I can be verry objective. I'm a fan of Mariah since Butterfly. And for me she has the right to lipsyn or miss a note. She is human. And I am thankful, for the way she keeps making music and performs. Since I know Mariah, I feel people always trie to count her out. But she keeps coming out on top. And that is also a reason why I keep supporting her. Like I said, she pays the price because she is still relevant. Why are the haters always comparing her to a younger generation like Beyonce and Ariana? If you want to compare singers than do it equal. For an example: Ariana 21 year old and Mariah 21 year old. At the same age, Mariah had four consecutive number one singles on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, from her debut album. (Monday 22 December 2014; 18:07)
Memorial, everybody's favourite singer (48,725)
by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End
If we want to relive the splendour of whatever era, song, film roles or any other stellar moments, we have our CD's, DVD's and YouTube. One day I know we'll look back on this era and smile as we remember how she wowed us all, from #Beautiful, Almost Home, the AIWFCIY performance on Jimmy Fallon, TAOLG lamb serenade-jazz-extravaganza, the MIAMTEC in-house concert, to TECS, the first annual Beacon residency and even the Rockefeller virus that went around infecting the masses. (Monday 22 December 2014; 16:30)
ktktkt and the vocal gift that is present Mariah (48,724)
by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End
We all enjoy Mariah for many of the same reasons yet also for the opposite reasons sometimes. And by that I mean, things like favourite eras, ideas of which might be her signature songs, who we prefer as her collaborators historically etc. Not to mention all the very personal reasons most of us connect with Mariah beyond just regular stanning that make us such staunch defenders of her not just online but in real life. But isn't it funny how if you ask the Lambily to date Mariah at her "vocal peak" or "prime" you'd find the dots all over her 25 year career evenly spread. Daydream was my first favourite everything but I personally love the Butterfly era the most since the first time I heard the album. I think that's her peak artistically, vocally and as a songwriter. MIAMTEC is, to my surprise, rivalling that for me right now. I love that about Mariah, that she's still digging to give us gold, not looking for any reason to quit even as bleak as It sometimes gets both on and off stage and I'm just so thankful that we are still talking about Mariah because of performances she's doing right this minute, an album she released this year and how beautiful she looks today, instead of being relegated to speaking of her in past tense. 1. Butterfly 2. MIAMTEC 3. Daydream The rest of Mariah's catalogue I enjoy more or less equally, meaning whenever I hear the albums now I easily revert to feeling infatuated like one remembers past adolescent crushes. What do your lists look like? (Monday 22 December 2014; 16:07)
An apology to Mariah Carey (48,723)
by ADAM from USA
Mauro, your message was beautiful. I couldn't agree more with your thoughts on MC's career and voice. I am just grateful for the gift of her music and her willingness to still perform and create new music. Even though she doesn't put out music as regularly as we would like anymore, it's still better than most artists of her caliber. I would also like to state as someone who witnessed her live at Beacon last Thursday, MC's voice is still intact. While it's clear it takes much more effort to emote the high notes and sing in full voice, she's still here and sounds great in person. After watching her live again, I felt bad for being one of the many naysayers about her Rockefeller performance and writing off her talent. What my feelings have now evolved into is that I believe any artist should be celebrated for their gifts. That even though Mariah's voice will never be like it was in 93-96, it doesn't make her any less relevant. Why should she not perform anymore or create music? If she is driven to create music and wants to please her legion of fans no matter how big or small, doesn't she has the right? I know I will support her. I love her voice and talent when she was younger and still do as she ages. In closing, everyone ages in all facets of life from athletes to singers to actors but just because there bodies age it doesn't take away from their accolades or God given talent. Thank you Mariah for being you. (Monday 22 December 2014; 15:49)
Hello from Italy (48,722)
by mauro from italy
Hello everybody. I just wanna weigh in on some of the issues some fans have with Mariah. When you look back at Mariah's career as I can because I am 49, you got to remember a few things. She has been a trailblazer, visionary, intuitive and also someone who has worked hard to be where she is at. Can anybody sustain commercial success when nobody buys music anymore? Hardly. Were there missteps in how her last few years have managed? Many. But if you love an artist you have to grow with them. Times have changed and Mariah Carey is still successful because even with the under performance of Me. I Am Mariah she still manages to be relevant. While others like Celine Dion who has settled in Vegas and anything she puts out flops, Mariah continues on her road of artistic freedom. Time passes foe everyone. Celine lyps in Vegas because noone could sustain that strain on her cords and her voice has changed. Mariah has definitely suffered damage on her chords. We should be supportive. She is free to make all the choice she wants. We may not agree but at the end of the day nobody else can look back at their careers and see what Mariah can. Just be grateful she is brave enough to whether the storm. God bless. (Monday 22 December 2014; 15:17)
Signature song (48,721)
by Otti from Belgium
Personally I think having a signature song is not that positive. It means like you are known for one big song in your career. It's like Toni Braxton has "Un-break my heart", Celine "My heart will go on" and Whitney IWALY. And if Gotye can't do better, than it would be "Somebody that I used to know". Signature song means you are a one hit wonder. Which Mariah would never be known for. Note: I know people who know Mariah by the song Heartbreaker. Even more "I'll be there" is one of her songs that's very popular here in Europe. (Monday 22 December 2014; 15:06)
Christmas Shows / Jesus Oh What A Wonderful Child (48,720)
by Martyn from England, UK
I've been seeing "Jesus Oh What A Wonderful Child" in the setlist for a few of these shows. Did she actually sing it, or was it just Trey and the choir? Can anybody who was there confirm this for me? I would love to hear her sing this nowadays, but I highly doubt she did for some reason. I can't see modern-day Mariah going in for that gospel breakdown haha. (Monday 22 December 2014; 14:17)
Signature song (48,719)
by Andy from Germany
Except for AIWFCIY, I think MC signature songs vary from continent to continent (and even from country to country). For example, "Without you" was a massive hit for MC in Germany and Europe. It is still more popular than "Hero". "We belong together" wasn't doing so well in Europe. Then there is "I want to know what love is". That was huge in Brazil for weeks. So, depending on the market place and the taste of each country in the world, MC signature songs differ. Wishing you all Happy Holidays and a lovely 2015. (Monday 22 December 2014; 13:47)
Edward, Andrew, goats in disguise, Beacon Theater (48,717)
by Marcus from Brazil
I'm still in heaven that I got to see Mariah last night at the Beacon Theater. It was an extraordinary experience. Mariah look stunning, was in very good spirits, and sung with confidence and grace. When Mariah takes care of her instrument, she can still sing very well. Lady Gaga and Mariah should collaborate. Edward, thanks a lot for showing me a good time, and for the mini-tour, I had a wonderful time. It is sad you can't come to tonight's show too. Those who like the name-calling, I hope you don't get to see Mariah live ever, she doesn't deserve to be in the presence of such spiteful goats disguised as lambs. Yes, you self-righteous name-callers are goats disguised as lambs. I'll be seeing the queen again tonight again. Mariah said "I love you" when she saw my sign. Don't hate. Andrew, keep it coming, goats will hate and fade away, fans will stay. (Monday 22 December 2014; 13:15)
There's like people called haters... and we give them positivity (48,716)
by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End
3:40 Mariah: "We are all just living in the moment of being positive and there's like people called haters (no no, Cindi Cindi, one more thing) and we give them positivity. You see I can't even get a minute. Bye." So basically THTB have been on Mariah's radar since 2001, at least? Yeah, that sounds about right, probably why the Lambily formed in he first place. The only question is why you haters are acting brand new? You all been at it for decades, come rainbows come sunflowers you were always there, hating. Congratulations on your dedication. Pity you haven't actually been successful in your endeavours since Mariah is still the same quirky person she always was, but don't dismay, it's the thought that counts. Maybe in another 25 years you will have actually made some small impact with your whining and complaining about non issues or made up disasters. I mean, if you believe in yourselves enough and all that jazz, you could totally make it happen. Don't let anyone ever take away your hate. If anyone deserves to be hated on, it's Mariah Carey, right? (Monday 22 December 2014; 12:57)
Gaga and signature song (48,715)
by Pablo from Spain
I'm so excited to have a pic of my two fave singers together. I would love a Mariah and Gaga duet. Both are extremely talented women and both are super misunderstood. Both New Yorkers. It could work. Anyway, I asked on a message board I post at what non-fans would consider her signature song. (I usually just lurk here, have been lurking here since 1999.) The results: Always Be My Baby, Vision Of Love, All I Want For Christmas, Hero and One Sweet Day. So that might be saying a lot if non-fans can't even decide on what it is. She has too many hits and too many good songs for just one signature song. For me, it'd have to be Fantasy or AIWFC, but my faves are Breakdown and Side Effects. (Monday 22 December 2014; 12:18)
LC and NyHotShotta / Me. I am Mariah... Full of Grace (48,713)
by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End
Thank you guys for those illustrative videos. We all know who is in denial and has delusions of the real state of Mariah's vocals and it's not anyone in the Lambily. But you better believe I'll find great pleasure in the fact that they will go out of their way to avoid addressing the obvious facts that Mariah hits the same notes through every era as if time has somehow stopped for her. Her tone has matured, acquired even more depth, like fine wine but she's kept her vocals in great condition and her range not just in tact but perhaps even more elastic. She deserves to get an honorary degree from Juliard or something for sustaining this level of excellence for over 25 years as a professional singer. Yet they continue to call it a lie when the 100% truth is that Mariah Carey sounds in some respects better than she ever has since her debut. They are simply dishonest and therefore irrelevant to any real discourse. None the less, it's more than a little amusing to watch them contort and twist into every balloon animal imaginable except the proverbial elephant in the room. It's not that Mariah has never fallen down, made mistakes or done every single thing perfectly. It's how gracefully she lands and resiliently picks herself up again that is such a treat. I'm a lamb and I'm proud. (Monday 22 December 2014; 12:07)
She falls so gracefully (48,712)
by Lee TS from USA
This is the kind of diva I like to see. This is way too cute and funny and I love how she's singing for her life when she fell haha. The shoes coming off, running across the stage truly a Mariah moment. (Monday 22 December 2014; 11:44)
MC and Lady Gaga (48,711)
by ktktkt from Philippines
I wish that they would collaborate someday lol. (Monday 22 December 2014; 11:32)
Present Mariah (48,710)
by ktktkt from Philippines
She's slowly getting her confidence back in her voice. It might not be as resonant as it was in her prime but her tone is still the same. I had let go of the thought about her sounding as good as in the Daydream era because only a miracle could make that happen. I'm contented if she could sound as good as Charmbracelet (live). Some would hate about MC doing mediocre performances but let's all be thankful that she didn't go the Whitney route. Give her a break and don't stress urselves too much because the "prime" MC will no longer get back. Appreciate while she's still alive. (Monday 22 December 2014; 11:22)
Andrew / signature song / Mariah soundtrack contributions (48,709)
by this_is_qhm from the Philippines
In all fairness, I also appreciate fans like Andrew because I can relate to how he feels let down by how things have turned out for Mariah over the past half-decade, both commercially and in terms of her public image. I was once as fervently critical as he was, so I know that underneath all the sharp edges, it all comes from a good place. We still need fans like him on this board to give us that bitter dose of reality when we need it, even if we aren’t necessarily fond of his delivery. As for “signature song”, the term is universally understood as the song an artist is most known for. The Mariah songs that I feel are closest to that level of ubiquity and timelessness held by Whitney’s I Will Always Love You and Celine’s My Heart Will Go On are Hero and All I Want For Christmas Is You. Every other hit she has is unfortunately either just regional or really not that memorable. Since both IWALY and MYWGO are blockbuster soundtrack successes, I wonder why Mariah doesn’t dabble in movie soundtracks as often as other artists do. The Glitter soundtrack wasn’t perfect, but it had quite the killer material - it was just released at the wrong time. With her songwriting talent, Mariah should really contribute more to OSTs. Who knows, if current radio refuses to play her songs on their own merit, a movie just may be the perfect vehicle for her towards that ever elusive 19th #1 and reignite public interest. Now all she needs to do is find that perfect flick. (Monday 22 December 2014; 9:30)
Mariah's retire (48,708)
by Mike Dawson from USA
Mr. Edward, thank you for that awesome rare "Misty Moon" clip. Now to the obvious non Lambily. *Nikki* I don't understand how you can be a lover of Mariah and even say the words "Mariah should retire". Maybe you should google Mariah's discography because in between there was Rainbow which garnered 2 number 1 hits. Then, and I know I'm treading on this ice here, but Glitter as an album was not that bad. I mean, got her yet another #1. Charmbracelet was good. Then The Emancipation. Umm, how many number one hits? I'll let you google that too. Frigging Jay Z took out a billboard to congratulate her on her "sweet 16" number one. One thing I like about Mariah is that she doesn't just put something out because "she might as well, while she's got a little extra time on her hands". When you have kids everything changes, and I don't even have kids. I just know that Mariah is still Mariah. And she will not release something that she hasn't poured her heart and soul into. BTW maybe you didn't read the post that The Elusive Chanteuse was one of the top R&B albums of the year. This site is for Mariah supporters. And if I were to hear someone say Mariah should retire in real life, I'd react the same way. (Monday 22 December 2014; 8:52)
Edward / MCArchives (48,707)
by Orkun from The Netherlands
I hear you Edward. Crystal clear. Very nice post(s). In addition, one might indeed wonder about the decline of MC Daily website, as you stated, since Mariah's people are running it now. Clear example of mis-management in front of our bare naked eyes. I've been visiting this MCA website for years too. Now it's like my only Mariah source almost. Also a thumbs up to Eric from me. Let's be honest, it's tough. I'm not missing MC Daily anymore. Though for a while, I was singing "Un-thumb my heart" (Yea, corny joke, yikes). Merry Pre-Christmas to all. Peace. (Monday 22 December 2014; 8:09)
Andrew / Edward / everyone (48,705)
by Stacey from USA
Andrew, keep the posts coming. Diversity of thought works best. If people can't handle it, oh well. That's on them. Edward's point about MDJ should be read again. They tried comment boards after each news update. Look what happened. You had people attacking other fans if one dared to post some constructive criticism. It became such a hate fest that MDJ got rid of the boards. How sad. So, I for one am not going to let a few people dictate the conversation or tell me what I can and cannot post. I'll add my thanks to the webmaster for posting all kinds of articles and allowing all viewpoints to be heard. Peace. (Monday 22 December 2014; 4:22)
Good luck getting a job again (48,701)
by nikki from usa
This article on overtime is weird. I've been underpaid before, many times in fact. I tell them there's money missing in my check. Guess what? They ask how much, verify it, and say it'll be in my next paycheck. It is. The article says nothing about Mariah refusing payment, rejecting it, or even being told about it to begin with. You just work for 7 years, quit, and sue her? Good luck ever finding work again. I don't know who else would want to hire you after that. A celeb of Mariah's status who employs as many folks as she does isn't going to do her own bookkeeping. How do you work in her home everyday for 7 years and not say, "Hey MC, there's zeros missing in my paycheck?" (Monday 22 December 2014; 1:40)
Misty Moon (48,700)
by Marissa from USA
Thanks Edward for posting that video. What a gem. I'm making this my new ringtone. (Monday 22 December 2014; 1:31)
Why Butterfly was Mariah's last album (48,699)
by nikki from usa
That album was epic. It was the epitome of classic, true, and commercial Mariah. I thought she should retire right then because there was no way for her to top it. It seemed as though she did. She created commercial, mature, universal music above all else and was 100% about the music (vocals and time). But, classic Mariah retired. Her next album was #1's and complete closure. She did an epic duet with Whitney which was Mariah's first song for a film that also won an Oscar. For the first time, Mariah was featured on a rapper's hip hop jam with Sweetheart instead of the other way around. She paid homage to her inspiration Marilyn by paying homage to the woman who started her career. She did her first ever real world tour that covered more than 2 continents for once. After that, Mariah was no longer all about the music. She enjoyed parties, friends, and a personal life. Her music became more the kind she loved and wrote about personal and specific experiences. (X-girlfriend) She got involved with movies and creating products. Now, when she gets a hit or critical acclaim I think it means more because the music is more of an artistic expression. TEOM was a perfect blend of classic and retired Mariah. As was #Beautiful. The fact she did a second Christmas album, her Memoirs, and MIAM is announcing retiring the music as her primary. In other words, this woman won't ever truly retire, but her personal life comes first. (Monday 22 December 2014; 0:37)
Misty Moon / Happy Holidays (48,698)
by Edward from USA
For those who celebrate Christmas: Merry Christmas, and for those who celebrate other holidays: Happy Hanukkah, Happy Ramadan, Happy Kwanzaa. I wanted to say that I don't take anything personal here. For those who couldn't see Mariah this time around, I hope you could see her soon. The experience of being in the same room with Mariah after all these years is still beyond this world. I'm leaving you with this little song Mariah sung for a Japanese commercial more than 15 years ago. (Monday 22 December 2014; 0:07)
What is delusion / today is the day (48,697)
by Edward from USA
Delusion: "an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder". Now, according to the definition, a statement like "Mariah's voice is in great shape and always has been" is a delusion and whoever said it or agrees with it, is delusional, as simple as that, without sugarcoating it. That Nick has diarrhea of the mouth is a fact, that he is childish is fact, that he didn't keep his nest warm is a fact, that he took advantage of her is pure speculation, since Mariah isn't a gullible Mary Poppins fool. On a positive note: I'm with Marcus and a couple of friends to go see Mariah at Beacon Theater. I was expecting Marcus to quack like a duck, but he is actually a real fan, with over the top Christmas signs and all. (Sunday 21 December 2014; 23:46)
this_is_qhm, Orkun / the neverending story (48,696)
by Edward from USA
this_is_qhm, your post confirms that keeping your cool and class while getting your point across is best. You didn't risk an ass attack by being agitated, vicious or angry. You conveyed your point of view rather than pushing it onto Andrew. You didn't dismiss his post as wrong either, yet you rebutted some of his views with class. Orkun, be aware that agreeing with Andrew makes the righteous super-fans cook in their own oil. This board is great because of the variety of opinions. I would hate for this to turn into Mariah Daily. Ever since they sold their soul to the "perfect Mariah" image, their site went down the rabbit hole. Eric, thanks for allowing all kinds of news and comments to be posted according to your rules, that's why MCArchives is still popular 17 years later. You've allowed balance, and I appreciate that. I know in the eyes of the super-fans, you are a duck for posting all kind of news about Mariah, and for allowing comments from fans like Andrew, but guess what, we're still here 17 years later. Merry Christmas to you, and thank you again. (Sunday 21 December 2014; 23:14)
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