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this_is_qhm agree again (46,229) by May from Denmark I agree with all the last comments specially the last one. But I won't deny it, team Mariah here always (many exclamations hahaha), so I can't help it. (Friday 22 August 2014; 13:13)

Yes we all fall in that this_is_qhm (46,228) by May from Denmark I do think Mariah through these years has learnt how to cope with the pain. In the past she tried to do it with overwork, remember when she had her final collapse and everybody was in shock. But this time, she has done it in a genius way. The whole album, like some mentioned here already, takes a new meaning. While a lot of us already "deciphered" some of the songs and related some of what it might have been going on, now it is in light, that the whole album is about her relationship and the way she has been dealing with it. Instead of overworking herself, stressing or crying all alone having intervals of depression or anger like it happened in the past, she has placed everything in these wonderful songs, that not to anyone surprise, is one of her best works (the very best for some). Even Heavenly takes a new spin when you read "I just can't give up now, come too far from where I started from, nobody told me the road would be easy". She is telling us already right there, she will go on and it will be fine. She obviously has been dealing with this a long long time. Glad she took this beautiful artistic road. (Friday 22 August 2014; 13:08)

this_is_qhm / I forgot to mention it in my last message (46,227) by MimiLamb from Germany Whining is not a very nice way to describe what the optimists' do I must say. We can call you pessimists' whiners too you know lol it kind off goes hand in hand, but would be nice from both parties to not be called a whiner but someone giving an different opinion. (Friday 22 August 2014; 13:01)

Sad for the situation (46,226) by May from Denmark While I perceived this long ago and I shared my thoughts on this board about it before now sadly is confirmed. She was very right when she wrote the lyrics "I'm the best thing that could happen to your a**" but what pisses me off is that he hurt her. It wasn't just all the talking Nick did but his absence. When she mentioned she was through the pregnancy all on her own, and she sounded so freaking sad you could sense something off. In the late interviews Nick did, when asked "oh, you were engaged not long before Mariah" and he laugh his butt off really hard and said "I've been engaged so many times I forgot the count", wah? I personally never liked him simply because I find him annoying and I feel his laughs are forced, I don't think he is funny and when he started dating Mariah I rolled my eyes but she choose him and she seemed very happy so I was happy for her. What it made me truly dislike Nick as a person is that everything he did was publicly, I felt he wanted camera. But Mariah, smart as she is left hints everywhere. This lyrics "tell me that you love me, I cry and cry as you laugh and laugh at the question" make me feel really bad and Supernatural "you're the only thing that's true". While I didn't understand the her absence I now do understand the album title. She will make it through, and the fact that she is already making music says that she is strong and will be fine with her two darlings. Nick, shut up. (Friday 22 August 2014; 12:59)

Separation / touring (46,225) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I've tried to avoid commenting on Mariah and Nick's marriage because I'm just not comfortable discussing other people's relationship problems. But since Nick has already broken his silence, I guess I could say that whatever happens to their relationship from now on, what matters is that they've had a good run. I mean, 6 years is practically a lifetime when it comes to Hollywood marriages, and an eternity for high profile ones. We're sure they've made each other happy until they didn't and have 2 gorgeous kids to show for it. I just hope now that they end it amicably. People are always gonna pick sides and trash-talk the other party, which is bad enough, so we don't want an ugly divorce on top of that. Maybe that's one reason for Mariah choosing to tour outside the US first. It's an escape, a diversion from all the drama and media circus. She wants to bring the kids with her so they won't be stalked by arguably more relentless American paparazzi especially during the aftermath of what could possibly happen next. Whatever happens, I wish them all well. (Friday 22 August 2014; 12:41)

this_is_qhm (46,224) by MimiLamb from Germany I'm one of the optimists (it almost sounds like a disease lol), I don't think it's the fact we see things a little less critical because even I sometimes think what the hell is going on. The difference is that I don't start to rant because I don't have all the facts nor do I know what happens behind the scenes, is it about the sales or for instance their marriage. For me Mariah is a person that has been by my side for the last 24 years with her music and her lyrics. That is how I see her and what I appreciate. Why should I stress about other things when I don't even know what's going on? The only thing what will happen is a negative atmosphere and pull down the person that is a positive thing in my life. That is why I just don't go there. I think this is a good example of how wrong we can be by just assuming and not knowing. Mariah was never a person that will go public with her private life and I don’t think she will ever do that. She lets the music speak for itself. Some should concentrate on that instead of things that don’t matter or you don’t know the facts about. (Friday 22 August 2014; 11:12)

Sad news if it's true (46,223) by Manny from U.S. Nick has admitted they are living in separate households. If they do divorce, I feel bad for Mariah. Her kids are three years old. The same age Mariah was when her parents divorced. They always seemed like a happy couple. I was glad she found that stability with her marriage and kids. I liked Nick in the beginning. They were so in love. Later he was so immature and I could see why Mariah might have gotten tired of him. He started irritating me. I wonder if this news will turn MIAM into her break up record and people will reconsider it. Just a thought. I'm sad and I hope they can make the best decision for Roc and Roe. (Friday 22 August 2014; 10:44)

Mariah's struggles / eternal optimists (46,221) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I feel awful now. Mariah was probably struggling trying to keep everything together in her troubled career while simultaneously trying to mend the tears in her marriage all while trying to keep up this facade that everything is fine. While I on the other hand, did nothing but wonder why she wasn't out there promoting her latest work, complaining about the prolonged silence, and suggesting every sort of solution there is to save this era. Our love for Mariah really is a double-edged sword. While it does make us comprehend and appreciate her more than the casual listener would, it could also cause us to be quite cavalier and make us momentarily forget that this is Mariah freaking Carey we're talking about - the same woman who's provided a lot of the best soundtracks to our lives for the past quarter of a century. You'd think knowing that would be enough for us to back off a bit from the criticism and realize that she's also human, just like all of us. But apparently no, since we're also human, we also need to be reminded at times to acknowledge the fact that she's the reason we're all here. So I'm not retracting every defense I've hurled towards dem eternal optimists ("This goes out to you and you, and you...") who constantly whine about why some fans like me can be so critical, but I'll have to thank them, because even if they constantly contradict us, they still knock us down a peg or two when we need to be, helping maintain a state of balance on this board by being the ying to our critical yang. I (as well as other critics, I'm sure) am not gonna promise to never criticize again, but I'm going to try to be more understanding from now on. And to Mariah, on the very off chance you're reading any of our ramblings, I'm sorry. (Friday 22 August 2014; 9:41)

(46,220) by Bill from the UK This news is devastating. (Friday 22 August 2014; 7:38)

Filipino fans (46,219) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Just discovered a Filipino Mimi fan club who have their own group page on Facebook (Mariah Carey Philippines). It doesn't have as much members as those from other countries have, but they still make me so proud to be a Mariah fan and a Filipino one at that. I've just recently been a part of it and I can say these are some of the most passionate fans I've met online, posting comments, song/album reviews, videos of their own renditions of Mimi's songs left and right. They claim to be the biggest Mimi fanclub in Asia and they just celebrated their 12th anniversary earlier this month (also the 12th) with an event they lovingly called "Eternally Twelve". It can't get any more Mariah than that. I'm just grateful for fans like them who still worship the queen no matter what. I also believe they're part of the reason why almost all of Mariah's releases here go straight to #1 and stay there for at least a few days. I'm really sorry if this comes across as bragging (I swear it's not my intention), I guess it's just overwhelming that such huge support can come from such a small country that's often overlooked geographically, it just makes it so hard for me not to be proud. I'm glad there are fans like them as well as others scattered all around the world including us on this board who are behind Mariah all the way, especially during these tough times in her personal and professional life. (Friday 22 August 2014; 7:20)

Thought on their separation (46,217) by Marissa from USA After hearing the separation news, I'm sad for both Nick and Mariah. I wasn't surprised because all of the signs of trouble in paradise were there, but it always sucks when news like this becomes official. I guess where there's smoke, there's fire. I wonder how Mariah feels that the news is out there and when she will ever break her silence. Was this a mutual decision or is Nick letting it all hang out again? If it wasn't mutual, then Nick has probably just put the nail in the coffin of their relationship. I feel bad for little Roc and Roe having to go through this so young. It's like history repeating itself of Mariah's childhood. God bless the children. (Friday 22 August 2014; 6:39)

Problem after problem (46,216) by Abraham from USA Wow, 2014 has not been Mariah's year. First her shoulder injury. (And by the way, so thankful she's okay.) Issues with her record company, Nick. Releases a great album but tanks. And now is dealing with a divorce. I feel right now she should just worry about her kids and career. I did like Nick but got annoyed with his ranting and explicit details about their personal life. And I was so shocked to know he slept with Kim K. She's not even pretty. He really hit it big with Mariah. She's a good person (though I know she's not perfect and has her diva ways) and is beautiful. Mariah no doubt has been the best looking female he's had. I can't say who's in the wrong or who's at fault cause it's not my place. And because I don't know the reasons I just hope they stay on good terms for their children. I agree about what someone posted about how Mariah does best alone. Hopefully she hits it big with her next album. I hope she will be happy again someday, but in all honesty. I just care for her health and success. It seems like Nick is doing fine. I saw the video of him doing the ice bucket challenge. (Friday 22 August 2014; 6:19)

Me. I am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse (46,215) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa From the first listen the first day this album came out I knew it was all about her current relationship(s). How interesting for the music to come before the news. I can't wait to see how she presents her art imitating life as it will seem to so many as life imitating art. And I forgot to mention my suspicions of divorce from the launch of the Butterfly drink, her constant flashing of the Butterfly ring (I know she wore it often before but I feel like it's always on or bigger now), and the Butterfly on the website pic for The Elusive Chanteuse Show, and her more than usual placement of it lately. The Butterfly became the symbol for post-divorce liberation because of her. I remember so many women getting tattoos of butterflies after divorcing around the time of that album. Anyway, way to incorporate it all into her art. Which is so Mariah, this will be a very interesting and amazing era to watch. (Friday 22 August 2014; 6:10)

But that big old tattoo on Nick's back though (46,214) by TR from USA I feel bad for the babies, but hopefully the divorce (if true) can be amicable and they can be friends. But MC always says she's Mary Poppins and hates when her sex life is discussed, so when Nick came out of his mouth with those revelations, we all knew it wasn't going to sit well. And nothing was the same after that. He can't control his tongue at all, and I mean that's something no husband should disclose about their marriage and whatnot. And it looks like he's still hitting the press with news that is nobody's business but their family's. This guy is immature and thirsty, and a cornball to boot. Otherwise, from what I've seen/read he seems like a really good and grounded father, so I sincerely hope he stays prevalent in Roc and Roe's lives. (For their sake, because I think he'd really enforce that they put education first and not live the "entitled" life thinking they have to be famous because of who their mother is like poor delusional Bobbi Kris. I said it.) (Friday 22 August 2014; 5:19)

Sad day (46,213) by Mara from United States I am so saddened by this news. But I have to admit when I heard Thirsty I immediatly thought "Nick". All of MIAM was about her marriage and her emotions she was going through. Someone said we all feel like we know Mariah and I tend to get very protective of her. Mariah has been through a bad breakup before and it hurt her very bad. Now she has them beautiful babies and I think they will help her tremendously. You have to be strong for them and Mariah seems like she is a wonderful mother. She is a strong independent woman who will make it through this. Divorce is a form of a "loss" and I am so sad for her. I saw it through the Matt Lauer interview. She had a sadness about her. That is why the no album promotion. She released something probably painful to her and knowing what she was going through who can expect interviews and performances. Now she will be out of the country with her babies and focus on the tour. She will come back and be better than ever. MC we love you and are here for you. You have come to far from where you started from, you will get through this. (Friday 22 August 2014; 4:22)

Favorite live performaces (46,212) by Jonathan from United States My top 5 are (in no order): 1. Fly Like A Bird (Grammys) - Speechless. 2. If It's Over (SNL) - The lighting, arrangement, hair, attitude, and vocals. 3. Vision of Love (Apollo) - The smile at the end kills me. A star was born. 4. Without You (Tokyo 1996) - It's perfect. 5. Vision of Love (Blueprint) - When everyone thought she couldn't. Honorable mentions: Emotions (Unplugged) Love Takes Times (Arsenio) Someday (Thanksgiving) (Friday 22 August 2014; 3:19)

Divorce? (46,211) by Alex from England I remember writing a few months ago in reply to all the people who were blaming Mariah for the lack of promo and everything, that Mariah is a very secretive person and she will always smile in times of hardships even if she is broken-hearted. If these rumors of divorce are actually true, I can only imagine what she's been going through emotionally for the whole year and it will once again prove that Mariah is not one of those celebrities that like to deal with their problems publicly. I hope that some people can once and for all remember that she is first and foremost a human being and that she has her reasons for whatever is going on (or not, promo for example) and we are not her close friends who have insight into whatever is happening in her life. This just frustrates me when people just gossip about other people, famous or not, just assuming they know them personally when they don't have a clue. Hopefully, this will teach a thing or two about respect as a whole to a couple people. I hope Mariah will be OK and find strength in her children and her friends. I am sad for her as she is probably scared of putting her kids through the same thing she did when she was a child (parents divorcing) but I am confident that, as the real and intelligent person that she is, she will find a way to make it as bearable for them as she can. (Friday 22 August 2014; 3:19)

May / Michele (Anti-Tour, Kylie, Forever Your Girl) (46,210) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines May, I love Kylie and think she's underrated. I'm also quite squeamish of her earlier material (though I love Enjoy Yourself and Let's Get To It). I think people usually dismiss her music for being throwaway and too commercial, but they probably haven't listened to Impossible Princess, Body Language, or her self-titled album. I read somewhere that she's like a lighter, fluffier, warmer version of Madonna, and I agree. And I like how she likes to mash things up in her tours. In 2005, she used the glorious intro from Stevie Wonder's classic Love's In Need Of Love Today to segue into her own hit Especially For You and it was awesome, and makes me. Mariah should incorporate samples, not just in the studio, but also in her tours. Michele, I know, it'd be great. Hearing her rarely/never performed songs live would be a new experience for everyone. About Forever Your Girl, it's funny because I really haven't lived through that era as I wasn't even born back then but I do love that album after discovering it out of curiosity. And yeah, if such staggering success could result from such a slow start, then who's to say Mariah can't duplicate that? (Friday 22 August 2014; 1:57)

Stacey, MIAMTEC lyrics (46,209) by enwar00 from usa I was just going to post how the lyrics have suddenly taken a different meaning in light of this news and then I read Stacey's post. We can never know for sure, but some of them just seem to fit. Especially Faded, and it makes me think of when she called Nick the abondoner. And Camouflage. Even Cry. and Thirsty. It's like the album has suddenly come to life, and if anything it resonates more, yet it's making me super sad to listen to it because the pain could have been current vs. in the past. Or maybe I'm reading way too much into it. (Friday 22 August 2014; 1:33)

Divorce (46,208) by NYHotShotta from USA For Mariah to have to divorce and put her children kinda through what she went through as a child is sad. I hope they can work past this and not divorce. (Friday 22 August 2014; 1:20)

Post breakup album (46,207) by Jonathan from United States This explains so much like the order of the songs, the bonus tracks, and why there was no promotion. I wish both of them the best and love, but now I'm ready for Mariah to do a killer post break up comeback album for next year. It would be cool if she wrote a song with Adele, Beyonce (if her and Jay get a divorce), or Taylor Swift (long shot?). I don't care. I'm just ready for the slayage since she is in the studio with new material. (Friday 22 August 2014; 1:15)

MC is strong, she can handle this without sweat (46,206) by jaker20 from US Don't underestimate MC as if she's the weak kind. MC's been through worse than this, and at a time when she was younger and weaker. MC fell in love, like everyone else. But she's strong to pick herself up. MC is always better when she's down. She's can get through this. Easily. I just know it. (Friday 22 August 2014; 1:10)

I never really liked Nick (46,205) by jaker20 from US Truth be told, and I know this is all still fresh, but I never liked Nick. Starting from the fact that he took over MC's career and got way too involved. From being able to direct her videos, that just shows he's definitely had too much influence on her decisions. She was taken away by her love for him, and he took advance. Then MC helped him get that America's Got Talent hosting job. It's there for everyone to see, she's very instrumental in this, and I thought she's lost her mind. He was a nobody. But the last straw was him disrespecting her in interviews, and talking about everyone you slept with. They can separate if that is what he wants, but that's just uncalled for. I know some of you like this guy. But I'm not hiding my feelings for him. He's a user, and he got away with it. (Friday 22 August 2014; 1:07)

Separation (46,204) by Martyn from England, UK So Nick has confirmed the separation. I'm absolutely devastated for Mariah. I think we've all seen it coming for a while, but it's just horrible to think how painful this will be for her. She seemed like she had it all a few years ago. Camouflage was her rawest vocal on the album, and it's obvious why now. (Friday 22 August 2014; 0:48)

The lies that sell (46,203) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines The inflated album sales, exaggerated success stories, and false claims are (other than ego-boosting or face-saving devices) mostly promotional strategies. Never underestimate the power of overselling or overpromising in business. It's all salestalk - more "documented/certified success" actually raises interest in a certain product, and music is no exception. Marketers and promoters lie/assume/promise all the time. Buyers generally have this herd mentality, they're more inclined to buy what everyone else is getting, and these businessmen prey on that. Here in the Philippines, MIAMTEC covers have stickers that say "including the hits #Beautiful, You're Mine (Eternal), and Faded". I know, I cringed and shook my head at first read as well. If they can mostly get away with such easily refutable factual "errors", then they all the more can definitely exaggerate indefinite figures such as record sales. Not every potential customer is a knowledgeable fan, or at the very least a smart shopper. You'll be surprised at how many people are fooled by these claims. And it happens to every other artist out there as well. It's quite pathetic and makes the artists look desperate, but it works. (Friday 22 August 2014; 0:21)

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