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Billy from Greece (40,153) by Licia from USA I have no idea where I got this pic from, but if you want to leave your email, I will send it to you. (Monday 9 December 2013; 23:20)

Mariah's voice (40,151) by Manny from U.S. With critical fans like the ones in this messageboard, Mariah does not need enemies. First of all, I'm not making excuse for her. There have been many singers that have problems with their voices (i.e. Julie Andrews, Whitney Houston, Steven Tyler, Shania Twain). Some people say she does not take care of her voice because she drinks. You guys make her out to be an alcoholic. Other people say she doesn't warm up or is more concerned about her looks. It can be other reasons we don't know about. There might me emotional reasons that might have to do with her voice's condition. When Shania Twain was on Oprah, she mentioned she was hiking through a hard part of her life and she couldn't sing. I just feel some fans are being really negative. She already said she does have nodules. Let's get more educated on what those are instead making Mariah out to be like a failure, mess, or has been. We should support her and be more positive. (Monday 9 December 2013; 23:00)

DC performance (40,150) by Stacey from USA What this performance proves is Mariah is human. Some days she is on, sounding great, and some days she is off. This was an off night. I'm sure haters will drag this out. But if anyone can bounce back, it's MC, especially during her favorite time of year: Christmas. I mean if the haters want to keep it going, all we have to do is play that impromptu performance on Fallon. (Monday 9 December 2013; 22:59)

Grammys (40,149) by Jeanette from USA I'm watching some of these older Grammys shows on YouTube and it amazed me that Whitney Houston and Celine Dion both have album of the year but Mariah Carey doesn't. The Grammys did Mariah dirty and she deserves to have at least won album of the year for Music Box or Daydream or even The Emancipation Of Mimi. What are your guy's thoughts? (Monday 9 December 2013; 22:30)

Tree lighting ceremony (40,148) by Ryan from Canada IMO this performance wasn't great but it wasn't as bad as reading this board makes it sound like it was. She sang well most of the song. It was the break in her high note at the end that sounded awful. Obviously it caught her with as much surprise as it did us. I'm sure she will rest her voice and sound fantastic for the New Year show. (Monday 9 December 2013; 20:42)

I could have done better (40,147) by Joyce from USA It seem like there is more physical exertion in singing these days than before. Her body posture, facial expression looks so strenuous. That is how I can tell when she is really singing live. When she lips, she has an easier time to focus on her appearance in her performance. My opinion is she really doesn’t get those vocal chords a workout as she use to. Though, she is much better than the time she tried to sing "I want to know what love is" on one of those morning shows in 2009. She needs a serious vocal work out. Celine, Barbra Striesand even Donna Summer before she died are older than MC and sound great. Before some fanatic says not to compare, know that I am not. I'm saying that age does not deteriorate vocals at MC young age or at least so drastically except if you don't use them enough. (Monday 9 December 2013; 20:12)

Get a grip (40,146) by Zachary from Croatia You guys crack me up. Career over? Mariah's voice is over? Please. What do you fucking expect, that she is a voice robot with a coin slit to put and to make her perform flawless? Please. I am ashamed of some of you. (Monday 9 December 2013; 19:18)

Mariah is not pefect (40,145) by Brad Catoe from United States Also the New York performance was really amazing. I was impressed, especially with how cold it was. Sometimes this board get really critical and hateful. Mariah's career over with? I don't think so. I hope she doesn't read this board because I think there are way more lambs than not who think she sounds fabulous. Does anybody remember her performance of AIWFCIY last year in New York? I thought it was one of the best in her career. I think it's human nature to see the negative in things. Also people who have negative things are mire vocal by nature. I hope Mariah knows that there are many who still love her voice. I have a friend who always says Mariah on her worst day sounds better than anyone else out there and I agree. I'm just glad at this point in her career she is still invited all over the world to sing. (Monday 9 December 2013; 17:29)

Re: Licia (40,144) by Billy from Greece Hi there. Could please let me know where you got your profile photo from? It's awesome! (Monday 9 December 2013; 15:57)

Re: Paul (40,143) by Billy from Greece "O come all ye faithful" Christmas in Washington 2010 was fucking epically fantastic. What wrong did you find in that performance? (Monday 9 December 2013; 15:32)

It was a rough performance (DC tree lighting) (40,142) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada No denying that, but as Licia said, she knows it was not her finest hour. What's done is done. I'm positive she feels bad about it and is embarrassed. I think talk of retirement is taking things too far. True, she's not 1990 Mariah anymore, but I disagree that The Rockefeller Center performance can also be considered rough. I thought she was fantastic, and she's still one of the only singers on the planet who can sound like a studio recording or better live (when her vocal is on point). (Monday 9 December 2013; 15:23)

Jaker20 (40,141) by Licia from USA It's easy for you to say she needs to stay away from singing older songs, but you and I both know she can't do that. She not only has to find ways to bring in new fans, but she still has to somehow appease the older fans as well. I enjoy when she breaks out the old stuff. When she doesn't try to sing like 20 year old Mariah and adjusts the songs to where 43 year old Mariah with her current vocal state can sing, she does a great job. Anyway that last performance was bad. I have no idea what went wrong. I'm not going to pretend to know or assume anything. Nobody knows whether she drank before the performance. All these theories are pointless unless you were. It was just bad and she knows it was bad. End of story. (Monday 9 December 2013; 14:52)

MC still rocks! (40,140) by Lainsky from Philippines After watching those performances of JTTW and AIWFCIY at the Rockefeller Christmas tree lighting, I can say that Mariah still rocks it. So to all who are saying that her voice and music career is over, I guess you have to wake up. For as long as the world celebrates Christmas, she will be around with these classic songs, whether live or on radio. Again, she has nothing to prove anymore for she has proven herself already thus, with or without a new album coming, she is still very much in the scene. Besides, only few artist can manage to stay that long like her in the entertainment industry and I can say that MC is still too young to retire and say "it's over". Without her, music industry will never be the same. Common guys, she's really good. Admit it. (Monday 9 December 2013; 11:25)

AIWFCIY In washington performance (40,139) by Paul from Usa I just watched the performance. I actually live in Washington and was going to take my chances and listen to go performance or possibly get in, but the weather really took a turn for the worse that day. It was about 30 degrees and damp, pouring rain all day. I wonder if that had an effect on her voice. Also I've noticed, each time Mariah performs in front of the president, or any other person she looks up to, she somehow screws up. "Chain of fools" Divas Live 98 "Medley" with Diana Ross, Divas 2000 "O come all ye faithful" Christmas in Washington 2010 And there are others. Do you guys wonder if she's just bored, and not passionate about music anymore? Everyone gets bored with their jobs, no matter how much they like it. But sometimes the stuff that comes out of her mouth is so strange and awkward (ie the end of this performance, and her latest appearance on Jimmy Fallon, HSN). I wonder what's going on through her mind sometimes. She's definitely not the same Mariah she was in her earlier days. It's great to have a bit of fun, but sometimes you need to buckle down and be a adult. I wonder if she ever watches her appearances and performances? She's lost all the special perfectionist touches. (Monday 9 December 2013; 11:17)

Retirement (40,138) by jaker20 from US I don't think retirement is the answer. The answer is for her to adapt to the new times. Adapting doesn't necessarily mean changing yourself to something you are not. Look at Christina, her Say Something collab is doing very well which is not a belt song. MC should do the same, ie expand her art, work with new artist, collaborate, and most importantly, stop singing those high notes that are so old-fashioned and makes you belt or do high notes. Sure they are "impressive" notes, sure that is her brand, but they are also corny and old fashioned. She is not the same, and she has to recognize this and rebrand herself soon, otherwise this is it for her. #Beautiful was a great start, but she and her label ruined the promo of that song. Some of you may say AIWFCIY isn't really a belt song, that's not true. Halfway through the song she sings in a higher key and it stays there. She did well with Fallon, because it's acapella and a small room. But outdoors and with a band, her voice is drowned. She needs to create new songs that support the current state of her voice. (Monday 9 December 2013; 9:39)

Yeah that performance was rough (40,137) by jaker20 from US I can't watch MC like that. I just can't. This is what I have been telling you guys all along. MC is stuck with her old fans, her old self, and her old discography. She needs new fans, new songs. Singing older songs forces her voice to a level where it isn't anymore. And she should avoid the big open air stage. It never suited her voice, even during her peak. Her voice is not the same. It's not. A few weeks ago I said why did MC sing on Idol all those oldies/medleys from 20 years ago that she can't hardly sing as well? And I got attacked. I said many times, just sing songs that is current to your voice. If she had sang #Beautiful only and only that song, it would be all live and she's not straining her voice because she arranged and composed it to her current voice state. I really think that was a turning point for her. Now she's got it in her mind that if she lips she's going to get attacked. She basically outer herself in the big stage. Basically. (Monday 9 December 2013; 9:24)

Mariah is over... for the 100th time (40,136) by Matthew from USA The thing I have learned with Mariah is this: never count her out. I can't tell you guys how many times I've done just that. She always disappoints me, and then I give up. And then I say it's over. Her voice is gone. And then of course, she pulls some amazing performance out of the bag and then she has me back again. It's like a roller coaster. So I think this time I'm just going to wait and see. Mimi performances have always been erratic. People are always counting her out. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that Mariah is over. She finished. She's done. She was done after the divorce. She was done after Glitter. She was over after E=MC2. Lol. I honestly believe she'll be doing her little thing when she is in her 60's like Patty and Aretha. Will it be the voice of a 20 year old Mariah? Nope. But as long as the music is in her, she'll keep on keeping on. It's one of the things I admire about Mimi. She perseveres. (Monday 9 December 2013; 7:52)

Do you think this is substandard? (40,135) by Billy from Greece (Monday 9 December 2013; 7:45)

AIWFC (40,134) by Chase from USA I didn't think the performance was that bad. She sounded pretty much the way she's sounded on most televised performances in the past several years. It was a fair performance. I think 2008-2009 was a really bad period for her vocally, and the National Tree Lighting was not anywhere near that level of rough. If you're expecting her to perform the way she did in the nineties, it ain't happening. Those days are long gone. I'm happy she continues to perform for us, though I do get nervous for her. (Monday 9 December 2013; 5:38)

Her voice (40,133) by Lyric from USA I'm starting to prefer lip synced performances over her singing live. The performance was dreadful and I see lambs are pulling out the ridiculous excuses. This is a woman who invests more time in perfecting her hair and wardrobe for the stage, so why would her vocals sound good if they aren't the priority? Her vibrato is practically nonexistent, her voice sounds dry and cracked, and can she really rely on the whistles any longer? People should keep their expectations of her performances low. The question now is, can Mariah's voice be rejuvenated and repaired... or is it damaged for long term? Regardless, her current standing does not tarnish her legacy and there is always a possibility than she can improve. I just hope there's change before the new album is released. (Monday 9 December 2013; 4:29)

My time with Mariah (40,132) by nikki from usa I remember the first time I met Mariah at a signing in 2002. She sang live for the Today Show and sounded great. She showed up later in the evening wearing a black evening gown. She sat down and actually took time to talk to each individual fan. The bodyguards were trying to toss people through the line to the point of man handling them. The second a fan said, "hi" to her they damn near yanked them out. Each time a guard did that Mariah called a halt and made the guard bring the fan back so she could have one on one time with each fan for a full minute. She got up a few times to give some of them hugs. I'm talking full on bear hugs too. I never pegged Mariah for a bear hugger. In the late 90's people were saying she lost her voice, but I went to her Rainbow tour and her vocals were great. Then, people complained in the early 2000's again. Until, her 2002 CB tour where everyone and their sister gushed over her vocals. Then, her voice was "shot" again. In spite of a cold, she went on with her first show in Cali for The Adventures tour and again the "horror of her voice". The following week I saw her live in Tampa and there wasn't anything wrong with her voice. It was phenomenal. She ad-libbed, talked with the fans, and sang up a storm. They should've taped it. I've seen the performances on the net, read everyone's comments, and I've heard her live in person myself enough over the years to know people will always be shocked by the resurrection of "the voice". (Monday 9 December 2013; 3:45)

Re: Marc Charles (40,131) by nikki from usa Very detailed. The only question I have is, you mentioned the deterioration over the years through MOAIA, but Merry Christmas II You had some of the best MC vocals ever. Her live performances were off the hook. Not to mention, she was pregnant. I didn't hear this last performance, but I heard the ones she did at Rockefeller and they were awesome. I loved those vocals. So, why does yet again, another performance, a couple days later change everything so drastically? Mariah's an insomniac who's a workaholic. Add kids and mix. I think it's insane to expect her to sound like she's 20. It's normal to expect some wear and tear, but the point is "some". Everyone obsesses over her less stellar performances, but ignore the good ones while they drama queen (no, I'm not referring to you here). The Carlyle performance was only last year. Her 4th of July performances was just 6 months ago and she did great at Rockefeller Center a few days ago. (Monday 9 December 2013; 3:14)

Re: Lamby from HongKong (40,130) by Terna from Nigeria Your post really struck a chord with me, kinda mirroring everything I have been feeling about her latetly. I've been a lamb since I was in my early teens and the Mariah I fell in love with is just not the one I see today. I'm losing faith in her talent and interest also. Something indeed changed her, maybe Tommy Mottola. But I also agree "he was a great filter". I recall he was even the one who encouraged her to keep "Hero" for herself. A song that can now be considered her signature song, and with Tommy still in the picture, such crap like "Triumphant" where you're featured on your own song never saw the light of day. He may have been controlling, but that man knew his job. (Monday 9 December 2013; 2:31)

It is what it is (40,129) by Will from Australia Considering Mariah did minimal promotional performances of AIWFCIY from 1995 - 2009 it's obvious that she's grasping onto the only thing that keeps her topical, which is Christmas, by committing to way too many public performances that have left her voice shattered. The tree lighting performance is the worst performance I've ever heard from her, a million times worse than MJ's memorial and I'm sad for her. But hey, she'll move on from it and so must we. Talking about retirement is ridiculous, I just watched her in Sydney less than a year ago and she was amazing and surprised me. This site is for debating so I'd wish the know it alls would just let people give their opinion without getting their backs up, let it go. (Monday 9 December 2013; 1:07)

[...] (40,128) by Tony from Ireland I agree, we are human beings and none of us is perfect. When she was about to release TAOLG, she did said that the song was written in a way that everybody could related with it. Negativity? Where? She is singing about letting the pain and bad memories go. And c'mon, all of us are grown-up and we are no longer dying to find a dream lover, or some can feel tired to give them all to somebody, as the years gone by, we all want to find the way to real love, to real emotions. I do think Mariah has been writing some of her more realistic and down to earth songs, I'm still remember how she brought me to tears with Inseparable,or how TAOLG was touching my soul in so many different ways. Mariah is a mean person. Mariah has been negative. [...] I just have to recognize how disgusted I feel knowing that some people can think like that about her. And no, I don't know her personally, but I do know what lots of artist says about her, and I do love her. Amazing voice, amazing personality, funny and she [...]. (Monday 9 December 2013; 1:00)

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