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Brad (48,063) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Yeah. I agree to a degree. I also know that trying to argue on every post when you're not cc'd starts a lot of confrontation. People will feel attacked. Honestly, people don't have to care about what someone says to post a comment. That's just common sense. That is a false belief that people tend to also act upon because they're blinded only by what they believe and will hold people to that. I don't ever comment on someone unless I feel they are being disrespectful to someone that isn't or just being repetitive or argumentative. That's is the problem I have with your comment from earlier. It lacked substance and it felt calculated. It was a rude direct insult to someone who wasn't implying or talking the way you responded. (Tuesday 25 November 2014; 10:16)

Baby (48,062) by Bill from the UK Supernatural is clearly about Luis. (Tuesday 25 November 2014; 7:35)

Hero and Make It Happen (48,061) by Manny from U.S. Mariah wrote Hero and Make It Happen about me and for me. Just a little joke. Wow. I hadn't seen the Archives for a few days. Why so much "enmity"? (Tuesday 25 November 2014; 6:00)

Travon (48,059) by Brad Catoe from United States You're saying no one cares what we think or feel? That kind of attitude defeats the purpose of having a message board. I don't think I was being too sensitive. I just don't like to be told to not discuss something on a public message board. (Tuesday 25 November 2014; 3:54)

Producer collabo (48,058) by Norman from USA Hey there everyone. I've been thinking about this for the longest time, I even tweeted the idea to Mimi herself about two years ago, but I do think that having Mariah work with Mark Ronson would excellent. Terry Lewis and Jimmy Jam are over and done IMO, at least with Mariah. It's just like with Janet, they need to move on. I don't think a Calvin Harris collabo would work because it would be too desperate and predictable. It would be cool if she worked with someone like Stevie Nicks, even if she's old school, but she's an awesome writer herself and loves Mariah. Plus, it would be unexpected. Something in the vein of what #Beautiful was going for. Or even someone totally left field like an Axel Rose (sounds uber crazy, I know), Bono, Linkin Park, etc., who have big sweeping songs with deep meaning - just in a different genre. They've all done acoustic versions of their songs, it's not a stretch to produce an pop/r&b with another legend. Just a wild thought. What do you guys think? Hope you're all well. What do you think? (Tuesday 25 November 2014; 2:43)

(48,057) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA I understand that you feel that way and I will respect that. However everyone has an opinion and I don't think judging or starting a conflict by disagreeing is the way to go. That's not the purpose of this forum. Abraham and those who have been here on this forum for years, understand that. Everything they say seems to come from a respectful and non argumentative way. (Tuesday 25 November 2014; 0:06)

Brad Catoe and everyone (48,056) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Is their any chance that you could be less sensitive. No one really cares about what you feel, what you think, or your opinions. No one is trying to argue. It's a fan forum. We just want to say what we think. I read all the comments and none of them were directed towards you. So please be more respectful when you comment. Also my advice to everyone, please don't dish out what you can't take. It will eliminate conflict, since, some people here are so sensitive to everything we post. Just saying. (Monday 24 November 2014; 23:55)

Miss Understood (48,055) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End My entire post on Mariah's history with Derek checks out 100%. I deliberately refrained from filling in the blanks because it's never necessary when you present facts anyway. The story tells itself basically. Who knew the truth would be such a controversy in this day and age? It's literally old news. The only thing open to interpretation, as per Mariah herself, are the full inspirations to her songs which we all know she writes, almost always, exclusively by herself. But I don't understand the opposition to Mariah drawing from her own rich experiences to inform her music. Why is that idea so offensive to some of you? A good writer writes what they know. Most songwriters write about things they have gone through or witnessed first hand and sometimes it's specific enough to pin down the inspiration but many will mostly generalise so everyone can relate. It shouldn't take a genius to know the difference but I bet some lost souls are out there still trying to figure out who Supernatural is about. (Monday 24 November 2014; 23:49)

What not to post (48,054) by G.G. from USA Don't you know? Abraham thinks he runs this message board. He's always trying to tell people what not to post and talk about. (Monday 24 November 2014; 23:44)

Abraham (48,053) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Hello? Have you read my posts? I have tried to do just that but I feel like my head is being hammered by these people who have generalized conclusions based upon what they think. Nothing wrong with that. However what really urks me, is when fans or not, impose their ideas on other people or try to argue because we don't agree. Usually I have seen people not address certain people but direct their post openly. After, the same people who origionally posted get upset because they think someone is talking about them. It only bothers me because I see these comments everyday I research Mariah Carey news on the frontpage. It's very tacky and we need to move on to better things. (Monday 24 November 2014; 23:38)

Derek? (48,052) by Brad Catoe from United States Please don't tell us what to post about in this message board. If you would like to talk about something else, just move the convo in that direction. It never fails on this board, somebody has got to ruin it. If you don't want to hear about this, then close your eyes. Anyways, I though it was about Luis because her reference to My All. Wasn't that his favorite song? Before they met, he told her he used to listen to it on repeat? This could just be a rumor. (Monday 24 November 2014; 23:28)

Derek (48,051) by Abraham from USA I could care less about Derek or Mariah's past relationships or what songs are about who. All these messages are boring the hell out of me. You have Baby giving a whole life story/biography on Mariah's love life like she knows everything. Derek, Tommy and Luis are all history. Why aren't there any postings about the upcoming Christmas concerts, or Mariah's next album? (Monday 24 November 2014; 22:43)

Derek et al. (48,050) by Bill from the UK Mariah has never said who the muse was for Subtle Invitation, The Roof, Did I Do That, Babydoll, Circles, and I Wish You Well (along with virtually every other song in her catalogue), and likely never will. All these posts are speculation. Almost everybody on this message board has attributed Thirsty to Nick, when Mariah never has, and probably never will, say who it is about, and when there are just as many reasons to support it not being about him as there are reasons to say it is. Now That I Know is perhaps Mariah realising she was more to Tommy than just a bit on the side, but again, we will never know for certain. It's fun to speculate and guess, but very annoying when people present their theories as facts. You don't know anymore than the rest of us. (Monday 24 November 2014; 22:33)

Re: Marissa (48,049) by MimiLamb from Germany I couldn't agree more. I just enjoy the songs and the lyrics but I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out who she wrote it for or about. At the end of the day only Mariah knows even though some think they know it all. (Monday 24 November 2014; 20:55)

Dennis / B and DJ (48,048) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End It's a known fact that Derek Jeter had two dreams growing up: to play shortstop for the New York Yankees and marry Mariah Carey. Everybody knew, teammates, friends in high school, coaches, his family for sure. He would listen to her songs on his walkman because it calmed him down before every game. That's how much of an impact she made on him before they even met. Then he saw her at the MSG concert on October 10th 1995. They would officially meet in November of 1996 at a benefit for the Fresh Air Fund. In December, Mariah moved out of the Bedford mansion and would officially separate from Tommy in May the following year. During '97 Mariah and Derek were seen orbiting each other at baseball practice, video shoots, cameos in interviews, dinner dates etc. But both remained mostly tight lipped about their obvious involvement with "no comment" comments. Their off and on relationship carried on into '98 through Mariah getting a quickie divorce in March and the last time they were romantically linked in public would be at Puffy's birthday party in November '98. Mariah remained on friendly terms with his sister and was later seen attending two functions with Derek in 2003, for his Turn 2 foundation and in November 2006 for Joe Torre's Safe at Home foundation, where she performed Hero. That's the last time they have been put in the same place at the same time as far as we know. Fun fact: DJ has been nicknamed Mr November by baseball fans since 2001. I mean, what are the odds? (Monday 24 November 2014; 20:49)

Gong on Jeter, straight from the horse's mouth (48,047) by nikki from usa I've lost some video interview recordings and mag interviews over the years, but never their content. Mariah didn't have an affair with Jeter. She met him and became best buds with his sister and their family. MC and Jeter were never seen solo together until the end of '97 and by then she was legally separated. In a late 90's interview Mariah had stated when she left Mottola initially it was meant to be a wake up call. She thought he would come around, give her more freedom, and stop micromanaging her. She was intending on working things out and returning. Jeter was just a friend at that point and had a girlfriend of his own. Did I Do That from Rainbow and Da Brat's verse on Pure Imagination were about Jeter. In a magazine interview, Mariah stated after she and Jeter took their relationship "to the next level" she saw reports in gossip mills about their sex life and he was using it as "locker room" talk. She said she ignored it at first because tabloids make things up. It wasn't until personal details that only Derek would know wound up in the stories did she believe them. They began fighting, but Jeter never stopped dishing. That's what "extensive media attention" meant. MC originally thought they were meant to be due to their similar background and how well she got along with his family. To this day MC refers to Luis as a "class act" for he doesn't talk about his exes to anyone. Luis, their trip to Morocco, Moroccan room, Moroccan - something's up there. (Monday 24 November 2014; 20:16)

Marcus (48,046) by B from USA Mariah has written about Derek Jeter on every album since Butterfly. The majority of Butterfly was inspired by her divorce from Tommy and Derek. The songs that are about the demise of a relationship (Butterfly) are about Tommy and the songs about a new relationship and longing (My All and Babydoll) are about Derek. I'm not trying to be rude but you can't deny the obvious. Mariah was involved with Jeter during 1996 and that's a fact. Tommy and Mariah's relationship ended when Daydream didn't win any awards at the 1995-1996 Grammy's. (Monday 24 November 2014; 18:41)

Mara and Marcus (48,045) by B from USA Mara, I knew that and thought I included it in my post but accidentally deleted it when editing. Marcus, Butterfly was what Mariah had wished Tommy had said to her. I think it's easy to tell what she's referring to if you followed her career and personal life over the last two decades. I think the only song that was inspired by a movie was Obsessed. She said that she is inspired by stories and movies because she didn't want to admit that she was already having problems with Nick and the miscarriage. Mariah told the world Nick cheated when she sang "I know you cheated motherf*cker". Mariah didn't cheat on Tommy, they were separated when she began seeing Derek in 1996. They kept it private until her divorce was official. Well, they tried to anyways. Google Mariah Carey and Derek Jeter and educate yourself, Marcus, before talking about us like we don't know anything. (Monday 24 November 2014; 18:33)

Who it's about (48,044) by Marissa from USA Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn who MCs songs are written about? For me personally, it just takes too much time and energy to figure out. (Monday 24 November 2014; 18:10)

I don't wanna cry was about Tommy (48,043) by Marcus from Brazil I can't help but laughing out loud. Now all Mariah catalog is about Derek Jeter when songs are sweet, when they are bitter they are about Tommy. Some people are such hypocrites, they talk about Nick's supposed cheating on Mariah, calling him names and such when they have not evidence of him cheating, yet they candidly talk about Mariah's supposed cheating on Tommy with Derek Jeter. The delusion is on its all-time high. Things we know for sure: Butterfly, Side Effects were about Tommy, Thank God I Found You was about Luis Miguel, as stated by Mariah, not by speculation. Not everything Mariah writes is about her relationships, she would've been emotional dead by now lol. It is funny though seeing how convincingly many fans here state which song was for whom as if they had a private conversation with Mariah or Trey, lol. I love it people, I love it. Oh sorry, I was having an Oprah moment. (Monday 24 November 2014; 17:34)

Derek (48,042) by Luis from Spain It is often taken for granted that Mariah had an affair with Derek during fall 1996 and apparently they met in an event to where Tommy assisted as well (there are pictures of the three together). Someone above said they started dating back in 1995 but I don't think so, since Mariah was very busy promoting Daydream at the time. 1996 is more precise since Mariah and Tommy were in crisis since the cancellation of Forever and Underneath Of Stars. When Mariah came back from the tour, she changed her looks and they started living separetely since "Butterfly" was the first album that Mariah recorded outside her home. "The Roof" talks about November. They were together until 1998 and they appeared officially in public after Mariah's divorce in March. 1996 was full of gossip and it probably was one of the darkest years in Mariah's career. (Monday 24 November 2014; 17:03)

ATYNAF (48,041) by Mara from United States It has been said that ATYNAF was one of Derek's favorite song of hers, hence the reference to it. (Monday 24 November 2014; 14:46)

Derek Jeter (48,039) by B from USA Mariah began having an affair with Derek in 1995-1996. They made it official in 1998 after her divorce from Tommy was finalized. I read in an interview that when Derek would hear her songs he would pretend she was singing to him. The Roof, Lullaby, Subtle Invatation, and For The Record are all about Derek. Songs like Side Effects and I Wish You Well are about Tommy. It's easy to tell which songs are written from her own experiences. Thank God I Found You was about Luis. (Monday 24 November 2014; 14:23)

Written by Mariah Carey (48,038) by Lee TS from USA Do you remember this one? Just to go along with the board talking about inspirational songs and songs Mariah wrote for others. Remember the cute little boy that sung this on Oprah? Beautiful. I feel like it's our little secret that Mariah writes and produces her songs. But I guess that's ok because that's her secret weapon haha. It's gratifying as a fan to see how much she's involved in her music. I also want to see her writing by herself again regarding to the lyrics. It would be nice to see her writing for other artists as well. They're like little treasures when you learn about a song written by MC or she's singing background vocals for someone. (Monday 24 November 2014; 14:18)

Lullaby (48,037) by Dennis from Miami, FL Looks like Lullaby is about Derek. (Monday 24 November 2014; 13:46)

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