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Re selling out/using her music to brand (44,719) by PJW from The U.K. In response to recent comments stating she isn't using this drink as promo for her music and that she's never allowed her music to be used in commercials etc, both are untrue. Butterfly drink comes with content linking you to album promo and the "You're mine (eternal)" video and I read that an advertising campaign will follow using "Thirsty". With regards to selling her songs for commercials, she's done so internationally throughout her career and publishing allows her music to be used on any random programme. Only the other day I heard "Hero" being used on quite a crass tv show. Advertising wise, have the Intel commercials been forgotten so quickly where she sat in the library singing "Mine again". Or "Love story" for MTV? Similarly, although she wrote new material for it, she had the Pepsi deal with "Time of your life" and other ringtones and also "Misty moon" for that Japanese tea company in '02 or '03. Don't believe Mariah doesn't use her music for financial gain outside of record sales, she's done her fair share. (Friday 13 June 2014; 14:31)

Re: "selling out" (44,718) by jaker20 from US Let's put things in perspective. The last 5 years her main sources of income have been nail-polish, beauty products, questionable live engagements with heads of state/dictators, and a gig with Idol she didn't even like. This beverage is an extension of it. Her music is not selling anymore, and these last two weeks, we got that message loud and clear in an embarrassing way. She is not Madonna who parlay album releases into $250 million grossing concerts. In fact, she's not Madonna who still sell 2 million per album worldwide (isn't that an interesting development these last 5 years?). These are facts. Now for my opinion: I think MC is destroying her legacy. With each passing album release, she's becoming a laughing stock. And to the person who said at least she's "not endorsing a FIAT, ice cream, or Adidas". Well, let's put it this way: they're not calling her. These companies shell millions for "artists" who who will be good ambassadors to their products. Her album is not selling, and from her YouTube hits from new performances, she's not engaging audiences either. So how can she sell these products? People don't seem to like her as a person these days, and this includes many of her fans who didn't buy the album and were repulsed by this new beverage. I mean look at this forum, in the many years of posting here I've never seen this many fans this negative about her. It's not surprising. MC is in a fast moving downward spiral. Some just don't want to admit it. (Friday 13 June 2014; 11:49)

MC, new album, promoting (44,717) by Gilles from Malta I did 5 years at the university studying business. Regarding Mariah Carey you have to understand one single thing. Promoting and marketing ask for a lot of money. Regarding the beverage it is a marketing launch to get money, promotion will be on its way. Mariah is one of most famous artist in the world, so for the music industry it is an image to use to get a lot without spending a lot (yes Mariah has to be a clown and the music industry the leader). As the sales are not massive (but I'm sure that if illegal downloads would be taken in consideration she would be a great winner, because more you are famous, the easier it is) they are marketing her. If this doesn't work, they won't do anything else. It is not Mariah's fault but now making business in the music industry if you have not a lot of support of fans or commercial you are f****. (Friday 13 June 2014; 11:02)

Nikki (44,715) by 123 from USA Nikki, Enwar and I are at the bar right now and we love your post and just love you in general. No splashes are being had right now. (Friday 13 June 2014; 6:53)

Oh. Em. Gee. (44,714) by Jay from USA I don't understand why some people are in a tizzy about this Butterfly water/drink. It's obvious she is not using it to promote her music (other than placing the album on the table at the press confress). If she wanted to promote her music and new album, she would go on talk/radio shows and play music, or at least talk about it. I believe there is a bigger picture that we are all missing, mostly because none of us are in the industry. There has to be something behind the scenes at the record company. Maybe I am a bit naive but I believe the smear campaign that started in the Charmbracelet era is still going strong or reignited. It's not like she isn't putting herself out there. She still comes out in magazines (whether postive or not its still publicity), people are still talking about her. How many other artists from the 90's are people still talking about? The media talked about Whitney (RIP) but it was negative with her addiction and such. She is still getting her name out there. Let's just all come down and buy Butterfly, or don't buy it and move on with your life. I doubt she needs any more of your money if you don't want to spend it on her. She's doing just fine without it. I'll keep on supporting her because she keeps putting music that I like and enjoy. (Friday 13 June 2014; 4:01)

Re selling out (44,713) by TR from USA I won't say she's selling out, but MC is being a tad hypocritical. I distinctly remember her saying after Virgin dropped her that she'd never do anything for a "monetary moment" again, and that's not only what happened with Idol, I feel like it's whats going on with this "beverage" (or maybe not - nothing about this move makes sense to me). I, too, am not happy about the neglect (for whatever reason) of this album. She spent all this time "slow cooking" and going back into the studio for finishing touches, and doesn't even give us the lyrics? She did more promo pre-release on Instagram than she's done post-release. I'm not at all convinced that what's going on there is her fault. I lay the blame on Def Jam. And I need Jermaine to get off twitter with these open letters and write a frigging promo schedule. Do that. We need to see something pronto. Also, the dahlings and ultradivaness have been on my nerves since 2008. She's ostracizing whatever's left of her straight male fanbase. Like everybody else is saying, she's too unrelatable and is starting to walk the way of Michael Jackson with the regressed maturity. And it's just not as funny as she thinks it is. It's long past time to put that and "being insecure" to rest. Hire a writer to script you some scenes as a legendary talent and grown woman with 24-years of business savvy. We know how much you love to act. Lastly, I'm all the way on board with the #JusticeForMeIAmMariah hashtag movement. (Friday 13 June 2014; 3:47)

Jermaine Dupri (44,712) by Ian James from Sabah, Malaysia Jermaine Dupri has got to be one of the funniest men I've ever known. So what if he wants to go down as one of the greatest producers of all times? So what if he wants to be mentioned with the greats like Berry Gordy and Clive Davis when people talk about putting out artists? Is that supposed to explain everything? (Friday 13 June 2014; 3:38)

Dani favorite song (44,711) by enwar00 from usa Faded. I am so in love and obsessed with this song that I'm constantly repeating it. It just makes me feel so good when I hear it. (Friday 13 June 2014; 3:22)

Re: Tiina and Nikki, "Selling Out" (44,709) by Isabelle from USA I don't think that Mariah is selling out with these business ventures. For me, being a sell out is to stick their name on a product that already existed and taking a check out of it. She gets involved with the development of the product, she's not the Beyonce, JLo, Katy, etc. type of artist that you see selling out to corporate companies that get their money from letting them use their music as jingles for commercial, on television and movies or the artist themselves putting companies products on their music videos. The only song that I have heard that was used as a jingle was AIWFCIY, but isn't all of Christmas music used for that? Plus, you don't see Mariah's music being used on television or films because she doesn't want her music to be just known for those things, that's why Glee isn't able to sing an original Mariah song, so they have to go around it and do a cover of Mariah cover song. Mariah has done deals with some brand companies like Pepsi, Pinko and Jenny Craig, but she used Jenny to inform the public about Women's Heart Disease. (Friday 13 June 2014; 2:20)

"Selling out" (44,707) by nikki from usa Selling out is when you do something against your own grain for sheer profit. After 17 years of music Mariah decided to pick up a few hobbies that went hand and hand with her music career. It makes sense she'd want another creative outlet. The woman is a girly girl with 500 hours of beauty school, so you can't say things like perfume, makeup, and boots aren't interests. They aren't only interests, but things that go along with the music industry she's involved with anyway. Beauty is a part of that. You can't even say this "beverage" is selling out because the sole purpose is to get closer to the fans. She's being innovative and pioneering new ways to connect. If this was done for just money, it wouldn't be with a company that's not established, still up and coming, and only available to just 2 locations. Mariah's not selling out because everything comes back to her music and the fans. When MC starts endorsing a FIAT, ice cream, or Adidas then you can pick up your stones and throw. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 23:46)

PJW you are so right (44,706) by Anonymous from Thank you so much for really understanding. People think that we say this because Mariah is in the struggle. No I've been feeling this way before this album, before all of this. The illuminati is more than just music, it's in every form of media and clothing and politics in everything. I'm proud of Mariah right now for not being part of that mess. The reason why the world will go down is because people won't open there eyes and see. And yes Michael Jackson talked about it all the time. Wake up guys. Think about it. Not only Mariah had issues but Michael Jackson too. He was not crazy. And Tommy Mattola was part of it to and the whole Sony thing. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 22:16)

Edward (44,705) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I was being sarcastic back lol. Perhaps, I should have added in a lol. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 21:13)

Should I laugh or cry (44,703) by Carol from Spain I don't know if I cry or laugh at your comments. From the webmaster, that is the perfect example of a fox in a lamb's skin, to you others sticking with him. Mariah is a music artist first, I agree. It took 5 years for this album to be complete. I agree. Not much promotion, I agree. Now, is it necessary to undermine evrything she ventures in? I mean, along with the drink, she's creating her own social network that can be used for promotion in the future. Are you all so concerned with numbers and chart positions you don't see anything else in front of your nose? It's pathetic. Not only you're calling Mariah a flop constantly, attacking her manager, her looks, her business ventures, you're not helping basically. The music is good, enjoy it and be thankful for it. And the part about condoms, why not ? Practice safe sex, it's always a good advice, especially these days. it would be cool I think. Besides, the time for focusing your money only on music is over a long long time ago, all artists risk businesses so, why should she be different? If this page is so concerned she is focusing on other things, different from music, why post all the news about those businesses. Be consistent with what you preach I guess. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 20:50)

Joe (44,702) by Edward from USA Joe, in the middle of all this mess, we have to laugh a little. At this point most of us have expressed our frustrations about what's going on with Mariah and the promotion for this great body of work. I'm one of her remaining fans, but I'm not buying a pink bottled water, even it is brought to my door. I would say: Thank you, I'm not "Thirsty". Most likely by the time Mariah is in shape for the YDKWTD video, the album will be out of the Hot 200. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 20:42)

Samples (44,701) by PJW from The U.K. Clueey, this is regarding one of your posts again. Lol. You spoke about Mariah using Eddie Kendrick's sample and it reminded me that one of the things I've really appreciated about Mariah's music over the years is her use of incredible samples and the music it's opened me up to that I might never have heard, aswell as always marvelling at how well (I think) they've been used. A lot of non fans don't agree but I've always appreciated and seen the beauty in both. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 20:23)

Lol moment (44,700) by Me. I am Carly from USA Super cute moment today, when trying to send back the regular deluxe version of MIAM to Target, so I could get the correct Target version with the America The Beautiful track. I gave the UPS guy (he was in his twenties or thirties) the CD and he says to me "What you don't like Mariah?" Hilarious I had to explain that she has three versions and I simply was sent the wrong one. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 20:04)

YDKWTD, Meteorite, or MILG (44,699) by B from USA Mariah, JD, and Island/Def Jam need to release one of those three songs to radio with a Clear Channel deal, a video, and line up performances/interviews on Fallon and/or Ellen. Shaking my head at this diva sized debacle. What is going on? (Thursday 12 June 2014; 19:57)

Talking of Mariah's sexiness (44,697) by PJW from The U.K. I'll tell you when she really was: at the end of the "Touch my body" video in the jeans and brown t-shirt. Phwoar. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 18:05)

Re. Edward Butterfly and Unicorn water (44,696) by Joe from United Kingdom I literally burst out laughing at your post. I just keep imagining a cheesy commercial of someone in awe of the pink yet lavender butterflies flying out of the bottle. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 17:59)

#JusticeForMeIAmMariah (44,695) by Miguel from México We all should tweet that. Lol. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 17:57)

Favorite song off the album? (44,694) by Dani from USA Mine has got to be YDKWTD. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel it's very reminiscent of I Feel It and Sprung. There's a timelessness to the song and yet it's also very catchy. Thirsty is also growing on me, to be quite honest. I can almost picture a story behind it or even a music video. Maybe four different Mariah's surrounding a playboy type of character. One would appear consecutively with each refrain, "Uhhh, you're thirsty." Kind of the same effect that was on "Don't Stop (Funkin' 4 Jamaica)". Then a hologram of Rich Homie Quan above the playboy would pop up with the future-ish backing vocals. I can also see a slowmo close-up during the outro of the song with MC throwing champagne into the playboy's face. Oh man. Maybe I put a lot of thought into it. Hahahaha. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 17:45)

Stephen / the Butterfly beverage (44,693) by Edward from USA Stephen, did you really think I bought the Butterfly Water? It seems to be my sarcasm is not coming across in some of my posts. I love Mariah's music, and I've had some of her tour stuff, but none of the other stuff like perfumes, waters, panties, and other nonsense. I am happy with the music on MIAMTEC, but very disappointed with the .essthis has been. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 17:10)

#Thanksmariah (44,692) by Me. I am Carly from USA In five minutes lambs internationally will tweet #ThanksMariah. If you still qualify do your part. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 15:56)

I can't wait (44,691) by Dan from US To hear what is really going on with this album behind the scenes, maybe she actually didn't finish tracks that she thought would be hits and knew it was the dropping ball she had to release something for us lambs and the public before she got bashed some more hahah. I mean you never know it could be re released part two lol, Me I Am Mariah Part II. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 15:01)

Betcha gon know / Cluey (44,690) by PJW from The U.K. In response to your post about BGK: I agree on both your points. R. Kelly is a fantastic musician, lyricists and has a beautiful voice. Mariah is an RnB artist through and through and that's exactly the way I like her. My fav tracks are her RnB ones, whatever vocal spectacular she may pull on others. But him on this, I don't get it. As someone else said, his verses doesn't make sense to what she's talking about. There's no response as in on "How much" with Usher, instead his statement about a completely unrelated event. Then there's the poor copy and paste esque insertion of his vocals and the odd fact that she didn't remove the intro to the song referencing her last album or the "to be continued". Why not? In the same vein and referencing an old post of mine, I was disappointed to see they kept the drink pouring in "It's a wrap". Perhaps in that and "Thirsty" they're pouring Butterfly. (Thursday 12 June 2014; 12:50)

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