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Re: Kelly hateration is back up vs. backtrack (42,164) by nikki from usa From what I've heard Kelly say, it sounds like she abruptly tried to leave when Mariah needed her. Kelly makes it sound as if Mariah was intimidated by her, threatened by her talent, and wanted her to stay buried in the kick line. She wanted to leave in the '95-'96 during MC's huge Daydream period. Mariah wasn't having it. I could definitely see MC freaking out when she has promotional touring and then live touring to do, and one of her backup singers wants to bow out in the middle of that. Mariah doesn't allow just anyone to be her backup. They have to be as talented as she is and I'd imagine that would be hard to replace on short notice. Trey Lorenz has been her backup forever and she had no problem with him getting a record deal, she even wrote a song for him to sing. And what of Kelly's sister? If MC wanted her in the background so bad, then why on earth would she display the Price sisters (taking them by the hand to the front of the stage, no less) on her concert specials? I'm wondering if that's why Mariah prefers to use vocals from a backtrack instead of live back up singers these days. It's cheaper and you can count on it to be there. I've seen MC live many times and use a backtrack for background vocals while she sings live lead pretty frequently. Just as often, I've seen folks confuse this with "lipsyncing" and assuming it's a pre-recorded track. (Monday 17 March 2014; 1:06)

Mariah's management and voice (42,163) by ADAM from USA I really miss the days when MC's was armed with a solid team who made sure she was scheduled heavily for radio and TV performances, not this sloppy hit and miss team she's had for years. Ever since she let Rachel join her professional team and JD, Randy and other non managerial experienced members of her friends track her career, it's been hell. I don't know why she let Benny Medina go, when he was the best thing that's happened to her career in a long time. I also wish she would stop lip syncing performances and get her reputation back to good standing. Although she's made an impressive career for herself, I'm afraid her misfires of the 2000's will make people forget about her genuine talents. Here's hoping the album is a amazing. I do hope promotion for the CD goes much better than YME and includes a live performance with real vocals for GMA or NBC. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 23:59)

Carla / censorship on MCArchives (42,161) by Edward from USA Carla, I've been visiting this website for 16 years, and only those who have used obscene words have been censored here. It is not fair for you to say that there is only democracy for some here when in fact the Eric(webmaster) has always been very fair. Words like "sh^t", "f^ck" and their derivatives, when written as we know them, have always been edited out or censored here, regardless the nature of the post. And according to the rules, if you're comments towards others here are insulting, your post will also be edited out or censored. I'm not accusing you using profanity on the messageboard. These are just my humble observations. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 23:26)

Torn but I'm still in MC (42,160) by Randy from USA I completely agree that MCs voice, recent releases and interviews has left something to be desired. I will say though that the criticism on this board has been way too harsh as well. I want Mariah to sound good live without lip syncing any part of a song and I want Mariah to release music that the general public (not just the lambily) will like. I do think we could ease up just a bit. Two more things. Everytime I see that clip of Kelly Price it makes my blood boil. Partially because it's true but how classless is it for you to criticize someone who gave you a chance. One should keep those comments to themselves. I could say some really mean things about Kelly but I'm sure the webmaster wouldn't post them. In addition, am I the only one nervous with the silence? May 6? Seems like it ain't gonna happen. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 22:36)

Divided opinions / re: Marrissa (42,158) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia Marissa: If you are speaking from your own perspective then you should've used the words "I" and "I've" instead of "we" or "we're", because it certainly comes across as general. Also as much as I diasgreed with some of your opinions and as ridiculous as I found some of your claims; my purpose in responding wasn't to change your mind on anything. Were you trying to change people's opinion by constantly voicing yours? My purpose is to merely voice my opinion on what's being discussed and I have every right to agree or disagree with an argument anyone brings to the table here. If you have an issue with someone challenging or disagreeing with your opinions, then perhaps posting them on a public forum isn't for you. As for "belittling" or "stooping down", its too late, you've already acomplished those feats when you "belittled" Mariah's lastest efforts just because you didn't care for them. I truly don't understand the logic in using Ariana Grande (or any other female artist) to bring Mariah down by comparing her in a less than way. I don't respect it because it serves no progressive purpose. It's my belief that Mariah is an incomparable artist, and should only be compared to herself. "Honey" and "Sweetie" are terms of endearment, no shade was intended. Did I forget anything? Going back: my issue was never with you disliking her new songs. I just wanted to express that as fan since 1990 that remembers hearing Vision Of Love when it first came out and being blown out that water, that even I don't feel "slapped in the face" by the lastest effort, because I see that she's really trying to please us and give us something great. "It is what it is" whether you appreciate it or not. Lastly: When I agreed to disagree in my last post, it meant "let's put this to rest you're free to continue to believe what you will, and I will certainly do the same". So in the vain of that let's move on, no fault no harm. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 20:17)

Ariana Grande, my two cents (42,157) by Terna from Nigeria There is only one Mariah Carey. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 19:27)

Marissa (42,156) by 123 from USA I have to address your posts because they are filled with inaccuracies. Mariah is not insecure towards new singers, however she is annoyed one artist's team is using her name, fame, and incomparable level of talent to describe someone who is supposed to be new. Mariah has praised Kelly Clarkson, Beyonce, and Rihanna all who are far more successful than Ariana and who are more of "threat" at breaking Mariah's records, especially Rihanna's string of number ones. Mariah may have access to the whistle register, but she sounds nothing like Minnie, hence the term inspired. Mariah was compared to Whitney in the beginning because they have similar sounding upper belts and Mariah was put with producers Whitney worked with. Once Mariah got more control, her sound had changed from Whitney's. Why would Mariah, like you suggested, make songs like Almost Is Never Enough? She has actually already created the same song in 1993 called Never Forget You. So I ask why would she bother to make the same song she created in 1993? You say she should stop making the same sounding wbt ballads and then in the same breath you want her to re-create a song she did years ago. Play both songs side by side, tell me she wasn't ripped off. Ariana shaded Mariah by not naming her as in inspiration when asked in an interview, yet all of her YouTube videos are Mariah covers. Her producer Harmony Samuels admitted to going for the 90's Mariah sound. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 19:14)

Kelly Price (42,155) by Gerald from USA by the way of NYC I watched that entire first season of R&B Divas LA and to be honest Kelly came off as a bitter and angry person who tried to bully the other cast members. As far as her issues with MC I believe it stems from the fact that Kelly was signed to Def Jam first and once Mariah signed to the label she became the first priority rather then Kelly herself. Just my observation. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 19:02)

Ariana (42,154) by Blake from Italy While I agree with many of the negative comments I have read on this site like how the [censored] rather than focusing on displaying the gift/talent which got her where she is, uninspired hookless singles, lack of or poor promotion, general disinterest in giving anything back to her fans other than empty promises of an album that is four years over due, and [censored] from a mother of two, I must say in Mariah's defense that you can't even begin to compare Ariana with Mariah. Mariah crushes Ariana on every level. You can not compare Mariah's musicianship to Ariana's because they are not on the same planet. Mariah [censored] can out sing anyone on the radio period. Mariah's biggest mistake has been to continue singing after she got released from Virgin. If Mariah chooses to [censored] like taking care of the instrument which got her to where she is, then she should just retire and raise her children in a healthy environment. But please stop making absurd comparisons between she and these mediocre artists it's just plain ridiculous. [censored] (Sunday 16 March 2014; 16:42)

Why am I censored? (42,153) by Carol from Spain Democracy on this page only exists for some. I'm accepting everyone's opinion but apparently the webmaster puts censored in my comments because he can't take mine. It looks like I cursed at someone here. Opinions are worth for what they are and I'm not buying fights with anyone, simply because we think differently about what being a fan should be. Like Mariah says, "They can say anything they want to say." (Sunday 16 March 2014; 12:09)

Respect (42,151) by Douglas Smith from Usa The lambs are mixed on the recent songs. I am too but to put others down is childish. I am tired of reading about Ariana here. Go to her fan board if you must. Ariana is inspired by Mariah of course. Not everyone has to like everything all of the time to be a fan. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 10:59)

Hating (42,150) by Chicago Lamb from USA Kelly is a liar. Even after she left Mariah as backup, Mariah humbly featured her as a guest artist on the "Through the rain" remix off Charmbracelet. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 6:06)

Billboard poll for most excited to hear (42,149) by G.G. from USA Go vote for MC. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 3:36)

You're Mine remixes (42,148) by NYHotShotta from USA I'm still waiting for some legendary resung dance remixes by Mariah. I think her last good resung dance remixes were the David Morales remixes of It's like That. I like the beat on the You're Mine (...) remix but I was hoping she'd go in the studio and re-record the remixes with Maryanne, Taketha, Sherri, and Trey doing background vocals. Hopefully, she'll do so with the next single. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 3:07)

Just an observation (42,142) by Marissa from USA I've been reading some of the messages on here and it's sad to me that people take differing opinions so personally that they feel the need to give a counterargument to everything someone says. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Challenging/arguing with someone's preferences are not going to change them. It really just ends up becoming a battle of the egos. If you see that someone believes something different then you, why not just let it go or try to understand the logic behind what they feel instead of just writing them off as crazy, not a true lamb, ignorant, etc? I don't go toe-to-toe with everyone who likes the past 3 singles just because I don't. It's not worth it because it's not personal. Some people just can't handle that not everyone is going to rally around their opinion. (Sunday 16 March 2014; 0:46)

Standing my ground (42,141) by Carol from Spain I don't expect people to agree with me or my views on Mariah's artistry but I keep my ground: no one here has the right to tell Mariah how to sing, how to behave in public. You don't like a song, ok your business, but it's your job as fan to support the artist no matter what or don't cal yourself fans. The fanbase is devided and the US fans don't exist so, even if this album gets a 5 star review I can bet fans won't bother to buy it and I'm sure 90% of them will find flaws on the cover, on the lyrics, on the melodies, on everything. I personally choose to see her artistry and her amazing ability to create a song and appreciate the hardwork and her dedication to her work. This is not being delusional, this is what a fan does: supports. Unfortunally, not everyone agrees. And someone answered me that he/she was an expert on what you like. Well you're not a music expert to judge her. If you choose to buy the songs that are on the tops and forget to appreciate the obscure songs that's your business but don't come and tell me that's what a fan does. [censored] (Saturday 15 March 2014; 23:45)

Mimi L (42,140) by Tiina from Finland Wow, you're really something. You know what, think whatever you want. You just have to be right, don't you? Fine, be right. No wonder you're constantly fighting here, I mean with your attitude. Have you noticed? BecauseI have. I will leave you out from any of my future postings, so don't bother replying to me either, thanks. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 22:36)

Memoirs (42,139) by Tiina from Finland I absolutely loved Memoirs when it came out and listened to it on repeat. I still remember I was on a holiday in London when Obsessed came out and I remember listening to it in my hotel room all excited. I also remember H.A.T.E.U. particularly, that song actually helped me during my depression. Anyway, since Mariah is putting out a new studio album, I listened to Memoirs from beginning to end and I hadn't listened to it in a long time like that because lately I've been obsessing about Daydream. I always have a phase of listening to a certain album from her and then it's like all I listen to. Anyway, I was quickly reminded how much I love Memoirs and what a beautiful album it is. There's a perfect flow in that one and every song is worth listening to. That's how it is. Mariah makes beautiful albums. But people don't listen to albums anymore, it's sad. It's all about singles. Mariah is a beast in the studio and she tells beautiful stories but people miss out because they're not listening to the whole thing. Like she's been talking about the upcoming album: it's a journey. One single is only one moment of that journey. I'm really curious and excited to hear her new album and I know all these singles will make sense on the album. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 22:28)

Tiina (42,138) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Darling, I think you read my post wrong, I didn't twist your words. If you would read closely, I used the phrase "or just for the sake of argument let's say" Mariah "totally ripped off" the other singers. I said that to make a point. I don't think in any part of my message I wrote you said it. So please maybe read it again to see for yourself. I just meant "let's assume she totally ripped the others off". I'm very much aware that you meant she was inspired. Mariah has been owning her style since the very first song she ever released, whether it has been inspired by people she look up to or not. She definitely takes inspirations but always inserts her own creativity. I don't think there is a single song where people can say "oh MC totally ripped off Whitney or Aretha or whatever". Nope, I'll just say this again, taking inspiration is one thing, ripping off is another. MC has been doing the former, Ariana the latter. Whether Ariana grows out of it, will be seen in future, I'm talking about the present sweetheart, and the truth is quite "in your face". And also, I said this before, I'll say it again, hey atleast Mariah acknowledges her influences, unlike Miss Grande who keeps denying her songs are influenced by Mariah, when they quite blatantly. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 21:58)

TMB made me a lamb / the lambily (42,137) by Tiina from Finland I became a lamb when I heard Touch My Body. Before that, I had been listening and watching Mariah's live performances on YouTube. Slowly but surely I became obsessed. But when I heard Touch My Body and saw the video, I was sold. I loved the humour both in that song and video and I realized Mariah was in on the diva joke, I mean, she was making fun of herself and that was cool and funny. She was so talented and beautiful and had a sense of humour too, and that's when I turned into a lamb. So, it doesn't always need to be a very strong vocal moment that can make a person a lamb. In the beginning I mainly listened to her new stuff. I love her whispery vocals, always have and it took me some time to like the older stuff because it seemed to me she only sang ballads. Now I love it all, every album, every era. Mariah has raised my expectations for vocal quality in other people's work and also my own. And I'm kinda sad to say this but when I joined the lambily, I noticed the negativity right away. I think it's really sad that the lambs are constantly fighting each other and have for years. I'm a huge fan of Marilyn Monroe and in the MM community, it's pretty much all loving and accepting, we're strongly united there. I'm proud to be a lamb and I wish we could all respect each other and remain united, even if we have different opinions. Heck, the lambs were here before the monsters and others, we should show them lol. But we only can as united. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 21:48)

Opinions on Mariah (42,136) by nathan from USA I have been visiting MCArchives since 2003 and have been reading the messageboard for awhile now. I do believe everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. But then I notice that if someone doesn't like something, they act like it's the end of the world. The energy needs to be reversed and let us all be more respectful and optimistic on this era. Let the thumbs up or thumbs down things be of use. I do hope people just ignore the negativity and let's just hope for a great album on May, that is, if there's no more pushing back. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 21:31)

Mimi L (42,135) by Tiina from Finland I didn't say Mariah is ripping off anyone. Sorry but you twisted my words and didn't understand my point. Honey, I love this woman and I have the ultimate respect for her artistry. She has a spectacular catalogue of music, which I listen to constantly and collect on vinyl, cassette, cd, you name it, and I love it so much. Mariah is her own artist and truly unique. But my point was that everyone is inspired by someone. Everyone borrows in music, everyone, period. I gave you examples of Mariah's wonderful songs that were inspired by other artists. Did she make them her own? Of course. But the point was that she was inspired by these artists and borrowed their flavour which she added and blended into her own thing and made some outstanding, original music. That was never my issue. Of course Mariah has her own thing. My issue is people ganging up on Ariana and saying she's just a copycat. Fine, ok, everyone can think however they like. It's just that every artist borrows stuff, even Mariah. And it's normal and that's how you create your own sound. Perhaps Ariana will evolve just like Mariah did evolve past the comparisons to Whitney and mixed more of her other influences in her music. Peace out (Saturday 15 March 2014; 21:11)

United we stand, divided we fall (42,134) by Marissa from USA Lamb_O_Chop, I never once said or implied that my opinion is a universal truth for the lambs. I am speaking from my perspective. I have loved every album MC has ever made except Memoirs. I listen to her multiple times a day because she has a body of work that is unmatched. That being said, my opinion about her recent music isn't going to change regardless of how many times you call me honey or sweetie. It would be nice if you focused solely on the points I'm making instead of trying to belittle me with pet names because I have a differing opinion. I also refuse to stoop down to the level of calling people's opinions laughable just to try to strengthen my perspective. I'm grown enough to state my opinion without the elitist attitude. I think the unity within the "lambily" is at an all time low. By unity I don't mean everyone having the same opinions, but everyone respecting others opinions and remembering that we are all lambs because we have a common love for MC. Some of her songs have touched our lives. It doesn't mean we have to like every era, song or no other artists except the ones MC likes. I also think the whole "if you don't like MC join another fanbase" thing is a bit much. Just like in a marriage, just because you aren't happy with a particular period doesn't mean you're going to run and get a divorce. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 20:06)

Mariah (42,133) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I won't get into any arguments but I would like to point out that saying Mariah is making the same song again and again is not true. Triumphant (albeit hated by most, but I like it) is an upbeat hip hop infused motivational song, #Beautiful a fresh, throwback sound with the vocals against an amazing guitar riffs. TAOLG a raw song, letting her voice take the spotlight and not over produced. Then comes YME, a sweet RnB love ballad, which starts of cutesy, has a hypnotic feel and then ends with some power vocals. I don't know which songs you all have been listening to, but the fact that the 4 released songs that were meant for her new album are completely different from each other just shows that Mariah really has been cooking up different songs for the upcoming album. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 19:50)

Memoirs (42,132) by Bill from the UK Personally the tracks we've had from the new album so far have all been better than the filler from Memoirs. The only songs I listen to are Betcha Gon Know, HATEU, Ribbon, It's A Wrap and IWTKWLI. The rest? Meh. Beautiful, TAOLG and to a lesser extend YME have all excited me more. (Saturday 15 March 2014; 19:35)

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