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Kelly Price (42,172) by Musti from UK I am appalled by that video. How ungrateful can someone get? I agree with Nikki that if Mariah freaked out at all it was probably because of a short notice issue. Although Mariah's background vocalists have to be very talented, none of them are irreplaceable other than Mariah herself. How dare she talk like that about someone who gave her a chance? Did you all notice she said "then I met Puff Daddy"? Ummm Kelly was still Mariah's background vocalist on the Butterfly album. I wonder whether she met Diddy herself or Mariah introduced her to him after they produced Honey together. Again, how ungrateful. The fact that she would bring up a sensitive issue like Mariah's voice only shows how desperate she is to draw attention to herself and her bland material. Peace. (Monday 17 March 2014; 13:35)

Final thoughts (42,171) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia I can't speak for anyone else, I can only speak from my own perspective. So having said that, the purpose of my posts (or responses to post) are never to try to "convert" people's opinions or "to prove I'm right and they're wrong", because I'm intelligent enough to know that it's all subjective. I post just to simply share my thoughts on topics and speak from my heart; and anybody has every right to agree or disagree with whatever I post. Whenever you make public statements or open your opinion for public discussions either everyone with agree, disagree, have mix responses, agree to disagree, or have no comment. Nothing's wrong with that, it's life. It's everyone's right to share their thoughts on whatever's being discussed, because its a public forum. Sometimes you are going to ruffle feathers and sometimes yours will be ruffled, it's okay the world won't stop turning. I definitely see more negative comments on here than positive these days, so I'm not getting the impression that people are afraid to express their thought because of backlash. However sometimes backlash is well deserved. I have no further comments on the Ariana comparisons, I've express all my thoughts on that topic and I'm content with what I've expressed. (*kisses my pinky and waves goodbye to anything related to this topic*) So how about that new album hey? (Monday 17 March 2014; 12:50)

Clarification / musical taste (42,170) by Marissa from USA I am tired of the Ariana discussions, but I just need to make one final clarification (btw I won't be responding back to any comments regarding this). What I meant was that some of Ariana's songs are more relevant to the general public (not the lambily) than MC's past singles, except #Beautiful, which saw significant success. MC's recent singles may be relevant to the lambily, but the music that the general public in the U.S. listens to seems to be music with a ratchet twist, upbeat or more loose (as in not so perfect and precise) i.e. Drunk In Love. I know those aren't every American's preference, but from my observation ratchet music has taken over. I can almost guarantee you that if MC would have released Migrate as a single in 2014, it would be number one because it goes with the music trends of today (that song was so ahead of its time). Whether the lambily likes it or not, sweet, understated ballads like TAOLG or YME don't have a strong competitive advantage over these other more upbeat and club banger type of songs. I know someone may give an argument like "MC doesn't need to follow the trends" or "she doesn't want to do music like that," and that's fine, but there's a price to pay, which is charting lower, lower sales, less YouTube views etc if your music isn't aligning with the general public's taste. As you can see from the lower YouTube counts and chart positions, the lambily can only do so much. We need non-fans to get on board and think the songs are hot too. (Monday 17 March 2014; 9:29)

Terna/ JLo (42,169) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Terna, your post is my favorite among all the Ariana posts. Six words to just put an end to the whole useless argument. Moving on, did you guys check out JLo's new song/video? Terrible, terrible song. I had to stop it mid way because of the annoying chorus and the overall bad quality of the song. I don't know what they were thinking when releasing that song as a single. Mariah can write a better song even while sleeping. Makes me appreciate how lucky we are to have someone who is a musical genius. (Monday 17 March 2014; 9:24)

Re: Mariah's management and voice (42,168) by jaker20 from US I totally agree with you Adam. It is just unprofessional to be hiring your friends as managers. It's fun, but you work sloppily, you're flexible with and don't honor deadlines and schedules, you chill and drink champagne and ultimately not get anything done. Lastly, MC seems like a person whose creativity needs guidance. This has been the trend for years and I'm afraid it'll be the same in the coming years. (Monday 17 March 2014; 6:56)

How many years being a lamb? (42,167) by Anonymous from Just wanna talk about Mariah legacy and forget about the new singers thing. I became a Mariah's lamb back in the late 90's early 2000. I heard Emotions on the radio but I didn't even knew who was that girl singing but at that time, in my country (Peru), her Heartbreaker video was always on a tv program I used to watch and I really liked it but it wasn't like the biggest song or singer I ever heard lol so when they start playing Against All Odds from the Homecoming special I just fell in love with that beautiful voice, her raspy but sublime range, her angelical face. BTW I have to say that that song was No 1 for several times on that show and always been played at the radio. So with the internet getting power I used to go to a cyber and search for Mariah Carey so at that time I couldn't found so much things (YouTube wasn't in anybody's dreams) but when I read about her biography and all the things she achieved in some few years I was impacted. I went to the market and bouht some cassettes (I'm feeling old talking about cassettes lol) and I was more fascinated with my new girl but I didn't speak any English, so thanks to the internet I copied the lyrics and tried to translated by my own and that's how I learned English thanks to Mariah. Oh and my father had a cassette with many ballads and Love Takes Time was part of it and I thought that song was Hero. Hahaha lol. (Monday 17 March 2014; 4:24)

Carla, Edward (42,166) by Stacey from USA Carla, I've was accused by someone a while back as having an in with Eric and this site. Not true. While I have tried to conduct myself appropriately on this board, I too have had many of my posts edited or simply not posted at all. It's Eric's site and he alone decides what gets posted. The rules that apply to you also apply to me and others. It's easy to see your post censored and think you are being singled out. I've felt that way too. However, after posting here for years, I've come to see we all have to play by the same rules. Anyway, just speaking my lame two cents, lol. I do enjoy your posts here. (Monday 17 March 2014; 2:15)

A general message / putting it to rest / no response needed (42,165) by Marissa from USA The entire time I've posted on this messageboard there have been many things said that I've disagreed with but I've never once challenged anyone on their beliefs because it's a waste of energy to me. If someone is calling someone out on their opinion they are either a) trying to convert that person to their beliefs or b) trying to prove that they are right and the person they are responding to is wrong. The only time I've mentioned any lambs names on here is to either point out that I agree with them or because someone has responded to me. Responding for any other reasons than those two typically ends up contributing to the division that people are noticing among the lambs. On another note, I think some people are scared to share what they think because they see the backlash people get for saying things that go against the grain. I think the vibe of welcoming different opinions has diminished on this messageboard. Unless you agree with everything Mariah sings, does and says, you're throwing yourself into the lion's den. I know everyone won't agree but I think unless you're saying something positive or responding back to someone who has addressed you just leave it alone because no breakthroughs/nothing good ever seems to come out of it. Lamb_O_Chop, yes I definitely agree that we should just put this to rest. (Monday 17 March 2014; 1:27)

Re: Kelly hateration is back up vs. backtrack (42,164) by nikki from usa From what I've heard Kelly say, it sounds like she abruptly tried to leave when Mariah needed her. Kelly makes it sound as if Mariah was intimidated by her, threatened by her talent, and wanted her to stay buried in the kick line. She wanted to leave in the '95-'96 during MC's huge Daydream period. Mariah wasn't having it. I could definitely see MC freaking out when she has promotional touring and then live touring to do, and one of her backup singers wants to bow out in the middle of that. Mariah doesn't allow just anyone to be her backup. They have to be as talented as she is and I'd imagine that would be hard to replace on short notice. Trey Lorenz has been her backup forever and she had no problem with him getting a record deal, she even wrote a song for him to sing. And what of Kelly's sister? If MC wanted her in the background so bad, then why on earth would she display the Price sisters (taking them by the hand to the front of the stage, no less) on her concert specials? I'm wondering if that's why Mariah prefers to use vocals from a backtrack instead of live back up singers these days. It's cheaper and you can count on it to be there. I've seen MC live many times and use a backtrack for background vocals while she sings live lead pretty frequently. Just as often, I've seen folks confuse this with "lipsyncing" and assuming it's a pre-recorded track. (Monday 17 March 2014; 1:06)

Mariah's management and voice (42,163) by ADAM from USA I really miss the days when MC's was armed with a solid team who made sure she was scheduled heavily for radio and TV performances, not this sloppy hit and miss team she's had for years. Ever since she let Rachel join her professional team and JD, Randy and other non managerial experienced members of her friends track her career, it's been hell. I don't know why she let Benny Medina go, when he was the best thing that's happened to her career in a long time. I also wish she would stop lip syncing performances and get her reputation back to good standing. Although she's made an impressive career for herself, I'm afraid her misfires of the 2000's will make people forget about her genuine talents. Here's hoping the album is a amazing. I do hope promotion for the CD goes much better than YME and includes a live performance with real vocals for GMA or NBC. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 23:59)

Carla / censorship on MCArchives (42,161) by Edward from USA Carla, I've been visiting this website for 16 years, and only those who have used obscene words have been censored here. It is not fair for you to say that there is only democracy for some here when in fact the Eric(webmaster) has always been very fair. Words like "sh^t", "f^ck" and their derivatives, when written as we know them, have always been edited out or censored here, regardless the nature of the post. And according to the rules, if you're comments towards others here are insulting, your post will also be edited out or censored. I'm not accusing you using profanity on the messageboard. These are just my humble observations. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 23:26)

Torn but I'm still in MC (42,160) by Randy from USA I completely agree that MCs voice, recent releases and interviews has left something to be desired. I will say though that the criticism on this board has been way too harsh as well. I want Mariah to sound good live without lip syncing any part of a song and I want Mariah to release music that the general public (not just the lambily) will like. I do think we could ease up just a bit. Two more things. Everytime I see that clip of Kelly Price it makes my blood boil. Partially because it's true but how classless is it for you to criticize someone who gave you a chance. One should keep those comments to themselves. I could say some really mean things about Kelly but I'm sure the webmaster wouldn't post them. In addition, am I the only one nervous with the silence? May 6? Seems like it ain't gonna happen. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 22:36)

Divided opinions / re: Marrissa (42,158) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia Marissa: If you are speaking from your own perspective then you should've used the words "I" and "I've" instead of "we" or "we're", because it certainly comes across as general. Also as much as I diasgreed with some of your opinions and as ridiculous as I found some of your claims; my purpose in responding wasn't to change your mind on anything. Were you trying to change people's opinion by constantly voicing yours? My purpose is to merely voice my opinion on what's being discussed and I have every right to agree or disagree with an argument anyone brings to the table here. If you have an issue with someone challenging or disagreeing with your opinions, then perhaps posting them on a public forum isn't for you. As for "belittling" or "stooping down", its too late, you've already acomplished those feats when you "belittled" Mariah's lastest efforts just because you didn't care for them. I truly don't understand the logic in using Ariana Grande (or any other female artist) to bring Mariah down by comparing her in a less than way. I don't respect it because it serves no progressive purpose. It's my belief that Mariah is an incomparable artist, and should only be compared to herself. "Honey" and "Sweetie" are terms of endearment, no shade was intended. Did I forget anything? Going back: my issue was never with you disliking her new songs. I just wanted to express that as fan since 1990 that remembers hearing Vision Of Love when it first came out and being blown out that water, that even I don't feel "slapped in the face" by the lastest effort, because I see that she's really trying to please us and give us something great. "It is what it is" whether you appreciate it or not. Lastly: When I agreed to disagree in my last post, it meant "let's put this to rest you're free to continue to believe what you will, and I will certainly do the same". So in the vain of that let's move on, no fault no harm. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 20:17)

Ariana Grande, my two cents (42,157) by Terna from Nigeria There is only one Mariah Carey. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 19:27)

Marissa (42,156) by RJJ12 from USA I have to address your posts because they are filled with inaccuracies. Mariah is not insecure towards new singers, however she is annoyed one artist's team is using her name, fame, and incomparable level of talent to describe someone who is supposed to be new. Mariah has praised Kelly Clarkson, Beyonce, and Rihanna all who are far more successful than Ariana and who are more of "threat" at breaking Mariah's records, especially Rihanna's string of number ones. Mariah may have access to the whistle register, but she sounds nothing like Minnie, hence the term inspired. Mariah was compared to Whitney in the beginning because they have similar sounding upper belts and Mariah was put with producers Whitney worked with. Once Mariah got more control, her sound had changed from Whitney's. Why would Mariah, like you suggested, make songs like Almost Is Never Enough? She has actually already created the same song in 1993 called Never Forget You. So I ask why would she bother to make the same song she created in 1993? You say she should stop making the same sounding wbt ballads and then in the same breath you want her to re-create a song she did years ago. Play both songs side by side, tell me she wasn't ripped off. Ariana shaded Mariah by not naming her as in inspiration when asked in an interview, yet all of her YouTube videos are Mariah covers. Her producer Harmony Samuels admitted to going for the 90's Mariah sound. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 19:14)

Kelly Price (42,155) by Gerald from USA by the way of NYC I watched that entire first season of R&B Divas LA and to be honest Kelly came off as a bitter and angry person who tried to bully the other cast members. As far as her issues with MC I believe it stems from the fact that Kelly was signed to Def Jam first and once Mariah signed to the label she became the first priority rather then Kelly herself. Just my observation. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 19:02)

Ariana (42,154) by Blake from Italy While I agree with many of the negative comments I have read on this site like how the [censored] rather than focusing on displaying the gift/talent which got her where she is, uninspired hookless singles, lack of or poor promotion, general disinterest in giving anything back to her fans other than empty promises of an album that is four years over due, and [censored] from a mother of two, I must say in Mariah's defense that you can't even begin to compare Ariana with Mariah. Mariah crushes Ariana on every level. You can not compare Mariah's musicianship to Ariana's because they are not on the same planet. Mariah [censored] can out sing anyone on the radio period. Mariah's biggest mistake has been to continue singing after she got released from Virgin. If Mariah chooses to [censored] like taking care of the instrument which got her to where she is, then she should just retire and raise her children in a healthy environment. But please stop making absurd comparisons between she and these mediocre artists it's just plain ridiculous. [censored] (Sunday 16 March 2014; 16:42)

Why am I censored? (42,153) by Carol from Spain Democracy on this page only exists for some. I'm accepting everyone's opinion but apparently the webmaster puts censored in my comments because he can't take mine. It looks like I cursed at someone here. Opinions are worth for what they are and I'm not buying fights with anyone, simply because we think differently about what being a fan should be. Like Mariah says, "They can say anything they want to say." (Sunday 16 March 2014; 12:09)

Respect (42,151) by Douglas Smith from Usa The lambs are mixed on the recent songs. I am too but to put others down is childish. I am tired of reading about Ariana here. Go to her fan board if you must. Ariana is inspired by Mariah of course. Not everyone has to like everything all of the time to be a fan. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 10:59)

Hating (42,150) by Chicago Lamb from USA Kelly is a liar. Even after she left Mariah as backup, Mariah humbly featured her as a guest artist on the "Through the rain" remix off Charmbracelet. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 6:06)

Billboard poll for most excited to hear (42,149) by G.G. from USA Go vote for MC. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 3:36)

You're Mine remixes (42,148) by NYHotShotta from USA I'm still waiting for some legendary resung dance remixes by Mariah. I think her last good resung dance remixes were the David Morales remixes of It's like That. I like the beat on the You're Mine (...) remix but I was hoping she'd go in the studio and re-record the remixes with Maryanne, Taketha, Sherri, and Trey doing background vocals. Hopefully, she'll do so with the next single. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 3:07)

Just an observation (42,142) by Marissa from USA I've been reading some of the messages on here and it's sad to me that people take differing opinions so personally that they feel the need to give a counterargument to everything someone says. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Challenging/arguing with someone's preferences are not going to change them. It really just ends up becoming a battle of the egos. If you see that someone believes something different then you, why not just let it go or try to understand the logic behind what they feel instead of just writing them off as crazy, not a true lamb, ignorant, etc? I don't go toe-to-toe with everyone who likes the past 3 singles just because I don't. It's not worth it because it's not personal. Some people just can't handle that not everyone is going to rally around their opinion. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 0:46)

Standing my ground (42,141) by Carol from Spain I don't expect people to agree with me or my views on Mariah's artistry but I keep my ground: no one here has the right to tell Mariah how to sing, how to behave in public. You don't like a song, ok your business, but it's your job as fan to support the artist no matter what or don't cal yourself fans. The fanbase is devided and the US fans don't exist so, even if this album gets a 5 star review I can bet fans won't bother to buy it and I'm sure 90% of them will find flaws on the cover, on the lyrics, on the melodies, on everything. I personally choose to see her artistry and her amazing ability to create a song and appreciate the hardwork and her dedication to her work. This is not being delusional, this is what a fan does: supports. Unfortunally, not everyone agrees. And someone answered me that he/she was an expert on what you like. Well you're not a music expert to judge her. If you choose to buy the songs that are on the tops and forget to appreciate the obscure songs that's your business but don't come and tell me that's what a fan does. [censored] (Saturday 15 March 2014; 23:45)

Mimi L (42,140) by Tiina from Finland Wow, you're really something. You know what, think whatever you want. You just have to be right, don't you? Fine, be right. No wonder you're constantly fighting here, I mean with your attitude. Have you noticed? BecauseI have. I will leave you out from any of my future postings, so don't bother replying to me either, thanks. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 22:36)

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