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Against All Odds (46,991) by enwar00 from usa I never even knew there was a video for this, aside from the Westlife version. Although Rainbow remains one of my least favorite MC albums for some reason, in hindsight she sounds great here and I enjoyed watching this. Did anyone used to see this on tv? (Sunday 28 September 2014; 1:19)

Grammys (46,990) by Peter from USA I would say she would be nominated in the R&B category. I hope she gets some nominations for what is a great album. I would love to see Make It Look Good get a nod. (Sunday 28 September 2014; 0:23)

Grammys (46,988) by Jonathan from United States Since the Grammy cut off is in a few days, here are my predictions for Album of the Year: Prism - Katy Perry *Beyonce - Beyonce (they love her) Me. I Am Mariah... - Mariah Carey In The Lonely Hour - Sam Smith Ghost Stories - Coldplay The Marshall Mathers LP 2 - Eminem I hope Mariah atleast gets nominated but we all know the Grammys can be shady to her and their credibility isn't what it used to be. What do you guys think? Also would this album be considered for the Pop or R&B category? (Saturday 27 September 2014; 18:02)

Edward / Mariah's songwriting (46,987) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I get where you're coming from, although it only seems to be that way. She still very much has the lyrical depth she had two decades ago, but now, her writing's gotten even better because she has the experience to back up whatever she says, making her able to breathe life into her words even more convincingly than she would've been back then. When she sings VOL now, it isn't as polished and effortless vocally as it was 20 years ago, but it still somehow sounds better because it's now coming from a woman who lived a lot more and isn't wide-eyed anymore. True, as she grew older, she adapted more "hip" language and some of her subject matter may have become less than age-appropriate, thus misleading most to believe that she's aging backwards with her music, but to me, it's just her growing as a songwriter and being able to talk about more things in more ways than she used to. I also feel like this shows how much she was suppressed in the early to mid-90s, and that if she totally had her way, she would've written I'm That Chick and It's Like That back then. Her writing has also become more "real" in a way, like closer to everyday life than her older, more platitudinal ramblings. Well, she still touches upon dem generalities now and then, but songs like Cry., Camouflage, and TAOLG prove she's still got that (big-worded) depth, only now, she can fuse it with plausibility. The fact that she has gotten cheekier and gained a whole lotta sass, sarcasm, and humor is just a big bonus. (Saturday 27 September 2014; 13:26)

Shelly, Manny, "Close My Eyes" and "Outside" (46,986) by Edward from USA Shelly and Manny, you guys are right, it is definitely "oblivious". My browser has the habit of auto correcting some words when they are right. Most times I catch the error and add the word to the dictionary, but sometimes they just slipped through. "Close My Eyes" lyrics are genius. ....... Funny how one can learn to grow numb to the madness and block it away I left the words unsaid let it all dissipate and I try to forget ....... "Outside" was my go to song ...... Standing alone Eager to just Believe it's good enough to be what You really are But in your heart Uncertainty forever lies And you'll always be Somewhere on the Outside ....... Should I get crucified for wanting more of that from Mariah, I would go peacefully into the night. The former verse is the vivid description of how Mariah handles most things. Wendy talks sh*t, the media spread rumors, that backup singer throws shade, yet Mariah applies that verse time and time again. That's how I got hooked up to Mimi. Her distinctive voice and lyrics spoke to me, and I wasn't ever the same. (Saturday 27 September 2014; 6:07)

MIAMTEC success / future singles, if any (46,985) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines A lot about MIAMTEC's underperformance has got to do with timing. It was off to a good start. Mariah was looking great, and as much as I didn't like how her Idol stint turned out to be, it still somehow helped propel #B to the top 20. Then came the album title leak, the pushback, then the injury, and the anticipation for anything from her quicky waned. It was clear that TAOLG wasn't released to be a hit; she put that out to vent somehow as she wasn't doing interviews at that time. It was YM(E) that was more of a calculated attempt to get a Valentine hit. Thirsty or YDKWTD would've been great singles - last year, right after #B. So now where do we go from here? Faded is the most commercial ballad and would be a great future release. Cry. comes a distant second since I doubt she'll release OMT (due to its faithfulness to the original), much less Camouflage which is lovely but not as distinctive as Cry. On the more upbeat front, I really hope she releases the album's best song, MILG. Dedicated or M($*/...) would also click with the younger crowd than Meteorite, which is great, but I feel would just end up like YDKWTD somehow. But since it's clear she's got nothing left to lose, I hope she'd just throw caution to the wind and just release anything she really loves on the album. Who knows, it just might take off and become an unexpected hit. But if none of this happens and she just decides to move on to the next album, I'd still be happy because she gave us a masterpiece. (Saturday 27 September 2014; 2:18)

DVD/CD combo (46,984) by Dove from USA Also, I looked it up to make sure, but the lyrics are: "That woman-child flailing inside was on the verge of fading." I started playing Butterfly again and it truly is perfect. I wish she would have done an unplugged album for each of her albums. When they re-release them, they should include the videos and the best live performances, so that there's a visual for each song. I appreciate when artists release a DVD/CD combos. Adele did it with the Royal Albert Hall concert, Paul McCartney did it with Good Evening NYC, Kari Jobe did it with Magestic. (Saturday 27 September 2014; 0:07)

Close My Eyes lyrics (46,983) by Dove from USA Edward: I always thought it was "nearing the edge, oblivious I almost fell right over" that might of been an autocorrect typo. When she sings "guardian angel I sail away on an ocean with you by side, orange clouds roll by, they burn into your image and you're still alive, you're always alive" gets to me every time. It's so deep and intimate. It's poetry. When I saw that butt video I thought of that scene in the movie Idiocracy where the whole movie is a butt and it won an Oscar. What is this world coming to? (Friday 26 September 2014; 23:31)

Edward / Mariah's lyrics (46,982) by Manny from U.S. I agree with you. Her lyrics sounded like poetry to me. I was a teen and Mariah's lyrics drew me more to her. I'm not sure if it was a typo but the lyrics are "Oblivious I almost fell right over." Those lyrics stuck into my head. The first time she used oblivious in her lyrics was for "Music Box" in "I've been thinking about you". She wrote "I was oblivious, so very out of touch, all the while I couldn't see." I had to look up the meaning of oblivious. Which I had to do with several big words Mariah used, even in her first album (alienation, fathom). (Friday 26 September 2014; 23:28)

US tour? (46,981) by Dan from US Does anybody think Mariah will play any Venus in the US? What's your thoughts. (Friday 26 September 2014; 22:33)

At her best (46,980) by Edward from USA Lyrically, "Butterfly", "Outside" and "Close My Eyes" are the epitome of perfection, Mariah at her best. It is kind of weird, but it seems to be that when Mariah was younger her song writing had much more depth. Nearing the edge Obvious I almost Fell right over A part of me Will never be quite able To feel stable That woman-child falling inside Was on the verge of fading Thankfully I Woke up in time When Mariah was 20, she had the maturity of a woman way older than that. Many seasoned lyricist would dream to have such depth. Now we have deep lyrics like: "Wiggle wiggle wiggle", "Bang bang into the room (I know you want it)", and even with much more depth like Nicki's Anaconda: "My anaconda don't, my anaconda don't, my anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun." I can't wait for Anaconda in acoustic version. (Friday 26 September 2014; 22:32)

Myles / Butterfly (46,979) by Marissa from USA Myles, you are right. I remember seeing an interview a long time ago where Mariah said that the lyrics to Butterfly were what she wished Tommy had said to her. She said that even when they separated, she initially didn't think they would get a divorce. She thought that Tommy would come to his senses and see that she was a free spirit who needed to be able to do her own thing and that they would get back together with that mutual understanding. So much for that, but at least a beautiful song came out of it. (Friday 26 September 2014; 20:31)

Myles re: Butterfly (46,978) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago I always felt so. There were switching perspectives during that song that as a teenager had me a bit confused, but yes, sheer brilliance. (Friday 26 September 2014; 20:24)

Myles (46,977) by Michele from USA As for "Butterfly", Mariah once said in an interview (I think it was Interview magazine from fall 2007) that she wrote this song as though she wanted to hear those words from Tommy. She said something to the extend that she wished he would have said, "Hey, you've been with me since you were a kid. Go be yourself for a while." It would have made a world of difference in her relationship with him and she would probably still have been married to him (at that point). So yes, "Butterfly" is from someone else's point of view, and not Mariah's. (Friday 26 September 2014; 20:20)

Kyle (46,976) by LC from USA I completely agree with you. Cry. is a song that people will love because it's classic Mariah. While I doubt it would do too well on the radio due to radio's bias towards Mariah and women over 40, this song would sell the album. If Mariah performed this on The View, Live With Kelly and Michael, the Queen Latifah show, as in shows that reach the adult contemporary audience, the album could experience a sales boost. But also, imagine seeing Mariah performing Cry. at SNL, or Jimmy Fallon, or Ellen. Everyone would be in awe because it's Mariah back to being Mariah. The vocal is so raw and so real, while that chorus "till we both breakdown and cry" is so memorable. It would stick and resonate. If she ever gets the chance to perform at the Grammys, I pray she sings this song. It's perfect. Also, Mariah has said before that "the labels always choose the worst selling singles" while saying that Migrate should have been a single and IWTKWLI should not have followed Obsessed. (Friday 26 September 2014; 19:22)

Butterfly (46,975) by Myles from CT, USA Happy Friday everyone. Has anyone else thought Mariah wrote the song "Butterfly" from Tommy's point of view? I always thought that was why the song was truly brilliant. I most certainly could be wrong but I think it is truly genius. (Friday 26 September 2014; 18:53)

The Art of Letting Go (46,974) by Dove from USA I love TAOLG because she captures the feeling of anger and despair. When you're at the end of your rope after a relationship ends. You're grieving but still trying to move on and live your life. Meanwhile your ex keeps trying to trip you. The same person who knew you the most intimately, is now acting like your worst enemy. The person who said they loved you. They act like you owe them because you used to be in a relationship with them. I love when she sings, "Baby letting go, it ain't easy. Oh cause somebody you used to know, is flinging your world around - and you know what? They watch, as you're falling, falling doooown." And at the end, the exhale she gives before she says the final line, "It ain't easy baby." Like she's just exhausted with the whole situation. At the beginning, the way she's fitting all the syllables of the big words into one line reminds me of when you're super upset and you kinda stutter when you talk. You have so much to say but your emotions are high so it fumbles out awkward. I love the music and lyrics too. Aint the way she sings certain words. It's a masterpiece of a song. (Friday 26 September 2014; 18:33)

My be in the minority, but... (46,973) by Mirage_Nunez from America I actually enjoyed the list. It's fun to participate and know what songs other lambs hold the nearest and dearest to their hearts. Besides I've ran across much more annoyingly redundant topics here, that are more deserving of an outcry. List are the easiest topics to stroll pass / ignore / not comment on if it's not your bag. No shade. I love you all. (Friday 26 September 2014; 17:23)

Andrew (46,972) by enwar00 from usa I love your list. I wanna play. 1. All I've Ever Wanted 2. Close My Eyes 3. Whenever You Call 4. Languishing 5. Rainbow X. Anytime You Need a Friend Too easy. Gimme gimme more, gimme more, gimme gimme more. (Friday 26 September 2014; 17:23)

Single choices (46,970) by Kyle from USA Mariah said herself that "Cry" is her favorite single but she knows it's not a radio hit. I disagree. I think "Cry" is excatly what she needs to put out. Every once in a while, a slow heart wrenching ballad works. Who ever is the final decision maker of her single choices the last few albums needs to be terminated immediately. "#Beautiful" was the right lead single for this album, but it should have been followed up with "Thirsty". "Cry" should have been third and then a wind down single of "You Don't Know What To Do". Same thing with MOAIA. You don't drop "Obsessed" and then follow up with "I Want To Know What Love Is". That is a great vocal but definitely should not have been the second single choice. I wonder if Mariah has any say in singles or if it is a constant battle with music industry executives that still think they know what's "hot" for radio? (Friday 26 September 2014; 16:33)

RJJ12 / The Roof (46,967) by Stacey from USA Thanks for the compliments. My excuse for not posting a ton? Kids, lol. Anyway, that video you posted is my favorite version of The Roof. It's often on my playlist over the original. And the video? One of her best. I've often been quite critical of MC in recent years in regards to her videos. The video for The Roof tells a story. It's not simply MC running around in a bathing suit or nothing at all, ala You're Mine. That concept is old. Her videos during the Butterfly era were and still are some of her best. (Friday 26 September 2014; 9:24)

Mariah appreciation (46,966) by Jono from USA I just want to take a moment to appreciate Mariah and what she has given us the past 25 years. It's always been about the music, the writing, and the voice. No gimmicks. Even at this age when she should all but be pushed aside to Adult Contemporary, she still manages to make it fresh. Unlike another certain ahem "artist" (or a couple), that resort to cheap tricks like, well, showing off their assets. (Friday 26 September 2014; 6:38)

Missing members / The Roof video rare remix (46,965) by 123 from USA Stacey, Clueey, and Randy, where have you all been? I miss your posts. When I first started reading this board your posts were the ones I gravitated towards, along with Stephen-UK and both Nikki's. Someone was saying they didn't like The Roof video, I was in complete shock. It's her best if not one of her best videos. All the videos from that album were good. I like that she wasn't starring into the camera trying to be sexy for 3 minutes. Riding in the limo while reliving that night on the roof, the primping in the mirror, the great styling and those Sergio jeans (I miss that). The need to stand through the roof of the car to get wet to help her relive that rainy night on the roof top. I love when she plays out her legendary lyrics in a video. Speaking of the song, have anyone heard the remix that removes the classic piano loop and replaces it with music as intoxicating as the original? If anyone has a second, please listen and let me know what you think? [Webmaster: The Full Crew Radio Edit with No Rap is not rare at all, it's on almost every single release.] (Friday 26 September 2014; 2:00)

Listing lazily to the left (46,964) by Andrew from UK List people list. Rage against the machine. 1. "I would shower you with love and drown within your soul." 2. "Still I feel like a child as I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon." 3. "And I, truly inspired, finding my soul there in your eyes." 4. "And after all these years of enmity, envy and years, it's a shame you don't know me at all." 5. "Thunder precedes the sunlight, so I'll be alright." UK bonus track. "No no no no no no, don't worry, don't you ever fear, I'm by your side, don't worry, don't ever be lonely, it's alright." Shakespeare in song. The title of the list is your to make. Doesn't have to be boring. Right? artyn, you are awesome as you are passionate. And the rest of you, list. List against the machine. "I don't care if I keep saying it over and over." I may hate a lot of your comments. Love is. (Friday 26 September 2014; 1:38)

Lists (46,963) by Stacey from USA It ain't that deep. Bill from the UK wins the "best comment of the day" award. (Thursday 25 September 2014; 23:36)

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