds flat. If there's a time for Mariah to give up anything that might be affecting her voice, it is now. People are now watching closely. God bless her. (Monday 6 October 2014; 11:22)

Mariah getting panned (47,186) by Lee TS from USA Omgosh guys, the vocal issue is really making its rounds. I just saw a clip of ABC news The Skinny commenting on it. It's not just the blogs anymore like Perez and TMZ. Watch Wendy is gonna put it in her hot topics on Monday. I have to say the debut performance of the tour was a "complete and total mess, in fact". All you have to do is listen to I'll Be There and ABMB, she just couldn't pull through. I hope she was jetlagged, under the weather, or something. I mean, she did only arrive to Japan like a day before. I really hope she can "make it happen" for the upcoming shows. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:59)

No more Whitney comparissons plox (47,185) by May from Denmark Here is why I dislike people comparing both voices decline. I'm going to say it like it is. Whitney was a junkie. Period. She let herself be engulfed by that awful man she beside her and let herself go down the pipe. She lost her voice because of crack and other drugs, she didn't lose her voice because she kept singing her butt off, she didn't lose her voice because she went on with a strapless dress on stage on winter times or under the rain like Mariah has done. She lost her voice because of drugs, the ones that she cleaned herself for a short period of time to do a come back because she was living in a box in front of her ex-mansion and someone wanted to help her out and yet she fell again into drugs, did horrendous things on stage, like leaving the stage and the public in the middle of the concert and other things and we all know how she ended up, which I won't bring up to keep some decency for the great singer she once was. Mariah has other issues, she is not a junkie, she doesn't even smoke cigs, is clear that she has physical vocal problems and while she needs to figure out what to do now it bothers me that people say she will end up like Whitney. No (all in caps and with lots of exclamations). So please, stop comparing the downfall of Whitney with Mariah having some hits and miss. At least she is trying and hopefully she will find a way. I honestly think also that the jazz path is the way to go, even more fun reggae songs would do, she is great at it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:04)

Setlist (47,184) by MimiLamb from Germany Even though a part of me is thrilled to see this great setlist, I do think that this is where the problem lies. There are songs on there that we all know are too hard for her to sing live, so I would not have chosen them or change the key. This setlist is way too long and will give her problems in the end. She just wanted to make everybody happy going through her catalogue but with doing that she made it extra hard on herself to perform it night after night. I appreciate the effort and what she tries to do here, I really do but a part of me hopes she will change it up a little and even make it a little shorter. I have seen some short clips that didn't sound too good but I have also seen some longer YouTube clips that where fine. I'm waiting with my final verdict until I have seen a few concerts and good quality videos of her singing the whole song instead of a little parts that last 15 seconds. I must say I love the fact how she's using a big screen so everybody can see her, but also the cartoons and the private moments. (Monday 6 October 2014; 10:04)

Just neutral but optimistic (47,183) by May from Denmark I'm not in shock about the fact that her voice has diminished but I was surprise at the current state of her voice and this is because her late presentations have been actually good, she has been singing good (can't say for her latest Meteorite one because it was playback), so I was indeed surprised when I heard her voice cracking a couple of times. I know that she does try her best, I know she wants to hit those notes but if you see her in those lives where she has this same struggles you can see her face, she looks up, sometimes she mumbles something to herself with the mic down, feeling frustrated for not being able to accomplish something that she could easily do in the past, sometimes she has this face like saying "dammit" and is more than clear her face shows how upset she feels when she can't do something. So she does want to do it, it just simply doesn't happen and maybe she is the first one in need of acceptance. She needs to accept that she can't do things that she used to before. I totally agree with some of the posters who mentioned that probably she does need to re-arrange some of her songs. Like I said previously, this last opening concert sounded okeish, because she sounded nice and sang well a couple of songs while completely missing others. Clearly a re-touching of some songs could do a big difference in the way she presents herself now at days. I don't think at all that she will lose value as a singer because changing the way some of the songs are written. (Monday 6 October 2014; 9:55)

Mariah can't win (47,182) by Danny Cedar from uk Mariah. If she doesn't sing live she's criticised, if she sings live she is picked apart and scrutinised. If she releases a brilliant album with great vocal moments people ignore it. It seems to me she can't do anything positive in the media/fans eyes. What we all should remember is Mariah is a performer and she's on tour, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to lip sync some songs especially as she is human. We know how long it takes for her to record an album and a song and all the nuances so imagine recreating that every night for an hour and half she's a perfectionist and she doesn't have the time on tour. I say give her a break be thankful she's actually wanting to tour because if I was her and I was getting this backlash as well as after my personal problems I would give it all up and think of some expletives to send your way. (Monday 6 October 2014; 8:40)

The art of criticism (47,181) by MimiLamb from Germany That her voice is not really helping her right now is not the issue, the issue is how some of you talk about her. Sure give criticism but please do so with respect, that is what some of these messages lack. It was the opening night, let’s wait and see what happens on the second or third concert. Some points I totally get and I agree with, it's the way it's written that really makes me upset. Sayings like I'm not delusional but I'm real, really now? Disrespecting and talking like she is a piece of *** is being real or being nasty? Nobody is forcing anybody to go to her concert or listen to the clips that are circulating. You think you help her by being mean? I don't think so, the only thing it does is make her even more insecure if she would read them. Again some people have great arguments without losing the respect, I just wished all could do just that. But hey congratulations, the fan negativity made it to the media so it has been heard, round of applause. (Monday 6 October 2014; 8:16)

Good intentions (47,180) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa The animosity on this board stems from our sensitivity towards Mariah. Strong feelings and opinions are being thrown around, but with good intentions at heart. There is a way of remedying a situation for someone (Mariah) with tough love, another way is through unending support. Both are very effective and I think this is where people are misunderstanding one as an attack or as negligence. I don't think anyone on here wishes negativity towards Mariah, however, I think a lot of people are feeling heartbroken watching her in this state: not appearing to be fully engaged in her craft (for one reason or another, whether in her control or not). We all love and want the best for her so that she can continue sharing her best with the world. She is known for indulging in escapism and some of us fear that it will be her downfall, while understanding that it is her chosen way of dealing with stress and personal issues. No one is faulting her for needing to cope, I think people are just saddened and noticing an urgency that is underlying that something has got to change for her to stay in health all around. This is where the misinterpretation and miscommunication is coming in on this board. While some fans are standing their ground in the harsh reality to remind Mariah "where the ground is", other fans feel the answer is to escape with her so that she won't feel alone or abandoned. Again, I see where both sprout from good intentions, we just have to have more compassion all around. (Monday 6 October 2014; 8:00)

It's like that (47,178) by Andrew from UK So basically: "Say stuff we want to hear or don't say anything at all." Typical "lamb" talk. Mariah has not looked after herself or her career and you sit there deluding yourself. "The next album will be killer. The next concert she'll sing live. " And so on. The press is currently reporting a backlash amongst MC fans. People are fed up. No one thinks she's a robot. But people who pay lots of money to go to a tour are entitled to a good return on that investment and support. Don't tell me the chaise longue mumbling shows the support and respect is two ways. I know I sound really negative. Perhaps because I care a lot. I don't believe burying your head in the sand and humouring her awful decisions is going to help. People who support football teams criticise and are negative if the manager makes awful decisions or the players are not applying themselves or don't try hard enough. They don't stop supporting it they criticise so that it gets better. If she goes the way of Whitney, what good would your ignoring the problems have done? I think perhaps that's the most selfish attitude of all. You're too upset by it so everyone has to ignore it. I spare "your" feelings? Peace out. (Monday 6 October 2014; 7:45)

The Elusive Chantuese Show (47,176) by Dove from USA After watching some of her recent performances, what I wish would have happened is for her to sing every song from MIAMTEC to promote it, instead of the older songs. I think most of the new songs are in her current range. Every single song is good on that album. Plus, she hasn't sung those songs much so there's really nothing to compare the performances to. I think that's what makes people sad. She could sing Camoflauge on the chaise lounge, that would be appropriate because it's a damn sad song. I wouldn't even mind if she lip synched Cry, Camouflage, and Heavenly most nights and just sung them live when she felt her voice was up to it. She likes being on a swing so she could have sung YM(E) on the swing. MILG on the piano. Maybe there's not a lot of money for a Taylor Swift style set due to poor album sales. (Monday 6 October 2014; 6:38)

[...] (47,175) by Ty from USA Listen ladies, that's what most of you depressing [censored] are. Mariah has not had good live moments since the Mimi tour, why are you acting like it's a surprise? She gave you ungrateful [censored] some studio magic and magical vocals and the CD is extremely enjoyable but you [censored] did not buy the cd. So shut up. Do not compare Mariah to Whitney? Whitney is dead and is not the biggest selling female in history. (Monday 6 October 2014; 6:36)

Live in the now (47,174) by Dove from USA I watched longer YouTube clips and it wasn't as bad as the 16 second clips that were posted this morning made it seem. I think the shorter clips were the worst parts of the concert. After watching the longer clips, I was actually jealous of the people in attendance. It's not like Mariah goes on tour every year. I liked that she was on the giant screen because I hate when I go to concerts and I can't see the artist. I think a concert experience is what you make of it. You can either complain about everything or be thankful, live in the moment, and enjoy it for what it is. I love Mariah Carey, I'm thankful for everything she has given the world, and I'm not demanding anything of her anymore. I don't believe in kicking people when they're down. I'm sure she feels lousy that she can't sing like she used to, nobody needs to scream it at her, that's not the solution. You can see it in her face, she knows. Either love her and support her, warts and all, or let her go. Why waste your time and energy being negative? That's not helping anyone. To all the people spewing hate: I hope nobody ever shows you the same kindness you're showing Mariah Carey right now. (Monday 6 October 2014; 6:29)

MIAMTEC, tour (47,173) by Ms. Giselle from U.S.A First got to say I'm so proud of Mariah for creating in my opinion one of her best albums in a long time. Mariah is one of those people who is very emotional and if anyone whose been a fan for a long time and followed her. Knows she doesn't handle stress very well at all, She looks sad and depressed and stressed out on tour. She's usually more upbeat and happy. This the late Daydream/Butterfly era all over again. Back then you could see it in her eyes how sad she was. You never can count Mariah out, she'll be fine and will recover. I think after this tour she should take 2 years off the ''music industry''. I think she should explore her other dreams which is to do more movies and possible tv work. Maybe start her own production company and produce tv shows. She would also do good by writing songs for other people. She needs to give her voice a long break and relax it. Hire a vocal coach and give up the bubbly for good. I also think it would be great to see a therapist. No shade at all but everyone could use someone to talk to outside of your usual inner circle. I will always support her and I have no doubt that she's going to be just fine and bounce back. (Monday 6 October 2014; 5:32)

Interesting (47,172) by S from It says a lot when the user comments on TMZ are more defensive of Mariah than many of the ones here right now. (Monday 6 October 2014; 3:54)

The Elusive Chantour (47,171) by MCder from USA So of course blogs (esp Billboard shunning her) have received the not so good snippets of Mariah's opening night (VOL/Hero) but this can go several ways. One she may just finish the remainder of the tour dates officially announced and cancel any future ones or lip the majority of the concert. I say this because Mariah's voice is either a hit or miss. I love the way she birthed new life into WBT but as soon as she lips here comes the complaints. If she puts effort forth and crack on notes here and there more complaints come. Everyone is so focused on the 90s Mariah where she was vocally capable but 2010s Mariah can reach but not fully sustain throughout. This will only make her lose her confidence or it may make her do better but again if she attempts full live and cracks then everyone is here to criticize. To be honest it's like she can't win for losing because she is put on such a high pedalstool as a superior vocalist. I honestly feel like Mariah should do a different arrangement of the songs so it can rule in her favor. If you can't belt a certain part change it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 3:40)

Andrew (47,170) by MCLAFAN from USA Thank you Abraham. You nailed it right on the head. There are countless times Mariah has blown us away and times where she left us feeling like "What was that?" But talent is talent. Abraham, do you think she hired someone who sounds like her to record the amazing vocal filled Merry Christmas II You album from 2010 or the most recent MIAMTEC album from 2014? You weren't at the concert in Tokyo, you shouldn't judge someone who obviously can still sing circles around the competition these days. I was just at her American Idol performance taping last summer and she recorded it live and did 3 takes and they all sounded amazing. Her voice is an instrument that needs care, she could've been sick, she could've just been having a rough vocal moment, we don't know. You want to stir the pot because drama is more entertaining to some rather than the truth. I'm done. [...] (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:45)

Andrew (47,169) by G.G. from USA I agree with most of what you're saying. Unfortunately there are a lot of fans who will proclaim that anything Mariah says and does is great. Personally, I'm disgusted by their delusional lies that they continue to tell. Everything is not ok with Mariah or her career, and if you say otherwise, you're not being honest. Mariah has been going down the wrong path, career wise, for a while now and the proof is in her first week album sales and her numerous horrible live/lip synch performances. When you love someone you tell them the truth, even if it's painful and ugly. Giving someone constructive criticism is not mean. Until Mariah opens her eyes, her career will continue to nosedive. (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:37)

A fan in need is a fan indeed (47,168) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End I'm having a hard time discerning fairweather fans from regular haters. There are rumour mongers going all over the internet spreading the idea of Mariah being a drunk for God knows what reasons. Why are posters allowed to perpetuate the alcoholism rumour as if it's the truth? I remember when Shania Twain had a really hard time singing again after her divorce. Is it that farfetched to think Mariah might be going through a similar situation? I hope she makes a few stops in Europe so I can hear her sing live, I think she sounds great on the longer clips fans have put up like: Don't Explain. I can't wait to hear more audio. Mariah, please don't pay any attention to all of the blatant negativity. You have a God given gift that has blessed millions of people, myself very much included. Be happy, I love you and wish you all the best, see you soon hopefully. (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:33)

Andrew and others of his ilk (47,167) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales Excuse me, they are huge fans. Why else would they seek out a Mariah Carey fan board. How helpful do you think it is to MC to tell her every time she opens her mouth it's phenomenal? I used to because that's what I heard. And I've heard a million Hero renditions over the years as we all have. And as far as I was concerned, they didn't sound as good as 1993 Mariah but guess what? Her other vocals did. Including for other songs like Vision Of Love which is coincidentally my favourite song of all time. My second favourite song of all time is The Art Of Letting Go. I think Mariah is incredible. Andrew isn't posting these things because he hates MC, he's posting because he loves Mariah, knows she's capable of better and hates hearing her throw away 24 years with pitiful performances. You think this doesn't happen? Hardly anyone speaks about Whitney being amazing anymore, they talk about how awful she was at the end. Not because they hate her, but because people can't actually believe such incredible talent can just disappear. I love WH but to me, MC is the greatest artist ever and always will be. Please stop attacking Andrew for his opinions. And before any of you all dare attack me, read through my past posts and read this, I love Mariah Carey more than life. I only give my opinion because I know she is better than what she is showcasing. Divorce or no divorce, she has a job to do and people to impress. If she feels she can no longer do that, I respectfully ask she bows out. (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:21)

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