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Love? (47,231) by B from USA Am I the only one that noticed her voice broke during songs about love? She's heartbroken and upset which affects her voice. Her pride is wounded. And now her fans are turning their backs because of two 15 seconds clips. Give her the benefit of the doubt. She's still Mariah freaking Carey. I'm ashamed that she's not given the respect an artist of her caliber deserves. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 2:23)

Should Mariah go public with her vocal issues? (47,230) by Lyric from USA I have been wondering if the fanbase would be satisfied if Mariah said something about her current vocal state, maybe through social media or just uploading a response to YouTube. Rather than constantly trying and failing to cover up her vocal decline, I sometimes think she would be better off being honest about what's going on. I want to know if her condition is beyond repair or reversable, has she done vocal coaching, etc. Some of you will say Mariah doesn't owe us an explanation and the proof is in the pudding. But as an artist with such a close connection with her fans, how can opening up to us be a problem? With everyone speculating about the nodule operation, it'd be great if Mariah just addressed that herself. Adele went public with her vocal issues and the media and public were very supportive. Mariah frustrates folks because she continues to pretend she is in her prime when she isn't. I also think the recent media attacks are indicative of something. Perhaps Mariah is not as well-liked as she should be and I want that to change. She seems unrelatable and the general public isn't interested in her as a persona. Perhaps if she opened up about the vocal issues, she'd come across more human and she'd have people's sympathies. Either way you look at it, someone losing their talent is a sad thing. I think Mariah could reconnect with the general public by being more natural and discussing her vocal issues like Adele did. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 2:03)

The voice of a generation (47,229) by Otti from Belgium I think people are overreacting here on this board. Give this woman a break please. We all now that this era is not the best. I hoped that this Asia tour would turn out positive and make things better. Yes indeed she don't sounds like in the 90's, and I don't expect that, look at Whitney or Celine, they don't sound like the 90's either. And I think Mariah has a more fragile voice, what makes singing harder. She went on this tour in Asia, just because she is still respected and loved there. I think it's hard being Mariah Carey, everytime she does something bad, people are ready to bring her down. [...] (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 1:50)

Confusing part / vocal nodules (47,228) by Manny from U.S. I'm confused. Why is it that the fans that did not go to the concerts are the ones attacking Mariah. Some "fans" are just rude. You can be "realistic" or "blunt" without being insensitive. I have read different comments on this message board, others and YouTube. The people that were at the concerts talk more positively. Just something that caught my attention. Mariah has said she has had vocal nodules since she was a little girl. On YouTube I watched videos on nodules and you see how irreversible the damage is. With the nodules, there is a threshold on the vocal range and it'll crack on certain notes. Another doctor online said they're like a calluses on the vocal cords. The cords are supposed to be flexible to vibrate and made sound. Who knows how bad Mariah's are? If I was a singer and my doctor old me I can get a surgery to remove them with the risk of not singing or even talking, I wouldn't get the surgery. People say there's new technology but there is risk for any surgery. Vocal cords are real sensitive. I'll like to be more compassionate towards Mariah knowing her instrument has the nodules. If it has bothered you since 1998 that her voice is not good, then maybe Ariana can be your new Mariah. And why did it take so long to stop being a fan? (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 1:25)

Andrew, Anthony, Stephen, Edward and whoever else (47,227) by LC from USA Do you really think all the lambs besides you and those who agree with you are stupid? I mean, really. You don't think we know the condition she's in? The condition she's been in for more than a decade? You really think that we think everything is perfect and good with Mariah's voice? You think that we don't know and haven't known that Mariah's voice today isn't even close to her voice in her prime? Wow. Maybe you should use your favorite word "delusional" on yourselves, instead. We know. We know she lip syncs. We know that she cannot hit the notes like she could in her heyday. We all heard and watched the same videos you did. She sounded bad. Really bad. She delivered some of the worst vocals of her career. But the difference between we "delusional" ones and you? We are here to support, understand. Not bash, ridicule and disrespect Mariah Carey. We care about Mariah, the person, not just the singer. And, contrary to your belief, we are not "delusional". We know that Mariah isn't at her best and we all wish she would confront her issues and get better. But we still respect her and her artistry. I know that everything you are saying is coming from a loving place, as from all of us. But, some of the things you say are borderline disrespectful, distasteful and rude. That's all I'm trying to say. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 1:06)

Marissa, Andrew / the voice (47,226) by Edward from USA Marissa, I agree with your last post. Andrew may have been harsh, but he is a fan like most other fans out there expressing his frustrations. And I don't believe he is a hater at all, if he were, why bother posting anything at all. Excuses like: "she's married now, she has two kids and a husband, she's getting a divorce, the weather was horrible, the altitude was different from the one in the US, she's jet lagged, she didn't sleep well, she didn't rest her voice, her boobs were pressing too hard against her chest, she couldn't hear herself, she had the flu, she had a cold, she had laryngitis, she farted, got out of air and couldn't hit that note" are starting to sound ridiculous. Any great singer has his/her bad days, but when it comes to Mariah most of us are nervous every time she performs even if it is a single song. I hope she does something, because the situation is so bad she cannot even harmonize the regular part of her songs. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 1:06)

Sharon Osbourne and hosts of The Talk support Mariah (47,225) by M from UK Today the ladies of The Talk tackled the fan attack Mariah saw this week after seeing 15 seconds Instagram clips where she failed to hit a high note. Sharon Osbourne says, "If she'd have wanted to, she could have mimed the whole thing. She chose not to, so obviously she didn't know her voice wasn't up to par. To say retire now is ridiculous. Everybody has a bad night." To see the full segment, visit CBS's The Talk YouTube channel. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:59)

I would like to know about Yokohama (47,224) by Lee from USA I mean, people on this site said that she improved her voice in this concert. On Wendell, he/she is not an example of honesty. This drag queen said that Beyoncé had an abortion and Will Smith was gay. And Wendell never mentions anything when her favorite artists or celebs fall short. I don't see how no one talks about the show that she sounded great in yet ramble about the one that she misses the high notes. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:44)

Last night's show (47,223) by Jeremey Carey from United States Last night's show was a big improvement from Tokyo and I'm so proud of Mariah. I think that this was definitely a step in the right direction and as she continues to protect her voice it can only improve. I really loved her VOL performance, she belted and started running across the stage and I got my entire life. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:32)

Mariah's UK tour dates - March 2015 (47,222) by M from UK These dates are yet to be confirmed, if they are then we'll be there for the once in a lifetime experience. I hope that majority of the fans can take time away from criticizing Mariah's voice so that they can come too. Just saying 18th May 2015 - Liverpool - Echo Arena 19th May 2015 - Newcastle Upon Tyne - Metro Radio Arena 21st May 2015 - Belfast - Odyssey Arena 22nd May 2015 - Dublin - The O2 24th May 2015 - Manchester - Phones 4U Arena 25th May 2015 - Birmingham - National Indoor Arena (NIA) 28th May 2015 - Nottingham - Capital FM Arena 30th May 2015 - London - O2 Arena (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:24)

With fans like these, who needs enemies? (47,221) by M from UK I am all in favor of contrasting opinions, but this is getting out of hand. It's a clear case of "Shadow Syndrome". Fickle people who are there for you when the sun is shining, but disappear when the night falls. I know that real fans are the ones who connect with the person, not the money, the voice, the fame or anything else for that matter. Real fans are the ones who were with Mariah through every "scandal" or bad press she's every gotten, and as is often for the all of the great artists, they've tried to tear her down before and now they're trying again. That's the way of this business, and Mariah and her team know that. Mariah will come out on top despite the current situation and for the 1000th time the so called "lambs" will come running back to her side. I will be here no matter what, for the person, the music, the personality, the charity work, the legacy, the record breaks and so much more. Poisonous gossip touting attention seekers like Wendy Williams will always have something spiteful to emit to their audiences. Mariah knows this too. She did name Wendy in her 18th #1 single "Touch my body" for that same reason. MC's voice is a delicate instrument that has its seasons but will always return to strength. We've seen it thousands of times, saying that the younger fans wouldn't know that and that's why they are over dramatizing the issue. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:21)

Wendy (47,220) by Myles from CT, USA I have been a huge fan of Wendy since her last radio show in NYC. I like her tv talk show and seeing some of the attacks on her here is just childish. The thing that is so appealing about her is her honest opinions. Has she said anything that was not true? Wendy has always supported Mariah's career. The one thing Mariah has is her voice. I am so beyond embarrassed for her. It's all going downhill and it's so depressing to watch. This reminds me of watching some of Whitney's last performances. I can no longer be in denial about her. Mariah has always been a hero of mine and the whole thing is breaking my heart. I'm sure she feels broken as well. Mariah come clean honey and stop hiding behind titles that no longer apply to you. God bless. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:17)

Stephen / Mandy Monroe (47,219) by Abraham from USA Well then, if you don't have the desire to post here anymore, don't, it's as simple as that. Mandy you've got a point. Altough surgery would be a risk. I feel that if Mariah has tried everything such as resting, exercises. Then just maybe it might be her last option. It's easy for us to say "Yes, have the surgery." because it's not our voice and career. I'm staying positive and hoping for the best. But honestly, I'm more concerned about her health and how she's doing emotionally. I'm proud of her for getting her figure back. She looks great. Even the drag queen Wendell seems to think so too. This whole situation with her voice hopefully gives her a wake up call that something needs to be done. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:52)

The voice (47,218) by Jimbo from UK The voice is damaged. Badly. It has been for a while. No surprise there. But it's got worse. Much worse. She has lost control (you can tell by the way she phrases her melodies that she has absolutely no idea when/if her voice is going to give up on her and break). I'm not a doctor, but I seriously recommend she gets some form of treatment, whatever that is. I love MC but the Tokyo performance was a disaster. Hopefully widespread negative coverage in the media will turn out to be something positive, by compelling her to address the issue head on. I like the way Adele was honest about her vocal problems, Mariah's never really admitted anything, well not the full extent of the problem. And she has resorted to vocal trickery to try and hide the issue (miming high notes, autune, blaming the weather etc). Not only does it effect how she sounds, it also impacts on her qualities as a performer. Instead of getting an empowered, sexy, diva on stage we see an insecure, nervous wreck. Look at her performance of All I Want For Christmas at the NCT lighting last year. In the undubbed version you see her sighing at the end of the song, she even mutters "oh heck it doesn't matter anyway". It is tragic. She sounds so dejected, so disappointed with herself. I just wish she would open up about the problem, and get the support, and love, she needs. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:45)

Are the lambs still screaming, Clarice? (47,216) by Andrew from UK I am incredibly proud of those who have had the courage to stand up and say, "No, something is wrong. And it needs to be addressed." Anthony, Marcel, and the several Americans. In Anthony's case: that guy wears his heart on his sleeve and you can actually feel the pain. Ease off him, attack me if you want. I'm quite a blunt person, and I try to do things with humour, albeit dark. The If It's Over parody was because I was singing it to myself and, well, sometimes I don't need to get hairballed by life. It is what it is. I love Mariah Carey's music. I have since 1993. Her music is the soundtrack to my life. As my non-Mariah loving friend said a year ago, verbatim: "You know what, it doesn't really matter how you feel, that b*tch has a song that tells you how you're feeling. I get it." It's just unparalleled in the world. I knew that from the moment I heard it in 1993, and watched the songs spring forth. My favourite era is Glitter. She was in the UK for a long time, comparitively, I felt close to her. I felt closer to the honesty within the sound more than ever. It's not even the gymnastics, it's the tone, the resonance, the words, the melody, the sense, and the belonging and understanding. Yet she's not the woman I've grown up with anymore, she's a rambling mess and she just can't sing her own songs. You can't get around that. I've tried. I've lied. I've tried, again. Love to everyone. Even if you don't like my words, we're bound forever by one thing at least. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:31)

Wendy Williams (47,215) by Randy from USA She just covered MC's bad vocal performance today on her show. I know you all think she is below MC and MC doesn't pay her any attention. I'm not sure if you are aware of it but she has the #2 daytime talk show behind Ellen and is beating Ellen in some markets. I'm not the biggest fan of Wendy or her opinions but I watch her everyday because it's entertaining and Oprah left a huge vacuum. With that said, Wendy did not play the clips of MC singing because it would cost her show money to do so, but encouraged her viewers to youtube the clips. My point: I love MC. In fact my favorite song by her is one where her vocals were less than stellar, even in a studio. It is Right To Dream. There is no excuse, divorce, weather, travel, bad video clips, first night jitters, for her vocals. If she sounded like Ashanti, Brandy, Monica or any other marginal singer, then I can say, "oh, her voice isn't what it used to be". She is "The Voice". Even if she couldn't hit the high ad lib belts, why couldn't she sound pleasing to listen to during the verses? Listen, I am not trying to be harsh. You're right MC doesn't owe us anything. But I've probably spent $2,000+ over the years on MC items. I'm fine with that. I got some amazing things. Her primary job is as a singer. I am a teacher. Taxpayers pay my salary. If I don't teach well, I get fired. What happens to a multi-millionaire singer who has made her money off of her public? Every institution is now holding employees accountable. Are we not to hold MC in accountable? As a very public fans for years, how do I answer that she sounds awful, and yet singers who are not as popular as her, but have been singing just as long, like Tamela Mann, Regina Belle, Celine Dion, who may not sound like they did at their beginning, are still pleasing to listen to and not referred to as The Voice? (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:30)

The voice (47,214) by Marissa from USA I do think Andrew's delivery was extremely harsh but sometimes you have to look at what the person is actually saying instead of just harping on their tone. What Andrew is doing is holding Mariah accountable. As long as people keep blaming outside circumstances, there is no room for improvement. When you blame the weather, the plane ride, the divorce, you're powerless because those things are beyond your control. I feel bad for Mariah because it's humiliating to be unable to control your own voice, but she isn't a complete victim. I think she took her voice for granted and it's backfiring on her. She may not always have perfect circumstances to perform under, but when people are paying their hard earned money, they expect her to pull through regardless. Remember when Diana Ross performed in pouring down rain and still slayed? Fair or unfair, that's the type of resilience that people are expecting from performers. She isn't the first singer to go through a difficult time, have a cold or be jet lagged (this is the most pathetic excuse people are using, really guys?) and there's only so long people will consider that a valid excuse. People will give you a break if you've had a few mediocre shows, but when that becomes the norm, your legacy will get flushed down the toilet. I'm proud of MC for starting to pull her image together, but her voice has a mind of its own and it won't get better unless she gets serious help. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:51)

Stephen / the situation (47,213) by Edward from USA Stephen, I was just thinking the same thing. I haven't posted anything regarding the situation because the writing has been hanging not too pretty on the wall for a long time now. I just hope Mariah takes this outcry as a signal that something seriously needs to be done should she want to maintain the few fans she has left. She needs to do her part because we all here have been rooting for/supporting her for years now. Please take a break, but don't just stop posting here. Send me an email to b_terius@hotmail.com. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:44)

Yokohama huge improvement (47,212) by automatic_prince from Germany Hi there, I am a new member. I've been following the discussions here for a while. And I have to say how happy I am to see Mariah's performance hugely improved in Yokohama tonight. She changed the part in Vision Of Love she struggeled with in Tokyo and got through the song a lot better. Good job Mariah, very good job. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:05)

Her tours, Miguel (47,211) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada And some others that compare them. 93's was [...] vocally and criticism was more on her stage presence [...] what they used to consider a very good singer technically that expressed no passion at all but vocally was on top. It's not the same to sing VOL, IDWC, Vanishing, Someday, Emotions, AIYM, MIH, Without You, Now That I Know, etc., than TMB, That Chick n Obsessed ([...] lip them). Proof: Hero NY 93 MB Tour. Her 96 mini-tour was great as well though her voice wasn't as soulful and powerful but [...]. Butterfly tour was a pity, she looked gorgeous though. Rainbow was really bad. Charmbracelet well, I know everybody loves it but to me it wasn't that good, certainly her best post-Butterfly album tour. TAOM was terrible. at least here in Montreal and the official DVD sound really bad and she lipped a lot like Fantasy, ABMB, DFAU, STN, etc. This TECT sounds even worse than the Butterfly/Rainbow ones. Someone mentioned her Hero [...] on Oprah 97 and yes, I remember it like it was yesterday that all of us fans were in shock and not only [...] that one, back then we were so used to her incredible performances that even Hero with Clinton and Butterfly on Letterman/SNL were a concern to all because we noticed how much she was strugling to deliver something unknown of hers before. Hope, really, that she'd do whatever it takes in order to regain some of her gone vocals but I truly think it's not coming back, sadly. And she doesn't seems to care either. She needs to humbly accept this and do something at least. (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:46)

Stephen and Edward (47,210) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I would just like to make it clear that I think the posts you guys write along with some other people are well thought out, respectful and have really good points. Even messages where you might criticize MC, you guys have been nice about it. I also wrote negative comments here and got into mini fights for saying negative things but I try to be respectful. So you guys don't really deserve the hate. However the recent posts are straight up aggressive. I can't believe her fans are hating on her so much to tell her to actually retire. In my last post I wrote that people should move on to other artists. This is something I used to hate hearing and never wanted to tell others but honestly if "lambs" are "mortified" and "embarrassed" and disgusted by Mariah then why waste time on her? (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:40)

The lambs are bleating (47,209) by Lee from UK Here we go again, the "lambs" won't have anything negative said about Mariah's vocals. Then they go bleating on about how those who are complaining are not fans or should move on to another fan base. All I hear is baa baa baa. Yes, going through a divorce isn't a pleasant experience and I understand how it can have an effect on Mariah's voice but what has her excuse been for the last 5 years when she was seemingly happily married? I remember some "lamb" here once blamed the weather for a poor performance. I believe the time has come for us to stop looking at external correlations and begin looking at Mariah herself. (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:17)

Another thought (47,208) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter For those saying Mariah should retire or bow out, I want to say something that I usually don't like hearing and that is, please feel free to move on to other artists. I used to dislike it when people say this when there were slight negative comments on Mariah but with some really aggressive comments I think it's appropriate. If Mariah embarrasses you, if your image/credibility is being tarnished in front of your friends and families because of Mariah's condition, then get off the Mariah train. Either ways many people already abandoned her judging by her current sales, so why don't you all move on too? I, on the other hand would be more than grateful to hear new songs from her. I will still be proud enough to show her songs off to people. Also someone questioned something like whether we will still believe she actually hit those great notes on MIAMTEC. Yes, I will. A studio is a controlled environment. She has multiple takes to get the perfect one, she can take breaks and rest her voice in the middle. She can have her teas and lozenges she takes for soothing her voice. She can sit in a room with humidifiers to get her voice right. So yes I believe those stellar notes were real. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:39)

Oh wow, seriously guys? (47,206) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I am shocked and appalled by the comments here. I respect this board because it's a balance between MC's good and bad reviews, but wow I am really horrified by the amount of negative messages posted in the last 2 days. I don't think so many messages were posted when MC put out a stellar album just months back. I see many of you have many demands and I saw a particular post with specific demands, what I call the "I want her to. . . " post written by the lovely Andrew. Here's what I want from people being overtly aggressive, 1) I want you to remember MC has said time and again she doesn't prefer belting and hitting high notes on every song but she does it because that's what her fans always wants. 2) I want you to remember the fact that Mariah has been probably one of the greatest role models to younger girls and boys since she came out (no drug abuse, no drama). Yes she openly drinks a lot now but she's in her 40s, when she was younger she maintained a great image, something that can't be said about the "role models" of today. 3) I want you to accept the fact that airbrushing is mandatory nowadays. Nobody is claiming that Mariah on CD and album cover is the real Mariah, there is a reason it's called album art/magazine shoot and not candids. Even MC acknowledges it saying that the person you see on posters and magazines is not the real Mariah. I can assure you if she puts an unedited picture on the cover you all will point out her imperfections and complain about it. 4) You want "universal" songs? I say no. I am a MC fan because you can just hear her song and know it's her. "Artists" nowadays come with so called universal songs and people can't distinguish whether it is a Katy Perry song or a Rihanna song or whatever. I love and admire Mariah for her writing ability and making each song stand out. So no I don't generic songs from her. 5) You don't have to pity her and know her to relate to her songs. Mariah said many times she leaves her songs open for others to relate to it. When I hear WBT or Camouflage, I remember moments from my own lost love not Mc and Nick. When I hear Bye Bye, I only remember my grand dad not Alfred Roy. When I hear Side Effects I attach my own memory of being dominated not necessarily by a lover. I can go on. So I think her songs are very relatable. If you don't feel it, your loss. 6) It's embarrassing that she wore a gown to the subway? I guess she should come out of airport wearing a shell bikini like Gaga or walk around with squirting cone shaped bras like Katy? It's easy to sit behind a computer and bash a woman who has tried to please fans for 25 years ruining her prized asset (her voice) in the process. Yes there is vocal damage due to drinking but most of it comes from her sensitive chords and singing difficult songs for years. I am sure if you guys are asked to tell all these to her face, you all will just end up saying nothing and clicking a selfie, allowing her to stand on her good side. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:15)

Yokohama tonight (47,204) by ksquarred from paris Yokohama tonight. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:45)

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